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God of Hormones,
(die of jealousy bastards)
When talking about some pro bodybuilders, you have previously said "They are afraid to eat without insulin".
Can you explain this? What happens when these guys eat without using insulin?
Why? Did they turn into diabetics?
Also, do professionals use insulin only when bulking up or do they use it when cutting down for a contest too (considering that they do not want to eat without insulin)
Your answers are much appreciated God of Hormones....
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ooh brother...these stupid questions can be answered with google. ::)
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you cant get the secrets of slin use from the internet - there is no protocol for slin
pros who use it ---- they use it at every meal, dose varies due to what siht they are on at the timie
eatin without slin since in order to maintain 300lbs ripped you have to take in hella calories you have to eat dirty so slin is like a schoolbus for nutrients and transports shit where it needs to go.....its also a digestive enzyme somewhat
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well ill give you a decent protocol
80u long lasting morning before eating
25 to 30u fast acting with each meal including breakfast infact breakfast you can take it much higher
in contrary to beliefs, long acting is far more safe in contrast to fast
ifg u wanna get bigger, up the dosage
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well ill give you a decent protocol
80u long lasting morning before eating
25 to 30u fast acting with each meal including breakfast infact breakfast you can take it much higher
in contrary to beliefs, long acting is far more safe in contrast to fast
ifg u wanna get bigger, up the dosag
=DEAD AS A DOOR NAIL...
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well ill give you a decent protocol
80u long lasting morning before eating
25 to 30u fast acting with each meal including breakfast infact breakfast you can take it much higher
in contrary to beliefs, long acting is far more safe in contrast to fast
ifg u wanna get bigger, up the dosage
Whatever you do, don't listen to this idiot, following his advice will either kill you or get you placed in the ER
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well ill give you a decent protocol
80u long lasting morning before eating
25 to 30u fast acting with each meal including breakfast infact breakfast you can take it much higher
in contrary to beliefs, long acting is far more safe in contrast to fast
ifg u wanna get bigger, up the dosage
i suggest him to take 80iu's and then go take a nap.
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well ill give you a decent protocol
80u long lasting morning before eating
25 to 30u fast acting with each meal including breakfast infact breakfast you can take it much higher
in contrary to beliefs, long acting is far more safe in contrast to fast
ifg u wanna get bigger, up the dosage
isnt the rule of thumb ten grams of carbs for every unit of insulin............so this will be an meal where you eat 800g of carbohydrates (3200kcals)
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well ill tell you what
no wonder all you guys sit on less then muscular physiques all day long, wondering how they do it
u morons should learn when using slin you dont just go there at full amount directly, you build it up
second 10iu slin aint gonna do shit except ocasionannyl make you 'full' quicker
its like gh said you guys think in buying steroids couple of vials for a whole cycle
the pro's use that in days
same with slin
incredible unexperienced responses
if u r used to ir, you can take 50iu long slin and not even think about a meal before 2 hours, nothing will happen
long acting is the way to go, then add in the fast for maximum effect
gh never talks about slin becuz he doesnt want this info out but im telling it like it is
u can abuse slin without problems if u know what ur doing
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isnt the rule of thumb ten grams of carbs for every unit of insulin............so this will be an meal where you eat 800g of carbohydrates (3200kcals)
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The 10g/iu rule does not apply to long acting slin, as it drip feeds into the system over a period of several hours. Long acting slin is very unlikely to induce a hypo, I have used the stuff of a morning and by lunchtime had severe vomiting and been unable to eat - never went hypo.
Willl whilst your claims of 25-30iu with every meal are a little crazy you aren't far off with a big shot of long acting and several fast spikes throughout the day. I know people who have done 50iu lantus/20iu humalog in the morning and then 15iu humalog with ever other meal.
As for being scared to eat without it, that is simple psychological dependency, you do feel much better and fuller after eating big with high doses of slin.
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30 may seem much but if u rly wanna grow thats the way u go
some ppl go way beyond that
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100IU right before bed without eating and you are g2g
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This protocol will accomplish 1of the 3 things, or all of it:
1. You be dead
2. Become a type 2 diabetic
3. Increase your bodyfats at least20%
This moron will get some kid killed
well ill tell you what
no wonder all you guys sit on less then muscular physiques all day long, wondering how they do it
u morons should learn when using slin you dont just go there at full amount directly, you build it up
second 10iu slin aint gonna do shit except ocasionannyl make you 'full' quicker
its like gh said you guys think in buying steroids couple of vials for a whole cycle
the pro's use that in days
same with slin
incredible unexperienced responses
if u r used to ir, you can take 50iu long slin and not even think about a meal before 2 hours, nothing will happen
long acting is the way to go, then add in the fast for maximum effect
gh never talks about slin becuz he doesnt want this info out but im telling it like it is
u can abuse slin without problems if u know what ur doing
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This protocol will accomplish 1of the 3 things, or all of it:
1. You be dead
2. Become a type 2 diabetic
3. Increase your bodyfats at least20%
This moron will get some kid killed
Agree. I know a fair few that no.2 has happened to.
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none of the above
you fellas need to learn bbing from the start
you dont have aspirations to create bigger muscluar physiques thats why u dismiss reality as it is
in any case, even now that you know what to do and how to do it you will never learn and grow like your supposed to
thats why you, the masses, will never achieve anything worthwile and particularly not in bbing
good luck doing that
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This protocol will accomplish 1of the 3 things, or all of it:
1. You be dead
2. Become a type 2 diabetic
3. Increase your bodyfats at least20%
This moron will get some kid killed
I agree with this and feel the risk of dibetic coma for a NON-diabetis is quite real.
Having said THAT, I honestly know or fully understand why any bodybuilder would use slin to get bigger and more cut.
I know all the baqsic biochemisitry of how insulin works and see no advanatge from pouring it in unless you want to screw up your blood sugar badly
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none of the above
you fellas need to learn bbing from the start
you dont have aspirations to create bigger muscluar physiques thats why u dismiss reality as it is
in any case, even now that you know what to do and how to do it you will never learn and grow like your supposed to
thats why you, the masses, will never achieve anything worthwile and particularly not in bbing
good luck doing that
I admit to being somewhat ignorant about the more extreme practices in hardcore BB, ( only general drug and related info).
Perhaps you could explain to us why slin works and is needed. Thanks
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100IU right before bed without eating and you are g2g
:D
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allright i will answer in one sentence
slin works because it builds the muscle u so badly desire and work for
thats the why and how for ya
now, all you maggots can keep on thinking and believing that 10u of slin post workout will do the trick, i couldnt care less
if so, i really wonder why you guys aren't all mass monsters and actually know what you're talking about from 1st hand experience
but the dude asked a question about slin and my answer is the right answer no matter what u write
u have to quit thinking bbing is done on an internet board
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btw i will tell you what would happen if you take 100u of long acting before bed
in within 3 hours your body will have you woken up no matter what and ask for food
this will happen several times that night untill morning
no coma no nothing, right here for niente out of the slin handbook
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GH15 is busy enjoying his retirement from BB.
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Why don't u post a pic of yourself and let see what kinda mass monster 100iu can create?
allright i will answer in one sentence
slin works because it builds the muscle u so badly desire and work for
thats the why and how for ya
now, all you maggots can keep on thinking and believing that 10u of slin post workout will do the trick, i couldnt care less
if so, i really wonder why you guys aren't all mass monsters and actually know what you're talking about from 1st hand experience
but the dude asked a question about slin and my answer is the right answer no matter what u write
u have to quit thinking bbing is done on an internet board
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will is right of course.
One reason bodybuilders may NEED insulin all day long is heavy GH dosing.
You can easily handle much heavier doses than many think... if you know what you're doing.
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will's recommendation isnt crazy and its similar to what alot of people do. long acting is safer and works better than short acting. the combo is a little better. but slin doesnt do anything extreme. like spike said, it just shuttles nutrients, makes you 'full'. in massive 300lb monsters, and heavily muscles guys with ifbb size, then exo slin might be advantageous for a few reasons.
sidee note: nobody use insulin unless they do a ton of research about hypoglycemia and they take in plenty of carbs during the few hours their slin is active
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Doesn't it make you fat though?
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yeah it makes you really fat so you have to have a speedy metabolism and do some cardio and have a strick diet
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it wont make you fat, the food you eat will. as long as you dont eat too much food, particularly fats, then you wont add any fat. but slin wont really make you grow either, unless your already massive and even then it is more just about fullness and glycogen levels than about muscle growth.
more on the issue of getting fat... most guys running slin do it along side gh or t3 or both. when done that way, particularly with the combo, fat gaining is quite difficult. youd have to eat a shitload of both carbs and fats.
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ooh brother...these stupid questions can be answered with google. ::)
No way he is the "God of Hormones" ::) Gayest fucking thing i ever heard.. Ron, please ban the next asshole that says "God of Hormones" one more time. So tired of ra tards sucking this guys dick all the time.
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it wont make you fat, the food you eat will. as long as you dont eat too much food, particularly fats, then you wont add any fat. but slin wont really make you grow either, unless your already massive and even then it is more just about fullness and glycogen levels than about muscle growth.
more on the issue of getting fat... most guys running slin do it along side gh or t3 or both. when done that way, particularly with the combo, fat gaining is quite difficult. youd have to eat a shitload of both carbs and fats.
BOOM !
I can up my weight a lot with slin, but it's not really muscle.
just some fullness that will eventually go away
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BOOM !
I can up my weight a lot with slin, but it's not really muscle.
just some fullness that will eventually go away
Nasser begs to differ. 1994 vs. 1995
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like gh said the best time to use slin effectively for growth is when at low percentage bodyfat 8 to 10
use a lot of as, and if u can afford it gh
if predisposition to be lean u will never get fat no matter how many fries and burgers u eat
u need to workout ofcourse, short but intensive will do
if ur fat to start with then u shdnt use slin
done properly, slin will give you what you want and that is bigger muscle, not just fullness but bigger muscularity
somehow, in some ppl, slin is perceived to promote local muscle growth
note that different places you inject in body will have different time-frames to its release
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Nasser begs to differ. 1994 vs. 1995
Please don't compare this incredible bodybuilder with my shitty physique ! ;D
I see your point tho, maybe I am just using it wrong
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I still don't understand how insulin works from a bodybuilding perspective. No matter how much you eat, in a healthy person your body will produce the insulin necessary to process the carbs. I can see how injecting insulin speed up the process but so what? Why does cramming in nutrients faster make you build more muscle? And with long acting slin, you have slin always in your blood stream which just suppresses your own production. Why is that anabolic?
And why is insulin by itself virtually useless unless it is combined with HGH? What is the relationship that enhances the anabolic effect of the other? And is there a dosage correlation that if you take this much slin you have to take this much HGH?
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like gh said the best time to use slin effectively for growth is when at low percentage bodyfat 8 to 10
use a lot of as, and if u can afford it gh
if predisposition to be lean u will never get fat no matter how many fries and burgers u eat
u need to workout ofcourse, short but intensive will do
if ur fat to start with then u shdnt use slin
done properly, slin will give you what you want and that is bigger muscle, not just fullness but bigger muscularity
somehow, in some ppl, slin is perceived to promote local muscle growth
note that different places you inject in body will have different time-frames to its release
I know the general stuff and motivation as to why they use slin. C'mon can't you give me some biochemsitry here on how the actual mechanism works to build extra muscle. Thanks.I sincerely want some facts on this.
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gh15 must be tired from the Mr. O.
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100IU right before bed without eating and you are g2g
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I still don't understand how insulin works from a bodybuilding perspective. No matter how much you eat, in a healthy person your body will produce the insulin necessary to process the carbs. I can see how injecting insulin speed up the process but so what? Why does cramming in nutrients faster make you build more muscle? And with long acting slin, you have slin always in your blood stream which just suppresses your own production. Why is that anabolic?
And why is insulin by itself virtually useless unless it is combined with HGH? What is the relationship that enhances the anabolic effect of the other? And is there a dosage correlation that if you take this much slin you have to take this much HGH?
I never understood either
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I still don't understand how insulin works from a bodybuilding perspective. No matter how much you eat, in a healthy person your body will produce the insulin necessary to process the carbs. I can see how injecting insulin speed up the process but so what? Why does cramming in nutrients faster make you build more muscle? And with long acting slin, you have slin always in your blood stream which just suppresses your own production. Why is that anabolic?
And why is insulin by itself virtually useless unless it is combined with HGH? What is the relationship that enhances the anabolic effect of the other? And is there a dosage correlation that if you take this much slin you have to take this much HGH?
In a nutshell it just works better than endogenous insulin. I think its similar to when you put on very new muscle for the first time, its all glycogen and easy to lose. Take advantage of the extra size that's been accumulated along with the muscular strength and endurance. That size will solidify over time and be easier to retain. Lift heavy as fuck just like you should in order to get that hard, granite like muscle.
Without other anabolics like heavy AAS and especially GH which is amazingly synergistic, you wont see much as you mentioned. Coupled with T3 which offers a myriad of synergy as well you can put on some good size and keep it after time. Slin can just bloat you if you don't have the other anabolics and don't use it consistently. You need to be lean enough to go balls to the wall otherwise it just helps with recovery. Unfortunately when you bang it hard with slin you expose yourself to more danger, but that's the only way its advantageous.
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I know the general stuff and motivation as to why they use slin. C'mon can't you give me some biochemsitry here on how the actual mechanism works to build extra muscle. Thanks.I sincerely want some facts on this.
aight concerning 'biochemistry' procedure
talk to your local pharmacist and get you some slin
buy the pens and get needles
put the needle on the pen, no swab required,
rotate indicator on pen to get desired amount
jab in muscle anywhere u want and shoot
afet about 2 weeks doing this repetitively
u will notice increased muscularity and continue to see it as amounts and time increase
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I still don't understand how insulin works from a bodybuilding perspective. No matter how much you eat, in a healthy person your body will produce the insulin necessary to process the carbs. I can see how injecting insulin speed up the process but so what? Why does cramming in nutrients faster make you build more muscle? And with long acting slin, you have slin always in your blood stream which just suppresses your own production. Why is that anabolic?
And why is insulin by itself virtually useless unless it is combined with HGH? What is the relationship that enhances the anabolic effect of the other? And is there a dosage correlation that if you take this much slin you have to take this much HGH?
well, compare it with AS and that should make u udnerstand
lets say slin is just another strong AS for example, which u add to ur stack to make it more effective
thats all
no one said slin is useless without gh
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Nasser begs to differ. 1994 vs. 1995
thats a huge jump in 1 year!
wow :o
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take van b post,,put it with dustin post,,and you got your answers,,
what will say is true,,BUT! there is big but,,not everyone meant to be huge and be able to carry it nicely,,remember that my friends,,its not how much you inject ,,,it is how much you can tolerate how much you injeect,,and how you respond to it ,,the best fellas respond the best for higher doses of drugs,,ofcourse its all dependent on lean muscle mass,,to begin with you need to be true to yourself and know your LEAN MUSCLE MASS,,then have low enough body fat,,and no not saying you are 9 percent and be 14 ,,being true single digit is very important and trust me ,,a true single digit always look 10,15 pound bigger than his real size at the least!
you do need to know your body very well for insulin ,,VERY WELL,,not because you can die ,,but because you can just get fat ,,simply FAT SOFT AND USLESS,,so you do need low body fat and knowing your body well! DOET MATTERS ON HIGIH DOSES OF INSULIN!!
gh15 approved
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Can I just walk into any pharmacy and get insulin without a perscription?? Let's say Humalog, correct? :D
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well, compare it with AS and that should make u udnerstand
lets say slin is just another strong AS for example, which u add to ur stack to make it more effective
thats all
no one said slin is useless without gh
Anabolics promotes protein synthesis. That builds muscle. That I get. Insulin shuttles glucose into the cells to be use for energy. No matter how much you eat your body will produce enough insulin to store glucose in the cells and liver. Say you consume X amount of carbohydrates and your body produces Y amount of insulin. Great. Now say you consume the same X amount of carbohydrates and you pin whatever amount of slin that results, in combination with what your own body is producing, 10Y of insulin. So what? Same X amount of carbs? Same X amount of carbs shuttled to the cells? What's the big dealio? I just don't get it.
Now if I take insulin without carbs I can lower my blood sugar enough to stimulate a HGH response. I remember I had to take a medical test where one nurse inject insulin into one of my veins and when I pretty much began to lose consciousness they would pump dextrose into my other vein. On the chart I saw an inverse relationship between my blood sugar and HGH pulse. As blood sugar dropped HGH rose. Now that would be anabolic. Seems dangerous though. I would rather spring for the red tops.
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think bodybuilding, not mathematics
ull build more muscle
id have to add though that for most ppl, slin is not an option
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I still don't understand how insulin works from a bodybuilding perspective. No matter how much you eat, in a healthy person your body will produce the insulin necessary to process the carbs. I can see how injecting insulin speed up the process but so what? Why does cramming in nutrients faster make you build more muscle? And with long acting slin, you have slin always in your blood stream which just suppresses your own production. Why is that anabolic?
And why is insulin by itself virtually useless unless it is combined with HGH? What is the relationship that enhances the anabolic effect of the other? And is there a dosage correlation that if you take this much slin you have to take this much HGH?
I've used slin by itself, no AAS, no GH, nothing and I would say its not totally useless. It just seems to fill you out is all. What I really did notice though was that the days I took slin, that night after my workout I would be pissing my brains out. Like if you have ever done a keto diet, the first couple days you just piss and piss losing glycogen I believe. So, while I took the slin by itself, it would only work for a very short term fill up. With AAS, it works much better just because they(AAS) really help with glycogen retention on their own.
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I am waiting to get ripped then I'll start some slin again but with no higher than 3500 calories a day
I just don't how much to take.
last year I did 20 IU pre workout, 2 workout per days
it got me full as shit, but I don't know.. didn't seem like I got much "bigger" in term of new muscle mass
but if I remember well I got back with my ex around that time and maybe I started pussing out with the clean eating too.
I'll try again this year 8)
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In a nutshell it just works better than endogenous insulin. I think its similar to when you put on very new muscle for the first time, its all glycogen and easy to lose. Take advantage of the extra size that's been accumulated along with the muscular strength and endurance. That size will solidify over time and be easier to retain. Lift heavy as fuck just like you should in order to get that hard, granite like muscle.
Without other anabolics like heavy AAS and especially GH which is amazingly synergistic, you wont see much as you mentioned. Coupled with T3 which offers a myriad of synergy as well you can put on some good size and keep it after time. Slin can just bloat you if you don't have the other anabolics and don't use it consistently. You need to be lean enough to go balls to the wall otherwise it just helps with recovery. Unfortunately when you bang it hard with slin you expose yourself to more danger, but that's the only way its advantageous.
in addition to thism,, the overall cell swelling that aas and insulin causes will also send anabolic signal,, >> growth
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Anabolics promotes protein synthesis. That builds muscle. That I get. Insulin shuttles glucose into the cells to be use for energy. No matter how much you eat your body will produce enough insulin to store glucose in the cells and liver. Say you consume X amount of carbohydrates and your body produces Y amount of insulin. Great. Now say you consume the same X amount of carbohydrates and you pin whatever amount of slin that results, in combination with what your own body is producing, 10Y of insulin. So what? Same X amount of carbs? Same X amount of carbs shuttled to the cells? What's the big dealio? I just don't get it.
Now if I take insulin without carbs I can lower my blood sugar enough to stimulate a HGH response. I remember I had to take a medical test where one nurse inject insulin into one of my veins and when I pretty much began to lose consciousness they would pump dextrose into my other vein. On the chart I saw an inverse relationship between my blood sugar and HGH pulse. As blood sugar dropped HGH rose. Now that would be anabolic. Seems dangerous though. I would rather spring for the red tops.
calorie partitioning,, more calories goes to the muscle and grow you and less to fat if you don't eat too much fat,,, yes overall calories still matter but partitioning ratio of muscle vs fat will improve..specially if you are naturally lean,, but with drugs can compensate to a degree even if your not naturally lean but just dieted down lean,, this is another reason for not getting too fati n offseason,, quality is important to grow you
BF % is very important as lower BF will improve partioning of calories to muscle vs fat,,..
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Nasser begs to differ. 1994 vs. 1995
yes, as i said earlier, slin might be more advantageous for those who are very close to their genetic potential. at a certain point, your fighting against your body to grow bigger muscles. your body does not want to carry anm insane amount of muscle. its not good for survival. theres a ton of things going on inside a massive body that are trying to prevent growth, one of them being extremely low insulin output. this is mainly due to the extreme glycogen capacity available in huge bodybuilders, and the fact that insulin sensitivity and thus insulin levels are directly tied into glycogen levels.
, it just shuttles nutrients, makes you 'full'. in massive 300lb monsters, and heavily muscles guys with ifbb size, then exo slin might be advantageous for a few reasons.