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Evan Centopani Trains Shoulders 315 to the throat anyone go this far low to the throat? I go as far as to my chin
http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/in-the-trenches/3280-ifbb-pro-evan-centopani-trains-shoulders-.html (http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/in-the-trenches/3280-ifbb-pro-evan-centopani-trains-shoulders-.html)
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Chin, although throat shouldn't be a problem
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always to the throat...though I havent been making friends with the shoulder press recently and certainly wouldnt be lifting 315
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To chin here too!
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Loooks more like incline presses to me
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Bunch of homosexuals in this thread
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Loooks more like incline presses to me
Yes, I'd class that as a high incline. For what it's worth, I also always go to the clavicle/throat with these.
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i use dumbells and i go all the way down untill they touch my shoulders, and press all the way up, just short of lock out. doing shoulder press, whether dumbell or barbell, on a slight incline will allow more weight to be used and is safer for the shoulder joint/rotator cuff when going very heavy. it does not really activate too much chest, it mainly shifts some of the tension that would be on the side delt when upright, unto the front delt when on a slight incline.
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i use dumbells and i go all the way down untill they touch my shoulders, and press all the way up, just short of lock out. doing shoulder press, whether dumbell or barbell, on a slight incline will allow more weight to be used and is safer for the shoulder joint/rotator cuff when going very heavy. it does not really activate too much chest, it mainly shifts some of the tension that would be on the side delt when upright, unto the front delt when on a slight incline.
So you're saying you 'deep throat'?
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So you're saying you 'deep throat'?
absolutely stud ;)
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absolutely stud ;)
:o :-X :-\
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Chest.
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its a waste of effort to go last the nose or chin with these.
anyone who has ever had rotator cuff niggles would know that there is strength and stability from chin/nose up and down, and hell on earth from that point to the clavicle.
its also mechanically disadvantageous in that range and you cant lift anywhere near as much as chin upwards..meaning you waste energy and effort and then the weight is too light for the upper portion of the movement- where the delts are actually really involved.
but, as usual, the pros dont need to do anything correctly or safely, as long as they take enough drugs to grow then the cause and apparent effect is there.
if anyone doubts this, do some homework and look up where the insertions are and study the mechanics for yourself, also note the planes of forces involved etc etc..
this isnt opinion, its fact.
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I go to my clavicles.
More shoulder muscles are stimulated when you press from clavicle. The closer to lockout the less shoulders and more tricep.
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Yup, Chin!!
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I go to my clavicles.
More shoulder muscles are stimulated when you press from clavicle. The closer to lockout the less shoulders and more tricep.
This. I need to go much narrower for the deep rom, but with a fairly narrow grip there's no pain at all. Wider grip then yeah I'd go to chin or slightly higher.
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When the bar is at my clavicles my forearms are parallel. I also like to tuck my elbows in. Helps lift more weight.
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to be fair I don't think I have ever seen someone put their head back as far as scentofpanties, I don't even know if that is more on the end of chest training than shoulders.
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to be fair I don't think I have ever seen someone put their head back as far as scentofpanties, I don't even know if that is more on the end of chest training than shoulders.
odd way of doing them for sure. There are videos of him doing 315 in better form...
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sometimes i do them to nipples...just depends on what feels right that day..
bench
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sometimes i do them to nipples...just depends on what feels right that day..
bench
Good to see you back, bench. We were wondering if you were ok. Where ya been?
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Good to see you back, bench. We were wondering if you were ok. Where ya been?
business...
bench
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Well I wish you'd call. You know how
your mother Stella gets.
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3 x 120x 12......I don't believe in pressing with a straight bar except with bench press and squats (I know..not a press)
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Well I wish you'd call. You know how your mother Stella gets.
bro, i didn't even tell me fiance, mom, dad, or the most important person in my life(sister) where i went until i got there......i am going back soon...
bench
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120's? looks like 90's coach and that's being generous ;D
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3 x 120x 12......I don't believe in pressing with a straight bar except with bench press and squats (I know..not a press)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/dbpress2.jpg)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/dbpress.jpg)
sometimes it only feels right with a bar to me....sometimes i can only do DB's.....as long as the pushing movement is there im good..
bench
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3 x 120x 12......I don't believe in pressing with a straight bar except with bench press and squats (I know..not a press)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/dbpress2.jpg)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/dbpress.jpg)
Coach, why do you prefer a barbell for benching? I never feel it in my chest but I'm having a shoulder problem and wonder if I should quit the db benching.
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3 x 120x 12......I don't believe in pressing with a straight bar except with bench press and squats (I know..not a press)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/dbpress2.jpg)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/dbpress.jpg)
Nice incline bench press. ::)
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120's? looks like 90's coach and that's being generous ;D
Maybe he meamt 60 in each hand? :D
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3 x 120x 12......I don't believe in pressing with a straight bar except with bench press and squats (I know..not a press)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/dbpress2.jpg)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/dbpress.jpg)
They look like incline presses , is that cos your feet cant touch the ground when you sitting on the bench and you slip forward ? lol only joking coach ;D
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Got some funny M-Fer's in this thread:((
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I pause at the bottom for a second most of the time
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I pause at the bottom for a second most of the time
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I go to my clavicles.
More shoulder muscles are stimulated when you press from clavicle. The closer to lockout the less shoulders and more tricep.
Same.
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Coach can you link the video of that pressing. I believe they are 120s but they look tiny.
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Those are just pics that my wife took not a video.
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Would you bring the DB to your shoulder and touch it?
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Would you bring the DB to your shoulder and touch it?
The first pic was taken on the way up, but I don't (and won't) go down much further than that, just a little.
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If you did it would hit the shoulders more. Still impressive though.
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this is similar to bringing the bench all way down to touch cehst,,, even if ur upper arms breaks parallel with floor...
some ppl are thick with shorter arms n they end up bar to chest then theres vice cersa...
same thing here,,, bring that bar all the way down or just stay upper arm parallel w floor to "engage " just the delts... all depends on if someone has shoulder probs...
sometimes if u can its good to mix it up and do both,, wether u alternate wrkouts or altrnate reps witinh same set... all preference,, that effects development.
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this is similar to bringing the bench all way down to touch cehst,,, even if ur upper arms breaks parallel with floor...
some ppl are thick with shorter arms n they end up bar to chest then theres vice cersa...
same thing here,,, bring that bar all the way down or just stay upper arm parallel w floor to "engage " just the delts... all depends on if someone has shoulder probs...
sometimes if u can its good to mix it up and do both,, wether u alternate wrkouts or altrnate reps witinh same set... all preference,, that effects development.
agreed... each to their own. Lots of big shoulders built with somewhat partial rom... IMO for judging strength it should be full rom though.
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this is similar to bringing the bench all way down to touch cehst,,, even if ur upper arms breaks parallel with floor...
some ppl are thick with shorter arms n they end up bar to chest then theres vice cersa...
same thing here,,, bring that bar all the way down or just stay upper arm parallel w floor to "engage " just the delts... all depends on if someone has shoulder probs...
sometimes if u can its good to mix it up and do both,, wether u alternate wrkouts or altrnate reps witinh same set... all preference,, that effects development.
This is the argument (not a literal argument of course) I have with that. BB bench press and overhead pressing are two different motions mechanically speaking. This is my thinking with this scenario. Overhead pressing be it with a DB or BB could cause an a subluxation (instability) on a coronal plane (arms down at the side) if you come down to your upper chest on an overhead press, your elbows are forced to drop below that plane to an unnatural position causing the injury. Bench press on the other hand is a simple saggital movement and the joint go down as low as your chest in that position.
Injury causes....
1. Overuse
2. Overuse with heavy loads
3. Doing the movement incorrectly with a heavy load
4....and the most important one, not doing any stabilizer (rotator cuff and general lack of overall girdle work) work making the joint vulnerable to handling heavier load in a pressing movement.
Long story short, thats why I don't go much below parallel on a pressing movement and rarely if at all us a machine or straight bar and I avoid ANY pressing or pulldown behind the neck. (to avoid excessive external rotation with a load.) Thats just a few reasons why I tend to do things a bit differently and the difference between benching and pressing. Make sense?
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Nice incline bench press. ::)
Hahahahahaha......ok "unracked" ::)
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This is the argument (not a literal argument of course) I have with that. BB bench press and overhead pressing are two different motions mechanically speaking. This is my thinking with this scenario. Overhead pressing be it with a DB or BB could cause an a subluxation (instability) on a coronal plane (arms down at the side) if you come down to your upper chest on an overhead press, your elbows are forced to drop below that plane to an unnatural position causing the injury. Bench press on the other hand is a simple saggital movement and the joint go down as low as your chest in that position.
Injury causes....
1. Overuse
2. Overuse with heavy loads
3. Doing the movement incorrectly with a heavy load
4....and the most important one, not doing any stabilizer (rotator cuff and general lack of overall girdle work) work making the joint vulnerable to handling heavier load in a pressing movement.
Long story short, thats why I don't go much below parallel on a pressing movement and rarely if at all us a machine or straight bar and I avoid ANY pressing or pulldown behind the neck. (to avoid excessive external rotation with a load.) Thats just a few reasons why I tend to do things a bit differently and the difference between benching and pressing. Make sense?
makes sense...
yrs and lbs/size ago i used to bench to chest,,, then after wrking in a gym,,, went to the dont break parallel..
with the increase of chest size ovr years being parallel,, the dist from chest to bar became shorter n shorter till finally the strectch wasnt as much so recently started bringing bar to chest and the distance closed so much & with the recent gains of bar touching chest now, im finally at parallel with my arms almost right with the floor.
of course this only works if u bench correctly, ie scap retracted,, blades pulled back n chest out etc...
i dont go all the way down on militairies,, once and a while throw in a full range but for the most part same as coach. i like elbows pulled in a lil too.
besides,,, if u do power clean n press with ur training,, u get that lower part anyways.
coach,,,
do u always use a steep incline (but not 90%,, think its like 7 or 8 on some benches) when shoulder pressing? its hard to clear the face anyways... i do them sittin on bench sometimes with no backsupport up, just sitting (old time style),gota keep that back tight whole way thru... any thoughts?
one more thing,,, when u military, since its a press move, do you recommend getting in the same ready position as a bench,, ie scap pulled back n tight while chest up? think i know the answer but always good to reinforce and for others that may not know.?
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3 x 120x 12......I don't believe in pressing with a straight bar except with bench press and squats (I know..not a press)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/dbpress2.jpg)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/dbpress.jpg)
We know who Juan and Valdez go to when they need someone to push the heavy lawn mower.