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PARIS (AP) -- Masked youths clashed with police and set fires in cities across France on Tuesday as protests against a proposed hike in the retirement age took an increasingly radical turn. Hundreds of flights were canceled, long lines formed at gas stations and train service in many regions was cut in half.
President Nicolas Sarkozy pledged to crack down on "troublemakers" and guarantee public order, raising the possibility of more confrontations with young rioters after a week of disruptive but largely nonviolent demonstrations.
Sarkozy also vowed to ensure that fuel was available to everyone. More than 1,000 gas stations are currently shuttered nationwide.
The protesters are trying to prevent the French parliament from approving a bill that would raise the retirement age from 60 to 62 to help prevent the pension system from going bankrupt. Many workers feel the change would be a first step in eroding France's social benefits -- which include long vacations, contracts that make it hard for employers to lay off workers and a state-subsidized health care system -- in favor of "American-style capitalism."
Sarkozy's conservative government points out that 62 is among the lowest retirement ages in the world, the French are living much longer and the pension system is losing money. The workers say the government could find pension savings elsewhere, such as by raising contributions from employers.
In Paris, huge crowds started marching from the Place d'Italie in the south toward the gilded-domed Invalides, where Napoleon is buried. The protest appeared peaceful, but law-enforcement officials were bracing for possible confrontations with youth. Police estimated the crowd at 60,000, down from 65,000 at a similar march last week.
At a high school in the Paris suburb of Nanterre, closed because of earlier violence, a few hundred youths started throwing stones from a bridge at nearly as many police, who responded with tear gas and barricaded the area. It was not immediately clear if there were injuries or arrests. Youths also knocked an Associated Press photographer off his motorbike and kicked and punched him as they rampaged down a street adjacent to the school. Another AP photographer was hit in the face by an empty glass bottle in Lyon, where protests turned violent and rioters smashed several store windows.
The violence recalled student protests in 2006 that forced the government to abandon a law making it easier for employers to hire and fire young people. Those protests started peacefully but degenerated into violence, with troublemakers smashing store windows and setting cars and garbage cans ablaze.
The specter of 2005 riots that spread through poor housing projects nationwide with large, disenfranchised immigrant populations was also present.
At the Place de la Republique in eastern Paris on Tuesday, young people pelted riot police with projectiles, while youth in the central city of Lyon torched garbage cans and cars as police riposted with clouds of tear gas.
It was the sixth national day of demonstrations over the planned pension reform since early September. Union leaders have vowed to keep up pressure until the government scraps the unpopular plan and opens negotiations.
Sarkozy called the reform his "duty" as head of state and said it must go through to save France's generous but money-losing pension system. The protests in France come as countries across Europe are cutting spending and raising taxes to bring down record deficits and debts from the worst recession in 70 years.
The Paris airport authority warned on its website and in signs at the airports: "Strike on Oct. 19. Serious difficulties expected in access to airports and air traffic." France's DGAC civil aviation authority said up to half of flights Tuesday out of Paris' Orly airport would be scrapped, and 30 percent of flights out of other French airports, including the country's largest, Charles de Gaulle, serving Paris, would be canceled.
Most cancellations were on short- and medium-haul domestic and inter-European flights. The walkout by air traffic controllers was expected to last one day, with flights expected to return to normal on Wednesday.
At the airport in the Atlantic city of Bordeaux, scores of protesters blocked the entrance for several hours Tuesday morning.
Strikes by oil refinery workers have sparked fuel shortages that forced at least 1,000 gas stations to be shuttered. Other stations saw large crowds. At an Esso station on the southeast edge of Paris on Tuesday morning, the line snaked along a city block and some drivers stood with canisters to stock gasoline in case of shortages.
Sarkozy said such shortages "cannot exist in a democracy."
"There are people who want to work, the immense majority, and they cannot be deprived of gasoline," he insisted.
Police in the northwestern town of Grand-Quevilly intervened early Tuesday morning to dislodge protesters blocking a fuel depot, which had been completely sealed off since Monday morning, local officials there said. No one was hurt in the operation, the officials said.
Truckers have joined the protest, running so-called "escargot" operations in which they drive at a snail's pace on highways. On Tuesday, about 20 truckers blocked an oil depot in Nanterre west of Paris operated by oil giant Total, turning away fellow truckers coming to fill up with gasoline. Police stood by but did not intervene.
Students entered the fray last week, blockading high schools around the country and staging protests that have occasionally degenerated into clashes with police.
Across the country, 379 high schools were blocked or disrupted Tuesday to varying degrees, the Education Ministry said. It was the highest figure so far in the student movement against the retirement reform. Student movements have forced previous governments to back off planned reforms in the past, and student leaders hope these protests will prove as successful.
The head of the UNEF student union, Jean-Baptiste Prevost, said the students "have no other solution but to continue."
"Every time the government is firm, there are more people in the street," he told i-tele news channel, predicting a large turnout for Tuesday's street marches.
With disruptions on the national railway entering their eighth consecutive day Tuesday, many commuters' patience was beginning to wear thin. Only about one in two trains were running on some of the Paris Metro lines, and commuters had to elbow their way onto packed trains.
In a statement posted on its website, the SNCF railway operator said only about half the regularly scheduled high-speed TGV trains linking Paris to regional French cities was operating Tuesday, while fast trains between regions was slashed by 75 percent. The Eurostar, which links Paris to London via the British Channel tunnel, is unaffected, the statement said.
In the Mediterranean port city of Marseille, strikes by garbage collectors have left heaps of trash piled along city sidewalks. But still, the piles of rotting garbage don't appear to have diminished labor union support in a city that has long had an activist reputation.
"Transport, the rubbish, the nurses, the teachers, the workers, the white collar, everyone who works, we should all be united. If there is no transport today, we're not all going to die from it," said 55-year-old resident Francoise Michelle.
Sarkozy has stressed that 62 is among the lowest retirement ages in Europe, the French are living much longer and the pension system is losing money.
The measure is expected to pass a vote in the Senate this week. Slated to take place on Wednesday, it's been pushed back until later in the week so lawmakers have the time to examine hundreds of amendments brought by opposition Socialists and others.
Student leaders have called for a demonstration in front of the Senate on Wednesday and another round of strikes at high schools and universities on Thursday.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/French-retirement-protests-apf-1844938421.html?x=0
The French are mad because they'll have to wait until age 62 to retire. ::)
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Speaking of the French have you seen their new standard issue army knife?
(http://lindasog.com/cowards/French-Army-Knife.jpg)
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No matter what anyone says about America at large, we are probably the hardest working of the non-third world countries today. Less benefits, longer hours, more self sufficency, lower taxes and even in this economic downturn most Americans aren't standing around with their hands out bitching.
In France, kids who have never worked a day in their lives are leaving their high school to throw rocks at police and riot over the prospect of the retirement age being brought up to 62. That shit would never happen here. At least not yet. A few more years of European style socialism and this country is going to be like Greece and France and the rest of the failed sissyocracies.
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No matter what anyone says about America at large, we are probably the hardest working of the non-third world countries today. Less benefits, longer hours, more self sufficency, lower taxes and even in this economic downturn most Americans aren't standing around with their hands out bitching.
From what I've seen, I would agree with you!
In France, kids who have never worked a day in their lives are leaving their high school to throw rocks at police and riot over the prospect of the retirement age being brought up to 62. That shit would never happen here. At least not yet. A few more years of European style socialism and this country is going to be like Greece and France and the rest of the failed sissyocracies.
Never. What kid in the US worries about what will happen at age 62? It's already hard to get US kids in their 20s to start saving for their retirement. They think they're too young to worry about that now.
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Speaking of the French have you seen their new standard issue army knife?
(http://lindasog.com/cowards/French-Army-Knife.jpg)
;D
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(http://www.jessicaswell.com/SoldierOfSurrender.gif/SoldierOfSurrender.gif)
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"Youth riots" seems to be a favorite term of the French. They give the same classification to the yearly adult Muslim riots.
France, much like the rest of the failed socialist experiments in Europe, is a joke. Like Greece, Spain, Portugal and so on, these clowns can't come to grips with the fact that their way of life is not sustainable. Greece, with 75% of the workforce employed by the government and their short work weeks and long vacations, is the biggest joke of the lot.
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"Youth riots" seems to be a favorite term of the French.
I noticed that too. On the news broadcasters and news anchors will speak of "youth riots",
...but when you look at the accompanying footage, they seem pretty grown up to me. :-\
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October 2010
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Spending Review: Osborne cuts £7bn from welfareLatest news
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Chancellor George Osborne on the "hard road to a better future"
Chancellor George Osborne is to slash welfare benefits by a further £7bn as he sets out the biggest spending cuts since World War II.
The pension age will rise sooner than expected, some incapacity benefits will be time limited and other money clawed back through changes to tax credits and housing benefit.
A new bank levy will also be brought in - with full details due on Thursday.
Mr Osborne said the four year cuts were guided by fairness, reform and growth.
The 19% average cuts to departmental budgets were less severe than the 25% expected - thanks to bigger savings from the welfare budget, the chancellor told MPs.
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He claimed this meant his plans were less than the 20% cuts Labour had planned ahead of the general election.
Unveiling his Spending Review in the Commons, which includes £81bn in spending cuts, he told MPs: "Today is the day when Britain steps back from the brink, when we confront the bills from a decade of debt."
He added: "It is a hard road, but it leads to a better future."
Universal benefits for pensioners will be retained exactly as budgeted for by the previous government and the temporary increase in the cold weather payment will be made permanent.
But a planned rise in state pension age for men and women to 66 by the year 2020, will be brought forward, with a gradual increase in the State Pension Age from 65 to 66, starting in 2018.
Up to 500,000 public sector jobs could go by 2014-15 due to the changes, according to the Office for Budgetary Responsibility.
Bank levy
Mr Osborne has not set out in detail where the jobs will go but he admitted there will be some redundancies in the public sector, which he said were unavoidable when the country had run out of money.
He has set out extensive cuts to individual government departments - including:
Home Office - 6% cuts, with police spending down by 4% each year of the spending settlement
Foreign Office - 24% cut through reduction in the number of Whitehall-based diplomats and back office costs
HM Revenue and Customs - 15% through the better use of new technology and greater efficiency
The Department for International Development's budget will rise to £11.5bn over the next four years, reaching 0.7% of national income in 2013.
Each government department will next month publish a business plan setting out reform plans for the next four years.
Plans for a 1,500 place new prison have been dropped, he said.
The government will also deliver £6bn of Whitehall savings - double the £3bn promised earlier, said the chancellor.
There will be overall savings in funding to local councils of 7.1%, but ring-fencing of all local government revenue grants will end from April next year, except for simplified schools grants and a public health grant.
The Spending Review is the culmination of months of heated negotiations with ministers over their departmental budgets and comes a day after the Ministry of Defence and the BBC learned their financial fate.
'Irresponsible gamble'
The MoD is facing cuts of 8% - less than most other departments but enough to mean 42,000 service personnel and civil servants will lose their jobs over the next five years and high-profile equipment such as Harrier jump jets, the Ark Royal aircraft carrier and Nimrod spy planes will be scrapped.
The BBC has been told it must freeze the licence fee for six years and take over the cost of the World Service, currently funded by the Foreign Office, and the Welsh language TV channel S4C. This adds up to an estimated 16% cut in the BBC's budget in real terms.
The chancellor insists tough action on spending is needed to stave off a debt crisis - and that the private sector will create new jobs to fill the void.
Labour would also have had to make major cuts if it had won the general election, but the party insists Mr Osborne's plans are too aggressive and risk tipping the country into a "double dip" recession.
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Labour leader Ed Miliband accused the chancellor of taking an "irresponsible gamble with our economy and, indeed, many of the frontline services people rely on."
Health spending and international development will also be protected from cuts - and Mr Osborne has pledged funding for big infrastructure projects like London's Crossrail project and the Mersey Gateway road bridge between Runcorn and Widnes.
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Quick question what's frances poverty rate? ??? That is all.
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Quick question what's frances poverty rate? ??? That is all.
"The French poverty line is slightly higher than that of the United States, suggesting that some who would be considered living in poverty in France would not be if they had the same income in the United States. However, it is difficult to compare them as they are not calculated in the same way, notwithstanding differences in cost or standards of living. While the French poverty threshold is calculated as being half of the median income, the U.S. poverty threshold is based on dollar costs of the economy food plan, that is, on income inequality"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_France#Status_in_2005
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A slightly higher poverty rate with 100 times the entitlements.
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France has managed to lower the poverty rate significantly over the years, but only through government handouts. The government can see now that this is unsustainable and they are trying to do something about it now before it all falls apart, but their spoiled citizens are rioting because they want to keep the handouts coming.
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France has managed to lower the poverty rate significantly over the years, but only through government handouts. The government can see now that this is unsustainable and they are trying to do something about it now before it all falls apart, but their spoiled citizens are rioting because they want to keep the handouts coming.
We are heading for the same thing, but drastically worse. Not only drastically worse, but much deadlier and dangerous.
We have huge areas of this nation with a worthless population dependent on the govt for everything and unwilling to work. Guess what happens within 3 weeks if you cut off welfare, section 8, food stamps, wic, etc in LA, New Orleans, Bronx, Memphis, St. Louis, Chicago, etc?
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We are heading for the same thing, but drastically worse. Not only drastically worse, but much deadlier and dangerous.
We have huge areas of this nation with a worthless population dependent on the govt for everything and unwilling to work. Guess what happens within 3 weeks if you cut off welfare, section 8, food stamps, wic, etc in LA, New Orleans, Bronx, Memphis, St. Louis, Chicago, etc?
Are you trying to say that when government entitlements are removed, blacks will resort to cannibalism!?!? 333 that is very politically incorrect.
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Are you trying to say that when government entitlements are removed, blacks will resort to cannibalism!?!? 333 that is very politically incorrect.
No - they will resort to actions like we saw in 1992 in LA, New Orleans after Katrina, etc.
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We are heading for the same thing, but drastically worse. Not only drastically worse, but much deadlier and dangerous.
We have huge areas of this nation with a worthless population dependent on the govt for everything and unwilling to work. Guess what happens within 3 weeks if you cut off welfare, section 8, food stamps, wic, etc in LA, New Orleans, Bronx, Memphis, St. Louis, Chicago, etc?
Sounds like at that point 3 you will have to disconnect your internet, fix your hair, try to get a job and (GULP) LOG OUT OF GB FOR GOOD.
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PARIS (AP) -- Masked youths clashed with police and set fires in cities across France on Tuesday as protests against a proposed hike in the retirement age took an increasingly radical turn. Hundreds of flights were canceled, long lines formed at gas stations and train service in many regions was cut in half.
President Nicolas Sarkozy pledged to crack down on "troublemakers" and guarantee public order, raising the possibility of more confrontations with young rioters after a week of disruptive but largely nonviolent demonstrations.
Sarkozy also vowed to ensure that fuel was available to everyone. More than 1,000 gas stations are currently shuttered nationwide.
The protesters are trying to prevent the French parliament from approving a bill that would raise the retirement age from 60 to 62 to help prevent the pension system from going bankrupt. Many workers feel the change would be a first step in eroding France's social benefits -- which include long vacations, contracts that make it hard for employers to lay off workers and a state-subsidized health care system -- in favor of "American-style capitalism."
Sarkozy's conservative government points out that 62 is among the lowest retirement ages in the world, the French are living much longer and the pension system is losing money. The workers say the government could find pension savings elsewhere, such as by raising contributions from employers.
In Paris, huge crowds started marching from the Place d'Italie in the south toward the gilded-domed Invalides, where Napoleon is buried. The protest appeared peaceful, but law-enforcement officials were bracing for possible confrontations with youth. Police estimated the crowd at 60,000, down from 65,000 at a similar march last week.
At a high school in the Paris suburb of Nanterre, closed because of earlier violence, a few hundred youths started throwing stones from a bridge at nearly as many police, who responded with tear gas and barricaded the area. It was not immediately clear if there were injuries or arrests. Youths also knocked an Associated Press photographer off his motorbike and kicked and punched him as they rampaged down a street adjacent to the school. Another AP photographer was hit in the face by an empty glass bottle in Lyon, where protests turned violent and rioters smashed several store windows.
The violence recalled student protests in 2006 that forced the government to abandon a law making it easier for employers to hire and fire young people. Those protests started peacefully but degenerated into violence, with troublemakers smashing store windows and setting cars and garbage cans ablaze.
The specter of 2005 riots that spread through poor housing projects nationwide with large, disenfranchised immigrant populations was also present.
At the Place de la Republique in eastern Paris on Tuesday, young people pelted riot police with projectiles, while youth in the central city of Lyon torched garbage cans and cars as police riposted with clouds of tear gas.
It was the sixth national day of demonstrations over the planned pension reform since early September. Union leaders have vowed to keep up pressure until the government scraps the unpopular plan and opens negotiations.
Sarkozy called the reform his "duty" as head of state and said it must go through to save France's generous but money-losing pension system. The protests in France come as countries across Europe are cutting spending and raising taxes to bring down record deficits and debts from the worst recession in 70 years.
The Paris airport authority warned on its website and in signs at the airports: "Strike on Oct. 19. Serious difficulties expected in access to airports and air traffic." France's DGAC civil aviation authority said up to half of flights Tuesday out of Paris' Orly airport would be scrapped, and 30 percent of flights out of other French airports, including the country's largest, Charles de Gaulle, serving Paris, would be canceled.
Most cancellations were on short- and medium-haul domestic and inter-European flights. The walkout by air traffic controllers was expected to last one day, with flights expected to return to normal on Wednesday.
At the airport in the Atlantic city of Bordeaux, scores of protesters blocked the entrance for several hours Tuesday morning.
Strikes by oil refinery workers have sparked fuel shortages that forced at least 1,000 gas stations to be shuttered. Other stations saw large crowds. At an Esso station on the southeast edge of Paris on Tuesday morning, the line snaked along a city block and some drivers stood with canisters to stock gasoline in case of shortages.
Sarkozy said such shortages "cannot exist in a democracy."
"There are people who want to work, the immense majority, and they cannot be deprived of gasoline," he insisted.
Police in the northwestern town of Grand-Quevilly intervened early Tuesday morning to dislodge protesters blocking a fuel depot, which had been completely sealed off since Monday morning, local officials there said. No one was hurt in the operation, the officials said.
Truckers have joined the protest, running so-called "escargot" operations in which they drive at a snail's pace on highways. On Tuesday, about 20 truckers blocked an oil depot in Nanterre west of Paris operated by oil giant Total, turning away fellow truckers coming to fill up with gasoline. Police stood by but did not intervene.
Students entered the fray last week, blockading high schools around the country and staging protests that have occasionally degenerated into clashes with police.
Across the country, 379 high schools were blocked or disrupted Tuesday to varying degrees, the Education Ministry said. It was the highest figure so far in the student movement against the retirement reform. Student movements have forced previous governments to back off planned reforms in the past, and student leaders hope these protests will prove as successful.
The head of the UNEF student union, Jean-Baptiste Prevost, said the students "have no other solution but to continue."
"Every time the government is firm, there are more people in the street," he told i-tele news channel, predicting a large turnout for Tuesday's street marches.
With disruptions on the national railway entering their eighth consecutive day Tuesday, many commuters' patience was beginning to wear thin. Only about one in two trains were running on some of the Paris Metro lines, and commuters had to elbow their way onto packed trains.
In a statement posted on its website, the SNCF railway operator said only about half the regularly scheduled high-speed TGV trains linking Paris to regional French cities was operating Tuesday, while fast trains between regions was slashed by 75 percent. The Eurostar, which links Paris to London via the British Channel tunnel, is unaffected, the statement said.
In the Mediterranean port city of Marseille, strikes by garbage collectors have left heaps of trash piled along city sidewalks. But still, the piles of rotting garbage don't appear to have diminished labor union support in a city that has long had an activist reputation.
"Transport, the rubbish, the nurses, the teachers, the workers, the white collar, everyone who works, we should all be united. If there is no transport today, we're not all going to die from it," said 55-year-old resident Francoise Michelle.
Sarkozy has stressed that 62 is among the lowest retirement ages in Europe, the French are living much longer and the pension system is losing money.
The measure is expected to pass a vote in the Senate this week. Slated to take place on Wednesday, it's been pushed back until later in the week so lawmakers have the time to examine hundreds of amendments brought by opposition Socialists and others.
Student leaders have called for a demonstration in front of the Senate on Wednesday and another round of strikes at high schools and universities on Thursday.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/French-retirement-protests-apf-1844938421.html?x=0
The French are mad because they'll have to wait until age 62 to retire. ::)
At least they can retire....you americans will literally work until your deaths an will have nothing to show for it. God help you if you become seriously sick in your old age, because there is no system in place to take care of you AT ALL.
BTW...Don't be angry at he French...at least they do get up off of their asses and protest to bring about the change necessary to live well. You americans sit with your minds perpetually glued to your TVs and then bitch endlessly about the new taxes, new higher prices, new policy change, new transportation costs etc etc... Your INACTIVITY allows those who rule over you to easily do as they please.
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France has managed to lower the poverty rate significantly over the years, but only through government handouts. The government can see now that this is unsustainable and they are trying to do something about it now before it all falls apart, but their spoiled citizens are rioting because they want to keep the handouts coming.
Still don't be one sided they have made some progress in poverty more than anyother country besides lybia, so please don't act like this shit is simple.
Anyhow no one is advocating for frances current situtaion, just stop pretending like we all live in bubbles.
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Still don't be one sided they have made some progress in poverty more than anyother country besides lybia, so please don't act like this shit is simple.
Anyhow no one is advocating for frances current situtaion, just stop pretending like we all live in bubbles.
Take your own advice. Don't be one sided. At the rate France is going, the entire population will eventually be in poverty eating dog shit souffles.
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Take your own advice. Don't be one sided. At the rate France is going, the entire population will eventually be in poverty eating dog shit souffles.
Why do you even bother, if you "solve" poverty by government handouts instead of putting people to work you are doomed. Its simply a matter of time before the unproductive outnumber the productive.
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At least they can retire....you americans will literally work until your deaths an will have nothing to show for it. God help you if you become seriously sick in your old age, because there is no system in place to take care of you AT ALL.
BTW...Don't be angry at he French...at least they do get up off of their asses and protest to bring about the change necessary to live well. You americans sit with your minds perpetually glued to your TVs and then bitch endlessly about the new taxes, new higher prices, new policy change, new transportation costs etc etc... Your INACTIVITY allows those who rule over you to easily do as they please.
You Americans? Are you talking to me or are you talking to Americans?
Let me get this straight. Spoiled French citizens are rioting because their government is trying to implement measures to undo their own welfare mess and prevent a total collapse and you think these rioters are doing the right thing?
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Still don't be one sided they have made some progress in poverty more than anyother country besides lybia, so please don't act like this shit is simple.
Anyhow no one is advocating for frances current situtaion, just stop pretending like we all live in bubbles.
Some progress in poverty? Progress in reducing poverty by implementing an unsustainable system that could drive the entire country to poverty? That is not progress. Why do you think the French government is trying to undo this mess now?
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This is where we are heading guys. I have no doubt in my mind at some point this will occur here.
This is why I think koreans are the best immigrants we ever got to this country. In my mind - we should pay Koreans to immigrate here.
I have Korean neighbors and they really are the salt of the earth. If this shit happens in my hood and the animals start looting and burning koreans businesses - 3333 is going to be right with them with the heavy artillary.
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This is where we are heading guys. I have no doubt in my mind at some point this will occur here.
This is why I think koreans are the best immigrants we ever got to this country. In my mind - we should pay Koreans to immigrate here.
I have Korean neighbors and they really are the salt of the earth.
Good for those guys. f'n animals stealing from their hard earned business.
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Still don't be one sided they have made some progress in poverty more than anyother country besides lybia, so please don't act like this shit is simple.
Anyhow no one is advocating for frances current situtaion, just stop pretending like we all live in bubbles.
Are you seriously lecturing someone on France's economic progress when you can't even spell "Libya", among other words, correctly? ::)
The French, much like a number of other Europeans in their respective countries, are trying to carry on with an unsustainable way of life.
And what has Libya accomplished? That country is a fucking shithole run by a tyrannical dictator. The only reason that country comes off as decent is because it has a ton of oil and a small population. An unemployment rate of 21% speaks wonders about the economic success of that country.
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Are you seriously lecturing someone on France economic progress when you can't even spell "Libya", among other words, correctly? ::)
The French, much like a number of other Europeans in their respective countries, are trying to carry on with an unsustainable way of life.
I think he meant Labia.
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I think he meant Labia.
He should stick to defaulting on his loans.
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He should stick to defaulting on his loans.
Careful, or he will call his daddy...
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Good for those guys. f'n animals stealing from their hard earned business.
Everyone forgets things so quickly. Do you think things would be any different today?
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Why do you even bother, if you "solve" poverty by government handouts instead of putting people to work you are doomed. Its simply a matter of time before the unproductive outnumber the productive.
The insidious part of Socialism is that it works for a while until, as Thatcher said, "You run out of other people's money to spend," much in the same way running up credit card debt will raise your standard of living...until the bill comes. Of course, by the time the bill does arrive, the population has already adopted the entitlement mentality and no longer believes they have to pay for anything. Thus, what you see in France.
This is an excellent piece on how that mentality has effed up a once hard working, proud Sweden:
http://mises.org/daily/2190 (http://mises.org/daily/2190)
"Old people in Sweden say that to be Swedish means to supply for your own, to take care of your self, and never be a burden on anyone else's shoulders. Independence and hard work was the common perception of a decent life, and the common perception of morality. That was less than one hundred years ago.
My late grandmother used to say something had gone wrong with the world. She was proud to never have asked for help, to have always been able to rely on herself and her husband, proud that they could throughout their lives care for their family. I'm happy that when she passed away at the respectable age of 85, she did so with that dignity still intact. She was never a burden."
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Are you seriously lecturing someone on France's economic progress when you can't even spell "Libya", among other words, correctly? ::)
The French, much like a number of other Europeans in their respective countries, are trying to carry on with an unsustainable way of life.
And what has Libya accomplished? That country is a fucking shithole run by a tyrannical dictator. The only reason that country comes off as decent is because it has a ton of oil and a small population. An unemployment rate of 21% speaks wonders about the economic success of that country.
I'm dyslexic, blow me. Libya may be fucked up, one of my friends is from there. But it's alot better than any other country in africa by leaps and bounds. There poverty rate is much lower than any other country going as well. Plus thanks to GW Quadafie is starting to modernize the country a nice bit. Please don't talk unless your from their.
It's surely not the best country in the world, but we might learn something from it's poverty reduction methods. I'm pretty anti socialist, however poverty rates are a significant measure of a countries true wealth.
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I'm dyslexic, blow me.
Oh, oh, that old chestnut. Strange how everyone is suddenly dyslexic once they get called on their inane ramblings, and general bullshit. Internet is full of dyslexic people it seems.
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Oh, oh, that old chestnut. Strange how everyone is suddenly dyslexic once they get called on their inane ramblings, and general bullshit. Internet is full of dyslexic people it seems.
Ask anyone on this form, I can't spell for shit and got grammar issues, it's no surprise and don't pretend like I'm hiding behind it, It's a trivial issue.
I stand by what the fuck I said.
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What the fuck does misspelling every single word have to do with dyslexia? Theres a spell check button at the bottom of every post. Do you need us to explain to you how that works, or are you incapable of using it because your dyslexic ?
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What the fuck does misspelling every single word have to do with dyslexia? Theres a spell check button at the bottom of every post. Do you need us to explain to you how that works, or are you incapable of using it because your dyslexic ?
I have my computer stuck in german so it'll only correct it if it's in deutsch verstehe sie?
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Hahaha, love the excuses, Lundgren. You are an atrocious gimmick.
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Hahaha, love the excuses, Lundgren. You are an atrocious gimmick.
How is that an excuse. It's pretty valid if you can tell me how to change the language settings on my comp in german I'm more than happy to switch it back. However my german sucks so can't figure it out. FYI I started learning german as I thought it would help my spelling worked for a while until I got use to phonetic spelling.
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PARIS (AP) -- Masked youths clashed with police and set fires in cities across France on Tuesday as protests against a proposed hike in the retirement age took an increasingly radical turn. Hundreds of flights were canceled, long lines formed at gas stations and train service in many regions was cut in half.
President Nicolas Sarkozy pledged to crack down on "troublemakers" and guarantee public order, raising the possibility of more confrontations with young rioters after a week of disruptive but largely nonviolent demonstrations.
Sarkozy also vowed to ensure that fuel was available to everyone. More than 1,000 gas stations are currently shuttered nationwide.
The protesters are trying to prevent the French parliament from approving a bill that would raise the retirement age from 60 to 62 to help prevent the pension system from going bankrupt. Many workers feel the change would be a first step in eroding France's social benefits -- which include long vacations, contracts that make it hard for employers to lay off workers and a state-subsidized health care system -- in favor of "American-style capitalism."
Sarkozy's conservative government points out that 62 is among the lowest retirement ages in the world, the French are living much longer and the pension system is losing money. The workers say the government could find pension savings elsewhere, such as by raising contributions from employers.
In Paris, huge crowds started marching from the Place d'Italie in the south toward the gilded-domed Invalides, where Napoleon is buried. The protest appeared peaceful, but law-enforcement officials were bracing for possible confrontations with youth. Police estimated the crowd at 60,000, down from 65,000 at a similar march last week.
At a high school in the Paris suburb of Nanterre, closed because of earlier violence, a few hundred youths started throwing stones from a bridge at nearly as many police, who responded with tear gas and barricaded the area. It was not immediately clear if there were injuries or arrests. Youths also knocked an Associated Press photographer off his motorbike and kicked and punched him as they rampaged down a street adjacent to the school. Another AP photographer was hit in the face by an empty glass bottle in Lyon, where protests turned violent and rioters smashed several store windows.
The violence recalled student protests in 2006 that forced the government to abandon a law making it easier for employers to hire and fire young people. Those protests started peacefully but degenerated into violence, with troublemakers smashing store windows and setting cars and garbage cans ablaze.
The specter of 2005 riots that spread through poor housing projects nationwide with large, disenfranchised immigrant populations was also present.
At the Place de la Republique in eastern Paris on Tuesday, young people pelted riot police with projectiles, while youth in the central city of Lyon torched garbage cans and cars as police riposted with clouds of tear gas.
It was the sixth national day of demonstrations over the planned pension reform since early September. Union leaders have vowed to keep up pressure until the government scraps the unpopular plan and opens negotiations.
Sarkozy called the reform his "duty" as head of state and said it must go through to save France's generous but money-losing pension system. The protests in France come as countries across Europe are cutting spending and raising taxes to bring down record deficits and debts from the worst recession in 70 years.
The Paris airport authority warned on its website and in signs at the airports: "Strike on Oct. 19. Serious difficulties expected in access to airports and air traffic." France's DGAC civil aviation authority said up to half of flights Tuesday out of Paris' Orly airport would be scrapped, and 30 percent of flights out of other French airports, including the country's largest, Charles de Gaulle, serving Paris, would be canceled.
Most cancellations were on short- and medium-haul domestic and inter-European flights. The walkout by air traffic controllers was expected to last one day, with flights expected to return to normal on Wednesday.
At the airport in the Atlantic city of Bordeaux, scores of protesters blocked the entrance for several hours Tuesday morning.
Strikes by oil refinery workers have sparked fuel shortages that forced at least 1,000 gas stations to be shuttered. Other stations saw large crowds. At an Esso station on the southeast edge of Paris on Tuesday morning, the line snaked along a city block and some drivers stood with canisters to stock gasoline in case of shortages.
Sarkozy said such shortages "cannot exist in a democracy."
"There are people who want to work, the immense majority, and they cannot be deprived of gasoline," he insisted.
Police in the northwestern town of Grand-Quevilly intervened early Tuesday morning to dislodge protesters blocking a fuel depot, which had been completely sealed off since Monday morning, local officials there said. No one was hurt in the operation, the officials said.
Truckers have joined the protest, running so-called "escargot" operations in which they drive at a snail's pace on highways. On Tuesday, about 20 truckers blocked an oil depot in Nanterre west of Paris operated by oil giant Total, turning away fellow truckers coming to fill up with gasoline. Police stood by but did not intervene.
Students entered the fray last week, blockading high schools around the country and staging protests that have occasionally degenerated into clashes with police.
Across the country, 379 high schools were blocked or disrupted Tuesday to varying degrees, the Education Ministry said. It was the highest figure so far in the student movement against the retirement reform. Student movements have forced previous governments to back off planned reforms in the past, and student leaders hope these protests will prove as successful.
The head of the UNEF student union, Jean-Baptiste Prevost, said the students "have no other solution but to continue."
"Every time the government is firm, there are more people in the street," he told i-tele news channel, predicting a large turnout for Tuesday's street marches.
With disruptions on the national railway entering their eighth consecutive day Tuesday, many commuters' patience was beginning to wear thin. Only about one in two trains were running on some of the Paris Metro lines, and commuters had to elbow their way onto packed trains.
In a statement posted on its website, the SNCF railway operator said only about half the regularly scheduled high-speed TGV trains linking Paris to regional French cities was operating Tuesday, while fast trains between regions was slashed by 75 percent. The Eurostar, which links Paris to London via the British Channel tunnel, is unaffected, the statement said.
In the Mediterranean port city of Marseille, strikes by garbage collectors have left heaps of trash piled along city sidewalks. But still, the piles of rotting garbage don't appear to have diminished labor union support in a city that has long had an activist reputation.
"Transport, the rubbish, the nurses, the teachers, the workers, the white collar, everyone who works, we should all be united. If there is no transport today, we're not all going to die from it," said 55-year-old resident Francoise Michelle.
Sarkozy has stressed that 62 is among the lowest retirement ages in Europe, the French are living much longer and the pension system is losing money.
The measure is expected to pass a vote in the Senate this week. Slated to take place on Wednesday, it's been pushed back until later in the week so lawmakers have the time to examine hundreds of amendments brought by opposition Socialists and others.
Student leaders have called for a demonstration in front of the Senate on Wednesday and another round of strikes at high schools and universities on Thursday.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/French-retirement-protests-apf-1844938421.html?x=0
The French are mad because they'll have to wait until age 62 to retire. ::)
Why would a government have any say in what "retirement age" is?
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At least they can retire....you americans will literally work until your deaths an will have nothing to show for it. God help you if you become seriously sick in your old age, because there is no system in place to take care of you AT ALL.
BTW...Don't be angry at he French...at least they do get up off of their asses and protest to bring about the change necessary to live well. You americans sit with your minds perpetually glued to your TVs and then bitch endlessly about the new taxes, new higher prices, new policy change, new transportation costs etc etc... Your INACTIVITY allows those who rule over you to easily do as they please.
I hope so! The problem is our government is trying to set up systems to run our lives, we don't like that. It's my responsibility to take care of me.
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Why would a government have any say in what "retirement age" is?
Because the government pays the pensions of the many retired citizens, out of the pockets of the few working citizens.
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This is where we are heading guys. I have no doubt in my mind at some point this will occur here.
This is why I think koreans are the best immigrants we ever got to this country. In my mind - we should pay Koreans to immigrate here.
I have Korean neighbors and they really are the salt of the earth. If this shit happens in my hood and the animals start looting and burning koreans businesses - 3333 is going to be right with them with the heavy artillary.
You're a good man, I love them too! I get my hair cut by a Korean lady, she's the hardest worker I know.
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This is where we are heading guys. I have no doubt in my mind at some point this will occur here.
This is why I think koreans are the best immigrants we ever got to this country. In my mind - we should pay Koreans to immigrate here.
I have Korean neighbors and they really are the salt of the earth. If this shit happens in my hood and the animals start looting and burning koreans businesses - 3333 is going to be right with them with the heavy artillary.
Koreans are the type of people whose immigration we should be fast-tracking into this country. Instead, we've got far-leftists rallying behind illegals and other benefit-leeching scumbags.
I believe Koreans work, on average, more hours per year than any other country on the planet. Good people indeed. 8)
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No kidding - under the 3333 immigration plan - we ship out the worthless trash and pay Koreans to come here. Whatever it takes. those people work, produce, are respectful, don't bitch and moan, and almost always try to assimiliate and engage in the society and seek out cultural trips to historic places.
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Check out at 11:10 on - those koreans dont play - good for them. i wish they would have shot every single looter in sight.
Badass.
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Tuesday, October 19, 2010
will americans follow french example of mass civil unrest?
or will the sleeping middle classes continue to scratch their butts and watch 'dancing with the stars'?
will americans follow french example of mass civil unrest?
Paul Joseph Watson: How will Americans react when the government begins to impose the same austerity measures that are causing riots, street battles, fuel blockades and other assorted chaos in France? Will we witness mass civil unrest or will the sleeping middle classes continue to scratch their butts and watch Dancing with the Stars?
Back in June we forecast that the imminent onset of so-called austerity measures, which in reality represent nothing more than an elevated phase of government-run looting of the taxpayer, would herald an “age of rage,” leading to “riots and even revolutions as people react with fury in response to their jobs, savings, basic public services, pensions and welfare money being seized by the financial terrorists who caused the economic collapse in the first place.”
Four months later and citizens of one of the most prosperous countries in the world with the highest standard of living have shut down France after six days of strikes and protests in response to government plans to raise the retirement age from 60 to 62 and the full state pension age from 65 to 67.
Undoubtedly, there are two different protests occurring in France. The more violent scenes are the work of the rent-a-mob anarchist youths who couldn’t care less about pensions but will waste no opportunity to don black hoods and pointlessly smash up shop windows in demonstrations against “capitalism,” when in reality government seizure of pensions has all the hallmarks of command and control socialism and nothing to do with true free market capitalism.
These youths are more concerned about their welfare checks being cut, but they won’t garner the sympathy of the rest of the French people by taking baseball bats to Starbucks forecourts in mocked up media stunts. The legitimate protests and the ones that genuinely hurt the establishment and put the idiot anarchists to shame are being run by French workers, truck drivers, and union leaders, and enjoy the support of around 70% of the population.
posted by mediamonarchy.com at Tuesday, October 19, 2010
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Tuesday, October 19, 2010
will americans follow french example of mass civil unrest?
or will the sleeping middle classes continue to scratch their butts and watch 'dancing with the stars'?
will americans follow french example of mass civil unrest?
Paul Joseph Watson: How will Americans react when the government begins to impose the same austerity measures that are causing riots, street battles, fuel blockades and other assorted chaos in France? Will we witness mass civil unrest or will the sleeping middle classes continue to scratch their butts and watch Dancing with the Stars?
Back in June we forecast that the imminent onset of so-called austerity measures, which in reality represent nothing more than an elevated phase of government-run looting of the taxpayer, would herald an “age of rage,” leading to “riots and even revolutions as people react with fury in response to their jobs, savings, basic public services, pensions and welfare money being seized by the financial terrorists who caused the economic collapse in the first place.”
Four months later and citizens of one of the most prosperous countries in the world with the highest standard of living have shut down France after six days of strikes and protests in response to government plans to raise the retirement age from 60 to 62 and the full state pension age from 65 to 67.
Undoubtedly, there are two different protests occurring in France. The more violent scenes are the work of the rent-a-mob anarchist youths who couldn’t care less about pensions but will waste no opportunity to don black hoods and pointlessly smash up shop windows in demonstrations against “capitalism,” when in reality government seizure of pensions has all the hallmarks of command and control socialism and nothing to do with true free market capitalism.
These youths are more concerned about their welfare checks being cut, but they won’t garner the sympathy of the rest of the French people by taking baseball bats to Starbucks forecourts in mocked up media stunts. The legitimate protests and the ones that genuinely hurt the establishment and put the idiot anarchists to shame are being run by French workers, truck drivers, and union leaders, and enjoy the support of around 70% of the population.
posted by mediamonarchy.com at Tuesday, October 19, 2010
Like I keep saying - we are always 30 days to complete chaos. Cut off the food stamps, welfare, wic, section 8, social assistance, etc and the nation will be in flames within weeks.
Lok at Katrina and LA 1992 - CASE CLOSED
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You disagree GW? What do you think would occur if we cut off the govt handouts and welfare after a month or so?
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A target rich environment
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A target rich environment
Check out my second vid from about 11:00 on. Crazy shit.
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No matter what anyone says about America at large, we are probably the hardest working of the non-third world countries today. Less benefits, longer hours, more self sufficency, lower taxes and even in this economic downturn most Americans aren't standing around with their hands out bitching.
In France, kids who have never worked a day in their lives are leaving their high school to throw rocks at police and riot over the prospect of the retirement age being brought up to 62. That shit would never happen here. At least not yet. A few more years of European style socialism and this country is going to be like Greece and France and the rest of the failed sissyocracies.
Good point. I agree.