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So I've been having a lot of shoulder pain recently while training, specifically during bench press, and military press. Its been getting worse in the last two weeks, so I went to the doctor today. They did some X-rays - turned out ok there, asked a few questions, and now I'm scheduled for an Arthrogram / MRI to check for a Labrum tear or problems with the rotator cuff!
Blah!
Anyone ever have an arthrogram? What should I expect?
Thanks boys and girls!
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So I've been having a lot of shoulder pain recently while training, specifically during bench press, and military press. Its been getting worse in the last two weeks, so I went to the doctor today. They did some X-rays - turned out ok there, asked a few questions, and now I'm scheduled for an Arthrogram / MRI to check for a Labrum tear or problems with the rotator cuff!
Blah!
Anyone ever have an arthrogram? What should I expect?
Thanks boys and girls!
Same thing happened to me. Turns out I had stiff shoulder... Physical therapy ..Muscle pulsing thingy?Heat,massage,then he stretched my arm every which way possible! Eventually the flexibility came back.. Now it's perfect!
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Same thing happened to me. Turns out I had stiff shoulder... Physical therapy ..Muscle pulsing thingy?Heat,massage,then he stretched my arm every which way possible! Eventually the flexibility came back.. Now it's perfect!
What was your situation before going to the doc?
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So I've been having a lot of shoulder pain recently while training, specifically during bench press, and military press. Its been getting worse in the last two weeks, so I went to the doctor today. They did some X-rays - turned out ok there, asked a few questions, and now I'm scheduled for an Arthrogram / MRI to check for a Labrum tear or problems with the rotator cuff!
Blah!
Anyone ever have an arthrogram? What should I expect?
Thanks boys and girls!
I have the same problem, but probably worse.. watch your rotator cuff, that's where things can go from ok to no lifting for 6 months. Happened to a friend of mine he couldn't lift for 6 months after he screwed up his rotator, had to start back up with baby weights.
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This is my situation... tell me what you guys think.
It ONLY hurts with certain exercises like: Bench Press, Military Press, Incline press, Machine Military press. Other than that it doesn't hurt.
When it hurts during those exercises, its not UNBEARABLE, but its pretty bad. Although the other day I did 275 on the bench for 7 reps without really much discomfort!
Could this really be a tear? I thought if its torn it would be hurting me like ALL the time?
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This is my situation... tell me what you guys think.
It ONLY hurts with certain exercises like: Bench Press, Military Press, Incline press, Machine Military press. Other than that it doesn't hurt.
When it hurts during those exercises, its not UNBEARABLE, but its pretty bad. Although the other day I did 275 on the bench for 7 reps without really much discomfort!
Could this really be a tear? I thought if its torn it would be hurting me like ALL the time?
I am no doctor or expert but it sounds like the typical rotator cuff, overuse syndrome.
Most docs will just put you on rest an some form of meds. Here is what works for me when mine flares up.
Avoid those painful moves for a week and work around the area with pain free movements for higher reps and use a slow rep speed.
Return to the movements but only with DB's or Hammer type machines for a good month and keep the rep over 10 per set.
Unless you want to powerlift AVOID reg barbell benches or overhead barbell press movements for good.
Stick with DB presses for overhead moves and inclunes and DB presses for the chest.
good luck.
Ironman magazine had a great article called the 10 min rotator cuff solution.
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sounds like AIDS to me...
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What was your situation before going to the doc?
I had an annoying pain,limited flexibility..It felt like I had that next day brutal shoulder workout pain ,that didn't go away.. I swore it was a tear,but thank god no..
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Depends if its rotator cuff or labrum.
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I am no doctor or expert but it sounds like the typical rotator cuff, overuse syndrome.
Most docs will just put you on rest an some form of meds. Here is what works for me when mine flares up.
Avoid those painful moves for a week and work around the area with pain free movements for higher reps and use a slow rep speed.
Return to the movements but only with DB's or Hammer type machines for a good month and keep the rep over 10 per set.
Unless you want to powerlift AVOID reg barbell benches or overhead barbell press movements for good.
Stick with DB presses for overhead moves and inclunes and DB presses for the chest.
good luck.
Ironman magazine had a great article called the 10 min rotator cuff solution.
Thanks for your notes Howard.
After today's visit obviously nothing was conclusive until I get the Arthrogram and the MRI on Friday, but the doc moved my arm around asking what hurt and what didn't. He gave me a prescription pain killer, Naproxen, and told me I don't have to stop lifting, just need to take it a bit easier!
The doctor said if it's inflammation then I will just get a cortizone shot... but if it's a tear I'll need to get surgery.
The Arthrogram and MRI is supposed to idenfify if its a Labrum tear or a problem with the rotator cuff!
Maybe I'm freaking myself out by reading about people's different Labrum tears. I'm a bit nervous, and reaaally just don't want to get surgery! ugh
Guess I'll just starting being a little more careful in the gym and hope for the best!
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Depends if its rotator cuff or labrum.
labrum? wtf? don't you mean "labia" ;) :D
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Thanks for your notes Howard.
After today's visit obviously nothing was conclusive until I get the Arthrogram and the MRI on Friday, but the doc moved my arm around asking what hurt and what didn't. He gave me a prescription pain killer, Naproxen, and told me I don't have to stop lifting, just need to take it a bit easier!
The doctor said if it's inflammation then I will just get a cortizone shot... but if it's a tear I'll need to get surgery.
The Arthrogram and MRI is supposed to idenfify if its a Labrum tear or a problem with the rotator cuff!
Maybe I'm freaking myself out by reading about people's different Labrum tears. I'm a bit nervous, and reaaally just don't want to get surgery! ugh
Guess I'll just starting being a little more careful in the gym and hope for the best!
just prepare yourself incase its AIDS....
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I had an annoying pain,limited flexibility..It felt like I had that next day brutal shoulder workout pain ,that didn't go away.. I swore it was a tear,but thank god no..
Seems a bit different than my pain. My issue is only pertaining to certain exercises and only as I'm doing them, just kind of a piecing pain, doesn't hurt any other time, not after, not the next day.
I'm no powerlifter, and the heaviest I go on the bench and military press (both of which I only do on the smith machine) is no less than 4 reps!
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Thanks for your notes Howard.
After today's visit obviously nothing was conclusive until I get the Arthrogram and the MRI on Friday, but the doc moved my arm around asking what hurt and what didn't. He gave me a prescription pain killer, Naproxen, and told me I don't have to stop lifting, just need to take it a bit easier!
The doctor said if it's inflammation then I will just get a cortizone shot... but if it's a tear I'll need to get surgery.
The Arthrogram and MRI is supposed to idenfify if its a Labrum tear or a problem with the rotator cuff!
Maybe I'm freaking myself out by reading about people's different Labrum tears. I'm a bit nervous, and reaaally just don't want to get surgery! ugh
Guess I'll just starting being a little more careful in the gym and hope for the best!
You were smart going to full medcial check from a legit doc. REST until you get the results back, if it is real tear, yikes :'(. If not try some of the stuff I suggested and deal with it.
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just prepare yourself incase its AIDS....
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I'm mentally preparing myself for the news that it will be THE AIDS... will start doing yoga and pilates, and meditation at night so my mind is relaxed, hope they break it to me slowly and calmly!
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You were smart going to full medcial check from a legit doc. REST until you get the results back, if it is real tear, yikes :'(. If not try some of the stuff I suggested and deal with it.
Yes - this is VERY unlike me... I NEVER go to the doc unless a body part falls off.. but the pain has been getting pretty severe so I just wanted to check!! I HOPE it will be something as basic as what you said!!! We'll see. Thanks for your help man!
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I'm mentally preparing myself for the news that it will be THE AIDS... will start doing yoga and pilates, and meditation at night so my mind is relaxed, hope they break it to me slowly and calmly!
just remember...if the doctor closes the door behind him/her to give you the prognosis.....AIDS...
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just remember...if the doctor closes the door behind him/her to give you the prognosis.....AIDS...
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Lets hope the door stays open then. The AIDS can be a scary thing!
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Yes - this is VERY unlike me... I NEVER go to the doc unless a body part falls off.. but the pain has been getting pretty severe so I just wanted to check!! I HOPE it will be something as basic as what you said!!! We'll see. Thanks for your help man!
The few weeks of high , strict reps with DB's or Hammer machines for presses is a real, effective way to give it some bodybuilding "physical therapy" that will work the area that is hurting.
Most regular medical docs are GREAT for the servere stuff like cancer or a broken bone, but there is little to be done for the typical muschead aches and dings we get.
Once again AVOID the few BARBELL moves that cause the worst pain for GOOD and use alternates like DB's. ;)
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On the plus side, the gown they gave me for the X-ray didn't fit me at all and they just made me go without it!.... I'm too jacked for hospitals!
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The few weeks of high , strict reps with DB's or Hammer machines for presses is a real, effective way to give it some bodybuilding "physical therapy" that will work the area that is hurting.
Most regular medical docs are GREAT for the servere stuff like cancer or a broken bone, but there is little to be done for the typical muschead aches and dings we get.
Once again AVOID the few BARBELL moves that cause the worst pain for GOOD and use alternates like DB's. ;)
The annoying thing is I don't use any free weight barbell - I do this all on the smith machine!!!! GRRRR I'm gonna take your advice for sure and just avoid doing things that hurt my shoulder!
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The annoying thing is I don't use any free weight barbell - I do this all on the smith machine!!!! GRRRR I'm gonna take your advice for sure and just avoid doing things that hurt my shoulder!
Pretty simple solution: If it causes consistant pain, scrap it and find a movement that doesn't.
This is bodybuilding and you can pick one of hundreds of movements.
I don't care how great a lift is for gains, if it causes pain , it sucks
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Pretty simple solution: If it causes consistant pain, scrap it and find a movement that doesn't.
This is bodybuilding and you can pick one of hundreds of movements.
I don't care how great a lift is for gains, if it causes pain , it sucks
No I agree 100%, there isn't ONE single lift that you have to do to be a bodybuilder! Just annoying because I always thought I was being careful, I warm up quite well do a ton of sets, I don't go overly/ungodly heavy, and I use decent form --- not great, but decent!
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No I agree 100%, there isn't ONE single lift that you have to do to be a bodybuilder! Just annoying because I always thought I was being careful, I warm up quite well do a ton of sets, I don't go overly/ungodly heavy, and I use decent form --- not great, but decent!
I am dealing withthe same thing. Found that super sets of cable crossovers with DB inclines worked well and no pain after warm up
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I am dealing withthe same thing. Found that super sets of cable crossovers with DB inclines worked well and no pain after warm up
Thanks Howard for your tips. I'll keep them in mind.
Gonna go train legs now lol! At least something still works ;D
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Look like egoliftings always leads to injure
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On the plus side, the gown they gave me for the X-ray didn't fit me at all and they just made me go without it!.... I'm too jacked for hospitals!
I hear ya... At the time I was 208pds. Not that big at all,but the tech kept squeezing my trap..? I gave him the wtf dude look? Phucking guy couldn't control himself..
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You rarely if ever use machines to isolate a joint injury. Ach, you said that you used mostly machines when you did this which proof of what I've been saying for years. If it is a rotator cuff tear you need to find out the degree of the (centimeter) tear and see if it warrents surgery. Since the 4 muscles of the rotator are, in fact stabilizers bodybuilding type training rarely focuses on joint integrity (out of site, out of mind).
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dear big Ach,
Getbig IS NOT your diary
You're a nice guy but we really don't need to be informed on everything you do everyday
signed
everyone on getbig
ps....seriously, what the fuck are you doing on this website so much anyway- you're a single guy in college...you should be banging co-e.....ooops, nevermind
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No one said 'living the dream' was easy ....
I would prescribe you to just hit the treadmill in the meant time and give your shoulder much need rest to heal, otherwise your just going to keep seeing how far you can push yourself with out the injury ever fully recovering.
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dear big Ach,
Getbig IS NOT your diary
You're a nice guy but we really don't need to be informed on everything you do everyday
signed
everyone on getbig
ps....seriously, what the fuck are you doing on this website so much anyway- you're a single guy in college...you should be banging co-e.....ooops, nevermind
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The Arthrogram and MRI is supposed to idenfify if its a Labrum tear or a problem with the rotator cuff!
Maybe I'm freaking myself out by reading about people's different Labrum tears. I'm a bit nervous, and reaaally just don't want to get surgery! ugh
If you don't have any pain at rest or limited range of motion, it's more likely a labrum tear. If so, surgery isn't mandatory and if you cut back on the heavy weights, it's not likely to get worse.
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Bro, not to scare you but the arthrogram hurts like hell. They inject dye into the shoulder joint and then conduct the MRI. The initial injection is painful for a few minutes then subsides. The dye is needed to locate any tears (especially in the Labrum), which are hard to see using a standard MRI (Xray will not show tears). Sounds like you have a good doctor as most do not order the arthrogram just the MRI. You may just have impingement, which can be cleaned up with arthroscopic surgery (same with Labrum tears).I have been there a few times. Good luck!!
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Engineering? cool shit. You think my small nose will interfere with my potential career?
It's tough to say man, how small is your nose? Its an important factor!
If you don't have any pain at rest or limited range of motion, it's more likely a labrum tear. If so, surgery isn't mandatory and if you cut back on the heavy weights, it's not likely to get worse.
Thanks lizzy, I'm hoping it will just be somethign minor that doesn't require surgery, really really hoping!
Bro, not to scare you but the arthrogram hurts like hell. They inject dye into the shoulder joint and then conduct the MRI. The initial injection is painful for a few minutes then subsides. The dye is needed to locate any tears (especially in the Labrum), which are hard to see using a standard MRI (Xray will not show tears). Sounds like you have a good doctor as most do not order the arthrogram just the MRI. You may just have impingement, which can be cleaned up with arthroscopic surgery (same with Labrum tears).I have been theer a few times. Good luck!!
Words cant describe how fucking nervous I am about the arthrogram.... been reading about it! I don't do well with needles or with pain! Fucking sucks!
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Do you have pain when you do dumbbell side lateral raises? Any pain when you do front raises? Do you have any pain when you move your neck all around?
Describe the pain- is it sharp? dull ache? Where exactly is the pain? And does it radiate anywhere? Down your arm, into your fingers? If so, which side of your arm? which fingers? etc...
Does your shoulder get caught in any specific movement? If you try to move in a full range of motion are you able to without a problem?
Did you have any specific trauma to your shoulder? Hurt in in the gym all of a sudden and now it aches? Or is this a slow gradual type of deal?
Xrays are really only sensitive for fracture and it doesn't sound like a broken bone... but unfortunately most insurance companies will deny coverage of an MRI if an xray hasn't been done first.
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Do you have pain when you do dumbbell side lateral raises? No Not at all, did Side lateral two days ago to failure pretty intensely and didn't feel any pain
Any pain when you do front raises? I don't do front raises
Do you have any pain when you move your neck all around? No not at all
Describe the pain- is it sharp? dull ache? The pain only occurs on certain movements like barbell bench press and military press and its a SHARP pain, not unbearable but pretty bad
Where exactly is the pain? Feels like sorta in the center/front but deep in
And does it radiate anywhere? Down your arm, into your fingers? If so, which side of your arm? which fingers? etc No does not radiate at all anywhere its concentrated in one area...
Does your shoulder get caught in any specific movement? If you try to move in a full range of motion are you able to without a problem? Hurts during bench but not all the time, I was doing 275 for 7 and it was OK, but feels like my arm may come off at any moment, and with military press definitely can't get full range of motion, I go down to my chin, no way to go down all the way to my chest
Did you have any specific trauma to your shoulder? Hurt in in the gym all of a sudden and now it aches? Or is this a slow gradual type of deal? No trauma, been gradually getting worst, although the doctor asked if I played football and I did in high school 10 years ago and i did get hit pretty bad in my shoulder once, never got treated for it or anything but the doc said maybe that has something to do with it, but this was 10 years ago and it hadn't really bothered me until recently
Xrays are really only sensitive for fracture and it doesn't sound like a broken bone... but unfortunately most insurance companies will deny coverage of an MRI if an xray hasn't been done first. I did an X-ray today, Friday is the Arthrogram and the MRI
Thanks for your help!
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Words cant describe how fucking nervous I am about the arthrogram.... been reading about it! I don't do well with needles or with pain! Fucking sucks!
I had an arthrogram done on my knee. Would say it was more unpleasant than painful.
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So I've been having a lot of shoulder pain recently while training, specifically during bench press, and military press. Its been getting worse in the last two weeks, so I went to the doctor today. They did some X-rays - turned out ok there, asked a few questions, and now I'm scheduled for an Arthrogram / MRI to check for a Labrum tear or problems with the rotator cuff!
Blah!
Anyone ever have an arthrogram? What should I expect?
Thanks boys and girls!
Talk about a coincidence as I am having the exact same issues. It started last week during and following my chest workout. I started taking ibuprofen and after a couple days of that it seems to go away but again on chest day today, immediately it started to hurt again. From doing some reading, I think it might be bicep's tendonitis:
http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=a00026
Please keep us posted on how it goes at the doc as my medical insurance sucks (small company) and I'm trying to avoid going.
As someone else mentioned I am planning on resting it all next week and just doing cardio, legs, and a few other basic exercises (deads, etc) that I can do and see if that helps while keeping taking the ibuprofen.
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ACH, I once had an unseated biceps tendon that was similar in experience to what you have, but the shouler is a VERY complicated joint and it could even be more than one problem. Did the doc advise you to lay off training to get the inflamation down for your tests?
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ACH, I once had an unseated biceps tendon that was similar in experience to what you have, but the shouler is a VERY complicated joint and it could even be more than one problem. Did the doc advise you to lay off training to get the inflamation down for your tests?
No his exact words were, "You do not need to stop traininy, keep going but take it a little bit easier" basically just telling me to lighten up the weights! He prescribed some prescription pain killers and told me to take as needed!
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No his exact words were, "You do not need to stop traininy, keep going but take it a little bit easier" basically just telling me to lighten up the weights! He prescribed some prescription pain killers and told me to take as needed!
Hey, go with the doc, I'm just a little surprised as most of them are always wanting everybody to "take it easy." Good luck, as I know shoulder problems are a true pain to deal with.
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Talk about a coincidence as I am having the exact same issues. It started last week during and following my chest workout. I started taking ibuprofen and after a couple days of that it seems to go away but again on chest day today, immediately it started to hurt again. From doing some reading, I think it might be bicep's tendonitis:
http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=a00026
Please keep us posted on how it goes at the doc as my medical insurance sucks (small company) and I'm trying to avoid going.
As someone else mentioned I am planning on resting it all next week and just doing cardio, legs, and a few other basic exercises (deads, etc) that I can do and see if that helps while keeping taking the ibuprofen.
Will keep you informed for sure!! I gotta train chest tonight actually so I'm gonna try to avoid the excersises that do hurt it! Arthrogram tomorrow and hopefully results sometime next week!
The doc actually also checked my bicep but said they were fine nothing effecting the shoulders
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Hey, go with the doc, I'm just a little surprised as most of them are always wanting everybody to "take it easy." Good luck, as I know shoulder problems are a true pain to deal with.
Yeah I was very surprised that he didn't tell me to stop lifting for x weeks.
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So I've been having a lot of shoulder pain recently while training, specifically during bench press, and military press. Its been getting worse in the last two weeks, so I went to the doctor today. They did some X-rays - turned out ok there, asked a few questions, and now I'm scheduled for an Arthrogram / MRI to check for a Labrum tear or problems with the rotator cuff!
Blah!
Anyone ever have an arthrogram? What should I expect?
Thanks boys and girls!
I feel for you. Shoulder injuries are a bbdr's nightmare.
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Thanks Playboy!
What sucks is that its not even that BAD... I mean its bad, but its not Unbearable, and now they gotta stick me with that dye injection thats supposed to hurt like a bitch!
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Had MRI for bad shoulder about a year ago. Turned out i had a torn labrum/slab tear. I decided against surgery. I still cannot really barbell benchpress or barbell shoulder press, however i can do just about everything else without pain. Once in a while it acts up and affects my bicep as well. Without surgery i know it will never be 100% again. However sometimes fixing a torn labrum can actually make your shoulder worse after the surgery, so im not about to risk it.
Good Luck. Hopefully its just a strain
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Id say its either semtex poisoning or overuse from pulling the yoke on all those flight simulators, embrace the western lifestyle and I think youll be fine in 2 months.
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Bro, not to scare you but the arthrogram hurts like hell. They inject dye into the shoulder joint and then conduct the MRI. The initial injection is painful for a few minutes then subsides. The dye is needed to locate any tears (especially in the Labrum), which are hard to see using a standard MRI (Xray will not show tears). Sounds like you have a good doctor as most do not order the arthrogram just the MRI. You may just have impingement, which can be cleaned up with arthroscopic surgery (same with Labrum tears).I have been there a few times. Good luck!!
It's not that bad.. You see it filling up your shoulder.. Small needle,nothing major though..
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Hmmm hard to say without examining you... but could be a labrum tear. I think it's very unlikely that you tore any of the rotator cuff muscles.
keep us posted, good luck.
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IT HAPPENED TO ME-I FELT THE PAIN IN THE SPOT WHERE THE SHOULDER ATTACHES THE PEC-AND I REALIZED FROM WHAT EXERCISE,IT WAS FROM INCLINE BENCH...THE HEAVIER I GOT THE MORE PAIN I HAD...AND THEN I FELT THE PAIN IN THAT SHOULDER(SPOT) WHEN I WAS DOING BARBELL ROWS...BUT WHEN I DIETED DOWN I WASN`T ABLE TO PUSH MUCH WEIGHT AND THE PAIN DISSAPIERD!
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welcome to the injury club big ach
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i had the same exact thing happen to me...i was diagnosed as having a pec minor strain..went to my chiro and had cold laser therapy, stim and ice, and also scapular adjustment... i also went lighter for a couple weeks on pressing movements and the pain is completely gone...if it was rotator cuff it would hurt with other movements like lateral flexion and rotation..a labrum tear would also be indicated by catching of the joint as well as an aching sensation...biceps tendinosis would be aggravated by using the biceps as well
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Had to cancel my arthrogram and reschedule due to some work commitments....
In other news, I just got back from training chest tonight, avoided all exercises that hurt my shoulder, and used very good form, was a good intense work out with light-moderate weight.... Had NO pain at all! Was happy about that!
Thanks everyone for your messages and for your tips... its posts like this that let me know there's more to GETBIG than just thong worshipping!
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Id say its either semtex poisoning or overuse from pulling the yoke on all those flight simulators, embrace the western lifestyle and I think youll be fine in 2 months.
And by the way - that was FUNNY AS SHIT.... I laughed so hard because I got it!!!!! ;D
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And by the way - that was FUNNY AS SHIT.... I laughed so hard because I got it!!!!! ;D
LOL come on now, we all know any terrorist worth shit wouldn't use semtex, it's traceable, C4 is much better at being discrete.
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This is my situation... tell me what you guys think.
It ONLY hurts with certain exercises like: Bench Press, Military Press, Incline press, Machine Military press. Other than that it doesn't hurt.
Stop pressing immediately. If it hurts, don't do it. Sounds like a rotator cuff strain. Rest it. When you get back, throw out the straight bar and use dumbells from now on. Do some light weight exercises for your rotator cuff as well.