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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Soul Crusher on September 10, 2010, 10:33:24 AM
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Never forget, never forgive. sorry, i'm a lapsed catholic and don't believe in turning the other cheek.
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Damn, 9 years ago and it seems like yesterday for me.
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My flags are all flying tommorow. The DTOM flag, the Alamo Flag, the Come & Take it Flag, etc.
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I'm sure Imam Rauf & Obama really give a rats ass about this guys' family. ::) ::)
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Yeah, its friggin hologram. ::) ::)
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Never forget, never forgive. sorry, i'm a lapsed catholic and don't believe in turning the other cheek.
You're an ATHEIST having a BRAIN LAPSE is what you are and were.
Maybe you should ask yourself how is it right before the fake world trade attack so many movies surfaced revealing of the same thing
http://www.retakingamerica.com/northwoods_page_1.html OPERATION NORTHWOODS
This rap group called COUP released this album in June 2001 just over two months before September 11th
DOES ALL OF THIS SEEM LIKE A BIG COINCIDENCE???
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xcUskQ-VRTI/SNCT9wVylwI/AAAAAAAAA2k/W7BLCOa6yP0/s1600/600px-TheCoupCoverLarge%2BParty%2BMusic.jpg)
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Hahaha, you rat fucking liar. I googled that album because I just knew that post of yours was the typical bullshit propaganda. That album was released on November 6, 2001. Not "2 months before 9/11".
Another rat lie exposed. You taqiyya-spouting douche bag.
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And Slayer released God Hates Us All on that date 2. What does that have to do with anything?
Again - you are a 9/11 CT'er - what is your latest theory that stands up to 5 minutes of scrutiny?
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Hahaha, you rat fucking liar. I googled that album because I just knew that post of yours was the typical bullshit propaganda. That album was released on November 6, 2001. Not "2 months before 9/11".
Another rat lie exposed. You taqiyya-spouting douche bag.
So is he/she trying to say that those two savages had advanced knoweldge of 911?
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So is he/she trying to say that those two savages had advanced knoweldge of 911?
Samson claimed that album was released 2 months before 9/11 and a quick google search will show you that it was actually released on November 1, 2001. She is a fucking snake and a propaganda machine.
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My tolerance level for idiots on this is long gone.
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Shocker, Samson takes off the second her bullshit is exposed. How typical of the Muslim coward.
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Another Samson,240, mons,, Blacken fantasy exposed.
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Another Samson,240, mons,, Blacken fantasy exposed.
You need to stop providing facts. Holograms, aliens, shadow-governments and the like are all more plausible explanations for 9/11. ::)
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And you fucking TRAITORS support a mosque there?
Do me a favor - don't address me ever again. I'm serious.
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You need to stop providing facts. Holograms, aliens, shadow-governments and the like are all more plausible explanations for 9/11. ::)
Facts are the enemies of these fools and morons.
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I can't believe anyone would support this monstrosity of a mosque after looking at the pictures and videos of people jumping to their deaths. Innocent, American civilians so desperate to live that they flung themselves out the window of a skyscraper.
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I can't believe anyone would support this monstrosity of a mosque after looking at the pictures and videos of people jumping to their deaths. Innocent, American civilians so desperate to live that they flung themselves out the window of a skyscraper.
BF - many people get on me for my fire hot intensity on a lot of things, and you know what, everything about me and what i believe can be summed up in a lot of these photos.
After looking again at these photos and videos, I will never ever make apologies for my utter contempt and hatred for our enemies or those who apologize, explain, rationalize, or make equivocations for it.
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And you fucking TRAITORS support a mosque there?
Do me a favor - don't address me ever again. I'm serious.
Go to 47:00 in the Falling Man video.
After seeing that, how can any of you support this treason and blasphemy?
That's right, you are happy these disgusting filth will be mocking this nation, just admit it.
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More CT trash debunked.
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I will never forget.
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BF - many people get on me for my fire hot intensity on a lot of things, and you know what, everything about me and what i believe can be summed up in a lot of these photos.
After looking again at these photos and videos, I will never ever make apologies for my utter contempt and hatred for our enemies or those who apologize, explain, rationalize, or make equivocations for it.
If only more Americans shared your enthusiasm and intensity. Instead we've got opinion elites trying to shove this garbage down our throats when 71%+ of the country doesn't want it. :-\
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9.11 is the one day each year where I refuse to discuss CTs. I would hope all of getbig could do the same, but it's your prerogative of course.
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Getting back on track--tomorrow, make sure you fly your flags, pray for the country, keep your headlights on even in the daytime, etc.
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:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
And JFK was killed by a lone gunman........the USS Liberty was an accident........Operatio n NorthWoods is a lie.......MKUltra is just urban legend...........Operati on Ajax...........Mujahadee n..........Saddam Hussein...........and the laundry list of shit goes on and on.
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9.11 is the one day each year where I refuse to discuss CTs. I would hope all of getbig could do the same, but it's your prerogative of course.
LOL wtf are you talking about?
you refuse to talk CTs everyday...you make snide comments, state idiotic theories that are debunked with a 2 sec google search and then run away like nothing ever happend ::) ::) ::)
refuse to talk cts...LMAO thats a good one
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I will never forget.
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LOL wtf are you talking about?
you refuse to talk CTs everyday...you make snide comments, state idiotic theories that are debunked with a 2 sec google search and then run away like nothing ever happend ::) ::) ::)
refuse to talk cts...LMAO thats a good one
re-read my quote dude.
9.11 is the one day each year where I refuse to discuss CTs. I would hope all of getbig could do the same, but it's your prerogative of course.
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re-read my quote dude.
I read it right the first time...you refuse to discuss ct's everyday...all you do is make snide comments and throw out things that are debunked within 2 secs and then you run off...you call that discussing?
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I read it right the first time...you refuse to discuss ct's everyday...all you do is make snide comments and throw out things that are debunked within 2 secs and then you run off...you call that discussing?
i'll discuss them from time to time. i feel the birth cert issue is a legit one.
however, arguing 6 clean holes thru the pentagon, in 2010, is boring to me. I was arguing this stuff in 2005 with getbiggers. Really, i'm more interested in watching Oceans11 tonight. Then, 'the men who stare at goats' on DVD this evening.
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Yes, never forget. keep this image burned in your soul. Of course it's natural and healthy to go through a healing process whenever tragedy strikes in a persons life. At some point its good to move on rather than dwell on it constantly. but not for 9/11. When you die way down the road, you can be comforted in knowing all the countless hours you spent with 9/11 in your head, wether you wanted it or not. And I'm sure we'll still be on the endless war against terror for our entire lives too. I'm all for what needs to be done to deal with justice and setting things right, I'm just not really sure how I feel about redefining America around what happened on 9/11 which is exactly what's happened. attack away...
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Yes, never forget. keep this image burned in your soul. Of course it's natural and healthy to go through a healing process whenever tragedy strikes in a persons life. At some point its good to move on rather than dwell on it constantly. but not for 9/11. When you die way down the road, you can be comforted in knowing all the countless hours you spent with 9/11 in your head, wether you wanted it or not. And I'm sure we'll still be on the endless war against terror for our entire lives too. I'm all for what needs to be done to deal with justice and setting things right, I'm just not really sure how I feel about redefining America around what happened on 9/11 which is exactly what's happened. attack away...
?? are you saying to forget it? moving on is one thing but forgetting is another. i suppose that is not what you are saying.
i don't see 9/11 redefining america. if america has changed it is not from 9/11 alone.
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Yes, never forget. keep this image burned in your soul. Of course it's natural and healthy to go through a healing process whenever tragedy strikes in a persons life. At some point its good to move on rather than dwell on it constantly. but not for 9/11. When you die way down the road, you can be comforted in knowing all the countless hours you spent with 9/11 in your head, wether you wanted it or not. And I'm sure we'll still be on the endless war against terror for our entire lives too. I'm all for what needs to be done to deal with justice and setting things right, I'm just not really sure how I feel about redefining America around what happened on 9/11 which is exactly what's happened. attack away...
the world changed on 9/11 for the US and its citizens or maybe the way we see the world is a better way of putting it. The way we interact with other countries and the legislation that is inacted are direct results of such and like you said it is probably never going to go back to the way it was.
Never ever forget, I still cannot watch footage or look at pictures of the towers...
I watched the commercials for the thing on the history channel and I literally get goosebumps and chills...
I dont think there will ever be enough time to make it where I am ok watching videos of that days events.
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?? are you saying to forget it? moving on is one thing but forgetting is another. i suppose that is not what you are saying.
i don't see 9/11 redefining america. if america has changed it is not from 9/11 alone.
I didn't say to forget about it, that would be stupid too. I just don't need people telling me to never forget, remember remember, asking if we've forgotten and yapping 9/11 every time I turn around. If someone was doing that to me over any other tragedy which affected me, I don't think I'd wanna be around them much lol... On some level, people need to move on, not forget but get on with their lives and certainly not let it redefine our souls and who we are. If you look at what we've done with 9/11, it's redefined what we are as a country. I always thought that's the last thing you would want to let 9/11 do or represent but that's exactly what politicians and a certain group of people have done. It's like putting the power in the hands of whoever did this shit. But that's all everyone can say in response to anybody who dares asks, they say, "everything has changed, shut up and don't forget it"
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I guess if you lived here and walked those streets, knew the buildings as real things before they were attacked, knows of the deaths, see the two holes in the ground, etc, it would take on a little different context.
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I guess if you lived here and walked those streets, knew the buildings as real things before they were attacked, knows of the deaths, see the two holes in the ground, etc, it would take on a little different context.
America is not NY. also if your saying the only reason there are other thoughts is because that person doesn't live in NY, then that really doesn't make sense looking at how the entire country has responded, been effected etc. There's people screaming to never forget who have never even been to NY.
I mean for the people who are always yelling to never forget, who do they think they're talking to? You would have to be semi-rarded and just out of a coma lasting years to have forgotton. Oh 9/11? Yea I forgot, could you remind me about what that whole thing was about lol...
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America is not NY. also if your saying the only reason there are other thoughts is because that person doesn't live in NY, then that really doesn't make sense looking at how the entire country has responded, been effected etc. There's people screaming to never forget who have never even been to NY.
I mean for the people who are always yelling to never forget, who do they think they're talking to? You would have to be semi-rarded and just out of a coma lasting years to have forgotton. Oh 9/11? Yea I forgot, could you remind me about what that whole thing was about lol...
The point is not remembering because you might actually forget, as in your brain will somehow erase the memory of 9/11 from its hard drive, no one is implying it like that. The point is to remember the lives lost, the tragedy, so that you'll always remember what led to it happening in the first place, so that hopefully you won't fall into patterns that lead to a repeat, so that you won't get so comfortable and become so naive that anyone could create a catastrophe like that again.
It's important to remember history, even history that isn't that old, it's important to know and understand the truth of that history. Living in the past, I think everyone would agree that's no way to live and as Americans, I don't think we're doing that but it is still very important to remember the reality of what happened...the mistakes of the past are always repeated when the past is forgotten.
That's how I see it.
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The point is not remembering because you might actually forget, as in your brain will somehow erase the memory of 9/11 from its hard drive, no one is implying it like that. The point is to remember the lives lost, the tragedy, so that you'll always remember what led to it happening in the first place, so that hopefully you won't fall into patterns that lead to a repeat, so that you won't get so comfortable and become so naive that anyone could create a catastrophe like that again.
It's important to remember history, even history that isn't that old, it's important to know and understand the truth of that history. Living in the past, I think everyone would agree that's no way to live and as Americans, I don't think we're doing that but it is still very important to remember the reality of what happened...the mistakes of the past are always repeated when the past is forgotten.
That's how I see it.
Great analysis. Well said.
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The point is not remembering because you might actually forget, as in your brain will somehow erase the memory of 9/11 from its hard drive, no one is implying it like that. The point is to remember the lives lost, the tragedy, so that you'll always remember what led to it happening in the first place, so that hopefully you won't fall into patterns that lead to a repeat, so that you won't get so comfortable and become so naive that anyone could create a catastrophe like that again.
It's important to remember history, even history that isn't that old, it's important to know and understand the truth of that history. Living in the past, I think everyone would agree that's no way to live and as Americans, I don't think we're doing that but it is still very important to remember the reality of what happened...the mistakes of the past are always repeated when the past is forgotten.
That's how I see it.
I don't disagree what what you're saying either. I don't think my point is getting across. I can't imagine myself thinking people should forget those who have died and I know the value of knowing history. I really don't think I need it pounded in constantly to "remember" for the reason you state. It just seems to me like there's a lot of people that have no intention of letting a healing process take place. that's not healthy for the people and the country. Of course I don't think we should just totally forget about it. It's that time of the year and I can totally understand "In memory of" But there are actually plenty of people who point fingers and shout directives towards others too. The "never forget" and "have you forgotten" is often directed at others.
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Said perfectly! This is the point Hugo.
This was one of his best speeches, short, to the point and without a bunch of filler "feel good" fluff.
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Said perfectly! This is the point Hugo.
This was one of his best speeches, short, to the point and without a bunch of filler "feel good" fluff.
Nevermind, I'll just drop it ::)
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Said perfectly! This is the point Hugo.
This was one of his best speeches, short, to the point and without a bunch of filler "feel good" fluff.
Bushes moment at GZ with the megaphone was his finest moment IMHO>
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Bushes moment at GZ with the megaphone was his finest moment IMHO>
:D great speech...
Barbara with her kids:
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:D great speech...
Barbara with her kids:
(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=32878_trimmingbushes.jpg)
Look at those ankles. Geez - they are purple.
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oh yea, bushie did a heck of a job :D
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Utterly pathetic hugo.
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To the Left...nothing is a big deal when it comes to defense, patriotism....borders etc etc. Gays, drugs, hand-outs, border jumpers...thats whats important. It all culminated in the absolute fucktard that was elected in 2008.
Most of you people have'nt suffered a fucking thing as regards these attacks. The rest of us have dragged our ass half way across the world to deal with it head on. I've spent 3 years of my life dealing directly with this shit. The people of New York have delt with it...firemen, policemen...the world has changed completely. US troops invaded 2 countries...we're fighting everywhere....its friggen bankrupted the country. The world is 3 times more dangerous now. Yet the debate becomes some wackjob CT debate over holograms and missiles. The rags wanted this...they played the long game and now what?
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NEVER FORGET: Terrorists gave us 9/11. But Islam gave them the reason to do it!
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Utterly pathetic hugo.
what, you're the one that called GW "Bushes" lol ;D I was just having a little fun.
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To the Left...nothing is a big deal when it comes to defense, patriotism....borders etc etc. Gays, drugs, hand-outs, border jumpers...thats whats important. It all culminated in the absolute fucktard that was elected in 2008.
Most of you people have'nt suffered a fucking thing as regards these attacks. The rest of us have dragged our ass half way across the world to deal with it head on. I've spent 3 years of my life dealing directly with this shit. The people of New York have delt with it...firemen, policemen...the world has changed completely. US troops invaded 2 countries...we're fighting everywhere....its friggen bankrupted the country. The world is 3 times more dangerous now. Yet the debate becomes some wackjob CT debate over holograms and missiles. The rags wanted this...they played the long game and now what?
LMAO!@ Shut the fuck up. You sound like an absolute retard. The world has always been a very dangerous place. You act like terrorism never existed before it landed on the shores of the US. It was a wake up call for the US that we cannot keep bullyiing and shitting on the middle east and other countries without it affecting us. You see morons like you have no clue just how corrupt our government is and what they do behind closed doors. We created Osama Bin Laden. We supported Saddam. We overthrew Mohammad Mossadegh and put in the Sha. Then we kicked out the Shah and put in the Ayatollahs. It's called BLOWBACK! As long as we keep meddling in other countries and aserting ourwill on others in the name of "democracy" this shit will happen again and again. GO back to sleep you brainwashed dipshit.
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Somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people, or to the world, or harbored terrorists, or was involved in the September 11 attacks, or received weapons-grade uranium from guy, or had mobile weapons labs, or WMD, or had a need to be liberated, or we needed to establish a democracy, or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can’t be called a civil war even though it is. Something like that.
Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.
Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them. Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few “bad apples” in the military.
Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It’s interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.
Somehow the more soldiers that die, the more legitimate the illegal invasion becomes.
Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground.
Somehow those afraid to fight an illegal invasion decades ago are allowed to send soldiers to die for an illegal invasion they started.
Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.
Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated.
Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.
Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated.
Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe.
Somehow torture is tolerated.
Somehow lying is tolerated.
Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.
Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.
Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.
Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.
Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world.
Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.
Somehow the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country.
Somehow this is tolerated.
Somehow nobody is accountable for this.
In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don’t be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that “somehow” was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.
Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat’s birthday.
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Remembering is not enough. We aren't doing enough to put this shit to an end.
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Remembering is not enough. We aren't doing enough to put this shit to an end.
You obviously did not read the post above yours...
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Bushes moment at GZ with the megaphone was his finest moment IMHO>
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What's funny is while that pathetic piece of shit of a former President he's sitting high on the hog on his ranch and new home in Texas while those he praises in that video are dying of cancer and suffering chronic health problems without help from their country and government. It's pathetic. And you idiots keep slurping up the lies and propaganda. The government doesn't give a shit about the 9/11 victims and they don't give a shit about the workers and firemen etc. who came to the rescue that day. Nope.
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What's funny is while that pathetic piece of shit of a former President he's sitting high on the hog on his ranch and new home in Texas while those he praises in that video are dying of cancer and suffering chronic health problems without help from their country and government. It's pathetic. And you idiots keep slurping up the lies and propaganda. The government doesn't give a shit about the 9/11 victims and they don't give a shit about the workers and firemen etc. who came to the rescue that day. Nope.
Getbig is a fucking joke that no one really takes seriously......except for the regulars who's entire identity revolves around it. That's why it's such a fun and entertaining place..........:) LOL.
Why don't you go post on the many other boards you like so much? You add zero to this board. You insult someone, are rude, and/or engage in ad hominem in almost every post you make on this board. If you're going to hang around because it's such a "fun and entertaining place," then try making at least a few posts without all the venom. It's really not that hard.
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Never forget, never forgive. sorry, i'm a lapsed catholic and don't believe in turning the other cheek.
Although I'm neither a New Yorker nor an American, my prayers are with the families of the victims of 9/11 and I do have good friends who lost loved ones on that day.
What does puzzle me though is that Americans don't seem to have a problem accepting that fact that the lives of over 4000 American soldiers were wasted - (plus over hundred thousand Iraqi civilians killed, and the finances of the US government thrown out of balance for many years to come), so that a few shareholders of Halliburton, Blackwater and similar firms can enrich themselves. Isn't greed an equally bad if not worse motive for killing innocent people ?
We have to see the relations: for each victim of 9/11, the greed of Bush/Cheney and their cronies killed 1.3 US servicemen and over 30 Iraqi civilians.
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You obviously did not read the post above yours...
So that means I can't post?
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Bushes moment at GZ with the megaphone was his finest moment IMHO>
Yeah, that the mega phone one was up there too.
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Hahaha, you rat fucking liar. I googled that album because I just knew that post of yours was the typical bullshit propaganda. That album was released on November 6, 2001. Not "2 months before 9/11".
Another rat lie exposed. You taqiyya-spouting douche bag.
Retarded SAMSON owned again. Ouch...
I will never forget.
Neither will I.
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Retarded SAMSON owned again. Ouch...
Neither will I.
I went down there today w my jet ski. The biggest thing you notice is a gaping void in the skyline and landscape where the WTC used to be. There were tons of coast guard out today, but they were really not bothering anyone and were unusually nice to the boaters.
I guess the mood today dictated a day off from the ball busting, and rightfully so.
And to the CT'ers who still persist in their delusions and fantasies about a "controlled demo", how do you explain the dozens of witnesses who said they heard the steel and building creeking before it collapsed? How about the fact in "controlled dems" you have a chain of explosions that are heard from very far away? Are you stupid fucking drug induced morons going to tell me that special explosives were used to hide the sound?
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Another thing that also amazed me was that if things would have been different, had the Towers collapsed upon impact, we would have had about 20000-40000 dead, if not more.
Would you clowns who minimize this felt differently had 40,000 died as opposed to 3,000?
Remember, Ramzi Yusef, who bombed the WTC in 93' ESTIMATED THAT UP TO 200,000 could be killed if both were brought down at the same time.
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Another thing that also amazed me was that if things would have been different, had the Towers collapsed upon impact, we would have had about 20000-40000 dead, if not more.
Would you clowns who minimize this felt differently had 40,000 died as opposed to 3,000?
Remember, Ramzi Yusef, who bombed the WTC in 93' ESTIMATED THAT UP TO 200,000 could be killed if both were brought down at the same time.
I've thought of that too. Also, if I remember reading correctly, the planes weren't anywhere close to sitting capacity. I'm not belittling the 3,000+ casualties, but it still could've been a lot worse.
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I've thought of that too. Also, if I remember reading correctly, the planes weren't anywhere close to sitting capacity. I'm not belittling the 3,000+ casualties, but it still could've been a lot worse.
Had the building collapsed upon impact, at least 10,000 would have died, more likely 20,000 - 40,000.
This is something the "Blame America first and always" crowd never brings up.
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I went down there today w my jet ski. The biggest thing you notice is a gaping void in the skyline and landscape where the WTC used to be. There were tons of coast guard out today, but they were really not bothering anyone and were unusually nice to the boaters.
I guess the mood today dictated a day off from the ball busting, and rightfully so.
Uuuu yeah... no pictures ..It didn't happen.
And to the CT'ers who still persist in their delusions and fantasies about a "controlled demo", how do you explain the dozens of witnesses who said they heard the steel and building creeking before it collapsed? How about the fact in "controlled dems" you have a chain of explosions that are heard from very far away? Are you stupid fucking drug induced morons going to tell me that special explosives were used to hide the sound?
Show us one video, article, person that said they heard the building creaking or leaning before it collapsed? That LIE is so outrageous 3 it is not even funny. Since the building collapsed from the near top (one thousand feet in the air), no one would have heard anything until they actually saw the building falling. Also given all of the police cars, ambulances, sirens, bullhorns, firetrucks crowd noise etc there is no way in hell someone would have been able to HEAR any supposed creaking. FAIL...Try Again...
Another thing that also amazed me was that if things would have been different, had the Towers collapsed upon impact, we would have had about 20000-40000 dead, if not more.
Would you clowns who minimize this felt differently had 40,000 died as opposed to 3,000?
Remember, Ramzi Yusef, who bombed the WTC in 93' ESTIMATED THAT UP TO 200,000 could be killed if both were brought down at the same time.
Had you done your research you would have known that on the day of the event, people were being turned away and held up in the lobby of the building before the impact...something that was highly abnormal. Less than half the normal population was in the buildings and some companies like Odigo, the employees were warned the day before not to come to work on 9/11...something admitted in the news. So the death total was planned way in advance as well.
So far as minimizing anything...there is nothing to minimize. You should be angry with your american government over this FALSE FLAG, DOMESTIC TERRORISM EVENT that sacrificed a couple thousand people for the sake of colonizing another nation and stealing its resources. Did you miss your american history which admitted the lies about the Spanish American war, the Vietnam War, the Korean war, the Japanese War, the Alamo etc etc?...Is 9/11 any different??
FACT CHECK...Ramzi Yusef DID NOT bomb the WTC in 1993 it was Mohammed Salem, who also informed the FBI of it before hand. The CIA was performing a drill on that day and used patsy Mohammed Salem to drive a truck full of explosives into the garage under the world trade center. When Mohammed realized the explosives in the truck were real he refused to drive the truck and then informed the FBI of what was going on. A CIA agent then drove the truck into the garage and detonated the bombs only for it to fail to bring down the building.
The matter made its way to the New York Times news and was quickly squashed...I guess you conveniently forgot those details huh 3?
At no time ever could 200,000 people be killed in the WTC because at best it could only hold 50,000 and the buildings were NEVER fully occupied... as a matter of fact they barely reached the two third capacity. So far as falling over onto other buildings, we already have seen from 911 how the buildings fell into their own footprints effecting very little in the surrounding area and even if toppled over there is not that concentration of people in the area to kill that many .
quote author=333386 Had the building collapsed upon impact, at least 10,000 would have died, more likely 20,000 - 40,000.
This is something the "Blame America first and always" crowd never brings up.
You're grasping desperately for straws
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Unreal - I was down there at around 12 and did not carry around a newpaper with me just for the purposes of proving it to you.
Do you want me to go get an affidavit from the coast guard guys who I talked to?
As for the 911 stuff. Histoery Channel had a long program last night of people with home videos and the like and many witnesses said they heard creaking before the collapse.
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Unreal - I was down there at around 12 and did not carry around a newpaper with me just for the purposes of proving it to you.
Do you want me to go get an affidavit from the coast guard guys who I talked to?
As for the 911 stuff. Histoery Channel had a long program last night of people with home videos and the like and many witnesses said they heard creaking before the collapse.
Why waste your time arguing with that gimmick? She has been exposed as a lying katwa Muslim jihadi countless times.
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Why waste your time arguing with that gimmick? She has been exposed as a lying katwa Muslim jihadi countless times.
Because at some point, I will force these idiots to concede the idiocy of their delusional CT's.
Witnesses saying they heard creaking of the steel, no audible evidence of bombs planted in ther buildings, no evidence of a controlled demo, etc etc, when will these idiots finally give upo their delusions?
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Because at some point, I will force these idiots to concede the idiocy of their delusional CT's.
Witnesses saying they heard creaking of the steel, no audible evidence of bombs planted in ther buildings, no evidence of a controlled demo, etc etc, when will these idiots finally give upo their delusions?
But youtube videos are 100% irrefutable. It's youtube, an accredited academic site where everything is fact-checked and everyone has a PhD in physics from Harvard. ::)
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Uuuu yeah... no pictures ..It didn't happen.
Show us one video, article, person that said they heard the building creaking or leaning before it collapsed? That LIE is so outrageous 3 it is not even funny. Since the building collapsed from the near top (one thousand feet in the air), no one would have heard anything until they actually saw the building falling. Also given all of the police cars, ambulances, sirens, bullhorns, firetrucks crowd noise etc there is no way in hell someone would have been able to HEAR any supposed creaking. FAIL...Try Again...
Had you done your research you would have known that on the day of the event, people were being turned away and held up in the lobby of the building before the impact...something that was highly abnormal. Less than half the normal population was in the buildings and some companies like Odigo, the employees were warned the day before not to come to work on 9/11...something admitted in the news. So the death total was planned way in advance as well.
So far as minimizing anything...there is nothing to minimize. You should be angry with your american government over this FALSE FLAG, DOMESTIC TERRORISM EVENT that sacrificed a couple thousand people for the sake of colonizing another nation and stealing its resources. Did you miss your american history which admitted the lies about the Spanish American war, the Vietnam War, the Korean war, the Japanese War, the Alamo etc etc?...Is 9/11 any different??
FACT CHECK...Ramzi Yusef DID NOT bomb the WTC in 1993 it was Mohammed Salem, who also informed the FBI of it before hand. The CIA was performing a drill on that day and used patsy Mohammed Salem to drive a truck full of explosives into the garage under the world trade center. When Mohammed realized the explosives in the truck were real he refused to drive the truck and then informed the FBI of what was going on. A CIA agent then drove the truck into the garage and detonated the bombs only for it to fail to bring down the building.
The matter made its way to the New York Times news and was quickly squashed...I guess you conveniently forgot those details huh 3?
At no time ever could 200,000 people be killed in the WTC because at best it could only hold 50,000 and the buildings were NEVER fully occupied... as a matter of fact they barely reached the two third capacity. So far as falling over onto other buildings, we already have seen from 911 how the buildings fell into their own footprints effecting very little in the surrounding area and even if toppled over there is not that concentration of people in the area to kill that many .
You're grasping desperately for straws
Holy crap! Is this a real post?
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Holy crap! Is this a real post?
Sadly, it is. But rest assured, while thinking that Sorcha Faal articles are factual, Samson claims to have a 160 IQ and multiple master's degrees in various fields of engineering. Of course she supported these claims by showing us that she has the physics knowledge of a seventh grader but that's not important.
Getbig has some truly stupid people posting on it. SamsonEnterprises just happens to be the stupidest. 8)
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Unreal - I was down there at around 12 and did not carry around a newpaper with me just for the purposes of proving it to you.
Do you want me to go get an affidavit from the coast guard guys who I talked to?
It would help...adds credibility to your claim, which sorely lacks it at this point.
As for the 911 stuff. Histoery Channel had a long program last night of people with home videos and the like and many witnesses said they heard creaking before the collapse.
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UNREAL is exactly what I though of your post as well...guess we have the same sentiment
Are you talking about the show 102 MINUTES THAT CHANGED AMERICA? Again no way in hell anyone heard creaking of the WTC, because there was no creaking, just a sudden explosion and collapse from the control demolition. I have seen a ton of those home videos and even posted them on this board as well as the documentaries on Google that contained these HOME VIDEOS...at no time could a person hear creaking or did the narrator say there was any creaking.
So far as you not believing there were bombs from the control demolition were planted in the building have a look at these firemen who were IN THE BUILDING who told the world of the bombs...These vids have been posted a million times, but since you like to dismiss what you don't want to hear, here it is again
Firemen telling of bombs going off in control demolition style
Oh BTW you still have not said how 9 of the hijackers are still alive...I am waiting....
World Trade Worker Telling Of Bombs In Basement
8 weeks Later Molten steel Under World Trade site...How Can Something Burn/Melt In The Absence Of Oxygen??? Gee must be those Thermite Bomb
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As for the first video - you are so clueless it hurts. The sounds is from concrete crashing into each other from each floor. Or is that the new CT - that each floor was rigged with bpombs?
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Because at some point, I will force these idiots to concede the idiocy of their delusional CT's.
You're dreaming dude. The people who believe this idiocy are never going to concede how stupid it is.
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You're dreaming dude. The people who believe this idiocy are never going to concede how stupid it is.
9 years later and these fools still have not come up with a damn thing that can't be refuted in 2 minutes flat.
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Why waste your time arguing with that gimmick? She has been exposed as a lying katwa Muslim jihadi countless times.
Yeah..I will Katwa your Fatwa any day...
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I spoke to one of my engineer clients about this issue. He told me he attended a meeting with the port authority on the crash and they told him that when the planes crashed in the building, the gasoline poured down elevater shafts all the way to the floor and set a fire at the lower levels to a lot of crap internally and that was the sounds the CT'ers are always claiming was a internal demo.
He also explained to me that on Internal Demos, the TNT is attached to the support structures and that had it been an internal demo, there would be evidence EVERYWHERE of that, and as we know, that simply was no the case.
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I spoke to one of my engineer clients about this issue. He told me he attended a meeting with the port authority on the crash and they told him that when the planes crashed in the building, the gasoline poured down elevater shafts all the way to the floor and set a fire at the lower levels to a lot of crap internally and that was the sounds the CT'ers are always claiming was a internal demo.
i could give a shit about this argumnt, but most of the jet fuel burned up upon impact and the elevators were hermetically sealed. not even fire could get below those floors. And there are shitloads of videos of fireman in the WTC lobbies - all of the windows were already blown out and the basement was already shredded at that point - the seismic data shows 12 to 14 seconds BEFORE the planes hit, there were 'events' at the ground level. The planes hitting were a mere blip on the seismic, since they were very big buildings.
jeez, can we please let this argument go, once and for all? The level of ignorance - and emotion - from both sides of the argument is so baffling. It's 9 year old history.
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I spoke to one of my engineer clients about this issue. He told me he attended a meeting with the port authority on the crash and they told him that when the planes crashed in the building, the gasoline poured down elevater shafts all the way to the floor and set a fire at the lower levels to a lot of crap internally and that was the sounds the CT'ers are always claiming was a internal demo.
He also explained to me that on Internal Demos, the TNT is attached to the support structures and that had it been an internal demo, there would be evidence EVERYWHERE of that, and as we know, that simply was no the case.
LMAO! That is the stupidest shit I think I've ever read from both sides of the 9/11 fence. Yeah the gasoline poured down elevator shafts..............LOL!!!!!!! The fucking gasoline incinerated on impact hence the huge ass fireballs. The official explanation of the sounds that sounded like bombs going off and that you can see on the sides of buildings that look like little mini demolition blowouts had to do with the forces exerted by the collapsing material. I mean shit man you guys criticize the CTerrs but you can't even get your fucking facts or story straight either. I just watched the specialy on Saturday on the History channel and they covvered this exact thing.
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LMAO! That is the stupidest shit I think I've ever read from both sides of the 9/11 fence. Yeah the gasoline poured down elevator shafts..............LOL!!!!!!! The fucking gasoline incinerated on impact hence the huge ass fireballs. The official explanation of the sounds that sounded like bombs going off and that you can see on the sides of buildings that look like little mini demolition blowouts had to do with the forces exerted by the collapsing material. I mean shit man you guys criticize the CTerrs but you can't even get your fucking facts or story straight either. I just watched the specialy on Saturday on the History channel and they covvered this exact thing.
I'll tell you guys what - and i am not kidding - this is to 240, Samson, and you.
I will give you the number to the engineer I spoke with who attended the meetings with the Port Authority. I will provide his number and credentials, as they have a site and are in the Bluebook.
Since you guys think you are so sure of yourselves and probably think I am FOS, why don't you risk your account forever and make a wage with me as I will provide the contact info and you can find out for yourselves the utter stupidity and delusions you still cling to.
Deal?
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your friend has the right to any opinion he pleases, 33. As do all of us. I've spent hours learning about the hermetically sealed elevators. Fire can't get down there. And jet fuel sure can't travel 1000 feet without catching ablaze. "Fuel pouring down elevator shafts" is silly to me.
But opinions are like asssholes - we all have them, and they're usually full of shit. So instead of investing our time arguing about it, let's just enjoy a high protein lunch, hit the gym, and enjoy the day? I love your passion bro, and we will never agree on this issue. So let's just call the 911 debate a 'draw' and enjoy our days? :)
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I'll tell you guys what - and i am not kidding - this is to 240, Samson, and you.
I will give you the number to the engineer I spoke with who attended the meetings with the Port Authority. I will provide his number and credentials, as they have a site and are in the Bluebook.
Since you guys think you are so sure of yourselves and probably think I am FOS, why don't you risk your account forever and make a wage with me as I will provide the contact info and you can find out for yourselves the utter stupidity and delusions you still cling to.
Deal?
Who fucking cares what ONE engineer thinks or espouses? I mean you can find an engineer out there that still thinks the world is flat. SO FUCKING WHAAT?????????? give it a fucking rest! Don't you have a business to run?
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No, this was engineer who sat in on meetings with the Port Authority over this matter.
What is your theory? Give me specifics.
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I spoke to one of my engineer clients about this issue. He told me he attended a meeting with the port authority on the crash and they told him that when the planes crashed in the building, the gasoline poured down elevater shafts all the way to the floor and set a fire at the lower levels to a lot of crap internally and that was the sounds the CT'ers are always claiming was a internal demo.
He also explained to me that on Internal Demos, the TNT is attached to the support structures and that had it been an internal demo, there would be evidence EVERYWHERE of that, and as we know, that simply was no the case.
LIAR LIAR LIAR....
Don't go out like this 3...You have discredited yourself beyond belief trying to make a FALSE FLAG issue REAL. Sadness is all I can say. You now supposedly have an engineer friend and somehow his word is more substantial than all of the college professors, specialized engineers, scientist, metallurgist, and numerous agencies that deal with Standards and Technology that engineer and analyze products/equipment/structural components etc to make sure they at the very least live up to the specifications they were/are intended for. All of these agencies have spoken up about how the IMPOSSIBILITY of these building falling as they did regardless of whether it was a plane of earthquake that brought them down. Here you are a nobody trying to argue against these facts and experts and all you can present are supposed "friends" who are engineers or reference a single History channel show were supposedly a person heard a creak in one of the WTC buildings before it fell. Honestly you have spent way too much time on this board to the point of now being delusional. This ha snow become creepy/freakish/disturbing to think your mind truly believes this nonsense you spew....
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Ill make you a wager- I will give you his info and verfiy it with everyone. When I prove to you that I am telling the 100% truth - you leave for good. How about that deal?
If you are so sure I am lying, why not risk your posting priviligeses?
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Ill make you a wager- I will give you his info and verfiy it with everyone. When I prove to you that I am telling the 100% truth - you leave for good. How about that deal?
If you are so sure I am lying, why not risk your posting priviligeses?
I guess you don't get it 3...This "person" means NOTHING to me. He is NOT one of the MANY experts who testified and /or examined the remains/debris/area and came to an honest conclusion BASED ON FACT. He can only give me an opinion that is baseless. I would have to be retarded to believe three building would fall perfectly straight to the ground, two supposedly by planes, another for no reason at all and all of the debris screaming of thermite, control demolition, bombs, perfectly cut 45 degree angles on the supporting beams, explosions in basements, survivors telling of explosions in the building and seeing bombs on actual floors etc etc etc.
If you want to waste the rest of your life believing lies then go right ahead...I based things upon FACT and overwhelming evidence. You have presented no facts, evidence...NOTHING to make anyone believe otherwise,.
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I guess you don't get it 3...This "person" means NOTHING to me. He is NOT one of the MANY experts who testified and /or examined the remains/debris/area and came to an honest conclusion BASED ON FACT. He can only give me an opinion that is baseless. I would have to be retarded to believe three building would fall perfectly straight to the ground, two supposedly by planes, another for no reason at all and all of the debris screaming of thermite, control demolition, bombs, perfectly cut 45 degree angles on the supporting beams, explosions in basements, survivors telling of explosions in the building and seeing bombs on actual floors etc etc etc.
If you want to waste the rest of your life believing lies then go right ahead...I based things upon FACT and overwhelming evidence. You have presented no facts, evidence...NOTHING to make anyone believe otherwise,.
How many lies have you been outed on now? Facts are something that you're not the least bit fond of.
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I guess you don't get it 3...This "person" means NOTHING to me. He is NOT one of the MANY experts who testified and /or examined the remains/debris/area and came to an honest conclusion BASED ON FACT. He can only give me an opinion that is baseless. I would have to be retarded to believe three building would fall perfectly straight to the ground, two supposedly by planes, another for no reason at all and all of the debris screaming of thermite, control demolition, bombs, perfectly cut 45 degree angles on the supporting beams, explosions in basements, survivors telling of explosions in the building and seeing bombs on actual floors etc etc etc.
If you want to waste the rest of your life believing lies then go right ahead...I based things upon FACT and overwhelming evidence. You have presented no facts, evidence...NOTHING to make anyone believe otherwise,.
So the answer is no, you won't take my challenge.
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Bump. Never forget.
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Died January 2, 2004 Serving During Operation Iraqi Freedom
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28, of Texas; assigned to 4th Engineer Battalion, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division (Mechanized), based in Fort Carson, Colo.; killed in action when his command post when it came under mortar attack, on Jan. 2 in Balad, Iraq.
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Capt. Eric T. Paliwoda had a busy life ahead of him. There was a wedding to plan, a master’s degree to earn and a teaching position to pursue.
“He was very excited. He’d be a wonderful teacher; he had a very commanding presence,” said his mother, Mary Paliwoda.
Paliwoda, 28, of Goodyear, Ariz., was killed Jan. 2 when his command post came under a mortar attack in Balad, about 50 miles northwest of Baghdad. An engineer, he was based at Fort Carson, Colo. Paliwoda and his fiancee, Wendy Rosen, were planning a June wedding, said his father, Alfred Paliwoda. He also wanted to earn a master’s degree and teach at his alma mater, West Point, said his mother.
Paliwoda grew up in Farmington, Conn., and was a standout basketball player in high school.
Many universities sought the 6-foot-7 player, and he chose the prestigious military college, Mary Paliwoda said. “Originally, he did go there to play basketball. But he was always willing to devote himself for our country,” she said.
— Associated Press
Still sad over this.
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Yes let's never forget the people that died
-2606 in new york city
-125 at the pentagon
-246 on the planes
-100000+ in Afghanistan
-Million+ in Iraq
Etc...
-The perpetual warfare by America invading, bombing and destroying countries ever since including but not limited to wars, proxy wars, covert operations: Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Pakistan, Yemen, Libya, Syria, Iran, etc...
Lets also not forget Silverstein's terrorism insurance claims
(http://images.forbes.com/media/faces/s/silverstein_larry.jpg)
Silverstein: WTC Leaseholder May Collect Up To $4.6B
http://www.forbes.com/2004/12/06/1206autofacescan06.html
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Lets not forget the dancing Israelis that 'documented' the event or the police officers that arrested them, interrogated them and shipped them back to Israel. Nor forget the documents being classified until 2030.
(http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/5-dancing-Israelis.jpg)
(http://cotocrew.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/dancing-israelis-9-11.jpg)
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(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc56/poseidon888/EvidenceLinkingIsraelisTo911.png)
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Lets also not forget the profits by companies like Dick Cheyney's Haliburton
(http://www.newsrescue.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/cheney_halliburton-chris-galdi-com.jpg)
Lets also not forget the NSA spying on the world. The Nazi like patriot acts, 'homeland security' (for the motherland!!!!)
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100000+ in Afghanistan
-Million+ in Iraq
Etc...
-The perpetual warfare by America invading, bombing and destroying countries ever since including but not limited to wars, proxy wars, covert operations: Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Pakistan, Yemen, Libya, Syria, Iran, etc...
Lets also not forget Silverstein's terrorism insurance claims
Let me tell what you raghead piece of shit...nobody here cares. I don't care how many of u worthless assbags do the VX salsa in Syria..nobody in America does, not the Left and anot the Right. The West does not care. Assad and AQ and everybody over there can continue to kill each other, gas as many kids as they can...deny the jihadists anymore converts and do whatever the hell else you want...nobody here cares.
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BF - many people get on me for my fire hot intensity on a lot of things, and you know what, everything about me and what i believe can be summed up in a lot of these photos.
After looking again at these photos and videos, I will never ever make apologies for my utter contempt and hatred for our enemies or those who apologize, explain, rationalize, or make equivocations for it.
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Bump. Never forget.
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Never forget.
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Never forget.
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Had a great weekend doing hard ass endurance events in their memory.
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Had a great weekend doing hard ass endurance events in their memory.
Nice.
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Can't believe it has been 16 years.
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Yeah, over the years, the jumpers have become the only consistent way to realize the depths of true terror that is 9/11.
Time passes and maybe it's simple nature for some to "meh" the event, or worse yet joke about it or even celebrate it as many have done since the first moment it began to unfold -- yes, some very sick cultures do that, and will go so far as to make costumes for parties (For their children, even!) or decorate cakes with just incredible elaboration and thought, and/or otherwise glamorize the tragedy in ways failing every measure of decency -- but to see those poor souls from that morning, faced with some awful decision to jump or to stay, should make the case to anyone. It is not "ho-hum" and it is absolutely not a joke.
But one thing I will never understand, is how someone who'd be so outraged by it all, would then fall silent over the well-known (For being uninvestigated?) problems. Even for a person who may be clueless on the matter as a whole, it should require living under a rock in the desert not to know about, for a single in-your-face instance, the powerful ones in the FBI shutting down the "little people" in their outfit who KNEW they had valid reason to detain certain individuals before they could flee. WHAT did those powerful ones do, instead? They spit a big fat glob in America's eye by personally helping those suspects flee. That's a fact.
So when it comes to being outraged at evil-doers who stand against America, who look to hurt her, and worse yet who have used their power and influence to remain untouched for their acts: you silent ones have only yourselves to blame. This is your baby, this child of the Devil. They wouldn't be able to produce, if not for you.
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Never forget.
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Today would be like 1960 for those around for Pearl Harbor in 1941.
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Today would be like 1960 for those around for Pearl Harbor in 1941.
Or 19 for the twelve disciples.
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Or 19 for the twelve disciples.
Awesome!
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Awesome!
Believe me. I almost broke my arm patting myself on the back for that one. ;D
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Never forget.
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Never forget.
I was in Denver today and saw a ceremony at the airport. They had a display of the United Airlines pilots and flight attendants who died. I don't spend enough time remembering those airline workers who were murdered on 9/11. God bless their families.