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Donald Trump 'seriously' considering running for president in 2012
nypost.com ^ | Oct. 5, 2010
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Donald Trump said today he's "seriously" considering running for the presidency in 2012.
"For the first time in my life, I'm actually thinking about it [running for president]," Trump told Fox News Channel. He added, "I see what's going on with this country and it's never been worse. What's happening is a disgrace."
"The Apprentice" host cited what he called the "unfair" trade relationship between America and China and the administration's inability to utilize the country's top business talent in trade negotiations as his main reasons for mulling a run.
"I love this country, we have a great country ... but it's not really great like it used to be. Let's face it, we are no longer respected the way we used to be respected, and if we keep going like this, within 10 years China is going to overtake us easily," Trump said.
When asked the crucial question -- what party he would choose to run for -- the mogul said, "I'm a Republican, so if I did anything I'd do it, I guess, as a Republican."
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i would vote for Donald in a heartbeat over Obama.
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Donald Trump 'seriously' considering running for president in 2012
nypost.com ^ | Oct. 5, 2010
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Donald Trump said today he's "seriously" considering running for the presidency in 2012.
"For the first time in my life, I'm actually thinking about it [running for president]," Trump told Fox News Channel. He added, "I see what's going on with this country and it's never been worse. What's happening is a disgrace."
"The Apprentice" host cited what he called the "unfair" trade relationship between America and China and the administration's inability to utilize the country's top business talent in trade negotiations as his main reasons for mulling a run.
"I love this country, we have a great country ... but it's not really great like it used to be. Let's face it, we are no longer respected the way we used to be respected, and if we keep going like this, within 10 years China is going to overtake us easily," Trump said.
When asked the crucial question -- what party he would choose to run for -- the mogul said, "I'm a Republican, so if I did anything I'd do it, I guess, as a Republican."
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i would vote for Donald in a heartbeat over Obama.
You would likely vote for Hitler over Obama as well. Am I correct? ;D
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This clown ::)
He benefited more than anyone from the housing bubble, he'll want to restart one asap.
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You would likely vote for Hitler over Obama as well. Am I correct? ;D
Nah - I cut the line at anyone advocating vegetarianism.
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Nah - I cut the line at anyone advocating vegetarianism.
wise man right there
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wise man right there
I don't know how people do the vegan thing. Nothing like a huge steak and cold beer to me.
Sorry, soy and tufurky does not work for me.
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Nah - I cut the line at anyone advocating vegetarianism.
wise man right there
Hey! Watch it >:(
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I don't know how people do the vegan thing. Nothing like a huge steak and cold beer to me.
Sorry, soy and tufurky does not work for me.
Don't knock it. I had a vege turkey this past Thanksgiving that was really good. Even looked like a real bird. :)
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Lets think about things rationally for a minute, lets say it came down to Trump and Obama, what are our choices?
We have two:
Choice one: We have a guy who loves the country, desires to see it respected and on top, understands how the free market works, has made a living because of the free market, understands the difference between stupidity and threat.
Choice two: We have a guy who despises the country, desires to see it humbled before the world and transformed, has no clue how the free market works, has made a living off of socialist ideology, has no concept of what a threat is and finds most Americans to be stupid.
Man, that's a real tough choice...too close to call.
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Trump is way to liberal on social issues to win as a republican and has WAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY too much baggage in his past.
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Trump is way to liberal on social issues to win as a republican and has WAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY too much baggage in his past. Trump is not a religious lunatic.
Fixed.
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Fixed.
Was Reagan a religious lunatic? How about GHWB?
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Was Reagan a religious lunatic? How about GHWB?
Yes, Reagan did pander to the rightwing Christian nutcases (and I don't deify Reagan, he wasn't that special); he had a Hal Lindsey as an advisor and consulted astrologists for advice. Not too sure about GHWB, but he did say that atheists should not be considered Americans (could be pandering as well).
http://www.rumormillnews.com/ARMAGEDDON%20THEOLOGY.htm
Reagan loved his nutcase theology.
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Yes, Reagan did pander to the rightwing Christian nutcases (and I don't deify Reagan, he wasn't that special); he had a Hal Lindsey as an advisor and consulted astrologists for advice. Not too sure about GHWB, but he did say that atheists should not be considered Americans (could be pandering as well).
http://www.rumormillnews.com/ARMAGEDDON%20THEOLOGY.htm
Reagan loved his nutcase theology.
Yet you say absolutely nothing about Obama sitting in Wrights' church for 20 years and declaring himself to be a devote christian and campaigning in black churches and expanding the faith based initiaive office.
Go figure. Typical crap from Team Kneepad.
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Yet you say absolutely nothing about Obama sitting in Wrights' church for 20 years and declaring himself to be a devote christian and campaigning in black churches and expanding the faith based initiaive office.
Go figure. Typical crap from Team Kneepad.
Sure I do. Smart politicians pander to the religious idiots of this country; dumb ones actually believe the crap.
You have lost objectivity. Obama is bad, but he is not the source of every problem in the world. If I didn't know better, I would think you are being intentionally hyberbolic.
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Sure I do. Smart politicians pander to the religious idiots of this country; dumb ones actually believe the crap.
You have lost objectivity. Obama is bad, but he is not the source of every problem in the world. If I didn't know better, I would think you are being intentionally hyberbolic.
So you believe obama is lying when he makes those statements?
Bro - are you a 240 gimmick? I have a running a thread about the things Obama is intentionally doing to destry the economy day by day - why dont you go peruse some of those articles and report back to me whether you think I am making too much of things.
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Sure I do. Smart politicians pander to the religious idiots of this country; dumb ones actually believe the crap.
You have lost objectivity. Obama is bad, but he is not the source of every problem in the world. If I didn't know better, I would think you are being intentionally hyberbolic.
Sorry,despite your rantings,the country considers itself religious and Christian EVERY poll bares this out.YOU are in the minority and YOU are the kook.
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Bro - are you a 240 gimmick?
Really... at this point... do you REALLY think I use gimmicks, dude?
I mean, REALLY? ???
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Fixed.
Why do you hate Christians so much? Don't you have better things to spend your energy and time on?
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Why do you hate Christians religion so much? Don't you have better things to spend your energy and time on?
Fixed and sure, I do better things all the time.
Monotheistic religion is primitive, fatuous and retrograde. The reasons to dislike the 'Big Three' are too numerous to name.
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Sorry,despite your rantings,the country considers itself religious and Christian EVERY poll bares this out.YOU are in the minority and YOU are the kook.
Yes, the majority of the country also believes we came from two dumb people and a talking snake. It doesn't say much.
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So you believe obama is lying when he makes those statements?
Bro - are you a 240 gimmick? I have a running a thread about the things Obama is intentionally doing to destry the economy day by day - why dont you go peruse some of those articles and report back to me whether you think I am making too much of things.
Lets try for an Answer again.
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Lets try for an Answer again.
Yes, 240 and I are the same person. It's true. It was the biggest secret on getbig. :o
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Yes, the majority of the country also believes we came from two dumb people and a talking snake. It doesn't say much.
They also voted for a man that is a racist piece of trash for president and sat in a racist church for twenty years ,so yes.it doesnt say much.
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Bro - are you a 240 gimmick? I have a running a thread about the things Obama is intentionally doing to destry the economy day by day - why dont you go peruse some of those articles and report back to me whether you think I am making too much of things.
Nah, he's just a douche that hates America and has spent the last 10+ years running to various countries trying to find a place where he fits in.
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Nah, he's just a douche that hates America and has spent the last 10+ years running to various countries trying to find a place where he fits in.
BF - go try to pick up Dinesh's book. its a page turner and quick read. Very revealing.
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Nah, he's just a douche that hates America and has spent the last 10+ years running to various countries trying to find a place where he fits in.
He'll never find such as place in this planet, given the fact that most of this world believes in God in one form or another and Deicide hates theists.
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BF - go try to pick up Dinesh's book. its a page turner and quick read. Very revealing.
I'm hoping to get around to reading it next week. Looking forward to it, to say the least.
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I'm hoping to get around to reading it next week. Looking forward to it, to say the least.
I would send you my copy but one of my buddies has a claim to it first.
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I would send you my copy but one of my buddies has a claim to it first.
Haha, it's cool. I just keep forgetting to order it. I'm going to order it tonight off Amazon as I've got a few other books I want to get.
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Haha, it's cool. I just keep forgetting to order it. I'm going to order it tonight off Amazon as I've got a few other books I want to get.
Its sort of like watching how a Frankenstein gets created piece by piece and then can't be undone once the spark is lit.
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Yes, the majority of the country also believes we came from two dumb people and a talking snake. It doesn't say much.
don't forget this all happened 6000 years ago. People and dinos would have lunch together. And I heard a poll that HALF of tea party memebrs are also bible literalists. I hope that's not true, but it makes sense :(
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don't forget this all happened 6000 years ago. People and dinos would have lunch together. And I heard a poll that HALF of tea party memebrs are also bible literalists. I hope that's not true, but it makes sense :(
Your Messiah has NASA on a goodwill tour telling the Muslim world that they're special for their non-existent contributions to science and technology. How is that any better?
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Your Messiah has NASA on a goodwill tour telling the Muslim world that they're special for their non-existent contributions to science and technology. How is that any better?
another 'obama does it too, so it's okay' argument.
the nasa thing is moronic, as are bible literalists. hope this clears up my position here.
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another 'obama does it too, so it's okay' argument.
the nasa thing is moronic, as are bible literalists. hope this clears up my position here.
Yet you never say a word about anything he does until your inconsistencies are pointed out to you. ??? ??? ???
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Yet you never say a word about anything he does until your inconsistencies are pointed out to you. ??? ??? ???
I can't believe he's even making this argument. How many fucking times has he compared Obama's actions to Bush or Palin? 240 is fast becoming the biggest hypocrite on this board.
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Yet you never say a word about anything he does until your inconsistencies are pointed out to you. ??? ??? ???
when asked, i comment.
i'm just not one of those 'yeah, great post brah" guys.... if i have something different to add, I will add it. But circle jerks, not so much my style.
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when asked, i comment.
i'm just not one of those 'yeah, great post brah" guys.... if i have something different to add, I will add it. But circle jerks, not so much my style.
Nah you are much more into self style lately.
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awesome. phallic objects are very good for this discussion on trump.
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awesome. phallic objects are very good for this discussion on trump.
Trump has used his phallis enough over the years.Can you imagine?He would make Tiger Woods look like a monk.
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He'll never find such as place in this planet, given the fact that most of this world believes in God in one form or another and Deicide hates theists.
Most educated people at the university level are not theists in my experience. They are functional atheists. And remember Loco, you too are an atheist with regards to the gods of the Hindus and the Ancient Greeks.
I have a very fulfilled life. I am not complaining. I have said many times I almost never deal with theists in real life. Although recently I did when I was working on a voice over project for a game and the lead writer was a devout Christan and Bible literalist as well as a biology teacher. I couldn't believe she thought the Garden of Eden story was literally true as well as Noah's Ark; a high school biology teacher. Do you want someone like that teaching your children?
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Boy this thread turned retarded fast...real fast.
240-most Christians in the west are bible literalists, why is that weird?
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Nah, he's just a douche that hates America and has spent the last 10+ years running to various countries trying to find a place where he fits in.
Well, we weren't all born to rich Connecticut parents. Some of us have had to work.
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Boy this thread turned retarded fast...real fast.
240-most Christians in the west are bible literalists, why is that weird?
It is strange because they all enjoy the benefits of modernity, a modernity that was ushered in by science and yet, they reject it.
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It is strange because they all enjoy the benefits of modernity, a modernity that was ushered in by science and yet, they reject it.
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Uhm, is that your response? I know you are not a religious person but the economic freedom you value cannot be had without personal freedom and your fellow right wing people do not wish you to have personal freedom. Believe me, if it came to it, they would turn on you for not being a Christian.
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Uhm, is that your response? I know you are not a religious person but the economic freedom you value cannot be had without personal freedom and your fellow right wing people do not wish you to have personal freedom. Believe me, if it came to it, they would turn on you for not being a Christian.
I am not a religious person, but you are a complete idiot and moron. Sorry, I had to say it. Do you realize how much religions have helped contribute to science and civilized society over the years?
And guess what fool - guess who typically are the most anti-freedom - communists, socialists, marxists, and tyrants like stalin, mao, etc.
Dude - you really make a fool of yourself.
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I am not a religious person, but you are a complete idiot and moron. Sorry, I had to say it. Do you realize how much religions have helped contribute to science and civilized society over the years?
And guess what fool - guess who typically are the most anti-freedom - communists, socialists, marxists, and tyrants like stalin, mao, etc.
Dude - you really make a fool of yourself.
Religion as contributed nothing to science, if anything, it has halted it. Sure, SOME religious PEOPLE have been involved in science but religion itself cannot be given credit for that. Islam is decidedly anti-freedom in every thinkable way; Islam is a major religion. Christianity USED to be that way until it was civilised by secular forces.
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Religion as contributed nothing to science, if anything, it has halted it. Sure, SOME religious PEOPLE have been involved in science but religion itself cannot be given credit for that. Islam is decidedly anti-freedom in every thinkable way; Islam is a major religion. Christianity USED to be that way until it was civilised by secular forces.
In some ways - YES! I am in agreement. however - if you look at the death tally - communist/marxists/nazi still hold the record by far far far, not even close.
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In some ways - YES! I am in agreement. however - if you look at the death tally - communist/marxists/nazi still hold the record by far far far, not even close.
Sure; all those political movements (in reality political religions since dogma=religion) were modern movements that took place in the 20th century. They had modern technology at there disposal. Who know what the Roman Catholic Church might have done 500 years ago if they had had access to machine guns, trains and bombs?
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It is strange because they all enjoy the benefits of modernity, a modernity that was ushered in by science and yet, they reject it.
So if you believe what the bible says is true yet you live in the present day then you are rejecting science? This makes no sense. This notion that Christians reject science is pretty laughable. If you're religious you reject science? Sorry, I had to type it out again because it's so absurd.
OK, how about Benjamin Franklin? He is considered a brilliant man in U.S. history, one of our founders, a statesman, a man of science, an inventor, a student of the human body (that last one cracks me up, some funny stories) so here's a guy who had religious faith, but he was an inventor, a scientist....how does that fit with your theory?
...and please don't retaliate with "Franklin and the rest were deist" I get tired of making fools out of this comment.
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So if you believe what the bible says is true yet you live in the present day then you are rejecting science? This makes no sense. This notion that Christians reject science is pretty laughable. If you're religious you reject science? Sorry, I had to type it out again because it's so absurd.
OK, how about Benjamin Franklin? He is considered a brilliant man in U.S. history, one of our founders, a statesman, a man of science, an inventor, a student of the human body (that last one cracks me up, some funny stories) so here's a guy who had religious faith, but he was an inventor, a scientist....how does that fit with your theory?
...and please don't retaliate with "Franklin and the rest were deist" I get tired of making fools out of this comment.
Most Christians in the US reject Evolution, which is foundational for all biology. Like I said, I worked with a high school biology teacher who rejected Evolution. You are speaking of anomalies when you reference Franklin. He was a polymath and his sort (religious or otherwise) is as rare as an honest politician. By rejection I mean that many religious people are perfectly willing to accept the triumphs of science all the while rejecting the things that do not fit in well with their dogma.
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Most Christians in the US reject Evolution, which is foundational for all biology. Like I said, I worked with a high school biology teacher who rejected Evolution. You are speaking of anomalies when you reference Franklin. He was a polymath and his sort (religious or otherwise) is as rare as an honest politician. By rejection I mean that many religious people are perfectly willing to accept the triumphs of science all the while rejecting the things that do not fit in well with their dogma.
So - people are free to believe what they want. So long as they don't bother you and raise your taxes what do you care?
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So - people are free to believe what they want. So long as they don't bother you and raise your taxes what do you care?
That's the thing. Most Christians NEED to preach. In schools people fight over whether or not evolution should be taught because religious people think they should interfere. Many Christian fundies support our outlandish donations to Israel as well and so and so forth. They don't just leave people alone.
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That's the thing. Most Christians NEED to preach. In schools people fight over whether or not evolution should be taught because religious people think they should interfere. Many Christian fundies support our outlandish donations to Israel as well and so and so forth. They don't just leave people alone.
So? if they do it on their time and with their money - what is it to you?
There are many things I find about the christian right beyond gooy and absurd, but guess what - they are not jacking my energy taxes, health care mandates, etc on me.
See, i can at the same time laugh at someone while respecting the fact that they have freedom to believe what they want and not bug me legally.
The far left on the other hand imposes so much crap on us daily its not funny.
See the distinction?
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It is strange because they all enjoy the benefits of modernity, a modernity that was ushered in by science and yet, they reject it.
It is strange that you feel that way because you enjoy the benefits of modernity, a modernity that was ushered in by many scientists, most of them Christians, and yet you despise them all.
Nicholas Copernicus, Blaise Pascal, Sir Francis Bacon, Johannes Kepler, Galileo Galilei, Rene Descartes, Sir Isaac Newton, Robert Boyle, Michael Faraday, Gregor Mendel, William Thomson Kelvin, Max Planck, Sir Ronald Aylmer Fisher, Theodosius Dobzhansky, Arthur Peacocke, Russell Stannard, John Polkinghorne and Francis Collins.
As examples of "good scientists who are sincerely religious", Dawkins names Arthur Peacocke, Russell Stannard, John Polkinghorne and Francis Collins.
- Dawkins, Richard (2006). The God Delusion, 99. ISBN 0-618-68000-4.
Among the fathers of the so-called modern synthesis, Theodosius Dobzhansky was a Christian and something of an amateur theologian; Sir Ronald Fisher was a deeply devout Anglican who, between founding modern statistics and population genetics, penned articles for church magazines.
- H. Allen Orr, "Gould on God", Can religion and science be happily reconciled?
http://www.bostonreview.net/BR24.5/orr.html
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So? if they do it on their time and with their money - what is it to you?
There are many things I find about the christian right beyond gooy and absurd, but guess what - they are not jacking my energy taxes, health care mandates, etc on me.
See, i can at the same time laugh at someone while respecting the fact that they have freedom to believe what they want and not bug me legally.
The far left on the other hand imposes so much crap on us daily its not funny.
See the distinction?
I do and I don't like Obama very much either. I am sorry to say it; I want a real alternative to dems and repubs; I don't like either and I want something better.
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It is strange that you feel that way because you enjoy the benefits of modernity, a modernity that was ushered in by many scientists, most of them Christians, and yet you despise them all.
Nicholas Copernicus, Blaise Pascal, Sir Francis Bacon, Johannes Kepler, Galileo Galilei, Rene Descartes, Sir Isaac Newton, Robert Boyle, Michael Faraday, Gregor Mendel, William Thomson Kelvin, Max Planck, Sir Ronald Aylmer Fisher, Theodosius Dobzhansky, Arthur Peacocke, Russell Stannard, John Polkinghorne and Francis Collins.
As examples of "good scientists who are sincerely religious", Dawkins names Arthur Peacocke, Russell Stannard, John Polkinghorne and Francis Collins.
- Dawkins, Richard (2006). The God Delusion, 99. ISBN 0-618-68000-4.
Among the fathers of the so-called modern synthesis, Theodosius Dobzhansky was a Christian and something of an amateur theologian; Sir Ronald Fisher was a deeply devout Anglican who, between founding modern statistics and population genetics, penned articles for church magazines.
- H. Allen Orr, "Gould on God", Can religion and science be happily reconciled?
http://www.bostonreview.net/BR24.5/orr.html
All the modern scientists you cite believe in evolution and not that the earth is only a few thousand years old.
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All the modern scientists you cite believe in evolution and not that the earth is only a few thousand years old.
They are devout Christians, yet you despise them for that reason alone.
All the devout Christian scientists I listed have contributed to the modernity that you and Christians alike enjoy. So what was your point about Christians enjoying modernity ushered in by science?
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I do and I don't like Obama very much either. I am sorry to say it; I want a real alternative to dems and repubs; I don't like either and I want something better.
We all do, but reality is what it is. I cring at some of the bible belt types. People like Huckabee make me ill, but at the end of the day, i have to tap my practical self and say what is worse - putting up with a bible belter who probably will leave me alone on most things, or a far left nanny stater who will try to re-engineer my life in all sorts of crazy ways.
I try to accept reality for what it is, not how i want it, and act accordingly.
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That's the thing. Most Christians NEED to preach. In schools people fight over whether or not evolution should be taught because religious people think they should interfere. Many Christian fundies support our outlandish donations to Israel as well and so and so forth. They don't just leave people alone.
Liberals are the biggest "preachers" I know.Every single week in CT when Id drive my car on Sunday there would the anti war liberals be shouting at cars to blow their horns as they drove by.They call people who dont believe in the hoax of man made global warming "deniers" as though they are like holocaust deniers.They sit outside supermarkets and want you to sign pettitions for their causes.Yes religious people preach but liberals do it even more.
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Most Christians in the US reject Evolution, which is foundational for all biology. Like I said, I worked with a high school biology teacher who rejected Evolution. You are speaking of anomalies when you reference Franklin. He was a polymath and his sort (religious or otherwise) is as rare as an honest politician. By rejection I mean that many religious people are perfectly willing to accept the triumphs of science all the while rejecting the things that do not fit in well with their dogma.
For the sake of argument, lets say all Christians who reject evolution are dead wrong...OK, fine but that has nothing to do with accepting the triumphs of science. Christians do not reject advances made in technology, in medicine and things of that nature. Yes, I realize there are some small groups that probably do, but on the whole, your typical American citizen who considers themselves a Christian does not reject any of these things.
The argument you're speaking of is simply "How did we start out" not on the acceptance practical scientific advancement.
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That's the thing. Most Christians NEED to preach. In schools people fight over whether or not evolution should be taught because religious people think they should interfere. Many Christian fundies support our outlandish donations to Israel as well and so and so forth. They don't just leave people alone.
Many non-Christians feel they need to interfere with their beliefs, it's a two way street. Just because one side has a differing opinion doesn't make that one side special.
Many non-Christians support our donations to Israel, the majority of Americans, Christian or not do, most consider Israel and Americans allies, so I am not sure what you're getting at with this one.