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(http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gays_military)
Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban
WASHINGTON – Senate Republicans on Tuesday blocked an effort by Democrats and the White House to lift the ban on gays from serving openly in the military, voting unanimously against advancing a major defense policy bill that included the provision.
The mostly partisan vote dealt a major blow to gay rights groups who saw the legislation as their best hope, at least in the short term, for repeal of the 17-year-old law known as "don't ask, don't tell."
If Democrats lose seats in the upcoming congressional elections this fall, as many expect, repealing the ban could prove even more difficult — if not impossible — next year. The Senate could take up the measure again during a lame-duck session after the elections, but a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said he hasn't decided whether to do so.
"The whole thing is a political train wreck," said Richard Socarides, a White House adviser on gay rights during the Clinton administration.
Democrats included the repeal provision in a $726 billion defense policy bill, which authorizes a pay raise for the troops among other popular programs. In a deal brokered with the White House, the measure would have overturned the 1993 law banning openly gay service only after a Pentagon review and certification from the president that lifting the ban wouldn't hurt troop morale.
But with little time left for debate before the November ballot, the bill had languished on the Senate calendar until gay rights groups, backed by pop star Lady Gaga, began an aggressive push to turn it into an election issue.
Reid agreed to force a vote on the bill this week and limit debate, despite Republican objections. A Nevada Democrat in a tight race of his own this fall, he also pledged to use the defense bill as a vehicle for an immigration proposal that would enable young people to qualify for U.S. citizenship if they joined the military.
Republicans alleged that Reid was using the defense bill to score political points with the Democratic base.
"This is not a serious exercise. It's a show," said Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.
Democrats countered that the bill merely reflects public opinion. Recent polls suggest that a majority of Americans think the ban on gays in the military should be overturned.
"We're going to fight for this," said Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., chairman of the Armed Services Committee.
But at least for now, the question of how and when to change the policy returns to the Pentagon, which had set a December deadline to complete a study of the effects of lifting the ban. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has said that he supports President Barack Obama's goal of repeal, but Gates made it clear he thought the process should move gradually.
It is not clear how quickly the Pentagon might make its own recommendations. Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell declined to comment Tuesday on what he called "an internal procedural matter for the Senate."
Initially, advocates had thought that Democrats might win the 60 votes needed to overcome GOP objections and advance the bill. Sen. Susan Collins, a moderate Maine Republican, was seen as a crucial vote because she supports overturning the ban.
But Collins ultimately sided with her GOP colleagues in arguing that the bill shouldn't advance because Republicans weren't given sufficient chance to offer amendments to the wide-ranging policy bill.
Democrats also failed to keep all of their party members in line. Democratic Sens. Blanche Lincoln and Mark Pryor, both of Arkansas, voted with Republicans to scuttle the bill. The vote was 56-43, four short of the 60 required to advance under Senate rules.
Lincoln said she objected to the limits on debate and wanted a chance to offer amendments that would benefit her state. In a statement, Pryor said the bill deserved more serious debate than was being allowed.
"There needs to be a genuine and honest effort to craft a defense bill that senators from both parties can support, because supporting our troops should not ever be a partisan issue," he said.
When it became clear that Democrats would lose, Reid cast his own vote in opposition as a procedural tactic. Under Senate rules, doing so enables him to revive the bill at a later date.
Reid spokesman Jim Manley said no decision had been made as to when Reid might call up the bill again.
The episode upset many advocates, who believe that neither Obama nor Reid did enough to see the measure through. Meanwhile, conservative groups hailed the vote as a victory for the troops.
"At least for now they will not be used to advance a radical social agenda," said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council.
An estimated 13,000 people have been discharged under the law since its inception in 1993. Although most dismissals have resulted from gay service members outing themselves, gay rights' groups say it has been used by vindictive co-workers to drum out troops who never made their sexuality an issue.
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i can't believe you yanks still so backwards over shit like this.
get with the fucking times, man ::)
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this clip explaines it all...
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We should have a branch of gay military in the US.. have lady gaga be the first sent to battle with her gays in the Gay Infantry
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Republicans say smaller government but only when it suits them. This is in direct violation of what they preach as usual. For the record I hate Dems just as much.
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Republicans say smaller government but only when it suits them. This is in direct violation of what they preach as usual. For the record I hate Dems just as much.
Meh as long as their muslims their fine.
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yet another glorious day when gays don't get their way.
regardless of party affiliation or any that bullshit.
DIE
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We should have a branch of gay military in the US.. have lady gaga be the first sent to battle with her gays in the Gay Infantry
the most successful roman legion ever was completely comprised of gays.....when i was in Iraq/astan i worked with gay soldiers from other countries...i honestly don't see why they cant play and females can...
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the most successful roman legion ever was completely comprised of gays.....when i was in Iraq/astan i worked with gay soldiers from other countries...i honestly don't see why they cant play and females can...
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Well nobody is saying they cant join, they are simply saying nobody gives a shit or wants to hear your sucking dick
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Well nobody is saying they cant join, they are simply saying nobody gives a shit or wants to hear your sucking dick
then why is it ok for women?......their shouldnt be a double standard...hell, i saw female troops in iraq sent home for on base prostitution...but they are still allowed to join openly being a woman...
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We all know blowing up shit gets a girl wet.... its boost moral for male troops to have woman serve ;D
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We all know blowing up shit gets a girl wet.... its boost moral for male troops to have woman serve ;D
not when a STD rate of a base triples in two weeks because of the women...
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Gays in the military could be good, if we win we get to say we beat you with a bunch of fags on our team, if we lose we get to say big deal you beat a bunch of queers.
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i can't believe you yanks still so backwards over shit like this.
get with the fucking times, man ::)
X2!
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the most successful roman legion ever was completely comprised of gays.....when i was in Iraq/astan i worked with gay soldiers from other countries...i honestly don't see why they cant play and females can...
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i can't believe you yanks still so backwards over shit like this.
get with the fucking times, man ::)
What you mean, USA is so progressive. They may allow openly gay men to join the military by 2050.
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Someone should shoot Lady Gaga in the face.
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We should have a branch of gay military in the US.. have lady gaga be the first sent to battle with her gays in the Gay Infantry
You can bet no enemy combatants would ever be taken prisoner, that's for damn sure.
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Seems the GAY GENE runs strong on getbig
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just another way the left wants to cripple the identity and strength of the US military
no one ever talks about how our carrier fleet have basically been reduced to floating birthing clinics since they allowed women on ship with men.............these women are getting knocked up at an alarming rate (as you would expect if you put young people on a boat together).............and the US govt if forced to give them large segments of time off and pay for their maternity leave
there are some wolves in power who seek to destroy every proud vestige and tradition of the once great USA
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fawk lady gaga
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just another way the left wants to cripple the identity and strength of the US military
no one ever talks about how our carrier fleet have basically been reduced to floating birthing clinics since they allowed women on ship with men.............these women are getting knocked up at an alarming rate (as you would expect if you put young people on a boat together).............and the US govt if forced to give them large segments of time off and pay for their maternity leave
there are some wolves in power who seek to destroy every proud vestige and tradition of the once great USA
Aren't you the guy in a weeks time complaining how the muslims are out breeding us? ??? ???
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Republicans say smaller government but only when it suits them. This is in direct violation of what they preach as usual. For the record I hate Dems just as much.
Exactly! For the party that shouts about personal freedom so much, they sure like to tell everyone else about how to have sex and properly worship GOD.
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Exactly! For the party that shouts about personal freedom so much, they sure like to tell everyone else about how to have sex and properly worship GOD.
Exactly..like that HFuckabee character. Why does he give a shit how often Obama worships. I would think being a Republican he would mind his own business about personal decisions. You know that thing called separation of Church and State ::)
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Aren't you the guy in a weeks time complaining how the muslims are out breeding us? ??? ???
the answer is NOT for us to breed MORE, its for those savages to breed less
there are too many people in the world, more then our natural resources can support
anyway, most of the people in the navy that im talking about are black and Hispanic
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Exactly..like that HFuckabee character. Why does he give a shit how often Obama worships. I would think being a Republican he would mind his own business about personal decisions. You know that thing called separation of Church and State ::)
Well, at least Gov huckabee came acorss as sincere in his faith and a decent man.
Having said that, while I respect the man , I don't want him or anyone else telling me they passed some law based on the bible or GOD.
I don't go to church nor belong to any religion.
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Gays in the military could be good, if we win we get to say we beat you with a bunch of fags on our team, if we lose we get to say big deal you beat a bunch of queers.
lol
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I think all our gays should have the right to fight for are country.
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fawk lady gaga
My sentiments exactly.
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Stupid humans and their need to kill each other. ::)
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Someone should shoot Lady Gaga in the face.
She does serve zero purpose whatsoever.
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There was also an amnesty clause in the bill and that nit wit Pelosi wouldnt allow ammendments.
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She does serve zero purpose whatsoever.
She changed music for the worst.
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The DREAM Act was also "paperclipped" to this defense bill. It wasn't all about Don't Ask Don't Tell.
The Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act - Dream Act.
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McCain: Obama Pandering to Gay/Lesbian Vote
Wednesday, 22 Sep 2010
Sen. John McCain blasted Democrats for forcing a vote on the repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell." The Arizona senator wants to wait until the military completes a review of the repeal's potential impact on troops, according to a report at theatlantic.com.
"November second is only a few days away," McCain said. "And the president of the United States made a commitment to the gay and lesbian community that he would make the repeal of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' one of his priorities."
"Whether you agree or disagree with this policy," McCain added, "the Senate should not be forced to make this decision now, before we've heard from our troops."
"Why would the majority leader and chairman want to bring up 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell,' then the DREAM Act, then secret holds, and then bring up the rest of the bill after the elections?" McCain asked. "One can draw the conclusion that this is all about elections, not the well being ... and battle effectiveness of the men and women laying it on the line today."
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/McCainObamaPanderingGay-Lesbian-Vote/2010/09/22/id/371118
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The DREAM Act was also "paperclipped" to this defense bill. It wasn't all about Don't Ask Don't Tell.
The Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act - Dream Act.
Exactly, the same BS they always pull. If the bill is so great let it stand on its own.
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Riiiiight. ::)
Bill Clinton: Powell 'Sold Me' Different Bill of Goods on 'Don't Ask'
Wednesday, 22 Sep 2010
By: Rick Pedraza
Former President Bill Clinton said he regrets implementing the ban on gay troops serving openly in the military because it does not represent what Colin Powell “sold” him when the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff proposed don’t ask, don’t tell as a compromise.
“Keep in mind, I didn't choose this policy,” Clinton said Tuesday on the CBS Evening News.
“When Colin Powell sold me on ‘don't ask, don't tell,’ here's what he said it would be: Gay service members would never get in trouble for going to gay bars [or] marching in gay rights parades as long as they weren't in uniform.”
Clinton made his comments just hours after Senate Republicans blocked a $726 billion defense spending bill that would have included repeal of the controversial policy.
"That was what they were promised,” Clinton said. “That's a very different ‘don't ask, don't tell’ than we got."
Clinton said Powell persuaded him to accept a compromise on the controversial 1993 legislation “because it was better than an absolute ban on gay service. I was promised it would be better than it was.”
The former president said Powell swayed him after it became clear both the House and Senate were going to adopt an absolute ban on gays in the military otherwise.
“Both Houses of Congress had voted by a huge veto-proof margin to legislate the absolute ban on gays in the military if I didn't do something else,” Clinton said. “I didn't do anything until the votes were counted.”
Powell, a former secretary of state under President George W. Bush and national security adviser under President Ronald Reagan, has done an about-face on don’t ask, don’t tell since his days in the Clinton administration. He now supports repeal of the law, along with other top administration officials.
Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, support repeal of the policy. But they don’t want Congress to act until the military concludes its study, due Dec. 1, on how to lift the ban without hurting morale, recruiting, or retention.
A Washington Post-ABC News poll released Tuesday showed that 3 out of 4 people polled believe openly gay people should be allowed to serve in the military, up from 62 percent in early 2001 and 44 percent in 1993. The number of Republicans who support repealing the ban doubled from 32 percent to 64 percent since 1993.
http://www.newsmax.com/US/Bill-Clintondont-askdont-tellgays/2010/09/22/id/371174
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See what happens when idiots jump to conclusions and start blaming Republicans for everything?
Why did Democrats attach the Dream Act to this bill? No politician in their right mind would vote for such measure. Thank Reid for its failure.
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See what happens when idiots jump to conclusions and start blaming Republicans for everything?
Why did Democrats attach the Dream Act to this bill? No politician in their right mind would vote for such measure. Thank Reid for its failure.
So true
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i can't believe you yanks still so backwards over shit like this.
get with the fucking times, man ::)
I agree, but try having a Jesus Freak voting base in your country. It tends to keep us behind a few years socially.
Only a matter of time now, anyway.
It's interesting to see who will be judged as being on the wrong side of history. Bigotry isn't a resume builder.
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i can't believe you yanks still so backwards over shit like this.
get with the fucking times, man ::)
Or what? Our army won't be as strong as yours....OOOPS!! That's right!! Ours is already the best in the world. Never mind!!!
Besides, many of these other countries have MANDATORY military service for males at age 18; so, they have no choice about having homos serving openly.
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Or what? Our army won't be as strong as yours....OOOPS!! That's right!! Ours is already the best in the world. Never mind!!!
Besides, many of these other countries have MANDATORY military service for males at age 18; so, they have no choice about having homos serving openly.
So gays could serve openly when we had a draft?
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Republicans say smaller government but only when it suits them. This is in direct violation of what they preach as usual. For the record I hate Dems just as much.
BADA BOOM...!!!!!
Governmemt get out of my life.....buuuuuut
No gays in Military-as per government
Gays cant marry-as per government
No abortions with your own body-as per government
but we hate big government...give me a fuckin break
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i can't believe you yanks still so backwards over shit like this.
get with the fucking times, man ::)
Where are you from? I hope is not England or anywhere in the vicinity. Because if you are you should be the last one to comment. Your country is fading fast thanks to the Muslims taking over.
Six British Men Arrested After Quran BurningUpdated: 19 hours 22 minutes ago
Theunis Bates
Contributor
AOL News LONDON (Sept. 23) -- Six men from northern England have been arrested after they filmed themselves burning a copy of the Quran on the anniversary of 9/11 and then posted the footage on YouTube.
The two-and-a-half-minute video (which can still be seen on YouTube) starts with a gang of men, wearing keffiyeh-style face masks made from dishcloths, waving the holy book in front of the camera. The group's apparent leader then declares, "This is the Quran, right, it's full of ----. We are going to burn this mother------." The men dance on the book, douse it with gasoline and set in on fire. The leader then shouts, "This is for the boys in Afghanistan."
As a second book is tossed into the flames, the man announces, "September 11: International Burn the Koran Day." One member of the group, who appears to be standing at the back of a pub, then gives away their hometown, shouting, "This is how we do it in Gateshead, right."
The men seem to have been motivated by American pastor Terry Jones' threat to burn the Islamic holy book earlier this month. He canceled the event after top U.S. politicians and members of the military warned that the act could endanger American lives.
Police in the city of Gateshead -- some 230 miles north of London -- raided the pub where the books were burned on Sept. 15 and arrested a bar worker and another man on suspicion of violating a 2006 law that bans the use of "threatening words or behavior" that could intentionally stir up "religious hatred." Four other men were seized elsewhere in the city on Wednesday.
Sponsored Links None of the men have been charged, and all have been released on bail pending further inquiries. If found guilty of religious hatred -- something no one has been convicted of since the law was introduced in 2006 -- they could face up to seven years in prison, a fine or both.
The arrested barman today protested his innocence in the Daily Mail, saying, "I had nothing to do with the fire. I smelt the smoke so I went outside to put it out." The worker, who refused to give his name, said the police confiscated his mobile phone, CDs and DVDs and took away all of the pub's dishcloths.
He added that officers targeted the pub because it was popular with members of the far-right English Defence League. The EDL claims that it is a peaceful, non-racist organization opposed only to "militant Islam." However, the movement includes known soccer hooligans and members of the British National Party, which has been accused of being an anti-Semitic and racist political group. Over the past year, it has staged numerous rallies in largely Muslim residential areas and has engaged in violent clashes with the police, local residents and anti-fascist protesters.
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Where are you from? I hope is not England or anywhere in the vicinity. Because if you are you should be the last one to comment. Your country is fading fast thanks to the Muslims taking over.
Six British Men Arrested After Quran BurningUpdated: 19 hours 22 minutes ago
Theunis Bates
Contributor
AOL News LONDON (Sept. 23) -- Six men from northern England have been arrested after they filmed themselves burning a copy of the Quran on the anniversary of 9/11 and then posted the footage on YouTube.
The two-and-a-half-minute video (which can still be seen on YouTube) starts with a gang of men, wearing keffiyeh-style face masks made from dishcloths, waving the holy book in front of the camera. The group's apparent leader then declares, "This is the Quran, right, it's full of ----. We are going to burn this mother------." The men dance on the book, douse it with gasoline and set in on fire. The leader then shouts, "This is for the boys in Afghanistan."
As a second book is tossed into the flames, the man announces, "September 11: International Burn the Koran Day." One member of the group, who appears to be standing at the back of a pub, then gives away their hometown, shouting, "This is how we do it in Gateshead, right."
The men seem to have been motivated by American pastor Terry Jones' threat to burn the Islamic holy book earlier this month. He canceled the event after top U.S. politicians and members of the military warned that the act could endanger American lives.
Police in the city of Gateshead -- some 230 miles north of London -- raided the pub where the books were burned on Sept. 15 and arrested a bar worker and another man on suspicion of violating a 2006 law that bans the use of "threatening words or behavior" that could intentionally stir up "religious hatred." Four other men were seized elsewhere in the city on Wednesday.
Sponsored Links None of the men have been charged, and all have been released on bail pending further inquiries. If found guilty of religious hatred -- something no one has been convicted of since the law was introduced in 2006 -- they could face up to seven years in prison, a fine or both.
The arrested barman today protested his innocence in the Daily Mail, saying, "I had nothing to do with the fire. I smelt the smoke so I went outside to put it out." The worker, who refused to give his name, said the police confiscated his mobile phone, CDs and DVDs and took away all of the pub's dishcloths.
He added that officers targeted the pub because it was popular with members of the far-right English Defence League. The EDL claims that it is a peaceful, non-racist organization opposed only to "militant Islam." However, the movement includes known soccer hooligans and members of the British National Party, which has been accused of being an anti-Semitic and racist political group. Over the past year, it has staged numerous rallies in largely Muslim residential areas and has engaged in violent clashes with the police, local residents and anti-fascist protesters.
lmao...argument from authority.....fallacy
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BADA BOOM...!!!!!
Governmemt get out of my life.....buuuuuut
No gays in Military-as per government
Gays cant marry-as per government
No abortions with your own body-as per government
but we hate big government...give me a fuckin break
It does seem like a bit of a hypocrisy :D
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It does seem like a bit of a hypocrisy :D
Yup :D
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I don't get everyone's confusion. You can be a gay man in the military, it's not against the law. Here's the thing, not all but most homosexuals, that part of their life is their entire identity, everything surrounds and revolves around them being gay...that's a major problem. So the deal is, be gay if you want, join the military if you want, fine, just keep your personal info to yourself.
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Where are you from? I hope is not England or anywhere in the vicinity. Because if you are you should be the last one to comment. Your country is fading fast thanks to the Muslims taking over.
Six British Men Arrested After Quran BurningUpdated: 19 hours 22 minutes ago
Theunis Bates
Contributor
AOL News LONDON (Sept. 23) -- Six men from northern England have been arrested after they filmed themselves burning a copy of the Quran on the anniversary of 9/11 and then posted the footage on YouTube.
The two-and-a-half-minute video (which can still be seen on YouTube) starts with a gang of men, wearing keffiyeh-style face masks made from dishcloths, waving the holy book in front of the camera. The group's apparent leader then declares, "This is the Quran, right, it's full of ----. We are going to burn this mother------." The men dance on the book, douse it with gasoline and set in on fire. The leader then shouts, "This is for the boys in Afghanistan."
As a second book is tossed into the flames, the man announces, "September 11: International Burn the Koran Day." One member of the group, who appears to be standing at the back of a pub, then gives away their hometown, shouting, "This is how we do it in Gateshead, right."
The men seem to have been motivated by American pastor Terry Jones' threat to burn the Islamic holy book earlier this month. He canceled the event after top U.S. politicians and members of the military warned that the act could endanger American lives.
Police in the city of Gateshead -- some 230 miles north of London -- raided the pub where the books were burned on Sept. 15 and arrested a bar worker and another man on suspicion of violating a 2006 law that bans the use of "threatening words or behavior" that could intentionally stir up "religious hatred." Four other men were seized elsewhere in the city on Wednesday.
Sponsored Links None of the men have been charged, and all have been released on bail pending further inquiries. If found guilty of religious hatred -- something no one has been convicted of since the law was introduced in 2006 -- they could face up to seven years in prison, a fine or both.
The arrested barman today protested his innocence in the Daily Mail, saying, "I had nothing to do with the fire. I smelt the smoke so I went outside to put it out." The worker, who refused to give his name, said the police confiscated his mobile phone, CDs and DVDs and took away all of the pub's dishcloths.
He added that officers targeted the pub because it was popular with members of the far-right English Defence League. The EDL claims that it is a peaceful, non-racist organization opposed only to "militant Islam." However, the movement includes known soccer hooligans and members of the British National Party, which has been accused of being an anti-Semitic and racist political group. Over the past year, it has staged numerous rallies in largely Muslim residential areas and has engaged in violent clashes with the police, local residents and anti-fascist protesters.
Apparently Islam is a race now. This isn't surprising, though. England is embarrassingly pathetic. Meanwhile, Muslims preach for jihad in the streets. ::)
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I don't get everyone's confusion. You can be a gay man in the military, it's not against the law. Here's the thing, not all but most homosexuals, that part of their life is their entire identity, everything surrounds and revolves around them being gay...that's a major problem. So the deal is, be gay if you want, join the military if you want, fine, just keep your personal info to yourself.
Good post
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That's not enough for the LGBT'ers
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That's not enough for the LGBT'ers
Help me here, "LGBT'ers?"
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Help me here, "LGBT'ers?"
Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Transvestites
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The "T" is for "transgender." This is part of the problem with homosexual marriage and gays in the military. It's not just about gays and lesbians, but "bisexuals," transgender, and the new category of "gender identity or expression."
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The military is not the place for self expression. All faggs should be able to fight. But non-faggs should not be subjected to Judy Garland, Rainbow Flags, gay pornography and being forced to watch fagg sensitivity training videos.
Case closed.
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The "T" is for "transgender." This is part of the problem with homosexual marriage and gays in the military. It's not just about gays and lesbians, but "bisexuals," transgender, and the new category of "gender identity or expression."
Whats the difference?
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Foreskin!
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Our allies allow gays to serve openly in their military
How come we never hear of any problems when their troops do joint missions with our troops.
if openly gay soldiers caused all the "issues" that proponents of don't ask don't tell say it does then why don't we refuse to do joint operations with those countries?
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I don't get everyone's confusion. You can be a gay man in the military, it's not against the law. Here's the thing, not all but most homosexuals, that part of their life is their entire identity, everything surrounds and revolves around them being gay...that's a major problem. So the deal is, be gay if you want, join the military if you want, fine, just keep your personal info to yourself.
I would agree with most of that but part of DADT was that someone could accuse another of being a homosexual (as retaliation for example) and get them fired.
It's not just about someone's conduct and behavior in the military but also their personal life.
So it is not only for the little butterflies, the effeminate and "pride parade" type of gays (whose behavior does not fit with military conduct), it's also about people who keep to themselves yet could face discharge by the accusations of someone else (whether they're gay or not).
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Whats the difference?
Good question. lol. I've asked the same thing. I think a transgendered person is someone who is "trapped in the wrong body." This is probably the person who would get a sex change ("transsexual"). A transvestite is really just a cross-dresser. I think the new "gender identity" classification is supposed to encompass transgender, transsexual, and transvestite.
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The "T" is for "transgender." This is part of the problem with homosexual marriage and gays in the military. It's not just about gays and lesbians, but "bisexuals," transgender, and the new category of "gender identity or expression."
Not a expert but wouldn't bisexuals be more welcome in the military then gay men?
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Not a expert but wouldn't bisexuals be more welcome in the military then gay men?
No idea. That category raises its own set of problems.
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The military is not the place for self expression. All faggs should be able to fight. But non-faggs should not be subjected to Judy Garland, Rainbow Flags, gay pornography and being forced to watch fagg sensitivity training videos.
Case closed.
I served in the Marines and could care less if someone was gay myself.
I honestly think the USA should take care of our own citizens and get out of all the crazy conflicts around the world.
Trade with other nations and take care of our own. end of story.
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I served in the Marines and could care less if someone was gay myself.
I honestly think the USA should take care of our own citizens and get out of all the crazy conflicts around the world.
Trade with other nations and take care of our own. end of story.
Thanks for your service Howard. I love the Marines. (no homo) :)
The incoming commandant thinks we should keep the current policy. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=349105.0
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Thanks for your service Howard. I love the Marines. (no homo) :)
The incoming commandant thinks we should keep the current policy. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=349105.0
It is a NON issue for me, I could care less which way they go with it.
I am NOT going to march with gay or lez millitary to support them , BUT won't protest either. I don't care.
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It is a NON issue for me, I could care less which way they go with it.
I am NOT going to march with gay or lez millitary to support them , BUT won't protest either. I don't care.
I like the current policy and think we should keep it, but I'm not losing any sleep over it. If it happens, it happens.