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February 2010
" He didn't have the genetic gifts, but he made up for it with the heart to reach the top he's an inspirition"
uh not quite sure I agree with that...
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LMAO!!! Dumbest thing he's probably ever said...then again probably not if he form his mouth to utter those words.
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I also don't agree, just look at pics of him in college.
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you just gotta believe
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He rates kevin levrone flex shawn as having good genetics though
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I totally agree and you guys don't know shit about bodybuilding .
Hope this helps.
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No because flex looked better when they were younger means coleman has bad genetics
when they came into their own Coleman made nearly all of them look small
see 98 99 00 03 04,05 mr o no contest huge dense thick vascular muscle just hanging off him
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No because flex looked better when they were younger means coleman has bad genetics
when they came into their own Coleman made nearly all of them look small
see 98 99 00 03 04,05 mr o no contest huge dense thick vascular muscle just hanging off him
You = idiot
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Who the hell is Marvin Ward
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Says the guy who can't debate without throwing out childish insults...
Thanks for your "input" ;)
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Black on Black crime
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No because flex looked better when they were younger means coleman has bad genetics
when they came into their own Coleman made nearly all of them look small
see 98 99 00 03 04,05 mr o no contest huge dense thick vascular muscle just hanging off him
Mate, it depends on what kind of genetics. I think Ronnie had the BEST drug response/tolerance genetics in the sport.
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Ronnie has good genetics...He just wasn't refined as a younger guy...I mean look at Dex he always had good genetics, but no one would have ever thought he would get as much muscle as he did judging from his NPC days
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Eight-time Mr. Olympia has bad genetics for bodybuilding, lol.
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I totally agree and you guys don't know shit about bodybuilding .
Hope this helps.
Are you kidding me che?
You don't win 8 sandows without exceptional genetics. So what if he's not on par to an old flex wheeler photo. What does that mean?
Maybe 10 people in the history of mankind have ever looked better than Flex, probably less. You think Ronnie's build there is average?
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If ANYONE on earth would know about being born with great genetics it would be Marvin Ward ::) ::) ::)
(http://pi.b5z.net/i/u/230085/i/Marvin_Ward_bodybuilder_muscledemon_com_ezr.jpg)
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Who the hell is Marvin Ward
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SHIT i just notice that dude has a camel toe, DAMN IT, that ruined my day, how could i pull such a fag move
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Where'd he get that tanktop? I need one of those ;D :D
It must feel like wearing...nothing at all! :D
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Apologies it's lee banks .... My bad
I'll ammend the title of the thread
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SHIT i just notice that dude has a camel toe, DAMN IT, that ruined my day, how could i pull such a fag move
(http://www.muscledemon.com/pictures/194lbs004.jpg)
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Yeah he has a good physique
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February 2010
" He didn't have the genetic gifts, but he made up for it with the heart to reach the top he's an inspirition"
uh not quite sure I agree with that...
Whoever was interviewing him should have followed up on this and asked for a detailed explanation , seriously how does one let that answer slide without a follow-up?
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Apologies it's lee banks .... My bad
I'll ammend the title of the thread
Haha ,thanks for confirming my statement.
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I totally agree and you guys don't know shit about bodybuilding .
Hope this helps.
no, it is YOU who does not know shit
ronnie has the most INSANE bodybuilding genetics EVER..........when it comes to building dense freaky vascular muscle mass...........he doest have THE best shape ever, and no one has ever argued he did
but we arent talking about shape
we're talking about muscle building genetics
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Who the hell is Marvin Ward
He won the LW class and his pro card at Nationals. One of the best LW BB around. Does anyone know if he is still in jail for bringing the gang members to the shooting range?
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He won the LW class and his pro card at Nationals. One of the best LW BB around. Does anyone know if he is still in jail for bringing the gang members to the shooting range?
Nice synthol in his biceps
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_INmcV0k2evA/SSog74gsm9I/AAAAAAAAA7Y/vko69sVQoaU/s320/_W5Q6733_CBTGCOQUCN.jpg)
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Nice synthol in his biceps
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_INmcV0k2evA/SSog74gsm9I/AAAAAAAAA7Y/vko69sVQoaU/s320/_W5Q6733_CBTGCOQUCN.jpg)
Your kidding right, Marvin is a 5'2 LW, the guy u posted is a 6'2 SHW and now pro.
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but we arent talking about shape
we're talking about muscle building genetics
Yes, we are talking about shape you retard.
muscle building genetics = response to drugs(amount of drugs ).
Flex was gifted ,competed around 230lbs he didn't need to be 280lbs to be competitive ,Ronnie at 240lbs was a 3rd tier Pro ,he upped the dosage became a monster and the rest is history.
Hope this helps
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Yes, we are talking about shape you retard.
muscle building genetics = response to drugs(amount of drugs ).
Flex was gifted ,competed around 230lbs he didn't need to be 280lbs to be competitive ,Ronnie at 240lbs was a 3rd tier Pro ,he upped the dosage became a monster and the rest is history.
Hope this helps
NO, it doesnt..........
here's the thing.........what amazing about your posting..........is that no matter what topic it is, your sure to have a retarded opinion
EVERYTHING you say is mind-blowing-ly idiotic............you know noting about bodybuilding, you know nothing about life in general
...........so i take no offense............carry on
flex never won an olympia with his smaller frame, even at his best year, against a structurally inferior dorian yates
and when flex did play the sized game.........and he did..........he got almost as big as ronnie there for a while look at the 99 olympia...........he got smoked and had to use pales of synthol
and to show im not being biased........i actually like flex better then ronnie, as a bodybuilder and as a person............but you cannot argue ronnies superiority
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NO, it doesnt..........
here's the thing.........what amazing about your posting..........is that no matter what topic it is, your sure to have a retarded opinion
EVERYTHING you say is mind-blowing-ly idiotic............you know noting about bodybuilding, you know nothing about life in general
...........so i take no offense............carry on
flex never won an olympia with his smaller frame, even at his best year, against a structurally inferior dorian yates
and when flex did play the sized game.........and he did..........he got almost as big as ronnie there for a while look at the 99 olympia...........he got smoked and had to use pales of synthol
and to show im not being biased........i actually like flex better then ronnie, as a bodybuilder and as a person............but you cannot argue ronnies superiority
::) I never said that Flex was a superior bodybuilder I said he had better genetics .
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NO, it doesnt..........
here's the thing.........what amazing about your posting..........is that no matter what topic it is, your sure to have a retarded opinion
EVERYTHING you say is mind-blowing-ly idiotic............you know noting about bodybuilding, you know nothing about life in general
...........so i take no offense............carry on
flex never won an olympia with his smaller frame, even at his best year, against a structurally inferior dorian yates
and when flex did play the sized game.........and he did..........he got almost as big as ronnie there for a while look at the 99 olympia...........he got smoked and had to use pales of synthol
and to show im not being biased........i actually like flex better then ronnie, as a bodybuilder and as a person............but you cannot argue ronnies superiority
Ronnies look was facilitated by extremely high dosages of drugs, when he was a more moderate user he was middle of the pack.
He doesn't have the shape or skeletal structure to be at the top at lower bodyweights. Same goes for Cutler, his structure is so terrible that without extreme ammounts of mass his physique isn't balanced out at all, Ronnie is superior to Jay but you get the idea.
If you are talking about the ability to take huge ammounts of drugs with little consequences from a health perspective and to carry artificial muscle mass, then i would say Ronnie is top. I don't think that is the criteria though.
Genetics equates to shape, structure, flow. You should look great at 170, 200, et cetera.
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No because flex looked better when they were younger means coleman has bad genetics
when they came into their own Coleman made nearly all of them look small
see 98 99 00 03 04,05 mr o no contest huge dense thick vascular muscle just hanging off him
are you talking about his cock? are there things?
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If ANYONE on earth would know about being born with great genetics it would be Marvin Ward ::) ::) ::)
(http://pi.b5z.net/i/u/230085/i/Marvin_Ward_bodybuilder_muscledemon_com_ezr.jpg)
Marvin is like 4'11, just like Papoose from Maryland (okay, maybe he is taller)
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I totally agree and you guys don't know shit about bodybuilding .
Hope this helps.
that pic only proves that ronnie may have some of the best arms in competitive bb'n history...
as far as geneitcs,,, yeah some guys just have those bb genes,,, small joints etc...
however,,,
those arent really the guys that win the shows,,, look at jay ron dorian etc., hell look at branch beatn out dex this year,,,
make the best of what you have
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Flex had a better shape but then again flex probably has the best shape of all time ... Ronnie isn't far off in terms of shape
ronnie blows him away in terms of size density thickness condition
ronnie has some of the best bodyparts of all time easy... Ronnie has the best of both worlds
I'd give ronnie the edge in over genetic dominance
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Yes, we are talking about shape you retard.
muscle building genetics = response to drugs(amount of drugs ).
Flex was gifted ,competed around 230lbs he didn't need to be 280lbs to be competitive ,Ronnie at 240lbs was a 3rd tier Pro ,he upped the dosage became a monster and the rest is history. Hope this helps
Ahhh, if I am not mistaken Ronnie won his first Olympia at around 240's and the 2001 Arnold Classic at around 240's as well. I wouldn't call that 3rd tier pro.
Who really knows what he was taking, if he was "supposely," taking lower dosages than the others and was already winning and when he "supposely," upped the dosages and left EVERYONE in the dust, that just shows how superior his genetics are.
Plus I am pretty sure at the pro level EVERYONE is taking tons of shit.
IMO, I think even Levrone had better genetics than Flex.
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Ahhh, if I am not mistaken Ronnie won his first Olympia at around 240's and the 2001 Arnold Classic at around 240's as well. I wouldn't call that 3rd tier pro.
Who really knows what he was taking, if he was "supposely," taking lower dosages than the others and was already winning and when he "supposely," upped the dosages and left EVERYONE in the dust, that just shows how superior his genetics are.
Plus I am pretty sure at the pro level EVERYONE is taking tons of shit.
IMO, I think even Levrone had better genetics than Flex.
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For Mass maybe, but not shape, nor back detail, nor arms...
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For Mass maybe, but not shape, nor back detail, nor arms...
Better width, better chest, rest is subjective.
Honestly Ronnies shape and lines look like shit to me, i just don't like his structure. He was the best of the mass monsters, if these competitions were limited to 190lb he wouldn't do shit with his structure.
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For Mass maybe, but not shape, nor back detail, nor arms...
You know what's funny. Out of the three; Levrone, Flex, and Ronnie, Cormier in a lot of ways a long with Shawn were the most balanced. But IMO, Cormier's only problem was his conditioning, many can argue that he doesn't have any bodyparts that stand out. Yes, but that's because he was one of the one's that could blend mass, symmetry, and having one of best structures as well.
Flex looked his best of course at lighter weights, but his frame couldn't hold the extra mass. Shawn, although almost perfect, but was too short, Flex, just had too much oil all over the place and weird looking calves, Levrone, although good early in his career, lost a lot of leg size, and because of his extreme shoulders to chest ratio, his physique wasn't too balanced.
Cormier, plenty of mass, has chest, arms, back, legs, everything. Just conditioning and possibly lack of focus contributed to not always looking his best.
BTW, I'm not a Cormier fanboy, just stating what I think ;D
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IMO Coleman had the best blend of everything genetics wise huge good shape dense
could flex ever carry a hard 250 260????? Narrow
overall Coleman and cormier
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Better width, better chest, rest is subjective.
Honestly Ronnies shape and lines look like shit to me, i just don't like his structure. He was the best of the mass monsters, if these competitions were limited to 190lb he wouldn't do shit with his structure.
in terms of Chest, Flex could have had a better one, that's training...width, I give you that
You know what's funny. Out of the three; Levrone, Flex, and Ronnie, Cormier in a lot of ways a long with Shawn were the most balanced. But IMO, Cormier's only problem was his conditioning, many can argue that he doesn't have any bodyparts that stand out. Yes, but that's because he was one of the one's that could blend mass, symmetry, and having one of best structures as well.
Flex looked his best of course at lighter weights, but his frame couldn't hold the extra mass. Shawn, although almost perfect, but was too short, Flex, just had too much oil all over the place and weird looking calves, Levrone, although good early in his career, lost a lot of leg size, and because of his extreme shoulders to chest ratio, his physique wasn't too balanced.
Cormier, plenty of mass, has chest, arms, back, legs, everything. Just conditioning and possibly lack of focus contributed to not always looking his best.
BTW, I'm not a Cormier fanboy, just stating what I think ;D
Actually I agree with you. Cormier was more balanced than Flex was. What got Flex thru was his tiny joints, waist and full round muscle bellies. It was his tiny waist that got him where he was. He was a fuller version of Brian Buchanan
Cormier looked like he could keep adding pounds, even at 250+ he looked he could hold 275 better and mored balanced than Ronnie or Dorian could.
What was his undoing is rec drugs, and a certain blonde (and coke whore) by the nane of Ahmo Hight...
IMO Coleman had the best blend of everything genetics wise huge good shape dense
could flex ever carry a hard 250 260????? Narrow
overall Coleman and cormier
Flex probably could have carried 250 pounds, had he incrementally added the weight, say by 5-8 pounds a yr. But, his body type is the same as Brian Buchana, Melvin Anthony, Jojo Ntiforo, they look better at a lighter bodyweight. Because they have super small waists, tiny joints and full muscles...
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For want of conditioning, Cormier had one of the best bodybuilding physiques ever. His balance was excellent and in my opinion, his type of balance is what should be winning the top titles.
It doesn't matter if Ronnie is freakier or if Flex has smaller joints, or if Branch is denser. A simple test of quality balance is how many poses a bodybuilder can do without looking silly. Labrada, Ray and Cormier (among others) not only looked great in the mandatories abut also in a myriad of other poses.
It seems now/ that you only need to be able to do a few mandatories and some most muscular variations. I mean, is there any physique out there that doesn't look good doing a most muscular?
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Who the hell is Marvin Ward
1999 NPC National Bantamweight Champion
2000 Team Universe Overall Champion (first to win a national-level overall title as a bantamweight)
2003 NPC National Bantamweight Champion
2008 NPC National Lightweight Champion
He’s basically qualified 3 times to turn pro (4 times, if you grandfather him a pro card, from his TU win) but has yet to do so.
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I totally agree and you guys don't know shit about bodybuilding .
Hope this helps.
Ok, so Coleman's genetics were not good because his abs were weird looking................. ... ::)
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Ok, so Coleman's genetics were not good because his abs were weird looking................. ... ::)
He had some of the worst abs i have seen, which happens to be quite an important bodypart. A droopy odd shaped chest structure, which combined with his abs makes his whole torso and zero calves. Just an all round funky build, he is in contention with Dorian for most fucked up overall physique.
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He had some of the worst abs i have seen, which happens to be quite an important bodypart. A droopy odd shaped chest structure, which combined with his abs makes his whole torso and zero calves. Just an all round funky build, he is in contention with Dorian for most fucked up overall physique.
Genetics for bodybuilding is more than shape though.........
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Genetics for bodybuilding is more than shape though.........
True. I think he had great genetics for size, density, cuts. But overall structure i don't rate that highly.
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Genetics for bodybuilding is more than shape though.........
his overall combination is best genetic wise along with cormier
Coleman could be in arguable every best ever list aside from calves and abs... How many other bbers can that be said about...
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/damnnnn.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/colmanhuuuuge.jpg)
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his overall combination is best genetic wise along with cormier
Coleman could be in arguable every best ever list aside from calves and abs... How many other bbers can that be said about...
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/damnnnn.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/colmanhuuuuge.jpg)
I agree, he was a true genetic freak.
I always think of Ronnie and Paul Dillet whenever genetics are spoken of in bb.
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For want of conditioning, Cormier had one of the best bodybuilding physiques ever. His balance was excellent and in my opinion, his type of balance is what should be winning the top titles.It doesn't matter if Ronnie is freakier or if Flex has smaller joints, or if Branch is denser. A simple test of quality balance is how many poses a bodybuilder can do without looking silly. Labrada, Ray and Cormier (among others) not only looked great in the mandatories abut also in a myriad of other poses.
It seems now/ that you only need to be able to do a few mandatories and some most muscular variations. I mean, is there any physique out there that doesn't look good doing a most muscular?
This...
Flex had genetics for taper and looking like cartoon character, but was best at a lighter weight. Ronnie, Dorian, Dillett, Nasser, Francois and even Cormier had genetics for density and adding weight. Cormier didn't start hitting his stride, after Flex fell off...he is a 5 time Ironman winner and 6x Arnold Classic 2nd place (He should have beat Jay both times)...
Flex can get by on his shape and taper, but it can cost him, when a much deserved Michael Francois won 1995 Arnold.
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This...
Flex had genetics for taper and looking like cartoon character, but was best at a lighter weight. Ronnie, Dorian, Dillett, Nasser, Francois and even Cormier had genetics for density and adding weight. Cormier didn't start hitting his stride, after Flex fell off...he is a 5 time Ironman winner and 6x Arnold Classic 2nd place (He should have beat Jay both times)...
Flex can get by on his shape and taper, but it can cost him, when a much deserved Michael Francois won 1995 Arnold.
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Yes, we are talking about shape you retard.
muscle building genetics = response to drugs(amount of drugs ).
Flex was gifted ,competed around 230lbs he didn't need to be 280lbs to be competitive ,Ronnie at 240lbs was a 3rd tier Pro ,he upped the dosage became a monster and the rest is history.
Hope this helps
interesting way to look at it...
part of the game is puttin on muscle
there are some thatd say in re to the comparison mention,,,
muscle weighs more than oil,,, allegedly...
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that pic is the essence of true bodybuilding fashion... where can I get that tight little number flex is sporting? ;D
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Rico McClinton, Chris Cormier, Flex Wheeler, John Sherman, who is the other dude? BTW, as I have said before, Chris Cormier has the type of physique where you could visually keeping adding muscle and he would look virtually the same from the 235 in that pic to 255,265...he just looks like he could keeping adding weight and still keep his shape...
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=351619.0;attach=386965)
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Cormier had the best looking quads (no homo) ..not the biggest, nor the most vascular but the most separated and well proportioned/symmetrical of anyone in that era .
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" well proportioned/symmetrical"
unfortunately that doesnt win the o
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" well proportioned/symmetrical"
unfortunately that doesnt win the o
right if it's not coupled with size , density & dryness
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Which is what ronnie had....
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February 2010
" He didn't have the genetic gifts, but he made up for it with the heart to reach the top he's an inspirition"
uh not quite sure I agree with that...
Incredibly long, round muscle bellies in all of his body. Relatively small frame that allows his round muscle bellies to billow into small joints giving an even grander impression of size, but not so small(like Wheeler's) that would ultimately compromise his mass potential. Bad genetic my ass. Ronnie did have some genetic flaws, the most obvious being the fact that his skeletal structure was not very proportional, with his legs being a little bit too long and his torso a little bit too short. Nevertheless, these shortcomings were small and overral Ronnie had truly great genetics.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I don't think Cormier ever came into his true potential or presented his best on stage. 99 was probably the closest. He should never be beaten by guys like Cutler ever, or even Dexter for the matter.
There is a reason why Dorian spoke the way he did about Chris.
That being said, we will never know as I think it's too late now, Chris is in his forties and the competition is a lot tighter now. But if Chris presented his BEST he would wipe the floor with Heath, Kai, Cutler, Dexter, Branch, etc...
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Incredibly long, round muscle bellies in all of his body. Relatively small frame that allows his round muscle bellies to billow into small joints giving an even grander impression of size, but not so small(like Wheeler's) that would ultimately compromise his mass potential. Bad genetic my ass. Ronnie did have some genetic flaws, the most obvious being the fact that his skeletal structure was not very proportional, with his legs being a little bit too long and his torso a little bit too short. Nevertheless, these shortcomings were small and overral Ronnie had truly great genetics.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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ronnie has some serious round and long muscle bellies ...
Just like flex... Flex has smaller joints
Flex had a better structure but ronnie could pack on a lot more muscle on his frame
that combination along with the fact that his muscles are slot denser harder and more vascular than his counterparts to me makes ronnie have the best genetics