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Couldn't have said it better myself-- From today's NY Daily News
Tyler Clementi, Rutgers freshman who committed suicide after gay bullying, could have fought back
By Elie Mystal
Thursday, October 21st 2010, 4:00 AM
In the wake of the suicide of Tyler Clementi (above) - the Rutgers student who jumped off the George Washington Bridge after his gay hookup was broadcast on the Web by his roommate - there's been a lot of talk about the proper punishment for bullies.
We need tougher laws against mean behavior, many people say. Some have gone so far as to argue that we should throw kids into jail for bullying each other, especially if the tormentors are making fun of a kid's sexual orientation.
If we don't soon have stricter punishment of bullies and more institutional control over mean schoolchildren, the argument goes, we'll see more hurt teenagers taking their own lives.
This argument is well meaning but ultimately dangerous. Victimization logic hobbles young people - gay or otherwise - and helps no one. Instead of telling our kids that they need to keep their heads held high and stand up for themselves, we're telling them to run to the justice system whenever somebody insults them with an "ouchy" word.
If they had set the "Karate Kid" remake in America, Mr. Miyagi would have been a trial lawyer who taught Daniel-san how to sue Cobra Kai into bankruptcy.
We need to teach kids effective coping mechanisms to deal with embarrassment and humiliation - perhaps even to, dare I say, fight back - instead of fostering a culture of hurt feelings and massive overreactions.
If anything, gay youths need these self-reliant coping mechanisms more than their friends. Because sadly, far too often, gay kids can't run home to their (homophobic, idiot) parents or their (overworked, desensitized) schoolteachers.
And those calling for tougher official punishment are missing another point. These suicides aren't the result of a few mean kids who just now decided it'd be fun to torment gay peers. They're the symptom of a complex youth culture obsessed with its own navel and how many friends "like" their latest Facebook status update. Throwing a few mean kids in jail isn't going to change that culture one bit.
What's going to change it are more and more vulnerable kids who start standing up to the jerks.
Because, news flash, kids are mean. Brutally mean. Have you ever actually sat and listened to one who hasn't been sanitized by the good people at Disney? Yes, they will make fun of the gay kid. Also on their "hit list": the effeminate kid, the dumb jock, the easy girl, the prudish girl, the fat kid, the thin kid, the smart kid, the developmentally disabled kid, the poor kid, the rich ponce, the kid who is so dark other black kids make fun of him, the kid who is so pale he gets sunburned if he comes out to play.
They'll make fun of me, they'll make fun of you - and then they'll get to our mothers.
Are we going to throw them all in jail? Or only the ones whose victims commit suicide?
In my neighborhood in Queens, if somebody made fun of you, you gave as good as you got. Or you punched the kid in the mouth. That's right, there was a time when standing up for yourself solved many schoolyard problems. And if you tell me that standing up for yourself is the exclusive province of "macho" straight males, I'll invite you over to hang out with some of my gay friends and my wife and her buddies so you can learn something about the world you live in.
I'm not saying poor Tyler Clementi isn't to be mourned. To the contrary, and the kids who mistreated him are miscreants. But we don't throw every miscreant in jail. If we want fewer young people to follow in Tyler's footsteps, we ought to spend much less time passing laws and incarcerating mean schoolkids and much more time teaching their targets how to deal with it.
If you are being bullied, laugh it off, ignore it or fight back. Just don't kill yourself. Whatever you are going through, it's entirely survivable.
Mystal is an editor at Above the Law, a legal blog.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2010/10/21/2010-10-21_tyler_clementi_rutgers_freshman_who_committed_suicide_after_gay_bullying_could_h.html#ixzz1310olC32
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Great, just what we need more violence....You wouldn't say that if one these kids blew one these bullies heads off, which, in my mind would suit the bully right.
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I wanna see the stats of OPENLY GAY soldiers once the Dont ask dont tell policy goes out the window, i bet there is no more then .5% soldiers enlisted today,
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I wanna see the stats of OPENLY GAY soldiers once the Dont ask dont tell policy goes out the window, i bet there is no more then .5% soldiers enlisted today,
Correct...When I was in in my 10 years we knew who most of them were and didn't give a fuck...Only the rednecks and black thugs made a big deal.
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Correct...When I was in in my 10 years we knew who most of them were and didn't give a fuck...Only the rednecks and black thugs made a big deal.
What would you say are the percentage wiggs?
1 in 10 ? 1 in 50? 1 in 100?
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What would you say are the percentage wiggs?
1 in 10 ? 1 in 50? 1 in 100?
Hard to put a number on it because you have the obvious gay people, and then you have the undercover...I can't account for the undercover.
For obvious ones I'd say 1:50...I had two good buddies that I knew were gay but we never talked about it...1 guy, 1 girl.
I wasn't always as tolerant...I grew up in the 80s and 90s and it was common and still is to put someone down by questioning their sexuality...That's probably the worst insult for a hetero man. While I'm not perfect I try not to do it...Actually, I don't do it in real life, only on this board...It gets old and while I'm a christian, I don't believe the churches view on homosexuality...Actually the churches are pretty rough in their views on homosexuality...While I still believe it is a genetic mutation and it provides no advantage to society...I have no problems with them and what they do....The only problem I do have is that it has crept in the American society, media etc...I guess eventually I'll get used to it.
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It's weird how it's always the young people who are encouraged to "fight back". Just imagine if it were some middle aged man, pushed around and robbed by thugs every day. What the fuck is he going to do other than go to police and sue and try to get justice? Fuck. It's like it's wild West for the younger people, I guess it's easy to say if you are an old man and not in that situation.
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i thought the solution was for everbody to wear purple?
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i thought the solution was for everbody to wear purple?
And tomorrow everyone in america will wear Turbans for the musliums getting bullied in the media
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And tomorrow everyone in america will wear Turbans for the musliums getting bullied in the media
I use them for toilet paper, does that count?
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Great, just what we need more violence....You wouldn't say that if one these kids blew one these bullies heads off, which, in my mind would suit the bully right.
No, you're taking this to the extreme. Nobody is advocating killing your bully. WTF is wrong with you?
Up until junior high I was one of the bigger kids in my class. Couple of my friends used to make fun of this nerdy kid who was into magic the gathering playing cards. Calling him all the typical names ...fag, homo, queer, freak ...etc. Sometimes we used to shove and push him in the hallway when there were a lot of people around and make it seem like it was someone else that did it.
Anyways, one day I shoved him and he just fucking lost it. He threw his books on the floor and started yelling and screaming at me ...basically caused a huge scene and caught me off guard. Ever since that day I was embarassed, I never did or say anything to the guy.
Point being is, like my old man used to say to me. If anyone fucks with you, give it back to them twice as bad.
Bullies are just people who have never been put into their place. All it takes is just once instance of embarassment, slap on the mouth...etc to make it stop.
The whole b.s. of calling the cops or going to snitch to the teacher or your parents is just going to make you look like a bigger pusssy.
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What the fuck is wrong with some of you? A lot of beta males in this thread.
I got bullied, I bullied weaker kids, I didn't kill anybody and nobody killed me. 99.9% of the worlds population has managed to follow that cycle without a hitch since the beginning of time. You can talk back, fight, tell the teacher, tell your parents, ignore it, or any other number of things. Nobody said it's appropriate to kill another human being. How is it going to help children when they become adults and enter the real world when their entire lives they have been taught to run to the police or get a lawyer whenever someone hurts their feelings?
If your son or daughter was getting made fun of, would you call 911, or would you teach them to defend themselves?
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What the fuck is wrong with some of you? A lot of beta males in this thread.
I got bullied, I bullied weaker kids, I didn't kill anybody and nobody killed me. 99.9% of the worlds population has managed to follow that cycle without a hitch since the beginning of time. You can talk back, fight, tell the teacher, tell your parents, ignore it, or any other number of things. Nobody said it's appropriate to kill another human being. How is it going to help children when they become adults and enter the real world when their entire lives they have been taught to run to the police or get a lawyer whenever someone hurts their feelings? If your son or daughter was getting made fun of, would you call 911, or would you teach them to defend themselves?
But what would the democrat party/liberals do for new members? ;D
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It's weird how it's always the young people who are encouraged to "fight back". Just imagine if it were some middle aged man, pushed around and robbed by thugs every day. What the fuck is he going to do other than go to police and sue and try to get justice? Fuck. It's like it's wild West for the younger people, I guess it's easy to say if you are an old man and not in that situation.
You are a idiot to not see the difference. They are talking about bullying, not being robbed...being robbed is a felony, call the police, or in some states shoot the mofo.
Today's kids are too overly sensitive, and it results in adults who cannot cope with "problems" with others. They quickly go run and tell, instead of handling it themselves.
I've had bullies, and I had to handle it, it allows one to grow, and once you've dealt with one scenario, you can deal with similar..
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Yes but George and Pluck these kids today for whatever reason don't give a fuck...It's not like when I went to school in the 80's and 90s...These fucks elevate shit really quick...Don't believe me? Look at the school shootings the past 12 years and now these kids killing themselves...This is why we can't play by the rules we played by.
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Yes but George and Pluck these kids today for whatever reason don't give a fuck...It's not like when I went to school in the 80's and 90s...These fucks elevate shit really quick...Don't believe me? Look at the school shootings the past 12 years and now these kids killing themselves...This is why we can't play by the rules we played by.
There is some truth there. can you imagine if one of these twinks "stood up" to a group of thugs? In the past they might have just slapped him around a bit, but now to save face they would probably beat him to death, or if he did actually kick one of their asses, they would probably shoot him.
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When I was a kid and I was bullied, I got the "go tell a teacher" or whatever and that shit doesn't work!
I promised myself when I have kids, I would tell them that if they were ever bullied to fight back, if someone hits you then hit them back twice as hard, and let me deal with the teacher!
Great post!
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When I was a kid and I was bullied, I got the "go tell a teacher" or whatever and that shit doesn't work!
I promised myself when I have kids, I would tell them that if they were ever bullied to fight back, if someone hits you then hit them back twice as hard, and let me deal with the teacher!
Great post!
And to do it at a young age. Not sure how big the area you are planning on kids is, but the earlier they get past that stuff, the easier it makes the rest of school. If that makes sense...
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There is some truth there. can you imagine if one of these twinks "stood up" to a group of thugs? In the past they might have just slapped him around a bit, but now to save face they would probably beat him to death, or if he did actually kick one of their asses, they would probably shoot him.
Exactly...These kids are fucking nuts...very unpredictable...This is why you can't use violence as the answer...that worked a generation ago.
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There is some truth there. can you imagine if one of these twinks "stood up" to a group of thugs? In the past they might have just slapped him around a bit, but now to save face they would probably beat him to death, or if he did actually kick one of their asses, they would probably shoot him.
They should use magic to defend themselves! Dress all in black and cast some fucking spellz, bitches!
2d6 lightning blast to the FUCKING FACE!
(http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2008/4/07apr29-we-are-more-goth-than-suburban-goth.jpg)
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By the way I have been bullied and I have bullied...I was bullied from age 8-13 then when I hit puberty and became a beast ;D I bullied....I regret it severely.
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Exactly...These kids are fucking nuts...very unpredictable...This is why you can't use violence as the answer...that worked a generation ago.
And at a very young age, like I mentioned to ACH. To advise a hs kid to fight now is very risky.
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They should use magic to defend themselves! Dress all in black and cast some fucking spellz, bitches!
2d6 lightning blast to the FUCKING FACE!
(http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2008/4/07apr29-we-are-more-goth-than-suburban-goth.jpg)
Here is exhibit A of kids who NEED to be bullied to straighten their goofy asses out before its too late.
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Here is exhibit A of kids who NEED to be bullied to straighten their goofy asses out before its too late.
It IS too late.
Hope that helps.
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It IS too late.
Hope that helps.
Probably true...but throwing a good beatin' on them would still be a good thing. 8)
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Yes but George and Pluck these kids today for whatever reason don't give a fuck...It's not like when I went to school in the 80's and 90s...These fucks elevate shit really quick...Don't believe me? Look at the school shootings the past 12 years and now these kids killing themselves...This is why we can't play by the rules we played by.
The idiots who Kirk out with guns are usually the "outsiders", who are socially awkward, sometimes trenchcoat wearing during 90 degree school days, Matrix-fantasy having crybabies. Even the nerds, goth, and emo kids want nothing to do with them. Pretty much many want attention, and if you have ever noticed, especially when I was student teaching, that many times the "victim" does something to trigger the bully, like a "trigger type behavior", cueing the bully on that person. Either acting not cool, awkward, saying stupid shit, or just an action...
Typically the very socially inept take it to extreme levels, because they didn't learn suitable coping mechanisms from their parents...
Kids were bullied 2,000 yrs ago, and will be bullied 2,000 yrs after the present time.
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Back in the days you just got even, Damn its hard to believe Nerds had more willpower then this fag gots have nowadays
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The idiots who Kirk out with guns are usually the "outsiders", who are socially awkward, sometimes trenchcoat wearing during 90 degree school days, Matrix-fantasy having crybabies. Even the nerds, goth, and emo kids want nothing to do with them. Pretty much many want attention, and if you have ever noticed, especially when I was student teaching, that many times the "victim" does something to trigger the bully, like a "trigger type behavior", cueing the bully on that person. Either acting not cool, awkward, saying stupid shit, or just an action...
Typically the very socially inept take it to extreme levels, because they didn't learn suitable coping mechanisms from their parents...
Kids were bullied 2,000 yrs ago, and will be bullied 2,000 yrs after the present time.
Yes, but are you willing to take a chance on who will or will not be bullied? I'm not, when laws are made, I believe it's universally understood that it's not going to curb the infraction 100% the purpose is to decrease the behavior.
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You are a idiot to not see the difference. They are talking about bullying, not being robbed...being robbed is a felony, call the police, or in some states shoot the mofo.
Today's kids are too overly sensitive, and it results in adults who cannot cope with "problems" with others. They quickly go run and tell, instead of handling it themselves.
I've had bullies, and I had to handle it, it allows one to grow, and once you've dealt with one scenario, you can deal with similar..
So it's good for the kids to grow up in a world in which they know they are alone. No adult will help. Cope it with yourself. You'll grow stronger and better. All of this because it's a tradition in every generation. Someone touches an adult = governement biz. Someone touches a kid = it's kids fault, forget it. How fucked up can it get?
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Bullying is the wrong fucking word. IT's harassment. I was a big kid is school still was harassed to dealth. However I was man enough to fight back, so it was a the game of provoke the giant kid until he trips a switch. Safe to say it's still with me. When drunk often catch myself falling into the same trap I had in high school. Where social harassment turns into me going into straight up physco mode. It's the cost of being harassed by a virtually everyone you know. I'm the work kind of fucked up from this shit, I still can't shake it and I'm 23. So all your fucking be tough shit is fucking stupid.
Please don't tell me tripping out over insults is bad I'm aware, but it's basic conditioning, it's hard to remove it when it was renforced on a daily basis until I was twenty. Sure I handle things badly, but I just took yourguys advice. There are more social and mature ways to do it, but this info wasn't around when I was 12.
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So it's good for the kids to grow up in a world in which they know they are alone. No adult will help. Cope it with yourself. You'll grow stronger and better. All of this because it's a tradition in every generation. Someone touches an adult = governement biz. Someone touches a kid = it's kids fault, forget it. How fucked up can it get?
Did I say that? No, I didn't. Parents can offer help, they can talk to the school, talk to the parents, but ultimately, it backfires, because it shows the other kids that this kid needs parents help in dealing with their own. A kid's world and a adult's world are two different worlds. Parents and adults are seen as the enemy, once you get them involved you are see. As breaking a certain code, and then you are like a lamb for the
slaughter. I had a bully in High School, I asked my mother what to do about it, she told "tell him, that he is uncouth...", well that won't work for a Thug, he eventually stopped, because actually, he was testing me, and I saw him a few yrs ago, and he shook
my hand, slapped me on the back...
Thing is parents and adults are suppose to guide us in growing
up and handle things when they get out of hand, but children for the most part should handle their own problems...
But, there are juvenile courts that handle certain situations like fights, gang issues, rapes, thefts, stalking, etc. Those are the
situations that get out of hand. You should know this.
Yes, but are you willing to take a chance on who will or will not be bullied? I'm not, when laws are made, I believe it's universally understood that it's not going to curb the infraction 100% the purpose is to decrease the behavior.
there will not and should not be "anti-bullying" laws, that would be really treading on 1st amendment rights, and making a truly over sensitive public. We already as it is have a bitchification of the American Male going on, what do you think will happen next...
No, you don't know who is gonna Kirk out, but are you letting the freaks have more power than they should? I agree that some people need to watch what they say, and shouldn't pick on others, yet shit happens, a person who let's that shit go on and on, obviously needs to grow a set. You nip things in the bud and let 'em know, "who they are dealing with"
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Did I say that? No, I didn't. Parents can offer help, they can talk to the school, talk to the parents, but ultimately, it backfires, because it shows the other kids that this kid needs parents help in dealing with their own. A kid's world and a adult's world are two different worlds. Parents and adults are seen as the enemy, once you get them involved you are see. As breaking a certain code, and then you are like a lamb for the
do you have no fucking clue about what your talking about it's peer ostrification. It's not about being sensitive. It's about being avoided by every single person you know harrass and destroyed mentally on a daily basis. It happens to about 1in 100 kids. However if fucks them up. It's like saying you know what it feels like to get raped, because you were groped by a fat chick. This shit fucks you up, it's not like one asshole testing for the first month of grade six. It's about everyone doing it for 3 years. At that age your developing, ways of the world, it makes you feel like your a jew surrounded by nazi's. Than you hear people like you saying it's natural as were socially inept. Which in my mind is fucking nazi talk. So I go in war mode pretty quick. Anytime all the time I have to keep with me the feeling that I have to work with nazi's.
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Parker, right thing is the right thing, no matter what the bad guys think. Adults should be involved from the beginning, since they are always an authority to youngster, no matter what they (youngsters) say or do, they always are.
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Parker, right thing is the right thing, no matter what the bad guys think. Adults should be involved from the beginning, since they are always an authority to youngster, no matter what they (youngsters) say or do, they always are.
See what he fails to realize is if a school authority takes action and gives support the child is able to deal with it even if it gets worst. If someone did with me I'd have been much better off. Atleast I would of trusted adults. But my parents told me to take care of this shit on my own. So I learn at the age of 13 adults/ teens there all the same. They pick on the week, the socially inept, as it helps to maintain our gene pool. Therefore I'm a genetic inferior and must always always be ready to fight back, say when at a bar, party, church, school, work etc.
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Parker I'll just say you're way off base...You're putting machismo in this and it doesn't belong.
This is as close to a meltdown I've ever seen you get...You're wrong on so many levels..
1. Triggering a bully? LMAO..kind of like a wife triggering her husband to abuse her?
2. You and I are from a different generation...I'm 31 and I think you are 33, these kids today are different...and you trying to push the way we solved problems on this generation would leave to nothing but trouble.
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Parker I'll just say you're way off base...You're putting machismo in this and it doesn't belong.
But he's proving the point if you can't convince a teacher how this shit work its pretty bad. This shit fucked me up massively no joke. But parker again makes himself an expert of something he never experienced. He mentions how he was bullied one time.
That's like saying you understand PTS because you spend a day in Iraq. It's the years of reenforcement that does the damage.
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Parker, right thing is the right thing, no matter what the bad guys think. Adults should be involved from the beginning, since they are always an authority to youngster, no matter what they (youngsters) say or do, they always are.
As I said, parents and adults are there for guidance, to be referees, and step in when it gets out of control...when parents are always hovering over the kids, it creates a situation in which the kids are always looking for the parents and adults to solve all their problems. Then as they become young adults, they have a hard time coping...then you get the stalking situations....people who can't cope.
Maybe it's your Euro upbringing in which Authority Figures are there to step in at every phase, but my Southern ancestors have a saying that echoes for all conflicts in life "If you fall off the horse, you get back up, no matter if you are crying, you get back up on that horse", it's about seeing something thru.
Or, "one day, you are going to learn how to fight your own
battles, so give 'em hell!"
parents have to teach us how to stand up for ourselves, if they don't who will?
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As I said, parents and adults are there for guidance, to be referees, and step in when it gets out of control...when parents are always hovering over the kids, it creates a situation in which the kids are always looking for the parents and adults to solve all their problems. Then as they become young adults, they have a hard time coping...then you get the stalking situations....people who can't cope.
Maybe it's your Euro upbringing in which Authority Figures are there to step in at every phase, but my Southern ancestors have a saying that echoes for all conflicts in life "If you fall off the horse, you get back up, no matter if you are crying, you get back up on that horse", it's about seeing something thru.
Or, "one day, you are going to learn how to fight your own
battles, so give 'em hell!"
parents have to teach us how to stand up for ourselves, if they don't who will?
Great now your using your slave past as a reference to justifying bullying, last time I checked exslaves have the highest crime rate, murder rates etc but keep trying you ignorant fool .
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Parker you are 100% wrong on this...100% wrong.
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Parker you are 100% wrong on this...100% wrong.
Parkers an expert what works for him works for everyone. How could you not know this. Keep in mind everyone's parents are perfect as parkers.
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do you know how many times in HS and college we used to bust our friends fucking and embarrass them.............it was funny,
the media is acting like this is some terrible atrocity,,,,,,,,,,its not at all, ITS FUCKING FUNNY
this kid was weak, probably hated his life, and was a step away from suicide already
thinning of the heard...........
what, people want special treatment cause he is a f@g........i thoought f@gs wanted Equal treeatment
and thats equal across the board, not only in situations that benifit them.......
this was a harmless prank, that was funny, and very common............who was to know this kid was a weak mess
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As I said, parents and adults are there for guidance, to be referees, and step in when it gets out of control...when parents are always hovering over the kids, it creates a situation in which the kids are always looking for the parents and adults to solve all their problems. Then as they become young adults, they have a hard time coping...then you get the stalking situations....people who can't cope.
Maybe it's your Euro upbringing in which Authority Figures are there to step in at every phase, but my Southern ancestors have a saying that echoes for all conflicts in life "If you fall off the horse, you get back up, no matter if you are crying, you get back up on that horse", it's about seeing something thru.
Or, "one day, you are going to learn how to fight your own
battles, so give 'em hell!"
parents have to teach us how to stand up for ourselves, if they don't who will?
But the paradoxical situation is that we should be able to survive by ourselves as kids, when we are in our most vulnerable state, and then when we are grownups, at which state most people have built some kind of selfesteem and can protect themselves atleast in some way, it's basically not needed anymore. This argument would make sense if there weren't police and the hundreds of associations that are there to protect people from harassment and violence. Not many adults can solve their conflicts purely by themselves, so how could kids.
I agree that parents should teach their kids how to protect themselves, but it should not come from this mentally devastating way.
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do you know how many times in HS and college we used to bust our friends fucking and embarrass them.............it was funny,
the media is acting like this is some terrible atrocity,,,,,,,,,,its not at all, ITS FUCKING FUNNY
this kid was weak, probably hated his life, and was a step away from suicide already
thinning of the heard...........
These statements are what causes the damage of bullying. At 12-13 you are lead to beleave this is what all normal people think like. This is the planet you live in. Your weak, and 99 percent of people want you dead. The only reason that your safe is because there are laws. However they won't apply to you as your a minor, and as long as they don't do nothing serious no one fucking cares about you.
If you think this won't fuck you up your either ignorant, simply don't give a shit and shouldn't post on the subject, or physcotic.
Also were living in the modern world not the olden days where there were large families. And large support groups. The average kid today has no sibles and is home alone a majority of the time. When there suppose to develope independance they learn that they can't trust no one and it's better to stay in isolation. Therefore they become permanent loaners adding to the cycle.
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I haven't read everything but from what I understand, this kid is a freshman in college and his "pals" video him doing his thing, and then broadcast it.
That's not bullying. That's ruining another person's life. For good. What goes on the internet is written history. That's why he killed himself.
You dopes, especially guys like un hung, are never going to achieve shit, and therefore will never have anything to lose. This kid knew his whole future was shot, just like that.
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Parker I'll just say you're way off base...You're putting machismo in this and it doesn't belong.
This is as close to a meltdown I've ever seen you get...You're wrong on so many levels..
1. Triggering a bully? LMAO..kind of like a wife triggering her husband to abuse her?
2. You and I are from a different generation...I'm 31 and I think you are 33, these kids today are different...and you trying to push the way we solved problems on this generation would leave to nothing but trouble.
Yes, dealing with young peopl and using my experiences here. But, I have been in Baltimore City schools. I also had a bully in college as well. And none of you are 5'5 and in high school weighed 120 pounds. I had to man up when I was bullied, each time. Going to a teacher as a young black male or to the RD in college is the height of bitchification. When I handled it, I gained respect from those who bullied me...and they didn't do that shit no more. There are many ways to handle it, but creating laws isn't it.
When I say "triggering", I'm talking about certain behaviors. When I was student teaching, this one 6th grade girl who I was constantly telling the kids to stop teasing her, would initiate "contact", she would say stuff or do things, that sometimes were behind my back. Then the teasing would happen. And she would complain, when I found out her actions, I told her, you keep "triggering" them, stop it. Once she did, the teasing and bullying stop.
In A Balt City HS, there was this kid who was constantly bullied, he looked like Fat Albert and wore 2 button up shirts each day, he would always come out the mouth with some weird shit. It was this weird shit that people would tease about. And I'm talking some off the wall shit. After the Columbine incident, they found out this dude was gonna blow this school up, he had plans to the building and all. I had talk to dude prior to this, asked him what was going on, he then comes up with some off the wall tripping shit. Turns out, when digging deeper, his father would beat the shit out of him and his sister. The last time, his father beat his sister because he found out she was having sex. But, each time, this dude would exhibit a trigger for people to get at him, and when I was younger, I did too.
Lungredisgod, yeah we can tell it effed you up, you idolize some tall Euro dude, who in your mind no one would dare "bully". This is possbly a fantasy for you, to garner such attention.
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I haven't read everything but from what I understand, this kid is a freshman in college and his "pals" video him doing his thing, and then broadcast it.
That's not bullying. That's ruining another person's life. For good. What goes on the internet is written history. That's why he killed himself.
You dopes, especially guys like un hung, are never going to achieve shit, and therefore will never have anything to lose. This kid knew his whole future was shot, just like that.
You fail to realize the seeds were set for this shit when he was like 12. This guy learned as he was getting his first hard on's, that he was a weak faggit pussy, was untolerable, was a source of shame for his family, and was a weakness to get wiped out. The massive exposure on the internet for him was just a catalyst.
I've thought about killing myself pretty much every day for the last five years. I'm a fucking mess, but it all started from this shit.
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You fail to realize the seeds were set for this shit when he was like 12. This guy learned as he was getting his first hard on's, that he was a weak faggit pussy, was untolerable, was a source of shame for his family, and was a weakness to get wiped out. The massive exposure on the internet for him was just a catalyst.
I've thought about killing myself pretty much every day for the last five years. I'm a fucking mess, but it all started from this shit.
Maybe you're projecting, I don't know. But there are plenty of people like this kid who manage to survive in the real world. The difference is they don't have to worry about some video plaguing them for the rest of their lives and ruining any opportunities that they otherwise may have had.
I don't know what your particular problem is.
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Lungredisgod, yeah we can tell it effed you up, you idolize some tall Euro dude, who in your mind no one would dare "bully". This is possbly a fantasy for you, to garner such attention.
It's not about being bullied you don't fucking get it. It wasn't physical with me. My bullies were little shrimps that got a kick out of teasing a kid twice there size. I couldn't fight them, cuz the teachers would say I was picking on them.
And yes I did trigger it by attempting to socializing with other so I learned to trust no one stay isolated.
Of course I have a massive inferioty complex which mean's despite being tall good looking, a rich kid, and pretty fucking smart, have severe trust issues.
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Maybe you're projecting, I don't know. But there are plenty of people like this kid who manage to survive in the real world. The difference is they don't have to worry about some video plaguing them for the rest of their lives and ruining any opportunities that they otherwise may have had.
I don't know what your particular problem is.
It's not about the video. I had a gay friend who to this day knows that everyone in our high school says he got caught jerking off in class. He's gay and a little wierd so everyone believes it. I'm the only one who knew it wasn't true(was at back of class he sratched his leg once, but at the time couldn't risk it as it would end me socially.
However he's tried to kill himself more than once. Thought he was gonna goto hell as hill parents were religious. At a young age he didn't know how to deal with that shit.
The video was a catalyst as I said it's deeper physcological issues at hand which usually stem from bullying.
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the problem isnt the bullying, its the culture of victimization...where society is now so overly sensitive, that every bad thing that happens to a person over the course of their youth is justification for them the be fucked up
instead of just being resilient and forgetting about it (like EVERYONE ELSE DID THROUGHOUT HISTORY) children now learn from a young age to be victims, that they are goi to need psychiatrists, adn that they are going to be emotionally damaged
i experienced awful bullying for a large part of my youth....pretty much as bad as it gets............and you know what happened to me ................NOTHING
you know why???..................cause i was never told that i was supposed to turn into a suicidal and emotional trainwreck due to bullying....i just felt it was a right of passage (that some get worse then others) that i grew out of
i grew out of it and got cool..........
fucking slack jawed F@ggots........learn to deal or kill yourself
i hate this sickening bleeding heart culture of victimhood
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Great now your using your slave past as a reference to justifying bullying, last time I checked exslaves have the highest crime rate, murder rates etc but keep trying you ignorant fool .
I never said Slavery, I said Southern, that is a Southern saying...
And no my way is not "The Way", nor do I think my way is the only way. Quite projecting you low self esteem passive-aggresiveness out on everybody. And as I said before, my mom told me the wrong way to handle it...
So, I had to handle a Thug on my own. And found out, he was cool dude, who was testing me. He actually had my back. The next bully was a 6'3 300 pound football player during my freshman yr in college had to handle that. And then had a incident with my 6'0 Football player/wrestler room mate from Philly. Handled that.
Every incident I had, it helped me with my self esteem and helped me grow as a person.
Now, some people are more sensitive than others, and some people have parents that are just idiots. And maybe I was just "lucky" in those incidents, but 2 of those resulted in confrontations. But, in the environment that I was in,
in college, it was sink or swim...or I would have been known as a "bitch" for the next 3 yrs.
Lungredisgod, they were outsmarting, hiding behind the teacher. You say shit back, when the teacher wasn't looking or within earshot, you gotta let them know, you effing with the wrong one.
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Bullying is the wrong fucking word. IT's harassment. I was a big kid is school still was harassed to death. However I was man enough to fight back,
no, you were big enough to fight back.
I haven't read everything but from what I understand, this kid is a freshman in college and his "pals" video him doing his thing, and then broadcast it.
not exactly, his roommate of three weeks is the one that webcammed him
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the problem isnt the bullying, its the culture of victimization...where society is now so overly sensitive, that every bad thing that happens to a person over the course of their youth is justification for them the be fucked up
instead of just being resilient and forgetting about it (like EVERYONE ELSE DID THROUGHOUT HISTORY) children now learn from a young age to be victims, that they are goi to need psychiatrists, adn that they are going to be emotionally damaged
i experienced awful bullying for a large part of my youth....pretty much as bad as it gets............and you know what happened to me ................NOTHING
you know why???..................cause i was never told that i was supposed to turn into a suicidal and emotional trainwreck due to bullying....i just felt it was a right of passage (that some get worse then others) that i grew out of
i grew out of it and got cool..........
fucking slack jawed F@ggots........learn to deal or kill yourself
i hate this sickening bleeding heart culture of victimhood
Yes I see you are mentally stable person. Your every post proves it more and more.
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I never said Slavery, I said Southern, that is a Southern saying...
And no my way is not "The Way", nor do I think my way is the only way. Quite projecting you low self esteem passive-aggresiveness out on everybody. And as I said before, my mom told me the wrong way to handle it...
So, I had to handle a Thug on my own. And found out, he was cool dude, who was testing me. He actually had my back. The next bully was a 6'3 300 pound football player during my freshman yr in high school, had to handle that. And then had a incident with my 6'0 Football player/wrestler room mate from Philly. Handled that.
Every incident I had, it helped me with my self esteem and helped me grow as a person.
Now, some people are more sensitive than others, and some people have parents that are just idiots. And maybe I was just "lucky" in those incidents, but 2 of those resulted in confrontations. But, in the environment that I was in,
in college, it was sink or swim...or I would have been known as a "bitch" for the next 3 yrs.
Lungredisgod, they were outsmarting, hiding behind the teacher. You say shit back, when the teacher wasn't looking or within earshot, you gotta let them know, you effing with the wrong one.
Gee thanks for the advice. Would of been useful 10 years ago. But I had an accent so they'd just make fun of me back as they did anyway. You don't get it dude it just wouldn't work because as a kid I wasn't up to the challenge. Don't get me wrong Im no fucking victim, I got thick fucking skin, also am not likely to get imitimated by someone and can take abuse like nobodies bussiness.
However I have been conditioned to believe everyone is inheritently bad, even a 80 year old. I have trust issues, the only way peope will be my friend is if I'm superior to them. This shit is bullshit but it is with me regardless. I'm greatful for my ability to function on my own, thick skin, independance, however I wish I could operate on a trusting issue, as I tend to be hyper hostile.
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dont stick up and fight for yourself just back down ,cry and tell on whoever is scaring you awwwwwww freakin pitty party.pussys!!!!no violence and no physical fitness
no independant thought
no nothing
its like the 1800s traditional work is gone forever through technology...the man is obsolete!!! its a woman ran idealogy, no violence at all. real men as were are no longer necessary!!!!. just sit around n watch tv and play video games..sit on ur computer on the net 24-7...dont work , let the overnment just pay unemployment and ur rent, just sit around and have more useless population and prolificate this stupid way the world has become.
i mean even in the damm nfl they will eventually take all the hitting away and just turn it into fucking soccer for christ sake...and get that mma shit of tv.. thats comin soon to!!
be gay ., have feelings, no fighting, no passion, no drive. have a cell phone and computer dont leave home without them bulshit
have babys and take care of them thats it thats all
thats were this is all heading.
sorry for the meandering around thoughts, i just cant stand turning everyone into complete and utter pussys.
ive said it b4 and saying it again
we need a world ender were most technology is gone as well as the majority of the population.
start over back to basics where men count again for bein strong and independant .
where u cannot be put in jail just because some woman is pissed of a you cause you broke up with them, that shit wont fly anymore. where working with ur hands is king, no robots no supertechnological tools all that shit is gone.
this will happen and i cant wait, just sick of the way weve become total pussys ...amen great zombie in the sky...the original zombie jesus my friend
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no, you were big enough to fight back.
not exactly, his roommate of three weeks is the one that webcammed him
Whatever dude lets isolate you, and see how well you function. I've learned to function on my own, pretty god dam well. I haven't talked to anyone in the real world for 2 weeks, do you know how that feels, bet you'd feel pretty lonely, not me, I haven't even noticed. Lol it's called conditioning. I was proud of it for a while, however the human mind tends to get fucked up when you can't trust a girl to fuck her, and you see others as parasites, that are there to get in the way of progress.
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dont stick up and fight for yourself just back down ,cry and tell on whoever is scaring you awwwwwww freakin pitty party.pussys!!!!no violence and no physical fitness
no independant thought
no nothing
its like the 1800s traditional work is gone forever through technology...the man is obsolete!!! its a woman ran idealogy, no violence at all. real men as were are no longer necessary!!!!. just sit around n watch tv and play video games..sit on ur computer on the net 24-7...dont work , let the overnment just pay unemployment and ur rent, just sit around and have more useless population and prolificate this stupid way the world has become.
i mean even in the damm nfl they will eventually take all the hitting away and just turn it into fucking soccer for christ sake...and get that mma shit of tv.. thats comin soon to!!
be gay ., have feelings, no fighting, no passion, no drive. have a cell phone and computer dont leave home without them bulshit
have babys and take care of them thats it thats all
thats were this is all heading.
sorry for the meandering around thoughts, i just cant stand turning everyone into complete and utter pussys.
ive said it b4 and saying it again
we need a world ender were most technology is gone as well as the majority of the population.
start over back to basics where men count again for bein strong and independant .
where u cannot be put in jail just because some woman is pissed of a you cause you broke up with them, that shit wont fly anymore. where working with ur hands is king, no robots no supertechnological tools all that shit is gone.
this will happen and i cant wait, just sick of the way weve become total pussys ...amen great zombie in the sky...the original zombie jesus my friend
You are insecure of your own masculinity, so you try to impose more masculine traits onto others. Just be who you want to be, boy, you can be little special, you don't need to be like everyone else.
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Some of you are totally off the mark here. The problem isn't bullying, it's the unfettered access that kids have to technology these days that enables a cruel joke to transform into a life ruining moment. Even 10 years ago, who the fuck ever heard of posting a video of someone on facebook? What's killing these kids has more to do with the embarrassment of having their lives made a laughing stock to everyone on the internet and less to do with bullying. Before everyone had a cell phone, a webcam, a laptop computer, facebook, myspace, etc., embarrassing shit was relegated to a handfull of people at school. Now impressionable kids who are still growing up and don't have the necessary coping skills are being driven from depression to suicide. Theres no easy answers to this problem, but passing laws and hiring lawyers can only make matters worse for everybody and turn an entire generation of children into complete sissy's with inadequate social skills.
I was bullied by older kids when I was in school. When I fought back and showed I wasn't afraid, they left me alone. When I got older I did my share of picking on the weaker as well. When they showed some heart, I left them alone too. I always thought it was a male thing to be honest with you. Of course there are limits, and attention should be paid by adults when things are getting out of control, but at what point does trying to protect the "children" become protecting them from reality?
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but at what point does trying to protect the "children" become protecting them from reality?
there are many kids who grow up without any bullying. they're not less prepared for dealing with reality when they get older.
the other side of this problem is the unfettered access to guns. long ago, kids would settle scores with their fists. now its just as likely to be with a gun
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Some of you are totally off the mark here. The problem isn't bullying, it's the unfettered access that kids have to technology these days that enables a cruel joke to transform into a life ruining moment. Even 10 years ago, who the fuck ever heard of posting a video of someone on facebook? What's killing these kids has more to do with the embarrassment of having their lives made a laughing stock to everyone on the internet and less to do with bullying. Before everyone had a cell phone, a webcam, a laptop computer, facebook, myspace, etc., embarrassing shit was relegated to a handfull of people at school. Now impressionable kids who are still growing up and don't have the necessary coping skills are being driven from depression to suicide. Theres no easy answers to this problem, but passing laws and hiring lawyers can only make matters worse for everybody and turn an entire generation of children into complete sissy's with inadequate social skills.
I was bullied by older kids when I was in school. When I fought back and showed I wasn't afraid, they left me alone. When I got older I did my share of picking on the weaker as well. When they showed some heart, I left them alone too. I always thought it was a male thing to be honest with you. Of course there are limits, and attention should be paid by adults when things are getting out of control, but at what point does trying to protect the "children" become protecting them from reality?
I agree with you, but do you remember that 11 yr old girl who was posting vids of herself on youtube and talked about hoe pretty she was and the vulgar language she was using? And then when the "cyber bullies" brought her back down to earth, she and her parents melted down. Many of today's parents are severely lacking in "parenting skills", they wish to be their kids friends, and then when things blow up out of proportion, then they call for everyone's heads.
There are sensitive kids for every generation, look at Michael Jackson, he was overly sensitive, and yes his father beat them, in fact, Joe Jackson seems to have and does exhibit a bully's demeanor...control
But, I agree with many of the comments made here. Wiggs, Lundgredisgod, Klaus, Tim, Un....basically we all have made good points
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dont stick up and fight for yourself just back down ,cry and tell on whoever is scaring you awwwwwww freakin pitty party.pussys!!!!no violence and no physical fitness
no independant thought
no nothing
its like the 1800s traditional work is gone forever through technology...the man is obsolete!!! its a woman ran idealogy, no violence at all. real men as were are no longer necessary!!!!. just sit around n watch tv and play video games..sit on ur computer on the net 24-7...dont work , let the overnment just pay unemployment and ur rent, just sit around and have more useless population and prolificate this stupid way the world has become.
i mean even in the damm nfl they will eventually take all the hitting away and just turn it into fucking soccer for christ sake...and get that mma shit of tv.. thats comin soon to!!
be gay ., have feelings, no fighting, no passion, no drive. have a cell phone and computer dont leave home without them bulshit
have babys and take care of them thats it thats all
thats were this is all heading.
sorry for the meandering around thoughts, i just cant stand turning everyone into complete and utter pussys.
ive said it b4 and saying it again
we need a world ender were most technology is gone as well as the majority of the population.
start over back to basics where men count again for bein strong and independant .
where u cannot be put in jail just because some woman is pissed of a you cause you broke up with them, that shit wont fly anymore. where working with ur hands is king, no robots no supertechnological tools all that shit is gone.
this will happen and i cant wait, just sick of the way weve become total pussys ...amen great zombie in the sky...the original zombie jesus my friend
good post
we need need a good firestorm to purify the planet
up is down, gender is meaningless
the individuals "feelings" now take precedent over the good of the group
there is no right and wrong...........the only thing thats considered "wrong" is being a fossil, and acknowledging that there is a "right" and a "wrong"
its time the world burns, and we start form zero
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kids would cope better if they listened to Korn