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Jimmy Carter Says US More Polarized Than During Civil War
Republican Redifined ^ | 9/21/10 | T. CHRISTOPHER
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In day where Jimmy Carter stole headlines for referring to his own tenure post-presidency as “superior” to that of other presidents, I thought it was somewhat disappointing that his real mind-bender was seemingly overlooked – even though it came in the very same interview as his other absolutely ridiculous comments. Remarking on the “state” of the United States, after being asked by Brian Williams if he views it as “glass half-full or half-empty”, Carter said he thought President Obama suffers from a Washington that has become more polarized than it was during the time of Abraham Lincoln and the “initiation of the ‘war between the states.’”
“This country has become so polarized that its almost astonishing…. Not only with the red and blue states… President Obama suffers from the most polarized situation in Washington that we have ever seen – even maybe than the time of Abraham Lincoln and the initiation of the war between the states.”
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Oh I wonder why? ::) ::)
Its called 50% of the population demanding that the other 50% pay for for them to sit on their ass and do nothing.
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Jimmuh is loving this admn.
No longer will he be considered the worst POTUS ever.
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any of the old folks here - who lived thru race riots, etc - agree or disagree?
I think the hate is more visible since everyone's on message boards bitching - but at the same time, people actually marched all the time against the iraq war. the vietnam war rallies? huge.
Today, it's a FOX-sponsored beck rally that gets 87k to 300k viewers for a pepsi-sponsored series of coordinated speeches.
hell, in WWII, AMERICANS were thrown in camps.
I think ppl are being a tad dramatic about today's divisions. I mean, in the South, KKK were stringing ppl up from trees as the sheriff's stood by and smoked stogies. Shit is definitely not that bad today.
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He's right about being a very good ex-pres. Too bad he couldn't have skipped being president and gone straight to ex-president.
That said, he shouldn't be patting himself on the back. There is a saying: "let another man praise you; a stranger and not your own lips."
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Its called 50% of the population demanding that the other 50% pay for for them to sit on their ass and do nothing.
By the time 2012 rolls around, it'll be 51% demanding the other 49% pay.
Or even better (for obama), 60% demanding the other 40% pay for them. How will that 60% vote? You know how.
it's like having the prison system - a private company - also run the local police and courthouse. They capture, prosecute, and imprison as many ppl as they want - it's all profit. Likewise, the more govt-dependent voters obama can create, the better he'll do in 2012.
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By the time 2012 rolls around, it'll be 51% demanding the other 49% pay.
Or even better (for obama), 60% demanding the other 40% pay for them. How will that 60% vote? You know how.
it's like having the prison system - a private company - also run the local police and courthouse. They capture, prosecute, and imprison as many ppl as they want - it's all profit. Likewise, the more govt-dependent voters obama can create, the better he'll do in 2012.
OTHER THEN BLACKS,MOST PEOPLE WANT TO WORK.THEY WILL RESENT THAT THERE IS A PRESIDENT IN THERE WHO IS PURPOSELY DESTROYING THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
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OTHER THEN BLACKS,MOST PEOPLE WANT TO WORK.
dude?
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dude?
Have you checked UE for blacks vs. whites?There must be a reason.
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Have you checked UE for blacks vs. whites?There must be a reason.
The community communist traitor is too stupid to realize that the ones most hurt by his communist/marxist policies are those at the bottom.
But blacks being the useful idiots and slaves for the dem plantation that they are, will keep supporting Obama no matter what, even if he has a white sheet on.
Sad but true.
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Carters teeth are so yellow, cars yield when they drive by that sign.... go back to 1976 you miserable failure of a president.
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Bahahah, this douche thinks he has accomplished something after his presidency? He's more delusional than your average Getdumber.
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Carter and Obama are Dumb & Dumber
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seriously - do yall think the nation is 'more divided' today than we were in the Vietnam or the Civil Rights times?
I mean, there was a draft sending kids to die for the military machine "communism" oh brother, on a war based on the admitted Tonken Gulf lie.
And in the south, people lynched and burned crosses.
And during WWII... I think the japanese and other americans were a TAD more divided lol... hence the camps.
I know "people are angry".... but really... until tea party members are lynching people, until kids are coming home in bodybags, until there are camps set up for conservatives... i wouldn't consider the place all that divided.
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seriously - do yall think the nation is 'more divided' today than we were in the Vietnam or the Civil Rights times?
I mean, there was a draft sending kids to die for the military machine "communism" oh brother, on a war based on the admitted Tonken Gulf lie.
And in the south, people lynched and burned crosses.
And during WWII... I think the japanese and other americans were a TAD more divided lol... hence the camps.
I know "people are angry".... but really... until tea party members are lynching people, until kids are coming home in bodybags, until there are camps set up for conservatives... i wouldn't consider the place all that divided.
YES!!!I think the nation is more devided now then ever!!!The differance is now its the right thats pissed off,so you wont see violence or crime as only the left wing idiots engage in that.Right wingers simply vote and the buisiness' they run refuse to hire.We dont burn shit down like the loony left does.
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YES!!!I think the nation is more devided now then ever!!!The differance is now its the right thats pissed off,so you wont see violence or crime as only the left wing idiots engage in that.Right wingers simply vote and the buisiness' they run refuse to hire.We dont burn shit down like the loony left does.
was it left-wingers stringing up ppl in trees in the south? hahaha um no.
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was it left-wingers stringing up ppl in trees in the south? hahaha um no.
How do you know? The left has been responsible for more mass murder than anyone in modern history.
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How do you know? The left has been responsible for more mass murder than anyone in modern history.
link?
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link?
STalin, Lenin, Pol pot, Castro, Mao, Cambodia, etc.
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link?
Oh for fuck sake
Stalin/Communist Russia/Left
Mao/Communist China/Left
Hitler/Socialist Germany/Left
Pol Pot/Communist Cambodia/Left
Shall I go on or do you get the picture?
And you claim to have the same level or education as Obama. Well that explains why you don't know shit from shinola
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STalin, Lenin, Pol pot, Castro, Mao, Cambodia, etc.
i see... we're going world history. can we include the far-right lunatics of the good book that have been smashing skulls with rocks since the beginning of time in the name of religion? Hell, are muslim extremists right- or left-wing? They sway right on plenty of issues.
Carter was wrong here. It's that simple. People whining on message boards today are nothing as bad as things were with japanese internship camps, race riots, and race lynchings. it's just too drama queen to say "but they're MADDER today" because they ain't doing shit but attending made-for-tv ralllies in small numbers.
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i see... we're going world history. can we include the far-right lunatics of the good book that have been smashing skulls with rocks since the beginning of time in the name of religion? Hell, are muslim extremists right- or left-wing? They sway right on plenty of issues.
Carter was wrong here. It's that simple. People whining on message boards today are nothing as bad as things were with japanese internship camps, race riots, and race lynchings. it's just too drama queen to say "but they're MADDER today" because they ain't doing shit but attending made-for-tv ralllies in small numbers.
I believe I said modern history, you know the 20th century. Your as bad a Jesse Jackson except you use the religion card at any and all opportunities.
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i've turned into a lib pussy in the last few years
;D
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I believe I said modern history, you know the 20th century. Your as bad a Jesse Jackson except you use the religion card at any and all opportunities.
ok, i didn't know we were limiting it to worldwide in the last 100 years. i'd prefer just america, but i dont know those stats.
i think the religion card SHOULD NOT be used as much as it is. Bush consulting God - but not rumsfeld - before invading iraq... clinton carrying a bible with the cover out for the camera... i hate that shit.
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;D
wow, at this point, it's more about personal attacks than it is debates..... that's the 10th time you've posted that in 2 days, james. Creepy.
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ok, i didn't know we were limiting it to worldwide in the last 100 years. i'd prefer just america, but i dont know those stats.
i think the religion card SHOULD NOT be used as much as it is. Bush consulting God - but not rumsfeld - before invading iraq... clinton carrying a bible with the cover out for the camera... i hate that shit.
Yet you never say a word about pelosi and "The Word". go figure. ::) ::)
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wow, at this point, it's more about personal attacks than it is debates..... that's the 10th time you've posted that in 2 days, james. Creepy.
you lie, its only 9
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Yet you never say a word about pelosi and "The Word". go figure. ::) ::)
what's pelosi's word? lol have you EVER heard me defend her ignorant ass?
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you lie, it only 9
i stand corrected. ;D
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what's pelosi's word? lol have you EVER heard me defend her ignorant ass?
Look it up.
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i stand corrected. ;D
no problem ;D
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Look it up.
i dont need to. i (again) categorically declare everything pelosi has ever said to be full of shite. therefore any 'word' she has to say falls under the FOS umbrella.
i've been hating anti gun pricks like her, boxer and fineswine since the clinton years. you know i never have nice things to say about them.
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ok, i didn't know we were limiting it to worldwide in the last 100 years. i'd prefer just america, but i dont know those stats.
i think the religion card SHOULD NOT be used as much as it is. Bush consulting God - but not rumsfeld - before invading iraq... clinton carrying a bible with the cover out for the camera... i hate that shit.
upwards of 100 million. If you just want to limit to America, I really don't know what you would call the KKK, they originated as a social club after the civil war by disillusioned southerners, before they became the hate group. Who put the japanese in camps? FDR - democrat and about as left leaning as you can get, I would go so far as to say socialist. Who got the US into Vietnam? Kennedy Democrat, LBJ another far left Dem who escalated it. The new deal, the great society...... all horse shit leftist policies that have lead America to point we are at now. Now we get Obama, why the need to defend him? He has done a shitty job. He is just another in a long line of far left/socialist dems who will unleash another bunch of entitlements that have to be paid for by the working class. It doesn't work and it is not sustainable, fact not fiction.
Yes I can go on but whats the point?
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i think the religion card SHOULD NOT be used as much as it is. Bush consulting God - but not rumsfeld - before invading iraq... clinton carrying a bible with the cover out for the camera... i hate that shit.
lol. The president carried a Bible. Stop the presses. We have some hypersensitive sissies in this country. :-\
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The Carter-Obama Comparisons Grow
Walter Mondale himself sees a parallel..Article Comments (153) more in Opinion ».EmailPrintSave This ↓ More.
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By JOHN FUND
Comparisons between the Obama White House and the failed presidency of Jimmy Carter are increasingly being made—and by Democrats.
Walter Mondale, Mr. Carter's vice president, told The New Yorker this week that anxious and angry voters in the late 1970s "just turned against us—same as with Obama." As the polls turned against his administration, Mr. Mondale recalled that Mr. Carter "began to lose confidence in his ability to move the public." Democrats on Capitol Hill are now saying this is happening to Mr. Obama.
Mr. Mondale says it's time for the president "to get rid of those teleprompters and connect" with voters. Another of Mr. Obama's clear errors has been to turn over the drafting of key legislation to the Democratic Congress: "That doesn't work even when you own Congress," he said. "You have to ride 'em."
Former President Jimmy Carter
.Mr. Carter himself is heightening comparisons with his own presidency by publishing his White House diaries this week. "I overburdened Congress with an array of controversial and politically costly requests," he said on Monday. The parallels to Mr. Obama's experience are clear.
Comparisons between the two men were made frequently during the 2008 campaign, but in a favorable way. Princeton University historian Sean Wilentz, for instance, told Fox News in August 2008 that Mr. Obama's "rhetoric is more like Jimmy Carter's than any other Democratic president in recent memory." Syndicated columnist Jonah Goldberg noted more recently that Mr. Obama, like Mr. Carter in his 1976 campaign, "promised a transformational presidency, a new accommodation with religion, a new centrism, a changed tone."
But within a few months, liberals were already finding fault with his rhetoric. "He's the great earnest bore at the dinner party," wrote Michael Wolff, a contributor to Vanity Fair. "He's cold; he's prickly; he's uncomfortable; he's not funny; and he's getting awfully tedious. He thinks it's all about him." That sounds like a critique of Mr. Carter.
Foreign policy experts are also picking up on similarities. Walter Russell Mead, then a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, told the Economist magazine earlier this year that Mr. Obama is "avoiding the worst mistakes that plagued Carter." But he warns that presidents like Mr. Obama who emphasize "human rights" can fall prey to the temptation of picking on weak countries while ignoring more dire human rights issues in powerful countries (Russia, China, Iran). Over time that can "hollow out an administration's credibility and make a president look weak." Mr. Mead warned that Mr. Obama's foreign policy "to some degree makes him dependent on people who wish neither him nor America well. This doesn't have to end badly and I hope that it doesn't—but it's not an ideal position after one's first year in power."
Liberals increasingly can't avoid making connections between Mr. Carter's political troubles and those of Mr. Obama. In July, MSNBC's Chris Matthews asked his guests if Democrats up for re-election will "run away from President O'Carter." After much laughter, John Heileman of New York Magazine quipped "Calling Dr. Freud." To which Mr. Matthews, a former Carter speechwriter, sighed "I know."
Pat Caddell, who was Mr. Carter's pollster while he was in the White House, thinks some comparisons between the two men are overblown. But he notes that any White House that is sinking in the polls takes on a "bunker mentality" that leads the president to become isolated and consult with fewer and fewer people from the outside. Mr. Caddell told me that his Democratic friends think that's happening to Mr. Obama—and that the president's ability to pull himself out of a political tailspin is hampered by his resistance to seek out fresh thinking.
The Obama White House is clearly cognizant of the comparisons being made between the two presidents. This month, environmental activist Bill McKibben met with White House aides to convince them to reinstall a set of solar panels that Mr. Carter had placed on the White House roof. They were taken down in 1986 following roof repairs. Mr. McKibben said it was time to bring them back to demonstrate Mr. Obama's support for alternative energy.
But Mr. McKibben told reporters that the White House "refused to take the Carter-era panel that we brought with us" and only said that they would continue to ponder "what is appropriate" for the White House's energy needs. Britain's Guardian newspaper reported that the Obama aides were "twitchy perhaps about inviting any comparison (to Mr. Carter) in the run-up to the very difficult mid-term elections." Democrats need no reminding that Mr. Carter wound up costing them dearly in 1978 and 1980 as Republicans made major gains in Congress.
Mr. Fund is a columnist for WSJ.com.