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Getbig Misc Too Board => Getbig Comments Suggestions Complaints Board => Topic started by: Arnold jr on September 20, 2010, 10:32:47 PM
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Hugo, why move a thread like the one titled "Does President Obama Think Our Rights Come From Our Creator" when the discussion of rights is obviously a political issue, so why move it?
You have two sides of the coin, one side says any religious discussion in regards to politics isn't politically relevant. The other side says it is very relevant, especially since our founding documents express it.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"
See my point here? We have The Declaration of Independence, a document of great political discussion that happens to have a strong statement in regards to God that holds it together. The document establishes we have truths, by these truths we have rights, from the truth that we derive these rights they are granted to us by God...do you see what I'm getting at here?
I'm not trying to be difficult, but political thinking and religious thinking often go hand-in-hand to a degree, especially in the case of the example above.
You can think what you like, you can think there is no place for it, that's your belief, but to deny discussion about it politically, that is silencing the voice of the other side of the coin simply because you don't agree with them.
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Why are they all being moved ?
As Arnold Jr, said, they are of Political topics, that include Religion, but they belong on here.
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Why are all they being moved ?
As Arnold Jr, said, they are of Political topics, that include Religion, but they belong on here.
I think Hugo got upset over the mosque issue and his long standing beef with Bezerk.
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I think Hugo got upset over the mosque issue and his long standing beef with Bezerk.
Isn't Hugo's former getbig name Bezerker? They're brothers. They should kiss and make up.
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They're getting moved because Hugo is a product of the socialist, leftist, Muslim-worshiping MSM and he espouses all the points the talking heads in the press do. He claims there's an "anti-Islam agenda in the MSM" yet when pressed to provide proof his only evidence is that he "just feels there is". Meanwhile, studies show that the bias of the mosque coverage as pro-Mosque supporters overwhelmingly get the majority of airtime while the MSM continues to smear 71% of Americans as islamophobic bigots.
That and he's just an immature crybaby whose only success in life is moderating this board.
Notice how Samson's Christian and Jew bashing threads never get moved, though? ::)
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I think Hugo is obsessed with his persona. In Venezuela, Hugo Chavez is an important fellow. On getbig.com, Hugo Chavez is an invisible stench that removes threads. However, being a moderator on getbig.com is serious business and anyone that goes by the name "Hugo Chavez" can't afford to have his image tarnished or his deeply held personal beliefs bashed on a daily basis. For example, Hugo hates jews. Hugo also hates non-minorities and non- gays. So any thread that isn't anti jew/ pro muslim, anti white/ pro minority, anti heterosexual= automatically becomes a religious issue and is moved accordingly.
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I think Hugo is obsessed with his persona. In Venezuela, Hugo Chavez is an important fellow. On getbig.com, Hugo Chavez is an invisible stench that removes threads. However, being a moderator on getbig.com is serious business and anyone that goes by the name "Hugo Chavez" can't afford to have his image tarnished or his deeply held personal beliefs bashed on a daily basis. For example, Hugo hates jews. Hugo also hates non-minorities and non- gays. So any thread that isn't anti jew/ pro muslim, anti white/ pro minority, anti heterosexual= automatically becomes a religious issue and is moved accordingly.
Hahaha! How pathetic it is for a 40-year-old man to idolize another grown man like a boy does a comic book superhero.
Remember kids, it's not racist or bigoted to bash Christians, Jews, whites or Americans. They're evil and deserve it!
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I can understand if the thread is strictly about Religion, but if is is also based on Political views, and its effects, it should not be moved.
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I can understand if the thread is strictly about Religion, but if is is also based on Political views, and its effects, it should not be moved.
exactly, but a thread about palins daughter on dancing with the stars and palin not being there doesnt get moved?
come on now if there is a political connection it needs to stay there needs to be guidelines followed for all threads not just ones about religion(which didnt become a problem until islam threads became prevelant)
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exactly, but a thread about palins daughter on dancing with the stars and palin not being there doesnt get moved?
come on now if there is a political connection it needs to stay there needs to be guidelines followed for all threads not just ones about religion(which didnt become a problem until islam threads became prevelant)
Because its completely subjective.
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The issue of the Dec of Inde. to me was a no-brainer not to move.
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exactly, but a thread about palins daughter on dancing with the stars and palin not being there doesnt get moved?
come on now if there is a political connection it needs to stay there needs to be guidelines followed for all threads not just ones about religion(which didnt become a problem until islam threads became prevelant)
Is this now GetBigChina.com ?
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I can understand if the thread is strictly about Religion, but if is is also based on Political views, and its effects, it should not be moved.
Correct. There is not going to be any censorship of threads because they mention or involve religion. If the topics are political in nature or even remotely political they are fine, like they always have been.
We give people lots of leeway here. For example, SamsonJag posts anti-American crap all the time. And it stays. I've actually had a member ask me to ban him/her because of this, and I refused.
For the most part, the board runs just fine. People who are hypersensitive about "God" (uh oh, I said it) or any other issue need to man up and quit crying.
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Correct. There is not going to be any censorship of threads because they mention or involve religion. If the topics are political in nature or even remotely political they are fine, like they always have been.
We give people lots of leeway here. For example, SamsonJag posts anti-American crap all the time. And it stays. I've actually had a member ask me to ban him/her because of this, and I refused.
For the most part, the board runs just fine. People who are hypersensitive about "God" (uh oh, I said it) or any other issue need to man up and quit crying.
Thanks Beach Bum
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I think Hugo is obsessed with his persona. In Venezuela, Hugo Chavez is an important fellow. On getbig.com, Hugo Chavez is an invisible stench that removes threads. However, being a moderator on getbig.com is serious business and anyone that goes by the name "Hugo Chavez" can't afford to have his image tarnished or his deeply held personal beliefs bashed on a daily basis. For example, Hugo hates jews. Hugo also hates non-minorities and non- gays. So any thread that isn't anti jew/ pro muslim, anti white/ pro minority, anti heterosexual= automatically becomes a religious issue and is moved accordingly.
what a crock of pure bullshit.
I don't hate jews ::)
I'm not pro muslim ::)
I don't give a shit about what gays do ::)
anti hetro, oh brother ::)
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Seriously man? You moved this thread too?
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Seriously man? You moved this thread too?
this thread goes here. You have a complaint with what I'm doing as mod. this is where this thread belongs. If Ron wants me to change what I'm doing, I'll change it, no problem. This is the board to do that Arnold. It's not an attack on you to move it here.
I did leave a link to this thread in political but it appears one of the other mods deleted it.
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this thread goes here. You have a complaint with what I'm doing as mod. this is where this thread belongs. If Ron wants me to change what I'm doing, I'll change it, no problem. This is the board to do that Arnold. It's not an attack on you to move it here.
Didn't take it as an attack on me at all.
It wasn't really a complaint against you either, it was an observation and discussion as to what constitutes political talk and what does not. I started the thread to explain how I believe when speaking of rights, which fall under political discussion, just because the topic of God comes up in a discussion about rights does not make it a religious discussion. For a lot of people and I would say the majority, rights and God are interchangeable.
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I have no intention of stalking every thread for the first mention of god just so I can move it. But obviously some people will now find it harder to go on a religious crusade in political. I've also watched a lot of threads just turn into religious debates despite what the original post might have contained. Religion is now right there in political, there's no reason that kind of stuff can't go there. It's not going to kill people to click the link at the top of the forum and post there on that kind of stuff or religious bitches.
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this thread goes here. You have a complaint with what I'm doing as mod. this is where this thread belongs. If Ron wants me to change what I'm doing, I'll change it, no problem. This is the board to do that Arnold. It's not an attack on you to move it here.
I did leave a link to this thread in political but it appears one of the other mods deleted it.
Oh please. Ozmo hasn't been on all day and it wasn't me. That leaves you. ::)
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Oh please. Ozmo hasn't been on all day and it wasn't me. That leaves you. ::)
I honestly don't think I did it. If it's that important have ron look into it. I thought for sure I left one there. It's an easy fix anyway. If it wasn't you and Ozmo was gone, I'll just repost it.
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I have no intention of stalking every thread for the first mention of god just so I can move it. But obviously some people will now find it harder to go on a religious crusade in political. I've also watched a lot of threads just turn into religious debates despite what the original post might have contained. Religion is now right there in political, there's no reason that kind of stuff can't go there. It's not going to kill people to click the link at the top of the forum and post there on that kind of stuff or religious bitches.
You're not getting what I'm saying at all.
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You're not getting what I'm saying at all.
and you're not getting what I'm saying at all which is why this thread belongs here. If Ron doesn't like what I'm doing he can say so and it's problem solved. It's simple.
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and you're not getting what I'm saying at all which is why this thread belongs here. If Ron doesn't like what I'm doing he can say so and it's problem solved. It's simple.
dude the politics board has long been a board which tries to solve its problems in house b/c there arent that many regulars and those that are regulars have a vested interest in how the board is run.
Its curious to many why now of all times this rule goes into effect, why other threads such as this one are allowed to stay...
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=349053.0
we need guidelines not, if "I" feel that a thread is to religious im going to move it...I felt the same way about the palin threads that had absolutely nothing to do with politics and you wouldnt move a muscle for those and I didnt even want them deleted or moved just merged...but now youre moving threads left and right...come on dude.
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and you're not getting what I'm saying at all which is why this thread belongs here. If Ron doesn't like what I'm doing he can say so and it's problem solved. It's simple.
I get exactly what you're saying. You're saying some threads get too religious, yet I'm saying that is not the case in all cases even if the thread takes a strong religious tone.
Again, I'll use the thread in question as an example, it is impossible for many to talk about "Rights" and it is absolutely impossible for anyone to talk about the Deceleration of Independence in regards to "Rights" without talking about God and God's involvement or rather the importance or lack of importance, depending on the persons beliefs, without discussing religious aspects. So many political ideas and thoughts are intertwined with this because our faith or absence of faith shape how we view and see many issues and the world around us in general.
Issues such as rights in general, founding documents of the U.S., and social issues, will always carry religious arguments along with them...issues of war, issues of terrorism, issues of cultural effects and consequences will always carry issues of a religious nature with them...it is impossible for them to not. The only way they cannot carry a religious nature with them is if only people who view religion as irrelevant are allowed to speak.
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Threads regarding politics should stay on the politics boards.
Threads regarding religion and items like that (whether Jews, Muslims, Christian) can go to the Religious Debate board.
But yes, it does get murky when the two cross each other.
If it is political, keep it on that board.
if it trends more religious, move it
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Threads regarding politics should stay on the politics boards.
Threads regarding religion and items like that (whether Jews, Muslims, Christian) can go to the Religious Debate board.
But yes, it does get murky when the two cross each other.
If it is political, keep it on that board.
if it trends more religious, move it
I think the argument between Hugo and I is when does it cross the line in a political argument into becoming strictly a religious argument. Like I said before, it's impossible to talk about the U.S. founding documents without a religious nature when those documents have those types of things in there and when some of them are based off of religious principles.
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Arnold, I'm not going to move things just because god or some other religion was mentioned. But if it looks like that's what people are wanting to talk about in the thread, I'm going to move it. I think that's in line with what Ron just said. I don't want to see people using political for a religious crusade which some have done and they've gotten away with because there is a "politcal connection" If I get the sense that everything someone is posting is done to voice religious beefs, well it's the wrong forum for that and I'm going to point them toward religon. This is one of the hardest things to make a judgement call on. I might make some mistakes and probably have already. the best I can do is to say that I'll do my best to not move something that shouldn't be moved. But if someone is on a crusade only posting to attack a religion, it might get moved because as I said, political is not the place for a religious crusade. We're not at war with a religion and until the president declares war on a religion, political shouldn't be used as the headquarters for a campaign againt a religion.
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Threads regarding politics should stay on the politics boards.
Threads regarding religion and items like that (whether Jews, Muslims, Christian) can go to the Religious Debate board.
But yes, it does get murky when the two cross each other.
If it is political, keep it on that board.
if it trends more religious, move it
The Grand Poobah has spoken. :)
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If an issue involving politics that are deeply entrenched in religion is posted, so be it. As long as its creating discussion/debate why relegate it to another board? To me it just comes across as sour grapes that the thread isn't in alignment with what the person moving thinks it should be.
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If an issue involving politics that are deeply entrenched in religion is posted, so be it. As long as its creating discussion/debate why relegate it to another board? To me it just comes across as sour grapes that the thread isn't in alignment with what the person moving thinks it should be.
Agreed, especially if it's a topic/story that is covered by, wait for it, political news papers/mags/TV shows.
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If an issue involving politics that are deeply entrenched in religion is posted, so be it. As long as its creating discussion/debate why relegate it to another board? To me it just comes across as sour grapes that the thread isn't in alignment with what the person moving thinks it should be.
Truth.
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The problem is that Hugo Chavez is far too immature and biased to be in a position of determining whether a thread is "religious in nature" or not. He has long since taken to moving any thread involving Islam while he continually leaves up, and even posts in, threads bashing Christians and Jews started by the likes of Samson and Hugo's own gimmick accounts.
For example, he moved a thread about a man being fired for burning a Koran on 9/11 while he was off work. Religious thread? No. First amendment thread? Yes. Involves Islam? Yes. Well, Hugo thinks it needs to moved then. It's clear that, much like the MSM, he is pushing a pro-Muslim, anti-Christian/Jew/White/American agenda and it really has no business on this forum.
He's an immature crybaby, a troll and derails more threads than anyone else on the board. Why keep him as moderator when Ozmo and Beach Bum were doing the job fine when Hugo disappeared for six months?
And I'm definitely not the only one that thinks the politics board goes to shit every time Hugo and his gimmicks start posting again.
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The problem is that Hugo Chavez is far too immature and biased to be in a position of determining whether a thread is "religious in nature" or not. He has long since taken to moving any thread involving Islam while he continually leaves up, and even posts in, threads bashing Christians and Jews started by the likes of Samson and Hugo's own gimmick accounts.
For example, he moved a thread about a man being fired for burning a Koran on 9/11 while he was off work. Religious thread? No. First amendment thread? Yes. Involves Islam? Yes. Well, Hugo thinks it needs to moved then. It's clear that, much like the MSM, he is pushing a pro-Muslim, anti-Christian/Jew/White/American agenda and it really has no business on this forum.
He's an immature crybaby, a troll and derails more threads than anyone else on the board. Why keep him as moderator when Ozmo and Beach Bum were doing the job fine when Hugo disappeared for six months?
And I'm definitely not the only one that thinks the politics board goes to shit every time Hugo and his gimmicks start posting again.
Bump.
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bump
::) ohhh... loook at me, look at me hahahaha...
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The problem is that Hugo Chavez is far too immature and biased to be in a position of determining whether a thread is "religious in nature" or not. He has long since taken to moving any thread involving Islam while he continually leaves up, and even posts in, threads bashing Christians and Jews started by the likes of Samson and Hugo's own gimmick accounts.
For example, he moved a thread about a man being fired for burning a Koran on 9/11 while he was off work. Religious thread? No. First amendment thread? Yes. Involves Islam? Yes. Well, Hugo thinks it needs to moved then. It's clear that, much like the MSM, he is pushing a pro-Muslim, anti-Christian/Jew/White/American agenda and it really has no business on this forum.
He's an immature crybaby, a troll and derails more threads than anyone else on the board. Why keep him as moderator when Ozmo and Beach Bum were doing the job fine when Hugo disappeared for six months?
And I'm definitely not the only one that thinks the politics board goes to shit every time Hugo and his gimmicks start posting again.
Bump.