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Imam: NYC mosque site is not 'hallowed ground'
KOLD ^ | 09/13/10 | Jennifer Peltz
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The imam leading the effort to build an Islamic community center and mosque near ground zero says there is a "misperception" that the proposed site is sacred ground.
Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf said Monday that the location where the center would be built, two blocks from the World Trade Center, has a strip joint and betting parlors nearby. He says it's "absolutely disingenuous" to suggest that it is "hallowed ground."
He also says the location is important, because it will serve as a platform where the voice of moderate Muslims can be amplified.
Rauf make his remarks before the Council on Foreign Relations.
Rauf says the center will be a place for all faiths to come together. He says "the world is watching what we do here" and that it is important to "live up to our ideal."
http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=13142647
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keep it up rauf.
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Herp derp, the MSM and apologists tell me that moderate Muslims advocate the implementation of Sharia law, refuse to denounce terrorists and have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, itself a terrorist organization banned in over a dozen Muslim countries.
If it's a center for all faiths to come together then they should prove it by building a church, synagogue, hindu temple and buddhist shrine inside it.
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Herp derp, the MSM and apologists tell me that moderate Muslims advocate the implementation of Sharia law, refuse to denounce terrorists and have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, itself a terrorist organization banned in over a dozen Muslim countries.
If it's a center for all faiths to come together then they should prove it by building a church, synagogue and hindu temple inside it.
Let's build a pig farm in Mecca and see what these scumbags say.
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Let's build a pig farm in Mecca and see what these scumbags say.
Non-Muslims are banned from setting foot inside Mecca. Which is funny because Mecca was a melting pot of pagan and Abrahamic religious groups before the armies of the pedophile conquered it.
The following is a real picture. Behold Muslim TOLERANCE! ::)
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Non-Muslims are banned from setting foot inside Mecca. Which is funny because Mecca was a melting pot of pagan and Abrahamic religious groups before the armies of the pedophile conquered it.
The following is a real picture. Behold Muslim TOLERANCE! ::)
notice how all of those who originally supported this mess have gone into hiding?
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notice how all of those who originally supported this mess have gone into hiding?
Yeah, most of them have thrown Rauf to the wolves. The only people who seem to insist on supporting this terrorist are the MSM, Obama and Bloomberg. Even Pelosi has shut up about it.
Same goes for this board. :-X
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Yeah, most of them have thrown Rauf to the wolves. The only people who seem to insist on supporting this terrorist are the MSM, Obama and Bloomberg. Even Pelosi has shut up about it.
Same goes for this board. :-X
As soon as the next Palin story blows up, they will all be back.
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As soon as the next Palin story blows up, they will all be back.
Who?
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>:(
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Rauf needs a major league beat down.
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Yeah, most of them have thrown Rauf to the wolves. The only people who seem to insist on supporting this terrorist are the MSM, Obama and Bloomberg. Even Pelosi has shut up about it.
Same goes for this board. :-X
So now Rauf is a terrorist? Since when? ::)
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So now Rauf is a terrorist? Since when? ::)
well according to Rudy Giuliani, Peter T. King, Rick Lazio, and Sarah Palin lolol...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feisal_Abdul_Rauf
That's kinda funny, considering many in the following years after 9/11 were talking about the same issues he addressed and got called out for. I guess it's not enough that the guy is totally against the 9/11 attacks and extremism in islam, not to mention he helped the government after 9/11. So yea, he's a terrorist. I just read about this shit for the first time and seeing how I've said the same things about our foreign policy and the cia's actions during the 80's, I guess I'm guilty too lol... There's been many documentaries that covered this shit, I don't see how he gets called out on what are valuable points for discussion.
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well according to Rudy Giuliani, Peter T. King, Rick Lazio, and Sarah Palin lolol...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feisal_Abdul_Rauf
That's kinda funny, considering many in the following years after 9/11 were talking about the same issues he addressed and got called out for. I guess it's not enough that the guy is totally against the 9/11 attacks and extremism in islam, not to mention he helped the government after 9/11. So yea, he's a terrorist. I just read about this shit for the first time and seeing how I've said the same things about our foreign policy and the cia's actions during the 80's, I guess I'm guilty too lol... There's been many documentaries that covered this shit, I don't see how he gets called out on what are valuable points for discussion.
Hahaha, you're so naive and clueless. It's pretty evident that you've read next to nothing on this guy. But you keep drinking the MSM kool-aid. Really makes you look smart.
Let me help you out, though. Advocating, in writing, for the implementation of Sharia Law in America, refusing to denounce terrorism, being against interfaith dialog, giving tacit approval to suicide bombers, having ties to the Turkish IHH, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hizb-ut Tahrir and a handful of other extremist groups generally puts you in extremist company. The list goes on you clueless fuck. And this is all well-documented and has been talked about on here. Even true moderate Muslims have come out against this guy and called him an extremist in moderate clothing. Maybe if you showed up more than once every six months you would have seen the threads on it. ::)
You and googly-eyes feel like embarrassing yourselves some more?
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Hahaha, you're so naive and clueless. It's pretty evident that you've read next to nothing on this guy. But you keep drinking the MSM kool-aid. Really makes you look smart.
Let me help you out, though. Advocating, in writing, for the implementation of Sharia Law in America, refusing to denounce terrorism, being against interfaith dialog, giving tacit approval to suicide bombers, having ties to the Turkish IHH, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hizb-ut Tahrir and a handful of other extremist groups generally puts you in extremist company. The list goes on you clueless fuck. ::)
Not that it matters. You are in the minority on this mosque debate. :D
Brilliant jackass, since I just openly stated above that this is the first time I'd read anything about him. I stated so for honesty and obviously to open the way to be corrected by admitting from the start I did not have any extensive researched knowledge of this person yet you still couldn't help your trolling ways. You absolutely can't help baiting and flaming in every single post you make here. Keep it up, you know where it will go... Your trolling days here are fucking numbered...
Now, rather than spew off just a list of accusations and since you are attempting to edjucate the "clueless" how about you back up your list with some reading refernces. I have no idea if you pulled that stuff out of your ass and your clueless or if you have actual facts.
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Brilliant jackass, since I just openly stated above that this is the first time I'd read anything about him. I stated so for honesty and obviously to open the way to be corrected by admitting from the start I did not have any extensive researched knowledge of this person yet you still couldn't help your trolling ways. You absolutely can't help baiting and flaming in every single post you make here. Keep it up, you know where it will go... Your trolling days here are fucking numbered...
Now, rather than spew off just a list of accusations and since you are attempting to edjucate the "clueless" how about you back up your list with some reading refernces. I have no idea if you pulled that stuff out of your ass and your clueless or if you have actual facts.
Much like I just did, you obviously didn't read my entire post (I definitely skimmed yours). Everything I've said is well-documented. There have been multiple threads over the last 4-5 months for every point on there. Multiple posters will confirm that. I am not wasting my time digging them up for the umpteenth time (I did the same shit with Blacken when he opened his mouth). You can do your own research. Open up google or the Getbig search function and educate yourself.
It's amazing how you claimed you don't know shit about this topic but you just railed off a list of assertions on this guy like you do. Nope, you're not pushing a biased, far-leftist apologist agenda or anything. :-\
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well according to Rudy Giuliani, Peter T. King, Rick Lazio, and Sarah Palin lolol...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feisal_Abdul_Rauf
That's kinda funny, considering many in the following years after 9/11 were talking about the same issues he addressed and got called out for. I guess it's not enough that the guy is totally against the 9/11 attacks and extremism in islam, not to mention he helped the government after 9/11. So yea, he's a terrorist. I just read about this shit for the first time and seeing how I've said the same things about our foreign policy and the cia's actions during the 80's, I guess I'm guilty too lol... There's been many documentaries that covered this shit, I don't see how he gets called out on what are valuable points for discussion.
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I guess you have not read a damn thing about Rauf refusing to call Hamas Terrorists, the financier giving money to Holy Land foundation, the financial fraud Rauf is engaged in, his welfare queen status etc?
Of course not.
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I guess you have not read a damn thing about Rauf refusing to call Hamas Terrorists, the financier giving money to Holy Land foundation, the financial fraud Rauf is engaged in, his welfare queen status etc?
Of course not.
It's the same shit over and over with these people. Every two weeks some leftist fucktard pops up and spouts off some MSM talking points, makes a fool out of themself and then disappears. Notice blacken has pretty much shut the hell up about this mosque since opening his mouth on it?
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It's the same shit over and over with these people. Every two weeks some leftist fucktard pops up and spouts off some MSM talking points, makes a fool out of themself and then disappears. Notice blacken has pretty much shut the hell up about this mosque since opening his mouth on it?
waiting for your info. If you have it, I'm fine with that, I'll look at it and if true accept it. If not, stfu.
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waiting for your info. If you have it, I'm fine with that, I'll look at it and if true accept it. If not, stfu.
Do you want me to bump some of the threads?
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Do you want me to bump some of the threads?
I'd rather have BF do his own work for once but I know how gung ho you are so it doesn't matter how I get the info. I'll check it out the same if you want to help BF. Just post links to the threads here rather than bumping a bunch of threads. Unless you want them bumped then go ahead. I'm out for a bit, I'll be back an hour or so.
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I'd rather have BF do his own work for once but I know how gung ho you are so it doesn't matter how I get the info. I'll check it out the same if you want to help BF. Just post links to the threads here rather than bumping a bunch of threads. Unless you want them bumped then go ahead. I'm out for a bit, I'll be back an hour or so.
I did my own work when I made the threads months ago. I, 333 and others have made countless threads on the shady actions and words of this guy. How about you do your own legwork? In the words of the mighty /b/, I'm not your personal army.
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I did my own work when I made the threads months ago. I, 333 and others have made countless threads on the shady actions and words of this guy. How about you do your own legwork? In the words of the mighty /b/, I'm not your personal army.
I bumped some of the threads and guess what?
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I bumped some of the threads and guess what?
what? That the threads didn't come remotely close to showing Rauf is a terrorist? I thought you guys had that locked down in past posts lol... So far nodody can show me jack shit to prove he's a terrorist.
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333 never claimed Rauf was a terrorist. I did.
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mannnnnn.........
dog shite and urine super soakers. that shit would work here in FL. I guess yall new yorkers have your own way of doing things. but if some disrespectful or shady shit went up on my block, their asses would be shuffled out. I betcha. I'd be calling the police every day for the weed smell. I'd be calling crimestoppers on them. I'd be getting the neighborhood watch all in their business.
But hey, continue to whine about it. I'm sure you'll have equally effective results your way.
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333 never claimed Rauf was a terrorist. I did.
well that makes you unable to prove it, and I'm talking to 3333 about it because he obviously offered to help you back your statement. how the hell can you miss that, it's in this thread lol...
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=348206.msg4893189#msg4893189
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Now your entire argument is based around my comment? Since when? First it was whether he was a moderate Muslim like you claimed (he's not). What's the matter, did you do some reading on the guy and realize he's a dirtbag and anything but a moderate?
Regardless, it depends on what your definition of terrorist is. He's clearly caused grief to a large number of people (including most of the 9/11 victim families) and has now taken to making subtle threats of violence and intimidation if he doesn't get his way. "Terrorist" works for me.
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Regardless, it depends on what your definition of terrorist is. He's clearly caused grief to a large number of people (including most of the 9/11 victim families) and has now taken to making subtle threats of violence and intimidation if he doesn't get his way. "Terrorist" works for me.
ehhhhh THAT can't be the definition of terrorist.
Bush caused grief for a lot of families. And he used outright threats of violence if he didn't get his way on votes, etc. So IMO that definition doesn't work.
A terrorist is someone who does - or funds - acts that kill americans for political reasons. If this dude funded terror, GITMO his ass. If he didn't, then it's just bad taste. You can't do anything legally, but you can sure picket that mosque 24/7. How many NYers are picketing currently?
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mannnnnn.........
dog shite and urine super soakers. that shit would work here in FL. I guess yall new yorkers have your own way of doing things. but if some disrespectful or shady shit went up on my block, their asses would be shuffled out. I betcha. I'd be calling the police every day for the weed smell. I'd be calling crimestoppers on them. I'd be getting the neighborhood watch all in their business.
But hey, continue to whine about it. I'm sure you'll have equally effective results your way.
First off, that would get you charged with a hate crime. You don't think CAIR would be chomping at the bit over something like spraying them with urine? No reason to go to jail over these people.
ehhhhh THAT can't be the definition of terrorist.
Bush caused grief for a lot of families. And he used outright threats of violence if he didn't get his way on votes, etc. So IMO that definition doesn't work.
A terrorist is someone who does - or funds - acts that kill americans for political reasons. If this dude funded terror, GITMO his ass. If he didn't, then it's just bad taste. You can't do anything legally, but you can sure picket that mosque 24/7. How many NYers are picketing currently?
How many Getbiggers have called Bush a terrorist now? I see it plenty. And this guy has ties to at least 3 terrorist and terrorist-financing groups. It's really not a stretch to make that claim.
Terrorist or not, he is definitely not an example of a moderate, progressive, tolerant Muslim.
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First off, that would get you charged with a hate crime. You don't think CAIR would be chomping at the bit over something like spraying them with urine? No reason to go to jail over these people.
sheeeeit, you're scared to take a misdemeanor charge? And what's the charge for holding up a picket sign or wearing a lady gaga meat suit past their door all day? Seriously, do yall NYers have no imagination? But that's why they didn't put that shit on my block... I would log off getbig right now and go hold up a sign and hock lugies all day while I picketed... and pass gas furiously, sipping protein all the while...
it's not a hate crime to wear a bacon suit while picketing and passing gas.
How many Getbiggers have called Bush a terrorist now? I see it plenty. And this guy has ties to at least 3 terrorist and terrorist-financing groups. It's really not a stretch to make that claim.
why isn't he being questioned by authorities?
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sheeeeit, you're scared to take a misdemeanor charge? And what's the charge for holding up a picket sign or wearing a lady gaga meat suit past their door all day? Seriously, do yall NYers have no imagination? But that's why they didn't put that shit on my block... I would log off getbig right now and go hold up a sign and hock lugies all day while I picketed... and pass gas furiously, sipping protein all the while...
it's not a hate crime to wear a bacon suit while picketing and passing gas.
why isn't he being questioned by authorities?
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First off, they would probably charge a felony. Second, they would not negotiate that down in NYC.
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ok, scratch the urine idea.
Bacon suit, pickting while dropping wind all day. No crime there. Why aren't you picketing today, 33?
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sheeeeit, you're scared to take a misdemeanor charge? And what's the charge for holding up a picket sign or wearing a lady gaga meat suit past their door all day? Seriously, do yall NYers have no imagination? But that's why they didn't put that shit on my block... I would log off getbig right now and go hold up a sign and hock lugies all day while I picketed... and pass gas furiously, sipping protein all the while...
it's not a hate crime to wear a bacon suit while picketing and passing gas.
why isn't he being questioned by authorities?
Fuck if I know. Why was Anwar al-Awlaki once hailed as a beacon of moderate Muslims? He was moderate alright. Moderate enough to land a spot on the CIA's targeted killing list.
The government is completely fucking incompetent when it comes to this issue. Wouldn't be the first time they've championed a "moderate" Muslim who turned out to be a terrorist. I can't remember the name right now but there was a guy the MSM pushed for a few years back around 2002 who is now a leader of one of the AQ-inspired terrorist arms in the Middle East. They don't talk about him anymore. ;)
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ok, scratch the urine idea.
Bacon suit, pickting while dropping wind all day. No crime there. Why aren't you picketing today, 33?
I have estimated taxes to pay.
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my point... is that I know i'm just a rednexk POS lib shitbag.,.... but i'd be picketing if it came to my block. not because "i'm offended" or "it make my emotional vagina hurt"... no, because I don't want shady dirtbags on my block. And this dude is clearly a shady d-bag. So I wouldn't take that emotional route, begging others to be offended, trying to get pity, going on the news skwaking about "how wrong it is, even though it's legal!"
No, I'd picket wearing my bacon suit while stinking up the joint with champion nutrition in my shaker cup. I'd get my neighbors to do the same. When the media came out, I'd inform them "These folks are dirtbags bringing down the property value". It'd be a simple ECONOMIC issue - take all that emotional drama out of the equation (wait, that doesn't equate to ratings, now does it? hehe)
But then again, I'm not anti-muslim. I'm anti-dirtbag.
I'd chase dirtbags off my block, no matter what their nationality or 'intentions' or 'inherent beliefs'. Cause I don't give a shit about what people believe - I give a shit about how their actions affect me. I'd picket until they moved, as would my neighbors. period.
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my point... is that I know i'm just a rednexk POS lib shitbag.,.... but i'd be picketing if it came to my block. not because "i'm offended" or "it make my emotional vagina hurt"... no, because I don't want shady dirtbags on my block. And this dude is clearly a shady d-bag. So I wouldn't take that emotional route, begging others to be offended, trying to get pity, going on the news skwaking about "how wrong it is, even though it's legal!"
No, I'd picket wearing my bacon suit while stinking up the joint with champion nutrition in my shaker cup. I'd get my neighbors to do the same. When the media came out, I'd inform them "These folks are dirtbags bringing down the property value". It'd be a simple ECONOMIC issue - take all that emotional drama out of the equation (wait, that doesn't equate to ratings, now does it? hehe)
But then again, I'm not anti-muslim. I'm anti-dirtbag.
I'd chase dirtbags off my block, no matter what their nationality or 'intentions' or 'inherent beliefs'. Cause I don't give a shit about what people believe - I give a shit about how their actions affect me. I'd picket until they moved, as would my neighbors. period.
go call Lady Gaga and see if you can borrow her meat suit.
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Now your entire argument is based around my comment? Since when? First it was whether he was a moderate Muslim like you claimed (he's not). What's the matter, did you do some reading on the guy and realize he's a dirtbag and anything but a moderate?
Regardless, it depends on what your definition of terrorist is. He's clearly caused grief to a large number of people (including most of the 9/11 victim families) and has now taken to making subtle threats of violence and intimidation if he doesn't get his way. "Terrorist" works for me.
epic reading skills ::)
1st, you made the comment about rauf being a terrorist
2nd, Jag replied to the point made about him being a terrorist.
3rd, I then replied to Jag's question of, "So now Rauf is a terrorist" with a post that entirely addressed the issue of who was accusing him of that and my opinion of the accusation.
4th, you then attack me on the post I made addressing the terrorist accusation
5th, 333 then attacks me on the post I made addressing the terrorist accusation
6th, I challenged you to provide the proof of the accusation.
7th, you refused to provide any info and 333 offers to bump threads.
8th, NOW YOU'RE CALLING ME OUT FOR IT NOT BEING ABOUT THE TERRORIST ALLEGATIONS LOLOLOLOLOLOL
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go call Lady Gaga and see if you can borrow her meat suit.
do you see my point tho?
I would take the EMOTION out of it. Just say "this cat is gonna bring down NYC tourism value" and picket on those grounds :) :) :) :) :)
instead of getting on TV and crying about your feelings - oh brother - get on FOX and talk about how he'll hurt commerce, baby!
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do you see my point tho?
I would take the EMOTION out of it. Just say "this cat is gonna bring down NYC tourism value" and picket on those grounds :) :) :) :) :)
instead of getting on TV and crying about your feelings - oh brother - get on FOX and talk about how he'll hurt commerce, baby!
240 - peoples' feelings about the area of GZ is not about $$$$ any more than Pearl Harbor is about beaches.
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240 - peoples' feelings about the area of GZ is not about $$$$ any more than Pearl Harbor is about beaches.
Yeah, but our law system is not based on EMOTION - you know that better than anyone. And all emotion does it get everyone riled up to argue, and nothing ever gets done.
Yall tried the emotion card, and it didn't work. Epic FLAIL. [sic] We get that.
So, try the property value card :)
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Yeah, but our law system is not based on EMOTION - you know that better than anyone. And all emotion does it get everyone riled up to argue, and nothing ever gets done.
Yall tried the emotion card, and it didn't work. Epic FLAIL. [sic] We get that.
So, try the property value card :)
Rauf is now talking about moving it 240 - this thing is never going up.
bank on it.