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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: George Whorewell on September 22, 2010, 08:48:11 AM
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Apparently he is training again.
For who, I have no idea-- Werdum is injured, he's probably not getting a title shot against Overeem coming off of a loss and Barnett just signed with SF.
Without turning this into another stupid UFC v. Fedor thread-- here is a recent youtube video of Fedor training=
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He is supposed to fight Antonio Silva.
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who cares. I honestly have no interest in seeing Fedor fight. Maybe if he went to LHW...
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Agree 100%.
I am looking forward to Jake Shields making his highly anticipated UFC debut! Also, Lidell-Ortiz III is in the works!
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Agree 100%.
I am looking forward to Jake Shields making his highly anticipated UFC debut! Also, Lidell-Ortiz III is in the works!
lol
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Bret Rogers was able to fight Overeem (after losing), so it is possible that fedor and Overeem would fight.
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Josh Barnett just signed with Strikeforce, that's a good candidate for Fedor's next fight.
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It should be with Overeem
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Josh Barnett just signed with Strikeforce, that's a good candidate for Fedor's next fight.
If Fedor fights Barnett, whose tested positive for PEDs 2x, then we'll know for sure he was ducking Overeem, whose never tested positive...
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If Fedor fights Barnett, whose tested positive for PEDs 2x, then we'll know for sure he was ducking Overeem, whose never tested positive...
They offered Overeem a fight with Fedor but he declined because of previous plans to fight in Japan during that same time frame. Either way Barnett clean or dirty is just as tough of a fight if not moreso than Overeem at this point.
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They offered Overeem a fight with Fedor but he declined because of previous plans to fight in Japan during that same time frame. Either way Barnett clean or dirty is just as tough of a fight if not moreso than Overeem at this point.
Not just that ( Im sure Spin had no clue about any of what you typed above, he is too busy scouting for next seasons TUF which features a new midget weight class of under 100 lbs), but a fight with Barnett has been in the makings since Affliction folded. Barnett has been in the picture long before anyone considered Fedor fighting Overeem.
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Not just that ( Im sure Spin had no clue about any of what you typed above, he is too busy scouting for next seasons TUF which features a new midget weight class of under 100 lbs), but a fight with Barnett has been in the makings since Affliction folded. Barnett has been in the picture long before anyone considered Fedor fighting Overeem.
Really? Wow, I didn't know ::) My point is that when Overeem was available for Fedor, Fedor refused the fight unless Overeem was subjected to extensive PED testing, even though Overeem has never tested positive. However, Fedor is more than willing to take on Barnett, even though Barnett has tested positive multiple times.
Overeem did not "decline" the Fedor fight. He already had a fight scheduled...two different things.
And, I agree, Fedor vs Barnett would be a decent fight...
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Midget MMA > Fedor ;D
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Midget MMA > Fedor ;D
George, what do you think about Werdum's statement that Fedor was defeated by his impatience and that, despite the loss, Fedor is still the greatest MMA fighter of all times?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I think he is 100% correct. If he never fights again he is the greatest of all time so thats a non-issue. As far as the fight goes, He knocked Werdum down, and while bone dry dived head first into his guard to finish the fight. Stupid mistake caused by impatience. If Werdum isn't one of the best grapplers in MMA, Fedor probably gets away with it. If Fedor had been Ko'd, lost a decision or had been submitted over the course of a fight where it was obvious Fedor was not himself, then I would be in agreement that the game has passed him by. This was a loss, but it was hardly a defeat.
A win is a win, and Werdum deserved it-- He capitalized on a mistake made by a relatively mistake free fighter and made the most of it.
Of course, if Fedor loses his next fight- then it's safe to say he won't ever regain his former glory. However, unless he goes on an inept 10 fight+ KO loss losing streak like Lidell, his legacy is safe imo.
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Midget MMA > Fedor ;D
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i watched midget fighting a couple of months ago at a bar in houston....they have that shit once a month ;D
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Fedor has a puffed up record with most of his wins over no-name cans. Not sure how that makes him the greatest ever? Before he can stake claim to that, he needs to fight the best...
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Fedor has a puffed up record with most of his wins over no-name cans. Not sure how that makes him the greatest ever? Before he can stake claim to that, he needs to fight the best...
He did. Did you watch PRIDE FC? Fedor ruled over that heavyweight division for 4 years. He may or may not be the best today, but he is certainly the greatest ever. Brock will need to remain UFC heavyweight champion for another 3 years before he matches Fedor and then can enter into contention with him for the title of greatest ever. For the time being, Fedor is the greatest ever undoubtedly.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Cheers to our brilliant moderator for starting another stupid pissing contest about Fedor. Any second now, Weight is going to descend out of nowhere to offer 137 identical posts.
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He did. Did you watch PRIDE FC? Fedor ruled over that heavyweight division for 4 years. He may or may not be the best today, but he is certainly the greatest ever. Brock will need to remain UFC heavyweight champion for another 3 years before he matches Fedor and then can enter into contention with him for the title of greatest ever. For the time being, Fedor is the greatest ever undoubtedly.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
First, Fedor fought in Pride for 3 years, not 4. And, in that time he fought cans like Naoya Ogawa, Kazuyuki Fujita & Wagner "Zuluzinho" da Conceicao Martins ::) That said, he did fight the best of that era, so Fedor is the best of that era, not the "best ever".
And, he's certainly not the best today.
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Cheers to our brilliant moderator for starting another stupid pissing contest about Fedor. Any second now, Weight is going to descend out of nowhere to offer 137 identical posts.
Is it wrong to have a differing opinion on who the greatest fighter is? Is this not a discussion forum to debate these exact type of topics? I'm not attacking anyone. I'm simply stating my opinion.
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First, Fedor fought in Pride for 3 years, not 4. And, in that time he fought cans like Naoya Ogawa, Kazuyuki Fujita & Wagner "Zuluzinho" da Conceicao Martins ::) That said, he did fight the best of that era, so Fedor is the best of that era, not the "best ever".
And, he's certainly not the best today.
Do you even know who Naoya Ogawa is? He's an olympic medalist with top of the food chain Judo, he actually dropped a Stephan Leko (who is an accomplished k-1 fighter) with punches before subbing him. I think you should educate yourself on fighters you know nothing about before making ignorant judgments like that.
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I think he is 100% correct. If he never fights again he is the greatest of all time so thats a non-issue. As far as the fight goes, He knocked Werdum down, and while bone dry dived head first into his guard to finish the fight. Stupid mistake caused by impatience. If Werdum isn't one of the best grapplers in MMA, Fedor probably gets away with it. If Fedor had been Ko'd, lost a decision or had been submitted over the course of a fight where it was obvious Fedor was not himself, then I would be in agreement that the game has passed him by. This was a loss, but it was hardly a defeat.
A win is a win, and Werdum deserved it-- He capitalized on a mistake made by a relatively mistake free fighter and made the most of it.
Of course, if Fedor loses his next fight- then it's safe to say he won't ever regain his former glory. However, unless he goes on an inept 10 fight+ KO loss losing streak like Lidell, his legacy is safe imo.
Werdum appeared in a T.V program here in Brazil talking about the fight, and he was extremely humble about his win over Fedor. Here are some of his quotes - I am reproducing it from memory, so the words are not exactly the same:
"I knew that my only chance would be to get Fedor in a vulnerable position and submit him. If he didn't fall for my trap, he would have
won the fight."
On Fedor's toughness:
"I admire the toughness of Fedor. He was literally purple when he tapped. Any other man would have given up much sooner. If he didn't tap at that point, he would have passed out a couple seconds latter. He fought to the last ounce of consciousness.
On Fedor's ground game:
Fedor's ground game is outstanding, better than most BJJ black belts. In the past, Fedor has been able to grapple with BJJ black belts and win, but I'm on a level above black belts. Fedor decided to fight me in the one area where I am superior and so he lost."
Further complimenting Fedor's ground skills:
"Fedor escaped my first submission attempt, which only a BJJ master would be able to, but he insisted on his mistake and got caught in the second time.
On whether Fedor could win the UFC heavyweight belt:
"If we are talking about the Fedor from his PRIDE days, then absolutely. Fedor from the PRIDE era was the greatest MMA fighter of all times. Today, I don't know. It's hard for me to evaluate how Fedor is fighting nowadays based on the fight I had with him."
On a hypothetical showdown between Fedor and UFC heavyweight champion, Brock Lesnar:
"That is a very good question. I don't know. Fedor is far superior to Brock at everything except wrestling and sheer strength. On the stand-up, Fedor would knock Brock out or wear him out. Fedor is the most powerful and precise puncher in MMA history; his right overhand is legendary. On the ground, I believe it is 50/50. Fedor is the superior grappler, but Brock has the wrestling and superior strength. I can see Brock taking Fedor down, laying on top of him and neutralizing his ground game with his superior strength. But I can also see Fedor slipping in a submission somewhere. I really don't know. Overral, I give it to Fedor, but it is hard to say because Brock is so much stronger and so athletic.
Being humble about his win:
"I would be flaterring myself if I said that my win was only due to my superior grappling skills. The truth is that Fedor was defeated as much by his greed and impatience as by my superior grappling skills. Fedor fought very carelessly. Very unusual for Fedor.
On being a fan:
"I am a huge fan of Fedor's. He is one of my icon in MMA. I remember how special it was to watch Fedor fighting back in PRIDE. He would defeat all of these great fighters and he would do it so dominantly and make it seem so effortless. He was so far above everybody else on all aspects of the game. Incredible. On the one hand, I was happy to win, but on the other I was saddened. As a fan, I would have liked if he retired undefeated.
On Dana White's comments that Fedor was overrated and that his defeated to an UFC rejected is proof:
"Dana says that about every fighter who doesen't fight in the UFC. When I was in the UFC, he called me the most technical grappler in existence and the "great new hope of BJJ". Now that I am out of the UFC, I am suddenly a tomato can and worthless. It must be really painful and embarassing for Dana that all UFC champs past and present regard Fedor as the greatest MMA fighter ever.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Do you even know who Naoya Ogawa is? He's an olympic medalist with top of the food chain Judo, he actually dropped a Stephan Leko (who is an accomplished k-1 fighter) with punches before subbing him. I think you should educate yourself on fighters you know nothing about before making ignorant judgments like that.
I know who he is, because I'm a hardcore fan. But most people don't. In MMA he is a nobody with a total of nine fights and wins over a whole bunch of other noname fighters including: Rens Vrolijk, Rob Peters, Masaaki Satake, Matt Ghaffari, Stefan Leko & Paulo Cesar Silva. Six of his seven winds are over guys with more losses than wins in the record ::)
Just another puffed up fighter on Fedor's record...
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I know who he is, because I'm a hardcore fan. But most people don't. In MMA he is a nobody with a total of nine fights and wins over a whole bunch of other noname fighters including: Rens Vrolijk, Rob Peters, Masaaki Satake, Matt Ghaffari, Stefan Leko & Paulo Cesar Silva. Six of his seven winds are over guys with more losses than wins in the record ::)
Just another puffed up fighter on Fedor's record...
In an ignorant persons mind he is a nobody, Satake for example has a losing record, but every one of his fights was against people who were beasts in that day, he made it to a decision against igor vovchanchyn in his prime, yet ogawa put him away. You aren't a hardcore fan and it's obvious, you just buy into fan boy hype and fail to realize the UFC has numerous people with 10 fights or less that way over hyped and people like you are salivating as a result.
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In an ignorant persons mind he is a nobody, Satake for example has a losing record, but every one of his fights was against people who were beasts in that day, he made it to a decision against igor vovchanchyn in his prime, yet ogawa put him away. You aren't a hardcore fan and it's obvious, you just buy into fan boy hype and fail to realize the UFC has numerous people with 10 fights or less that way over hyped and people like you are salivating as a result.
lol. Masaaki Satake has ONE win and EIGHT losses. Just because SOME of those loses were against decent opposition doesn't mean shit. Of those 8 losses, he was finished in 6.
Talk about reaching for straws ::)
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He is supposed to fight Antonio Silva.
"Valentijn Overeem vs. Antonio Silva 4th december"
SO HOPEFULLY Fedor Vs Alister overreeem then.
But
Scott Coker, has said A overeem vs Antonio ”Bigfoot” Silva next month so we dont know shit lol
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Really? Wow, I didn't know ::) My point is that when Overeem was available for Fedor, Fedor refused the fight unless Overeem was subjected to extensive PED testing, even though Overeem has never tested positive. However, Fedor is more than willing to take on Barnett, even though Barnett has tested positive multiple times.
Overeem did not "decline" the Fedor fight. He already had a fight scheduled...two different things.
And, I agree, Fedor vs Barnett would be a decent fight...
Im pretty sure Fedor didnt refuse Anything.
His Managers though.
CAnt believe you hate fedor the person so much.
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Damn righ I hate him. Inflated record. Refused to fight in the UFC. Fucking bitch.
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Fedor has a puffed up record with most of his wins over no-name cans. Not sure how that makes him the greatest ever? Before he can stake claim to that, he needs to fight the best...
who has a better resume?
you never answer this question ::)
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Roy Nelson and Kimbo Slice are both better than Fedor according to Spin.
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Roy Nelson and Kimbo Slice are both better than Fedor according to Spin.
lol
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Who cares what Werdum thinks?! "Mindspin" knows better than him or anyone so please dont argue!
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Who cares what Werdum thinks?! "Mindspin" knows better than him or anyone so please dont argue!
QFT-- He has a menacing avatar and a very distinct posting style. Therefore, his opinion is beyond reproach.
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Who cares what Werdum thinks?! "Mindspin" knows better than him or anyone so please dont argue!
"Mindpsin" got royally fucked by Werdum. Lol, you know that you're the greatest ever when the only guy to ever defeat you says that you are, that his win over you has more to do with you fighting impatiently and unintelligently than with his skills and that he would have lost if you had fought with more patience and care because you are flat out better in pretty much all areas except for one! :D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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"Mindpsin" got royally fucked by Werdum. Lol, you know that you're the greatest ever when the only guy to ever defeat you says that you are, that his win over you has more to do with you fighting impatiently and unintelligently than with his skills and that he would have lost if you had fought with more patience and care because you are flat out better in pretty much all areas except for one! :D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
What nonsense is this? Every loss happens for a reason, otherwise it wouldn't happen ::) And, regardless of the reason, a loss is a loss.
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What nonsense is this? Every loss happens for a reason, otherwise it wouldn't happen And, regardless of the reason, a loss is a loss.
Your reading comprehension sucks. Werdum said that Fedor's loss did occur for one reason: Fedor's impatience and carelessness. He said Fedor would have won if he had avoided his guard and fought with more care. Werdum said Fedor would win because he is superior at everything except grappling. And even at grappling, Fedor beats 99% of BJJ black belts according to Werdum. He said that most BJJ black belts would not have been able to escape his first submission attempt like Fedor.
You are so happy that Fedor lost. It is pathetic. Fedor's loss to Werdum is not indicative of Fedor's skills. Fedor beats Werdum 99 out of 100 times. It just happens that what we saw in that fight was the one time out of hundred that Werdum wins. Fedor wouldn't lose like he did to Werdum if he went to the UFC, because none of the UFC fighters have the ground game that Werdum has. Who is going to submit Fedor in the UFC? Frank Mir? LOL!!!!!!!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I understood the the reason Werdum gave for Fedor's loss...his impatience. However, you inability to comprehend is the issue here, so I will repeat. Regardless of the reason for the loss, IT'S STILL A LOSS. Who gives a shit who has the most skills, or whatever. It's a fight. And, Fedor tapped for mercy. There's no way out of that.
And, Fedor knows he would be utterly dominated in the UFC. Guys like JDS, Cain, Carwin, Lesnar and yes, even Mir, would have him for lunch. No world class BJJ needed to do it either.
BTW, here's something for you to ponder, since you brought up Mir. IMO, what made Fedor great for his time, were his wins over Nog & CroCop...that's it. Those are his biggest wins. Guess what, Mir has demolished them both...ha ha ha!
Mir > Fedor
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I understood the the reason Werdum gave for Fedor's loss...his impatience. However, you inability to comprehend is the issue here, so I will repeat. Regardless of the reason for the loss, IT'S STILL A LOSS. Who gives a shit who has the most skills, or whatever. It's a fight. And, Fedor tapped for mercy. There's no way out of that.
Yes, a loss is a loss. The U.S also lost in Vietnam and yet the U.S was clearly far more powerful militarilly. I only brought it up because we assume that when a fighter loses it is because he is the inferior fighter and this is not always the case. Werdum himself says that Fedor is better.
And, Fedor knows he would be utterly dominated in the UFC. Guys like JDS, Cain, Carwin, Lesnar and yes, even Mir, would have him for lunch. No world class BJJ needed to do it either.
Lol, out of those you mention there are two that regard Fedor as the god of MMA. Carwin said that Fedor is the elite and that he would have only a puncher's chance against him and Mir refered to Fedor as the exception to the rule of the UFC having the best fighters. Here's what he said:"There are some phenomenal fighters outside the UFC. Obviously Fedor comes to mind as an example of that.
Both Carwin and JDS don't have the ground game to stand up to Fedor. Fedor would take them to the ground and submit them. I mean, Carwin got submitted by Lesnar who's submmissions skills are inferior to Fedor. You might have a point about Lesnar and Velasquez, but Fedor punches as hard as Carwin and Carwin almost knocked out Lesnar so we can't know.
BTW, here's something for you to ponder, since you brought up Mir. IMO, what made Fedor great for his time, were his wins over Nog & CroCop...that's it. Those are his biggest wins. Guess what, Mir has demolished them both...ha ha ha!
Lolll, and how does that make Mir better? That would make him at best the equal of Fedor. Owned by your own retarded logic.
Mir > Fedor
Here is something for you to ponder: Nogueira fought them both and said that Fedor was the best he ever fought!!!!!!!!!!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Yes, a loss is a loss. The U.S also lost in Vietnam and yet the U.S was clearly far more powerful militarilly. I only brought it up because we assume that when a fighter loses it is because he is the inferior fighter and this is not always the case. Werdum himself says that Fedor is better.
Lol, out of those you mention there are two that regard Fedor as the god of MMA. Carwin said that Fedor is the elite and that he would have only a puncher's chance against him and Mir refered to Fedor as the exception to the rule of the UFC having the best fighters. Here's what he said:"There are some phenomenal fighters outside the UFC. Obviously Fedor comes to mind as an example of that.
Both Carwin and JDS don't have the ground game to stand up to Fedor. Fedor would take them to the ground and submit them. I mean, Carwin got submitted by Lesnar who's submmissions skills are inferior to Fedor. You might have a point about Lesnar and Velasquez, but Fedor punches as hard as Carwin and Carwin almost knocked out Lesnar so we can't know.
Lolll, and how does that make Mir better? That would make him at best the equal of Fedor. Owned by your own retarded logic.
Here is something for you to ponder: Nogueira fought them both and said that Fedor was the best he ever fought!!!!!!!!!!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Lol. That's what I call a classic meltdown!
Write all you want. The facts remain the facts. fedor's record is padded. Fedor lost to a UFC reject. And fedor dodged the UFC.
He is now a hasbeen fighting in a crummy promotion. And, the UFC no longer wants him.
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Lol. That's what I call a classic meltdown!
Cmon Spin, you've been getting shutdown pretty thoroughly, just give it a rest breh, it's getting kinda sad already.
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Lol. That's what I call a classic meltdown!
Write all you want. The facts remain the facts. fedor's record is padded. Fedor lost to a UFC reject. And fedor dodged the UFC.
He is now a hasbeen fighting in a crummy promotion. And, the UFC no longer wants him.
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How is that meltdown, idiot? I was calm and rational in my reply giving you reasons why you are wrong.
Write all you want ok, but your own beloved UFC champions consider Fedor the greatest ever, and that is an epic ownage of gargantuan proportions. Hell, even Mr.UFC himself, George Saint-Pierre, considers Fedor the greatest fighter to have ever entered a ring and cage.
And the UFC doesen't want him? Dana White says the same about Overeem, and yet every time they meet Dana is all smiles and compliments Overeem and asks him to come to the UFC. Dana is a cunning businessman, plain and simple. Fedor is a god in Asia and the UFC wants to expand there. Having Fedor would be the easiest way to get in there market. Fedor may not have his aura of invincibility anymore, but the lowest ranking I've seen of him puts him in the 4th position amongst the heavyweights and some rankings put him second behind Werdum or Lesnar. Being considered the 2nd or 4th heavyweight in the World makes you attractive to any fighting organization. I'm sure the UFC still wants him although I agree that now they are not so desperate for having him that they will bow down to the ridiculous demands from his managers.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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for fedor lovers (I could fit into that category) Fedor losing is the best thing that could have happened because now the shield of invincibility ain't there no more,same thing with anderson,now he's back to proving he's number one instead of sitting on top without working...
if fedor care about his legacy, the UFC now is going to be the only option to get back to number one.
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his legacy is already set, there is nothing to prove
ali lost to trevor berbick, nobody cares
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Mir > Fedor
How or why are you a moderator on this board? I didn't agree with what you wrote up to that point, but at least its a remotely feasable ( though 99.7% impossible) argument. That last line destroyed your entire argument and your credibility as someone that knows anything about MMA.
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How or why are you a moderator on this board? .
remember this is getbig, a bodybuilding forum where everybody hates bodybuilding so nothing makes sense around here :)
but yeah saying mir is better than Mr. Emelianenko is like saying dexter jackson is better than ronnie coleman
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Dexter Jackson?
I think Latoya Jackson is more suitable for Mir.
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his legacy is already set, there is nothing to prove
no
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his legacy is already set, there is nothing to prove
ali lost to trevor berbick, nobody cares
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What you, and other fedor nuthuggers fail to realize, is that there is a sea of fans out there, who completely disagree with you. You guys are too blinded by your Fedor obsession to look at it objectively.
I believe the argument can be made for Fedor being one of the all time best heavy weights. Until recently he had not lost. And, for 4 years he dominated the division. But, (I'm sounding like a broke record now), his record is inflated, well over half of his wins are over no-name cans with less than 5 fights and/or more losses than wins and for the last 5 years he has refused to fight the elite heavy weight fighters, instead choosing to fight freaks like Hongman Choi or middle weights like Matt Linland.
Maybe Fedor is the best ever, but we have no way of knowing since he refuses to fight the best fighters...
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What you, and other fedor nuthuggers fail to realize, is that there is a sea of fans out there, who completely disagree with you. You guys are too blinded by your Fedor obsession to look at it objectively.
I believe the argument can be made for Fedor being one of the all time best heavy weights. Until recently he had not lost. And, for 4 years he dominated the division. But, (I'm sounding like a broke record now), his record is inflated, well over half of his wins are over no-name cans with less than 5 fights and/or more losses than wins and for the last 5 years he has refused to fight the elite heavy weight fighters, instead choosing to fight freaks like Hongman Choi or middle weights like Matt Linland.
Maybe Fedor is the best ever, but we have no way of knowing since he refuses to fight the best fighters...
who are these "sea of fans"? tuf noobs?
i go with the fighters opinions, the majority say he is the best
and who has the better resume? now i'm the broken record ::)
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at what point is his legacy set?
if he beat brock and any other ufc heavyweight, than you would probably say he has to beat the "next big thing" whoever that may be
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at what point is his legacy set?
if he beat brock and any other ufc heavyweight, than you would probably say he has to beat the "next big thing" whoever that may be
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like every other fighter who's ever fought....
when his career is over !
legacy's don't start until the career's over
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who are these "sea of fans"? tuf noobs?
i go with the fighters opinions, the majority say he is the best
and who has the better resume? now i'm the broken record
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This is true. These are all quotes from UFC champions about Fedor:
"Fedor Emelianenko"
- George Saint-Pierre, UFC welterweight champion, answering the queastion of who he believes is the best MMA fighter ever.
"Emelianenko Fedor"
- Mauricio "Shogun" Ruas, UFC light-heavyweight champion and former PRIDE competitor, answering the question of who he thinks is the greatest pound-for-pound fighter in the World.
"The UFC doesen't have a monopoly on talent. There are some fantastic fighters outside the UFC. Obviously, Fedor comes to mind as an example of that."
- Frank Mir, UFC heavyweight contender and former UFC heavyweight champion, talking about the UFC being or not the best organization.
"Few people in the United States know how good Fedor is. He is very well rounded. He is the only fighter I can think of who is a master on all aspects of the game."
Randy Couture, MMA legend and former UFC heavyweight champion of the World.
"The best I ever fought against."
- Mirko Crocop, UFC heavyweight competitor and former PRIDE open Grand Prix champion and K-1 competitor.
"I would need another 6 months to a year of training to stand a chance against him. Right now, I would stand no more than a puncher's chance against him. He is the elite."
- Shane Carwin, UFC heavyweight contender.
"The toughest fights I had in my career were my two fights against Fedor. He is a complete fighter. So deadly and so masterly on all aspects of the game. Going into the second fight with him, it was the only time in my fighting career I was intimidated by a fighter..."
- Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira, former PRIDE heavyweight and UFC heavyweight champion, on which were the greatest fights in his career.
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hahaha shane carwin and frank mir just owned mindspin ;D
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hahaha shane carwin and frank mir just owned mindspin ;D
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It's not only Carwin and Mir. Read the whole quotes. GSP, Shogun, Couture and Nogueira also consider Fedor the greatest ever.
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It's not only Carwin and Mir. Read the whole quotes. GSP, Shogun, Couture and Nogueira also consider Fedor the greatest ever.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
i know but mindspin thinks carwin and mir are "god's gift" to heavyweight fighting
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Oh brother ::)
Please site the source of those quotes. A link would be good. I've actually spoken to about half of those guys. Most think he is one of the best, but not the best today.
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Oh brother ::)
Please site the source of those quotes. A link would be good. I've actually spoken to about half of those guys. Most think he is one of the best, but not the best today.
name names and how do you know them?
anyways those quotes are more valid than claiming a fighter told you this or that
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name names and how do you know them?
anyways those quotes are more valid than claiming a fighter told you this or that
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Not really. A lot of fighters like to put out this "humble" persona and are really quite the opposite when not talking to a reporter. I've spoken with and or hung/out with a whole bunch of fighters including, Rashad Evans, Dan Henderson, Josh Barnett, Frank Mir, Chuck Liddell, Randy Couture, Keith Jardine, Donald Cerrone, Nate Marquard, Shane Carwin, etc. I've also been to Greg Jackson's gym in NM and spoken to him several times. I've had the same debate I'm having with you schmucks on here, with a lot of those guys. Some do think Fedor is the greatest ever. Others don't.
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and who are they?
the fact that they are "humble" when talking about Mr. Emelianenko says a lot
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Oh brother ::)
I've actually spoken to about half of those guys.
And then you woke up from your TUF wet dream, thanks for deleting my posts btw.
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Not really. A lot of fighters like to put out this "humble" persona and are really quite the opposite when not talking to a reporter. I've spoken with and or hung/out with a whole bunch of fighters including, Rashad Evans, Dan Henderson, Josh Barnett, Frank Mir, Chuck Liddell, Randy Couture, Keith Jardine, Donald Cerrone, Nate Marquard, Shane Carwin, etc. I've also been to Greg Jackson's gym in NM and spoken to him several times. I've had the same debate I'm having with you schmucks on here, with a lot of those guys. Some do think Fedor is the greatest ever. Others don't.
Get the fuck out of here.
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And then you woke up from your TUF wet dream, thanks for deleting my posts btw.
What post are you talking about. I've deleted nothing.
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MS dropping more names than Only Me at a cocktail party in this thread.
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Oh brother ::)
Please site the source of those quotes. A link would be good. I've actually spoken to about half of those guys. Most think he is one of the best, but not the best today.
lol of course you have ::)
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brutal comeback ::)
bench
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brutal comeback ::)
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Epic Fail
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Is Fedor the best ever? Maybe at this point in time if he were to retire.......however he hasn't retired so you can't really say it yet. He may hang on and fuck it all up. Like someone else said a legacy is born after you retire.
Is he the best currently? I would think the dude that just beat him would indicate not. :)
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the dude that just beat him said he is the best
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the dude that just beat him said he is the best
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You're the best Earl.
j/k
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Who gives a shit what armchair quarterback mindtwink thinks..
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Hahahahahaha, now Yemeni is buddy-buddy with elite UFC fighters? This shit gets funnier by the day.
"I don't have a vested interest in the UFC." ::)
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Who gives a shit what armchair quarterback mindtwink thinks..
In reality..........who gives a shit what any of us think? ;D
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Hahahahahaha, now Yemeni is buddy-buddy with elite UFC fighters? This shit gets funnier by the day.
"I don't have a vested interest in the UFC." ::)
Didn't say I was friends with them. Also, it's not like these guys are rockstars ::)
Many have trained at the gym I train at. I have been to Jacksons gym. And, any one of you could walk into one of dozens of gyms in CA where these guys train and see/meet.
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Didn't say I was friends with them. Also, it's not like these guys are rockstars
Many have trained at the gym I train at. I have been to Jacksons gym. And, any one of you could walk into one of dozens of gyms in CA where these guys train and see/meet.
Dude, just admit that Dana White gives you special invitation tickets to UFC shows in exchange for the services you do the UFC on the internet MMA boards. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dude, just admit that Dana White gives you special invitation tickets to UFC shows in exchange for the services you do the UFC on the internet MMA boards. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
That's not a bad idea. I'm going to see if I can work that out.
BTW, IMO the best current heavy weight in MMA is not in the UFC :o
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That's not a bad idea. I'm going to see if I can work that out.
BTW, IMO the best current heavy weight in MMA is not in the UFC :o
Nice nod to Ubereem.
UFC HW division = joke.
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UFC HW division = joke.
it won't be when Velasquez is sittin on top of the pile
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Nice nod to Ubereem.
UFC HW division = joke.
IMO, right now Alistar is the best Heavyweight. If Brock gets past Cain, I'll be putting Brock on top...
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Looking forward to Alistair vs Spong. That's going to be an absolutely fucking insane fight.
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it won't be when Velasquez is sittin on top of the pile
And when he loses? :o
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IMO, right now Alistar is the best Heavyweight. If Brock gets past Cain, I'll be putting Brock on top...
What?
You thought he was barely a legit opponent for Fedor. Now you're huggin his nuts as the best HW?
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What?
You thought he was barely a legit opponent for Fedor. Now you're huggin his nuts as the best HW?
Hahaha, I was wondering if I was the only one who remembered that. Funny how Yemeni's tune has changed. Ubereem must have given him an autograph or something.
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Hahaha, I was wondering if I was the only one who remembered that. Funny how Yemeni's tune has changed. Ubereem must have given him an autograph or something.
Maybe they "rolled" together in the gym ???
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IMO, right now Alistar is the best Heavyweight. If Brock gets past Cain, I'll be putting Brock on top...
Interesting. When he destroyed Brett Rogers, you claimed it was because Rogers was a no one, a tomato can. The fact that Rogers destroyed Andrei Arlovski, who was good enough to win the UFC heavyweight belt, in 19 seconds didn't register to you, and you claimed that Arlovski was also a can. Oh, and btw, Mindspin, Fedor is the heavyweight that Alistair respects the most. Here is a quote from Alistair:
"Fedor is a true champ and the best ever. We were friends from the days of PRIDE, and you had to watch the man fight to see just how good he is. I have nothing but respect for him. What happened in the Werdum fight is that Fedor fucked up big time. I have fought Werdum, and he is so dangerous on the ground. One little technical slip and he submits you. Fedor would have nullified submission attempts from any other BJJ black belt, but not that dude. He submitted me and Fedor, and we are both better overral fighters than him."
They say your next fight will be with Werdum. What do you have to say bout that?
"I will beat him. I will do it for me and Fedor, for old time PRIDE sakes."
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Interesting. When he destroyed Brett Rogers, you claimed it was because Rogers was a no one, a tomato can. The fact that Rogers destroyed Andrei Arlovski, who was good enough to win the UFC heavyweight belt, in 19 seconds didn't register to you, and you claimed that Arlovski was also a can. Oh, and btw, Mindspin, Fedor is the heavyweight that Alistair respects the most. Here is a quote from Alistair:
"Fedor is a true champ and the best ever. We were friends from the days of PRIDE, and you had to watch the man fight to see just how good he is. I have nothing but respect for him. What happened in the Werdum fight is that Fedor fucked up big time. I have fought Werdum, and he is so dangerous on the ground. One little technical slip and he submits you. Fedor would have nullified submission attempts from any other BJJ black belt, but not that dude. He submitted me and Fedor, and we are both better overral fighters than him."
They say your next fight will be with Werdum. What do you have to say bout that?
"I will beat him. I will do it for me and Fedor, for old time PRIDE sakes."
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I like that...class, all the way class.
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MS posts like he suffers from MS. Contradictions, hypocrisy, nonsensical predictions, imaginary friendships with tons of MMA stars and professional athletes etc.
He knocks Overeem, says he fights cans, then says hes the best HW in the world. I'm sure next week he will change his tune and pick Tank Abbot or Paul Buentello.
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LMAO at all the Fedor/Pride nuhuggers trying to use anything to still justify Fedor as the all time best ::)
Me having an opinion that a former pride fighter is the best current heavyweight just goes to show you I don't give a shit about UFC or Pride or whatever. You guys will always think Fedor and Pride are the best. Even if Fedor lost 10 times to Lesnar, you'd still think Fedor was better...sad.
I'm not contradicting anything. Rogers is a can. Arlovski has been one for a long time. Beating those guys doesn't help you get into the top 5 rankings.
I'm ranking Alistar as #1 right now because of the fashion in which he has won his fights and what he's doing in K1. That said, if Lesnar gets past Cain, I think Lesanar will be the undisputed best.
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IMO, right now Alistar is the best Heavyweight. If Brock gets past Cain, I'll be putting Brock on top...
I ll bet you often imagine "Brock on top"
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The rest of us were noting overeem higher class of fighting 2 years afo. Brock is a superhuman athlete not a fighter. Kind of like getting ufc guys to fight a gorilla. The gorilla isn't a better technical fighter in fact has no technique. Sooner or later though humans work out and expose the weakness then I promise ypu this 50% of all fighters will walk through him then.
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LMAO at all the Fedor/Pride nuhuggers trying to use anything to still justify Fedor as the all time best ::)
Me having an opinion that a former pride fighter is the best current heavyweight just goes to show you I don't give a shit about UFC or Pride or whatever. You guys will always think Fedor and Pride are the best. Even if Fedor lost 10 times to Lesnar, you'd still think Fedor was better...sad.
I'm not contradicting anything. Rogers is a can. Arlovski has been one for a long time. Beating those guys doesn't help you get into the top 5 rankings.
I'm ranking Alistar as #1 right now because of the fashion in which he has won his fights and what he's doing in K1. That said, if Lesnar gets past Cain, I think Lesanar will be the undisputed best.
Hahaha, you never even acknowledged Ubereem as a top 5 HW when the rest of us were saying it months ago. Now all of a sudden he's #1 in your book? Makes sense. ::)
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Like I said. I'm not stuck on any one fighter or org.
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Do you even know who Naoya Ogawa is? He's an olympic medalist with top of the food chain Judo, he actually dropped a Stephan Leko (who is an accomplished k-1 fighter) with punches before subbing him. I think you should educate yourself on fighters you know nothing about before making ignorant judgments like that.
but he wasn't on Tuff