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Title: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: jwb on September 25, 2010, 03:27:13 AM
The new format since the Arnold is:

50% of score is prejudging

50% of score is the posedown (top 6 only).

Bottom 3 and top 3 scores are thrown out each round (11 judges).

So,

Guys already out of the top 6 can't move up their show is over.

6 judges scores per round per athlete are thrown out... To me that is crazy and doesn't allow a guy to move up between the 2 rounds.

Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: Ron on September 25, 2010, 07:00:11 AM

That may be interesting - since it looks like Kai Greene may be out of the top six.

And he cannot be moved up tonight in the posing round?

In the past, if this format was like this, we would of had different Mr. Olympia winners.   


Wonder what the fans will say tonight if Kai Greene comes in in much better conditioning than last night?

Was he off by one day?

Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: che on September 25, 2010, 07:10:58 AM
The fact that  Jay ,Branch,Phil and Dexter are top 4 tell you that there is not judging format ,there is not judging criteria .
If bodybuilding is the combination of aesthetic ,mass and condition WTF Jay and Branch are doing in the top 4 ?
Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: ~UN_$ung~ on September 25, 2010, 07:12:44 AM
The new format since the Arnold is:

50% of score is prejudging

50% of score is the posedown (top 6 only).

Bottom 3 and top 3 scores are thrown out each round (11 judges).

So,


Guys already out of the top 6 can't move up their show is over.

6 judges scores per round per athlete are thrown out... To me that is crazy and doesn't allow a guy to move up between the 2 rounds.





that is absolutely a scum bag descision..........why can a guy who is say, 4th at prejudging have an opportunity to move up in placing, but a guy who was 7th is totally fucked??





i can see guys out of the top 15,,,,,,,there has to be a thinning out as the contest progresses.............. but the guy who gets 7th palce at the O, is theoretically, the 7th best bodybuilder in the world............they deserve a second look
Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: tendonitis on September 25, 2010, 07:15:20 AM
The fact that  Jay ,Branch,Phil and Dexter are top 4 tell you that there is not judging format ,there is not judging criteria .
If bodybuilding is the combination of aesthetic ,mass and condition WTF Jay and Branch are doing in the top 4 ?

Exactly.  Jay and Branch have no business being in the top 4 of anything where aesthetics and symmetry are supposed to count for something.
Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: Chick on September 25, 2010, 07:37:24 AM
The new format since the Arnold is:

50% of score is prejudging

50% of score is the posedown (top 6 only).

Bottom 3 and top 3 scores are thrown out each round (11 judges).

So,

Guys already out of the top 6 can't move up their show is over.

6 judges scores per round per athlete are thrown out... To me that is crazy and doesn't allow a guy to move up between the 2 rounds.



The judges have every opportunity to include any competitor with a mathematical chance to move up into the top 6....past that, you have to draw the line somewhere.
Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: Tom on September 25, 2010, 07:41:08 AM
so are they even then going to give placings from 6th to 24th? or just say screw it, here is your medal!?
Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: ~UN_$ung~ on September 25, 2010, 07:45:40 AM
The judges have every opportunity to include any competitor with a mathematical chance to move up into the top 6....past that, you have to draw the line somewhere.


i dont understand..........what your saying doesnt make sense


there are only 6 places.........so say your first 4 are set....for ex.

1. jay
2. phil
3. branch
4. dexter


but then say you have

wolf
victor
freeman
rockell

..........all pretty much neck and neck in prejudging



by the fact that there is only 6 spots..........some people who should be getting a second look are getting screwed






and dont use the excuse "you have to draw the line somewhere".............yeh, you do when you have over 20 competitors

but when your deciding the top 10 or so bodybuilders in the world.....PERHAPS THEY DESERVE A MORE THOROUGH LOOK
Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: Master Blaster on September 25, 2010, 07:47:27 AM
I don't get it.
Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: jwb on September 25, 2010, 07:49:08 AM
This is how Hide came 7th recently even though he pulled out of the night show... he was 7th in the morning already.
Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: Ron on September 25, 2010, 08:30:17 AM
Quote
i dont understand..........what your saying doesnt make sense

It can be an issue if tonight someone like Kai, or Wolfe, or Rockel comes in better shape than someone else who looked better Friday evening, but won't have a change to compete in the top six.

say, if they are one point behind Friday night for the sixth spot, and looks incredibly better tonight, they won't have a chance to compete in the top six, and the crowd won't understand why.

But the rules were changed to not include the posing round, where some competitors can do really well in.

It will be interesting.
Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: Red Hook on September 25, 2010, 08:36:17 AM
Why not score each round individually and the winner is the best combined from both rounds....why is this complicated?  This gives each guy a chance to focus on their strength for each round.


currently if you score high in round 1 you have an inherent advantage for round 2, sp by implication round 1 is of more value than round 2.


example...if you score in the top 4 in round 1..you are guaranteed to finish no worse than 4th..kind of stupid, no?
Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: G_Thang on September 25, 2010, 08:40:10 AM
The judges have every opportunity to include any competitor with a mathematical chance to move up into the top 6....past that, you have to draw the line somewhere.

this is on you chick for pushing the exclusion of the individual posing which should acct for 10%.  what's the pt of the posing round anymore?

pre-judging 40%
comparsions 10%
indivdual pose 10%

this allows for 7-8-9 to make a move for the 5-6 spots
top 6 40%



Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: LatsMcGee on September 25, 2010, 08:40:46 AM
 Some Getbiggers would like Kai to move up inside them after the night show. 
Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: Palpatine Q on September 25, 2010, 08:41:58 AM
That's retarded.

only the top six have a chance to move up?

they're the TOP SIX....they already "moved up"

Sorry Chick but that is assinine
Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: jwb on September 25, 2010, 08:59:55 AM
The top 10 should have further comparisons at the start of the posedown round not just the top 6.

The actual "posedown" probably isn't scored anyway. How can it be really? What is scored is the top 6 comparisons they do before the "posedown."

The problem is the top 6 final comparison is too short.... Make it 10 guys and do some one on one comparisons to really get the placings right.

Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: Disgusted on September 25, 2010, 10:31:27 AM
This is the problem with having "two shows", well at least two shows on two separate nights. Theoretically, the 6th place guy can drink a couple of gallons of water and eat a shit load of salty foods and come back not deserving to even be in the top 10 and still beat a hard as nails 7th place guy who may have moved up to say 4th place!!  ???  I want my money back.  >:(
Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: jwb on September 25, 2010, 02:14:19 PM
These were the raw scores from the Arnold:

Prejudging:

Phil: 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2
Kai: 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3

Finals:

Phil: 1 1 1 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3
Kai: 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 3

Add them up and Kai beats Phil by only 3 points.

Problem is the IFBB take away the bottom 3 and top 3 scores from each round which makes Kai win by 5 points with a smaller sample size.

That is DUMB.

Kai lost all his 3rd place votes from the prejudging and Phil lost all his 1st place votes from the finals!

More than half the scores aren't even counted!

Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: ~UN_$ung~ on September 25, 2010, 02:25:27 PM
just seems lik a terrible descision


the top 6 -10 bodybuilders in the WORLD deserve a solid look.........sure if your in 20th place after last night there is nothing that can be done because they have to start eliminating

but people in the top ten should have the same chance to move up as the guys in the top 6 do


its just lazy..........adn its a time constraint.......get rid of some of the BORING fitness, figure, and the ambien bikini rounds
Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: jwb on September 25, 2010, 02:45:08 PM
I agree the guys in 7 thru 10 need more comparisons at the night show.
Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: Lord of the Roidz on September 25, 2010, 03:13:23 PM
That may be interesting - since it looks like Kai Greene may be out of the top six.

And he cannot be moved up tonight in the posing round?

In the past, if this format was like this, we would of had different Mr. Olympia winners.   


Wonder what the fans will say tonight if Kai Greene comes in in much better conditioning than last night?

Was he off by one day?



Kai's gut looks more than 1 day off .
Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: ~UN_$ung~ on September 25, 2010, 03:35:50 PM
Kai's gut looks more than 1 day off .



your confusing distention with poor conditon

Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: Lord of the Roidz on September 25, 2010, 03:38:30 PM

your confusing distention with poor conditon


Well...he has distension and his conditioning looks to be about a week out.
Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: ~UN_$ung~ on September 25, 2010, 03:51:45 PM
Well...he has distension and his conditioning looks to be about a week out.



 i thought that too


some other people , including dave palumbo and chris aceto, who know their shit.........said the problem was not with his condition, ti was that he spilled over and missed his mark terribly



there are pics of kai from two weeks ago that looked like he was ready to step onstage adn dominate............so its not like he put on fat in this past week

more like he totally fucked up his carb/sodium/water/postassium depletion reloading



either way, he fucked up BAD
Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: jwb on September 26, 2010, 10:30:25 AM
So Kai was 7th at prejudge and therefore was not even looked at for the finals.

The guys at RX muscle need to read the rule book they seem to think in their wrapup that the routines are still judged and that people can move up from outside the top 6 after the prejudging.

Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: MB on September 26, 2010, 12:24:50 PM
The judges have every opportunity to include any competitor with a mathematical chance to move up into the top 6....past that, you have to draw the line somewhere.

Come on now Chick, this isn't really true.  We've never seen a competitor from out of the top 6 called out on stage for Saturday night comparisons.  If you're 7th place or below after pre-judging, your show is done.  No need to sharpen up for the finals. 
Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: jwb on September 26, 2010, 12:29:50 PM
Come on now Chick, this isn't really true.  We've never seen a competitor from out of the top 6 called out on stage for Saturday night comparisons.  If you're 7th place or below after pre-judging, your show is done.  No need to sharpen up for the finals. 
They should get rid of the free posedown and have top 10 comparisons it would take an extra 5 minutes to do.

Plus it would allow for some 3 man comparisons which they seem to have dropped.
Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: erics on September 26, 2010, 06:28:57 PM
The posing round was such a waste of time. There was no drama, no tension, nothing, no meaning at all to it since it had absolutely no bearing on the final outcome.

Having the ability to pose and to pose well to separate the final placings (top ten or top six, for example) would be an interesting way of making posing a legitimate part of competing.
Title: Re: 2010 Olympia - new judging format result in weird placings?
Post by: MB on September 26, 2010, 06:40:45 PM
The posing round was such a waste of time. There was no drama, no tension, nothing, no meaning at all to it since it had absolutely no bearing on the final outcome.

The 202 show didn't even bother with posing routines.  They had pre-judging and then comparisons of the top 6 at night.  That's it.  Maybe bodybuilding should face the fact that a night show is not necessary.  Why have a pre-judging and then some more pre-judging at night?  Do it in one show and be done with it. 
Title: Bob Chick - You still haven't answered...
Post by: G_Thang on September 27, 2010, 05:33:17 AM
why the judges can't score mandatory poses during the men's individual posing round but they can score accurately flips and strength moves with the fitness girls high octane routines?  i'd think it would be easier since most of the men cant walk 10 yds without O2.  you need to explain this. you've all but made the 2nd night obsolete and killed any chance a guy like kai in 7-8th can move into the 6th spot with a good 2nd night showing.  plus why are the fans paying 50-150 when 1-6 are set?
Title: Re: Bob Chick - You still haven't answered...
Post by: Fallsview on September 27, 2010, 06:28:55 AM
Bob Chick is too busy having a nice "sit down" meal at the Yard Of Ale in Piffard.