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Now this is the kind of focus they need. It better be good.
GOP Prepares Release of New 'Contract' to Rollback Obama Agenda
Monday, 20 Sep 2010
House GOP leaders are set to unveil a new “Contract with America” this week that will define the goals of the Republican Party and lay out in detail the agenda they will pursue if they win control of the House and possibly, the Senate. Party spokesmen confirmed to The Hill Monday that they will unveil the new contract in Virginia on Thursday.
Based on leaks that emerged on Monday, the new document will represent nothing less than a rollback of the entire Obama agenda on healthcare, finance, and taxes.
The contract is modeled after the 1994 “Contract with America,” a document commonly credited with allowing the GOP to take control of the House that year and hold it until 2006. The new contract will borrow many of the ideas that have percolated up from the grass-roots tea party movement that stunned many Republicans this year with its performance in state primaries.
The most reliable projects thus far indicate that Republicans could win more than the 40 House seats they need to retake the House. Since the upset victory of Christine O’Donnell in the Delaware Senate primary last week, some have suggested that the GOP cannot take the Senate. But criticism of O’Donnell seems to have had the opposite effect, invigorating an already angry grass-roots movement and propelling a flood of donations into her campaign fund.
Republicans also are expected to increase their numbers in the Senate, though winning a majority in the upper chamber would be more difficult.
What’s in the new contract? House Minority Leader John Boehner has called for a two-year freeze in tax rates and a reduction in spending to 2008 levels. The Obama administration wants to extend middle-class tax cuts, but has indicated it would allow the taxes on families with incomes above $250,000 annually and individuals who earn more than $200,000 a year to go up.
The other big item will be the effort to repeal Obamacare, or at least severely defund its programs. Some Republicans have pressed for repeal of the healthcare reform law in favor of other types of reform. Still another program that could be on the chopping block would be the new Wall Street reform.
Republican candidates won't sign the new governing document as GOP candidates did in a highly publicized event in 1994, according to The Hill. But the new contract will provide the party with a list of items to take to voters ahead of the midterm elections in which Republicans hope to make major gains.
The new contract is ostensibly the result of a three-month-long listening session with the public online and through town hall meetings, dubbed "America Speaking Out," CNN reported, and is intended to show that House Republicans would have a governing agenda if rewarded with enough votes.
Though Republican leaders have stressed that they will not ignore the concerns of social conservatives, a senior GOP leadership aide working on the project told CNN that the new contract is mostly an economic reform documents.
Republican leaders plan to brief rank-and-file House members Wednesday on the details of the plan, which is being refined, according to the GOP sources.
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/boehner-contract-with-america/2010/09/20/id/370902
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Haven't read it yet, but here it is:
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/pledgetoamerica.pdf
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They should try focusing on actually fixing the problems that they claim Obama isn't working on
what's their plan for unemployment?
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Haven't read it yet, but here it is:
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/pledgetoamerica.pdf
the only mention I see about "jobs" are tax cuts
how will that create jobs
Bush presided over the biggest tax cuts in history and had the worst job creation record or any POTUS
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the founder of ask.com said tax rates never affected his decision to hire/fire.
whether it was 35% of 39%.
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the founder of ask.com said tax rates never affected his decision to hire/fire.
whether it was 35% of 39%.
Yeah ok 240 - guess what happens when his customers start getting sacked with higher taxes and don't have cash flow to spend in the economy, but is instead paying for the Stim Bill, ObamaCare, etc?
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Yeah ok 240 - guess what happens when his customers start getting sacked with higher taxes and don't have cash flow to spend in the economy, but is instead paying for the Stim Bill, ObamaCare, etc?
just say you know more about high level capital investment vs tax rates than the billionaire founder of ask.com
Do you?
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the only mention I see about "jobs" are tax cuts
how will that create jobs
Bush presided over the biggest tax cuts in history and had the worst job creation record or any POTUS
Actually no he didn't. There have been much larger tax cuts, much, much larger and when they were coupled with decreases in spending we saw are best growth every single time.
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just say you know more about high level capital investment vs tax rates than the billionaire founder of ask.com
Do you?
240 - YES or NO - since day 1 i have very accurately predicted the results of Obama's economic plans on the economy?
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Actually no he didn't. There have been much larger tax cuts, much, much larger and when they were coupled with decreases in spending we saw are best growth every single time.
can you give me specific examples of what you're referring to
it's definitely a fact that Bush had the worse job creation record of any modern POTUS
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/
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the only mention I see about "jobs" are tax cuts
how will that create jobs
Bush presided over the biggest tax cuts in history and had the worst job creation record or any POTUS
Really?52 consecutive months of job creation was the worst record in history?Obama hasnt had one month of job growth at all,Id say thats worse as was Jimmy Carters.Bus had an UE rate of about 4.5% at its highest ,Obamas is 9.6%.
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can you give me specific examples of what you're referring to
it's definitely a fact that Bush had the worse job creation record of any modern POTUS
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/
Yeah because he had a weak dollar policy, a lot of the employment was related to housing that got wrecked towards the end, the insane spending, the stupid growth of govt, bad trade deals, no manufacturing or industrial policy, etc.
If we want jobs here - we need to re-industrialize, focus on manufacturing, end all the green crap, end the EPA, get rid of class action suits and crap like that, etc etc.
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Really?52 consecutive months of job creation was the worst record in history?Obama hasnt had one month of job growth at all,Id say thats worse as was Jimmy Carters.Bus had an UE rate of about 4.5% at its highest ,Obamas is 9.6%.
I said recent history (though I think going back to 1939 is good enough)
Carter smoked Bush on job creation
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/
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can you give me specific examples of what you're referring to
it's definitely a fact that Bush had the worse job creation record of any modern POTUS
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/
Coolidge would be a good place to start.
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Coolidge would be a good place to start.
the Labor Department didn't start keeping payroll records until 1939
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the Labor Department didn't start keeping payroll records until 1939
We should abolish the Labor Department and/or Unions IMHO. There is no reason for both at the same time, as well as state labor departments, counrty, city, etc. Its more tax inducing BS. .
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I said recent history (though I think going back to 1939 is good enough)
Carter smoked Bush on job creation
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/
Ha,ha,ha Carter had gas lines a mile long and inflation through the roof and his UE rate was twice what Bushs' was and the misery index had to be created because of him.Once again,Bush had 52 consecutive months of job growth coming off the Clinton recession and 911.His presidency was very good until Pelosi and the filthy dems took over.
By the way Carters economy was the worst in the countries history other then the depression,how did tax cuts work under Reagan when he single handidly saved the economy and single handidly defeated the Soviet Union.
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Ha,ha,ha Carter had gas lines a mile long and inflation through the roof and his UE rate was twice what Bushs' was and the misery index had to be created because of him.Once again,Bush had 52 consecutive months of job growth coming off the Clinton recession and 911.His presidency was very good until Pelosi and the filthy dems took over.
By the way Carters economy was the worst in the countries history other then the depression,how did tax cuts work under Reagan when he single handidly saved the economy and single handidly defeated the Soviet Union.
look at the job creation numbers
All Reagan did was run up the debt and deficit and he also had a large tax increase on business in 1982, higher payroll taxes in 1983 (taxed the working man to pay the lost revenue from upper income tax cuts) and higher energy taxes in 1984. I think Reagan was also the first POTUS to borrower from social security trust fund
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look at the job creation numbers
All Reagan did was run up the debt and deficit and he also had a large tax increase on business in 1982, higher payroll taxes in 1983 (taxed the working man to pay the lost revenue from upper income tax cuts) and higher energy taxes in 1984. I think Reagan was also the first POTUS to borrower from social security trust fund
I never remember Reagan having a misery index or having to give a "Malaise" speech, but thats me.
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I never remember Reagan having a misery index or having to give a "Malaise" speech, but thats me.
he just ran up the debt and deficit, raised taxes and borrower ed from social security
oh yeah and illegally sold weapons to Iran
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the only mention I see about "jobs" are tax cuts
how will that create jobs
Bush presided over the biggest tax cuts in history and had the worst job creation record or any POTUS
the problem is straw the continually changing business world...the reason businesses arent hiring is the same reason ppl arent investing and banks arent lending b/c they dont know whats going to happen...
now there is always a certaint amount of uncertainty in life but the policies this administration has passed and the agenda it chooses to pursue or contemplate are actively creating more uncertainty and more instability...
jobs will start to come back when stability returns b/c with stability comes confidence...
you want to blame someone for lack of job growth, you should start with obama and the dems...
repealing the health care bill would indeed rid businesses of a certaint amount of uncertainty...
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he just ran up the debt and deficit, raised taxes and borrower ed from social security
oh yeah and illegally sold weapons to Iran
Do you want me to recount the wonderful deeds of Clinton, starting with the repeal of Glass Steagal?
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You guys can argue back and forth about this POTUS or that POTUS, truth of the matter is, if the federal government spent the taxes they collect on what they are constitutional mandated to the country would not be all fucked up.
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Do you want me to recount the wonderful deeds of Clinton, starting with the repeal of Glass Steagal?
haven't I alreayd told you multiple times that I blame Clinton for deregulation of the financial markets
shit - I think I told you that just a couple of days ago
so since we alreayd agree on Clinton why don't we go back and look at Reagans contribution to the current mess:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/opinion/01krugman.html
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They should try focusing on actually fixing the problems that they claim Obama isn't working on
what's their plan for unemployment?
What are you babbling about? Obama hasn't fixed anything. All the problems we had under Bush and a Democratic dominated congress are worse now. Therefore, the nation has to back track to the beginning of Obama's presidency and correct all his wrongs. THEN, all the issues that Obama keeps avoiding because he doesn't know what to do.
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the problem is straw the continually changing business world...the reason businesses arent hiring is the same reason ppl arent investing and banks arent lending b/c they dont know whats going to happen...
now there is always a certaint amount of uncertainty in life but the policies this administration has passed and the agenda it chooses to pursue or contemplate are actively creating more uncertainty and more instability...
jobs will start to come back when stability returns b/c with stability comes confidence...
you want to blame someone for lack of job growth, you should start with obama and the dems...
repealing the health care bill would indeed rid businesses of a certaint amount of uncertainty...
I agree with most of what you have written
I'm sure we can agree that the healthcare legislation didn't cause the unemployment problem so
tell me what Obama should have done to stimulate job growth
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haven't I alreayd told you multiple times that I blame Clinton for deregulation of the financial markets
shit - I think I told you that just a couple of days ago
so since we alreayd agree on Clinton why don't we go back and look at Reagans contribution to the current mess:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/opinion/01krugman.html
Krugman has as much credibility on economic issues as Obama does on international peace.
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What are you babbling about? Obama hasn't fixed anything. All the problems we had under Bush and a Democratic dominated congress are worse now. Therefore, the nation has to back track to the beginning of Obama's presidency and correct all his wrongs. THEN, all the issues that Obama keeps avoiding because he doesn't know what to do.
did I say in my short post that he had fixed anything?
I said what will they do to fix the problems that they claim he isn't working on
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Krugman has as much credibility on economic issues as Obama does on international peace.
so you saw his name and didn't bother to read it
that's fine
what points in the article do you disagree with?
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so you saw his name and didn't bother to read it
that's fine
what points in the article do you disagree with?
I saw his name and insantly was reminded of some of my deluded obamabot friends who read nothing beyond what Krugman posts, regardless of how contradictory, disheveled, and nonsensical his articles are.
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did I say in my short post that he had fixed anything?
I said what will they do to fix the problems that they claim he isn't working on
You used the word "claim". It is not a claim. It is a fact that he has not addressed the most pressing needs since his presidency began.
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You used the word "claim". It is not a claim. It is a fact that he has not addressed the most pressing needs since his presidency began.
I used the word claim because that it what it is
if you have an actual fact then state it
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ZERO mention of earmarks in the republican plan. They think they'll be running the senate/house next year and they sure want to enjoy the dem pork :(
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ZERO mention of earmarks in the republican plan. They think they'll be running the senate/house next year and they sure want to enjoy the dem pork :(
OK where is the Dem plan, oh thats right there isn't one ::)
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You used the word "claim". It is not a claim. It is a fact that he has not addressed the most pressing needs since his presidency began.
That's not true... The fact is that he has "addressed" those pressing needs. He just hasn't done it in the manner that you agree with.
That's a fact.
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I agree with most of what you have written
I'm sure we can agree that the healthcare legislation didn't cause the unemployment problem so
tell me what Obama should have done to stimulate job growth
he should have stabilized the economy and tried to keep all things constant until the economy was back up and going. Now i understand politically why obama didnt wait b/c he saw the chance to get a number of his agenda points addressed and jumped at the chance but he did so at the cost of jobs and the economy...
did you know that every year of mid term elections since 1930 the markets have rallied...they just lowered their S&P projection for the end of the year...does that tell you anything?
he needed to give as much stability to businesses as possible as well as giving incentives to them tax credits(which he has to an extent) for asset purchases, cutting payroll taxes, leaving taxes for businesses alone for the time being...
instead he has passed a health care bill that by the vast majority of estimates will increase cost for businesses and individuals in general...
he has constanty contemplated cap and trade which injects even more uncertainty into the business market
he is playing with letting the bush tax cuts expire which again injects more instability into the business market..
the list goes on and on straw...you know many many ppl say that obama is anti business and I dont know if he is anti business or just not thinking about the consequences of his actinos but the fact is the moves he is making right now are not helping employment and the economy they are actively hurting them...
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the Labor Department didn't start keeping payroll records until 1939
That's fine but we still know what the tax rates were, what the percentages were, etc. Fact, under Harding and then Coolidge, Americans paid over 50% less in taxes than they did under Wilson and we know it was one of the lowest taxed periods in American history. We know that the 20's was the most rapid expansion of the U.S. economy and industry in the countries existence and we know Hoover and congress shot it down and FDR prolonged it.
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he just ran up the debt and deficit, raised taxes and borrower ed from social security
oh yeah and illegally sold weapons to Iran
That's all he did? Really? You obviously know little about his terms as President or you're just (I hope) being a snarky jack-ass. Either way you aren't making yourself look very good and you're hurting your credibility.
If you are going to make an intellectually ignorant statement such as that, you may want to stop calling other peoples statements stupid as well.