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it's pretty ridiculous if you ask me. on one hand the guy can only do so much on the other, there are many other people/corporations pulling the strings. its a front. no conspiracy/ it is what it is.
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I don't think everything is put on the president, but the buck does (and should) stop with him. Same is true of the leader of any organization.
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it's pretty ridiculous if you ask me. on one hand the guy can only do so much on the other, there are many other people/corporations pulling the strings. its a front. no conspiracy/ it is what it is.
Because he is the figurehead of the nation and helps set the tone for a lot of things.
I agree with you that he should not get all the blame or credit, and that it is congress and senate who deserves most of the blame most of the time.
As far as Obama goes - the trifecta of Cap & trade, Obamacare, FINREG are so monumental as to heap a whole host of blame on obama. That much is true.
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it's pretty ridiculous if you ask me. on one hand the guy can only do so much on the other, there are many other people/corporations pulling the strings. its a front. no conspiracy/ it is what it is.
If that is the case then he's got a duty to inform The People that his role is merely ceremonial.
Knowledge is something we can act on. Speculation/conspiracy theories are not (and should not).
IMO Obama is turning into another domesticated representative of The People.
I tell you, any more of these down-with-Wall-Street, support-the-middle-class, I'm-for-lower-taxes "gurus" and someone's going to try something really stupid.
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What I expect Obama to say is things along the lines of "look, I'm trying to pass comprehensive health care reform... my party owns the two houses and I'm the president... but democrat x and democrat y are siding with the health care companies so I can't pass it". Then, the people who elected democrat x and democrat y can make a decision as to take them out or keep them in power. We need the politicians to finger out the bad apples.
We need to know. We demand to know.
Democracy is that mind-blowingly easy.
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hard to get anything done when Repubs filibuster everything
if the Repubs get back in power I hope the Dems do the same thing
surely the Repubs won't have a problem when it's their agenda getting blocked all the time
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If that is the case then he's got a duty to inform The People that his role is merely ceremonial.
Knowledge is something we can act on. Speculation/conspiracy theories are not (and should not).
IMO Obama is turning into another domesticated representative of The People.
I tell you, any more of these down-with-Wall-Street, support-the-middle-class, I'm-for-lower-taxes "gurus" and someone's going to try something really stupid.
Except you have Democrats running ads bragging about opposing Obama.
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For example: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=351667.0
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it's pretty ridiculous if you ask me. on one hand the guy can only do so much on the other, there are many other people/corporations pulling the strings. its a front. no conspiracy/ it is what it is.
I don't think people are looking at the larger picture. People are looking at the one president or the other but these economic problems have their roots in policies that go back decades and have nothing to do with the president. The president has no say in the decisions of the Federal Reserve, yet those decisions have a greater impact on the economy than any one the president could take. Don't get me wrong, Obama is as objectionable as Bush and in some ways is an even greater warmonger but 'all his fault', no way.
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hard to get anything done when Repubs filibuster everything
if the Repubs get back in power I hope the Dems do the same thing
surely the Repubs won't have a problem when it's their agenda getting blocked all the time
LMAO so its all the reps fault even though the dems had a super majority and could get anything they wanted passed without rep votes? ::) ::) ::)
youre a dolt dude, obammers agenda is the reason the economy is still in the state that it is in right now and you want more of it? :-X :-\
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it's pretty ridiculous if you ask me. on one hand the guy can only do so much on the other, there are many other people/corporations pulling the strings. its a front. no conspiracy/ it is what it is.
Where was this realization when Bush was in office?
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Where was this realization when Bush was in office?
lol thought this but didnt say it... ;)
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LMAO so its all the reps fault even though the dems had a super majority and could get anything they wanted passed without rep votes? ::) ::) ::)
youre a dolt dude, obammers Bernanke's agenda is the reason the economy is still in the state that it is in right now and you want more of it? :-X :-\
Fixed.
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wrong my friend, while he did play a role in the debacle as a whole...its obamas agenda that has stagnated the economy more so than anything in the past yr...
uncertainty in business is what keeps businesses from spending most US companies are sitting on loads of capital right now but with the extreme amount of uncertainty this administration has put in the market in regards to costs for businesses, why would they go out and spend money, hire new employees, expand?
health care, finereg, tax cuts expiration, cap/trade talk etc...are directly impacting the economy in a negative way.
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Except you have Democrats running ads bragging about opposing Obama.
Ok, then those who voted for those assholes have a duty to take them out.
It's as simple as that.
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What I expect Obama to say is things along the lines of "look, I'm trying to pass comprehensive health care reform... my party owns the two houses and I'm the president... but democrat x and democrat y are siding with the health care companies so I can't pass it". Then, the people who elected democrat x and democrat y can make a decision as to take them out or keep them in power. We need the politicians to finger out the bad apples.
We need to know. We demand to know.
Democracy is that mind-blowingly easy.
Great post. However, what happened what the exact opposite. Obama/Reid/Pelosi had to get anything, something, no matter how bad it was, slap a 'Health Care " label on it in order to justify ythe year they spent ignoring the economy while UE was still rising and to not look like utter fools.
Instead, they passed one of the worst bills ever, not to mention grossly ill-timed, that is ecxactly the opposite of what they promised.
And it is not as if some of us did not warn you guys all a long the way as to the disgusting deals and crooked back room arrangements that were made. We did! I was shouted down by the "ramn it through" crowd who cared not a lick about the details or funding mechanism of this mess and look where we are. UE still rising, premiuims going up, hospitals closing, states suing left and right since the medicaid unfunded mandates are a killer to the states, etc etc.
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Great post. However, what happened what the exact opposite. Obama/Reid/Pelosi had to get anything, something, no matter how bad it was, slap a 'Health Care " label on it in order to justify ythe year they spent ignoring the economy while UE was still rising and to not look like utter fools.
Instead, they passed one of the worst bills ever, not to mention grossly ill-timed, that is ecxactly the opposite of what they promised.
And it is not as if some of us did not warn you guys all a long the way as to the disgusting deals and crooked back room arrangements that were made. We did! I was shouted down by the "ramn it through" crowd who cared not a lick about the details or funding mechanism of this mess and look where we are. UE still rising, premiuims going up, hospitals closing, states suing left and right since the medicaid unfunded mandates are a killer to the states, etc etc.
I'm actually in favor of heath care reform.
What I'm trying to say is that I'm in favor of republicans or democrats delivering on their promises. If they run their campaign on "more jobs, more choices of health care, better unemployment benefits, smaller government" then, by all means, you MUST deliver on the promises. If you don't, point out WHO the fuck is blocking the bills from passing and get rid him/her. Be it democrat or republican.
What we CANNOT HAVE, AT ALL, like... NEVER! is a bunch of politicians running amock, saying they're goint to deliver x and y and not not doing it. Furthermore, we need them to specify what is important for them, what are their priorities once they get into office and how/when they're going to carry out their agenda. Once you got them by the balls the rest is easy.
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I don't think people are looking at the larger picture. People are looking at the one president or the other but these economic problems have their roots in policies that go back decades and have nothing to do with the president. The president has no say in the decisions of the Federal Reserve, yet those decisions have a greater impact on the economy than any one the president could take. Don't get me wrong, Obama is as objectionable as Bush and in some ways is an even greater warmonger but 'all his fault', no way.
A lot of what you said is true but when a president creates a regulatory czar that completely bypasses congress, that has unchecked power, then you're dealing with a whole new animal.
Obama for better or worse has taken a lot of power upon himself never intended to be held by the president, so when we look at that fact there is no question as to where a large portion of the blame lies.
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Where was this realization when Bush was in office?
rarely do this
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Maybe everyone is blaming Obama for so much because obama is everywhere, all the time, trying to do everything on every issue, make radical transofmration of society, and cant keep his incompetent face off of the tv for more than 5 seconds.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/10/17/obama_on_gop_the_empire_is_striking_back.html
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it's pretty ridiculous if you ask me. on one hand the guy can only do so much on the other, there are many other people/corporations pulling the strings. its a front. no conspiracy/ it is what it is.
I see people blaming congress just as much.
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hard to get anything done when Repubs filibuster everything
if the Repubs get back in power I hope the Dems do the same thing
surely the Repubs won't have a problem when it's their agenda getting blocked all the time
You mean to tell me that it's the Repubs who have kept the Dems from doing more damage than they've already done? Go Repubs! ;D
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hard to get anything done when Repubs filibuster everything
if the Repubs get back in power I hope the Dems do the same thing
surely the Repubs won't have a problem when it's their agenda getting blocked all the time
Straw - if the GOP spent two years in the majority trying to pass abortion bans, banning gays, trying to end SS, trying to end all welfare and food stamps, do you think the Dems would just sit idly by.
The public is ready to vote the GOP back in power BECAUSE they did not go along with obama's craziness.
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hard to get anything done when Repubs filibuster everything
if the Repubs get back in power I hope the Dems do the same thing
surely the Repubs won't have a problem when it's their agenda getting blocked all the time
They had 60 freaking votes in the senate,they couldnt fillabuster anything.It was after Obama tried to pass a bunch of crap that Mass went their way to be able to fillabuster.But I hope the dems do fillabuster so nothing gets done or passed.Republicans wont fund Obama care and the private sector can get back to running the freaking country.
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Well its not like that with everyone...when its about Bush's 8 years....get over it
When its obamas 2 years...He did that shit
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Well its not like that with everyone...when its about Bush's 8 years....get over it
When its obamas 2 years...He did that shit
Bush had 52 consecutive months of job growth.As soon as Obama has ONE month of Job growth we will give him credit.Two years ZERO job growth from him.
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Bush had 52 consecutive months of job growth.As soon as Obama has ONE month of Job growth we will give him credit.Two years ZERO job growth from him.
Because everything was all good when he took over...No the freaking recession wasnt on until November 2008...thats what happened ::)..
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Because everything was all good when he took over...No the freaking recession wasnt on until November 2008...thats what happened ::)..
Again Mal - UE has gone only up and up, economy worse, all with ZERO end in sight. At what point is it fair to place blame on him for at least part of the mess we are in?
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Again Mal - UE has gone only up and up, economy worse, all with ZERO end in sight. At what point is it fair to place blame on him for at least part of the mess we are in?
Dude you know the economy recovers in phases...and that part hasnt recovered..and Stim bill or not.. jobs would have continued to go.. I dont care if Jesus Christ himself was the president in November 2008...by december 2009 the jobs would have still gone...and it could have been more if the GM bail out didnt happen...but it sounds good to say..."ohh look obamas the president and jobs didnt appear despite the economic status"...True story
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Dude you know the economy recovers in phases...and that part hasnt recovered..and Stim bill or not.. jobs would have continued to go.. I dont care if Jesus Christ himself was the president in November 2008...by december 2009 the jobs would have still gone...and it could have been more if the GM bail out didnt happen...but it sounds good to say..."ohh look obamas the president and jobs didnt appear despite the economic status"...True story
I have a thread going with over 150 articles directly detailing the policies obama, has, is, or plans to implement which is destroying jobs and economy.
Sorry, if you now want to play the "poor barack can't catch a break" card, sorry charlie - that doesnt fly anymore.
He has spent TRILLIONS with almost no positive effect, has had his stim bill and obamacare go through along with a whole host of other plans, and nothing has worked.
So again - when do you start giving out some blame to reid/pelosi/obama for the worsening situation we are in? 4 years of dem congress and 2 with Obama obviously is not enough time, so I want to know, how long before you say enough is enough?
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Because everything was all good when he took over...No the freaking recession wasnt on until November 2008...thats what happened ::)..
So then your admitting the economy fell apart when democrats took over congress?
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IF the national consenses and the economic community say that the country was running well economically and as soon as 2006 hit and dems took over...it went to shit... i would agree...but what i cant agree with is "the country was shit before Obama took over and it should be all solved in 2 years with extreme opposition." im just too logical for that,.
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IF the national consenses and the economic community say that the country was running well economically and as soon as 2006 hit and dems took over...it went to shit... i would agree...but what i cant agree with is "the country was shit before Obama took over and it should be all solved in 2 years with extreme opposition." im just too logical for that,.
Nobody said he came in to roses. But by most measures things are still getting worse 2 years later from when he came in.
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IF the national consenses and the economic community say that the country was running well economically and as soon as 2006 hit and dems took over...it went to shit... i would agree...but what i cant agree with is "the country was shit before Obama took over and it should be all solved in 2 years with extreme opposition." im just too logical for that,.
No one is saying its all his fault.BUT if I sart a fire at a house,and you come along and throw gas on it,you cant say "I had nothing to do with the house burning down".
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Nobody said he came in to roses. But by most measures things are still getting worse 2 years later from when he came in.
That fundamentally wrong..if he came in and we were declared in a recession..and by april 2009 (i think) we were out of the recession how can you say it got worse
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That fundamentally wrong..if he came in and we were declared in a recession..and by april 2009 (i think) we were out of the recession how can you say it got worse
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More people than ever are on food stamps, foreclosures hit a new record last month, UE still rising, debt and deficit skyrocketing, inflation about tto it, dollar worth less by the day, etc etc.
Mal - I expect better from you.
Obama 2012 - "Hey - it could have been worse"
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More people than ever are on food stamps, foreclosures hit a new record last month, UE still rising, debt and deficit skyrocketing, inflation about tto it, dollar worth less by the day, etc etc.
Mal - I expect better from you.
Obama 2012 - "Hey - it could have been worse"
So what i stated was wrong?
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So what i stated was wrong?
The recession was over, and we entered a depression! just look at the reality bro - foreflosures, food stamps, ue, bankruptcies, defaults on home loans, etc etc are all still at record levels.
Again - no dissrespect - but econ aint your thing.
The only reason why on a technical basis the "recession" was declared over, is due to govt printing presses creating money out of thin air, back by nothing whatsoever. Take away the govt printing presses and we would still be cascading lower by that standard, which is largely a sham anyway.
I bumped my thread on inflation specifically for you, but I guess actually learing about real economics takes a back seat to Obama/Pelosi talking points that are a mile wide and a millimeter thick.
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The recession was over, and we entered a depression! just look at the reality bro - foreflosures, food stamps, ue, bankruptcies, defaults on home loans, etc etc are all still at record levels.
Again - no dissrespect - but econ aint your thing.
The only reason why on a technical basis the "recession" was declared over, is due to govt printing presses creating money out of thin air, back by nothing whatsoever. Take away the govt printing presses and we would still be cascading lower by that standard, which is largely a sham anyway.
I bumped my thread on inflation specifically for you, but I guess actually learing about real economics takes a back seat to Obama/Pelosi talking points that are a mile wide and a millimeter thick.
Can you quote me where Economists sayt we are declared in a Depression. I had no idea.
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Can you quote me where Economists sayt we are declared in a Depression. I had no idea.
Which ones? Sorry - I dont taking talking points from ivory tower academics who are utterly cluess on most things and said everything was fine as of 2007 and even into part of 2008.
I listen to people who were right before all the pollyanas came out of the woodwork.
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Which ones? Sorry - I dont taking talking points from ivory tower academics who are utterly cluess on most things and said everything was fine as of 2007 and even into part of 2008.
I listen to people who were right before all the pollyanas came out of the woodwork.
I just wanted to show where we were declared in a Depression.. because a recession is defined to be a period of two quarters of negative GDP growth. Am i right?
Depression is considerably worse than recessions. And economists have believed for some time, that the recession ended in the summer of 2009. The economy started growing again in the July-to-September quarter of 2009.
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Part of the problem with the GDP calculation is that it includes government spending as part of it. Now they just dumped an ass load of money into the stimulus, of course it is going to skew the number.
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I just wanted to show where we were declared in a Depression.. because a recession is defined to be a period of two quarters of negative GDP growth. Am i right?
Depression is considerably worse than recessions. And economists have believed for some time, that the recession ended in the summer of 2009. The economy started growing again in the July-to-September quarter of 2009.
The "recession" and "depression" labels are completely worthless and 100% politicized. Also, the criteria determining what is what might be the dumbest concept in economics.
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Part of the problem with the GDP calculation is that it includes government spending as part of it. Now they just dumped an ass load of money into the stimulus, of course it is going to skew the number.
That was exactly my point. It went right over Mals' head.
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The "recession" and "depression" labels are completely worthless and 100% politicized. Also, the criteria determining what is what might be the dumbest concept in economics.
I can accept that but when the terms are thrown around by individuals to add shock value for their political point, i have to go back to the clinical definition..no?
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That was exactly my point. It went right over Mals' head.
Son dont play yourself. You arent sayin anything that goes over my head.. you are the one who said Obama called SWAT on grandmothers.. so im sorry if i have to take your analysis with a grain of salt and do my own research.,
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I can accept that but when the terms are thrown around by individuals to add shock value for their political point, i have to go back to the clinical definition..no?
Yes, but most people don't know that the criteria for labeling an economy as being in a depression and recession are easily manipulated because of politics. Obama is doing this now but he's hardly the first.
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Yes, but most people don't know that the criteria for labeling an economy as being in a depression and recession are easily manipulated because of politics. Obama is doing this now but he's hardly the first.
Oh i understand what you are saying.. but when someone says we are in a depression and the US looks nothing like the 1930s... i cant rock with that
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Son dont play yourself. You arent sayin anything that goes over my head.. you are the one who said Obama called SWAT on grandmothers.. so im sorry if i have to take your analysis with a grain of salt and do my own research.,
Here is another thing Mal - Obama always says the buck stops with him on issues, yet immediately goes into bash bush mode.
He wants the talking point to sound good about accepting responsibility, but when anyone points out that things are getting worse - its back to bash bush.
don't you see how ridiculous this act is getting?
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Oh i understand what you are saying.. but when someone says we are in a depression and the US looks nothing like the 1930s... i cant rock with that
Its called 41 million on food stamps, public housing, UE for 99 weeks, rising welfare rolls etc etc. Those things were not available in the 1930's.
Stop playing so dumb, I expect this from blacken, not you.
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Its called 41 million on food stamps, public housing, UE for 99 weeks, rising welfare rolls etc etc. Those things were not available in the 1930's.
Stop playing so dumb, I expect this from blacken, not you.
so we are in the same shape as in 1930?
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so we are in the same shape as in 1930?
Worse. In the 1930's people were far more self sufficient and din to have the level of personal debt and taxation that we have now. The nation did not have a massive national debt and crippling unfunded mandates with entitlement programs like we have now enslaving future generations to a life of debt.
Take away food stamps for 41 million people as well as public housing in major cities along with welfare, and guess what happens within 2 weeks Mal?
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Worse. In the 1930's people were far more self sufficient and din to have the level of personal debt and taxation that we have now. The nation did not have a massive national debt and crippling unfunded mandates with entitlement programs like we have now enslaving future generations to a life of debt.
Take away food stamps for 41 million people as well as public housing in major cities along with welfare, and guess what happens within 2 weeks Mal?
Fuckhead.. the unemployment rate was 24%...i mean god damn. Why do you try and pull this shit.
and there werent any people on foodstamps before Obama...God damn bro just be objective with out this dumb ass spin
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Fuckhead.. the unemployment rate was 24%...i mean god damn. Why do you try and pull this shit.
and there werent any people on foodstamps before Obama...God damn bro just be objective with out this dumb ass spin
That was at the WORST of the depression. We have a real UE rate of 17.6% right now according to the real number, the U6 number. and that number is rising.
Maybe you need to bone up on your economic knoweldge. Sorry, bro - this just aint your area.
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right.. try to down play my economic knowledge. But you are the one who is all over the place.. you say federal taxes rised but there was a break for americans and then you insert a smokes tax.. ok...keep reaching...
then you spew the shit that we are in a depression but not from economists, no...you dont go off what ivy leauge elitists say, you go off what your like minded friend thinks, while i point out the clinical definition of the terms depression and recession. And you can keep adding factors to bolster your argument and then say "yeah you dont know economics, and maybe i dont, but i do know definitions and what you sayin aiint matching up to the definitions.
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right.. try to down play my economic knowledge. But you are the one who is all over the place.. you say federal taxes rised but there was a break for americans and then you insert a smokes tax.. ok...keep reaching...
then you spew the shit that we are in a depression but not from economists, no...you dont go off what ivy leauge elitists say, you go off what your like minded friend thinks, while i point out the clinical definition of the terms depression and recession. And you can keep adding factors to bolster your argument and then say "yeah you dont know economics, and maybe i dont, but i do know definitions and what you sayin aiint matching up to the definitions.
333386 owned ;D
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right.. try to down play my economic knowledge. But you are the one who is all over the place.. you say federal taxes rised but there was a break for americans and then you insert a smokes tax.. ok...keep reaching...
then you spew the shit that we are in a depression but not from economists, no...you dont go off what ivy leauge elitists say, you go off what your like minded friend thinks, while i point out the clinical definition of the terms depression and recession. And you can keep adding factors to bolster your argument and then say "yeah you dont know economics, and maybe i dont, but i do know definitions and what you sayin aiint matching up to the definitions.
Which economist do you want me to quote? You asked me to draw a comparison to the 1930's to now and i did. i'm not talking about stuff like ipads, and shit like that - i am talking about monetary situation, debt, mandates, employment, govt spending, etc.
As for my statement on taxes - again - you are too uninformed on these issues to really have a discussion with. Sorry - its true. i bumped my thread on inflation as the hidden tax and you completely ignored it. Why? Because you just can't possibly imagine that the idiotic talking points from the Messiah don't hold any water and things are drastically worse than you are being told.
On economics definitions - like i said - you are too light in your understanding of how the GDP is computed to really have a discussion with if you think the "official" economists were right when they declared an end to the recession. The recession was ended on paper only due to MASSIVE FEDERAL RESERVE printing money out of nothing, based on nothing, backed by nothing. If you can't see that, sorry, its time for you to bone up on these issues.
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333386 owned ;D
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Yeah, owned - Mal doesnt even know how the GDP is configured and you can't even type a coherent sentence and I am owned, got it.
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Yeah, owned - Mal doesnt even know how the GDP is configured and you can't even type a coherent sentence and I am owned, got it.
how the fuck do you figure i dont know how gross domestic product is configured?...Im goin off what Economists say. the same economists who declared we were in a recession declared when it was done.. what the fuck are you saying fam?
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Which economist do you want me to quote? You asked me to draw a comparison to the 1930's to now and i did. i'm not talking about stuff like ipads, and shit like that - i am talking about monetary situation, debt, mandates, employment, govt spending, etc.
As for my statement on taxes - again - you are too uninformed on these issues to really have a discussion with. Sorry - its true. i bumped my thread on inflation as the hidden tax and you completely ignored it. Why? Because you just can't possibly imagine that the idiotic talking points from the Messiah don't hold any water and things are drastically worse than you are being told.
On economics definitions - like i said - you are too light in your understanding of how the GDP is computed to really have a discussion with if you think the "official" economists were right when they declared an end to the recession. The recession was ended on paper only due to MASSIVE FEDERAL RESERVE printing money out of nothing, based on nothing, backed by nothing. If you can't see that, sorry, its time for you to bone up on these issues.
Im just going off your statements and comparing them with the true working definitions of economists who arent partisan and not a federal department
National Bureau of Economic Research....i go off what they say before i listen to 333 who said obama called the swat team on grandmothers...
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Right - cause they have been so utterly reliable so far. ::) ::)
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Im just going off your statements and comparing them with the true working definitions of economists who arent partisan and not a federal department
National Bureau of Economic Research....i go off what they say before i listen to 333 who said obama called the swat team on grandmothers...
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Try making your own argument for once thief.
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i like watching you get owned ;D
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i like watching you get owned ;D
Owned? please - Mal doesnt even know how the GDP numbers are congifured and why it is a farce and you call me owned? Yeah, ok.
I listen to guys like Schiff, Celente, Chapman, and others who were right all along, not pollyanas and hacks like Krugman and others who tell you what you want to hear.
And Mal - please show me even one left wing economist - or "official economist" even a 1/10th as accurate as Peter is in this clip.
If you can give me one clip i will concede this to you. Show me one "official economist" you rely upon from 2002 to 2009 remotely as accurate as Schiff
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Again how do you know i dont know what the GDP is and how it is configured? beause my major was Bio/Pre-Med
dude i took macro and micro in undergrad too.
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i like watching you get owned ;D
This is hilariously ironic.
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Again how do you know i dont know what the GDP is and how it is configured? beause my major was Bio/Pre-Med
dude i took macro and micro in undergrad too.
I don't care if you took basket weaving in college - your inability to see the fallacy of the crap coming from "official economists" as it relates to the real state of the economy is telling.
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Im not talkin about "owning" anyone about American Politics, but if you can go off the clinical definition to describe negatives of our government, you have to go off the same definition by the same people to report the positives. You cant say, "they were right then, but now they are wrong because you gotta add this in and that in"
Especially from "Swat team sky is falling repubs are hotter" 333...and if you want to be real about it, a shit load of factors can be added in to make an argument go either way, the effects of this and that. but the fact remains you have to go by the definitions, or shut the fuck up. and 333 can talk about the fact that i dont have a degree in economics of finance, but what i can do is read a working definition.
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Im not talkin about "owning" anyone about American Politics, but if you can go off the clinical definition to describe negatives of our government, you have to go off the same definition by the same people to report the positives. You cant say, "they were right then, but now they are wrong because you gotta add this in and that in"
Especially from "Swat team sky is falling repubs are hotter" 333...and if you want to be real about it, a shit load of factors can be added in to make an argument go either way, the effects of this and that. but the fact remains you have to go by the definitions, or shut the fuck up. and 333 can talk about the fact that i dont have a degree in economics of finance, but what i can do is read a working definition.
I go by reality - not flim flam crap from propaganda agents from the govt to justify their horrible policies. If you want rest on that, fine, stay clueless along with your fellow dems still supporting Obama, Geithner, Ben, etc.
When food stamps, foreclosures, bankruptcies, UE, welfare, etc are all going up - what does that tell you? I guess according to your "college professor", or Obama, or the shills in the media - things are improving. ::) ::)
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My father, Bill, recalls being startled by loud cheering in the school nearby. It was the end of World War I and he was 3 years old. As a typical teenage boy, Bill focused on food and cars. “Street cars and Model T Fords appeared in the late 1920s. A lot of foods were becoming packaged and chicken houses were disappearing from backyards. Food was still very cheap. A loaf of bread cost 10˘. Then came the steamer and high-powered luxury cars (Pikes Peak Motor with high-gear capacity).” Dad’s family was middle class, but the Depression affected everyone. “Food and jobs were hard to get and many people stood in lines for government hand-outs. A lot of people lived on powdered milk, dried beans, and potatoes.” In Chicago, a crowd of men fought over a barrel of garbage -- food scraps for their families.
http://www.allabouthistory.org/life-during-the-great-depression.htm