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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: George Whorewell on October 23, 2010, 09:06:45 PM
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I don't give a shit how many fights this fairy wins, he is the the most boring, unentertaining and one-dimensional fighter I have ever seen. Kampmann should have won the fight on default. I can't believe Goldberg said Shields is now one fight from a title shot. He doesn't deserve a title shot against GSP's three year old niece.
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I don't give a shit how many fights this fairy wins, he is the the most boring, unentertaining and one-dimensional fighter I have ever seen. Kampmann should have won the fight on default. I can't believe Goldberg said Shields is now one fight from a title shot. He doesn't deserve a title shot against GSP's three year old niece.
GSP will kill him.
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GSP will kill him.
Kampmann killed him and looked how that turned out... 30-27 ?!!?!? WTF what fight were these paid off judges watching !?
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most boring guy in the UFC.....i have never watched a whole shields fight....total snooze fest...
he isnt a MMA fighter.....he is a BJJ guy...if you cant mix it up...go somewhere else....this is sports entertainment..
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Put yourself in the shoes of a UFC fighter. Sure you'd like to be entertaining and amuse the people in the seats screaming for blood, but your first goal is to win. Shields is undefeated in 15 fights now and has one decision loss in the last eight years. And he's beaten some good guys like Robbie Lawler, Sakurai, Jason Miller, Okami, Carlos Condit, Charuto and of course, Dan Henderson. Who in the 170 lb class can match his record? Who else is left for GSP? How many times does GSP have to fight Fitch? (who I believe is the only one close to his level and has a ghost of a chance).
He clearly defeated Kampmann. Took him down repeatedly and established the better positions whereas Kampmann didn't do much. He played into Jake's game. Jake was in trouble in the beginning of the third round and Kampmann didn't capitalized on that. Shields dug deep and pushed on. Some fairy. I will admit that if it went five rounds then I think Shields might not have been so fortunate. Cutting weight seemed to take its toll and he seems much more comfortable at 185 lbs.
Sure Jake is primary a Brasilian Jiu-Jitsu guy. Americans like to see a slug fest. But it was Brasilian Jiu-Jitsu that started all this so it's not for him to go elsewhere. I don't find him boring at all. His combat no-gi Jiu-Jitsu is beautiful. So smooth, slick and technical. I was watching the fight with a friend who also goes back to the days of the original Gracie Academy in Torrance, CA. He also would shake his head in awe. Like Rogan (who be a serious student and trainer of BJJ and a legit bad ass and can appreciate Shield's level of skill) said, Shields is just a notch below some of the great BJJ legends in the sport today like Marcello Garcia and Jacare. I wish more people could appreciate the more technical aspects of the ground game like they do in Japan.
Funny how when things don't go the way you want them to then it's a fix. Dana doesn't pick the judges or the referees and the commission doesn't give a crap what he thinks.
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BTW, in all fairness, Shields should fight Fitch and the winner go on to GSP. But just like a fighter's primary concern is to win first and to entertain and amuse you second, the primary concern for the UFC is to make money. Fitch beats Shields, which he very well might, then it's just another rematch for GSP. Shields can be marketed as the underground outsider who has dominated in his division in all the various venues except the UFC. Much like Fedor. That way you can squeeze out some extra shekels from the hungry public who never seems to tire at watching MMA.
BTW, I was just told last week by a rabid UFC fan about how boring GSP is. Same old stuff. Take down, ground and pound. LOL! You might even be more specific and say single leg take down which no one can seem to stop.
Remember this: without the ground game the UFC would just be bad kick boxing. We have K-1 for world class stand up. Maybe that would suit some of the preferences here better. That, and old Bruce Lee movies.
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If anybody thinks that Fitch would walk through Jake Shields think again. Fitch's strength, like Jake's, is his ground game. And in a submission match Jake dominated Fitch. Controlled the whole fight until he submitted him. And the only reason he didn't submit Fitch sooner is that I believe Fitch to be one of the toughest SOBs in the sport today. He's durable, relentless, discipline and can take an inhuman amount of punishment. But even a super human needs blood flow to the brain.
Just beautiful Jiu-Jitsu. There's so much going on here than just two guys rolling around hugging each other. I wish you could see it.
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Dude, stop riding Shields' balls, he got dominated by Kampmann, I think it's clear that everybody was dissapointed in his performance considering how much everybody hyped him up prior to this fight... Kampmann kicked his ass and was the clear winner. But of course the powers that be can't let their new cash cow lose.. ::) ::)
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Shields did not deserve that win. After round 1, he didn't even try to submit Kampmann. And if Shields is this other worldly grappler, how the fuck could he not finish Kampann, who actually tried to submit Shields numerous times?
Plus, Kampann definetly outstruck Shields, stuffed two thirds of his take downs, and after the fight didn't have a scratch on him. Shields ate two or three knees to the face, was so gassed he could barely stand up at the end of the fight, and had bruising all over him.
Kampann screwed up by trying to grapple with Shields because judges are too stupid most of the time to differentiate whats going on. But other than that, it's a disgrace Shields won that fight-- As captain said; 30-27!?
The fact that it was a split decision says it all. The fix was in. Shields is a great grappler and a shit fighter. He should do grappling tournaments and let the men fight in the octagon.
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I like Shields. He may not have the most dynamic fighting style, but it is effective and he wins. Now that he is in the UFC, and can use elbows, I think we will see better fights. Also, keep in mind, he lost 20lbs in day to make weight for this fight.
After GSP brutalizes him, he will have some good fights against the rest of the top 170lbrs....
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Dude, stop riding Shields' balls, he got dominated by Kampmann, I think it's clear that everybody was dissapointed in his performance considering how much everybody hyped him up prior to this fight... Kampmann kicked his ass and was the clear winner. But of course the powers that be can't let their new cash cow lose.. ::) ::)
LOL! Always the "riding balls" comment. I can easily accuse you of riding Kampmann's balls.
Dominated by Kampmann? While being mounted continously? You need to educate yourself in MMA. Yes, many were disappointed in Jake's performance but very few, including Dana White who has proven himself honest regarding fights, hardly thought Shields got his ass kicked. And you can include the judges as well.
Of course, when things don't go your way it's because it was fixed. You don't think White and the UFC higher ups wanted Brock to win? Now that's a cash cow. Why didn't they pay off Velasquez?
Grow up. "Kampmann was the CLEAR winner." Read the score card again, cry baby. And maybe spend some time on the mat and learn something.
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Shields did not deserve that win. After round 1, he didn't even try to submit Kampmann. And if Shields is this other worldly grappler, how the fuck could he not finish Kampann, who actually tried to submit Shields numerous times?
Plus, Kampann definetly outstruck Shields, stuffed two thirds of his take downs, and after the fight didn't have a scratch on him. Shields ate two or three knees to the face, was so gassed he could barely stand up at the end of the fight, and had bruising all over him.
Kampann screwed up by trying to grapple with Shields because judges are too stupid most of the time to differentiate whats going on. But other than that, it's a disgrace Shields won that fight-- As captain said; 30-27!?
The fact that it was a split decision says it all. The fix was in. Shields is a great grappler and a shit fighter. He should do grappling tournaments and let the men fight in the octagon.
Another one who needs some basic Jiu-Jitsu lessons. Shit fighter? Tell that to Dan Henderson.
Couple of cry babies here.
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Dude, stop riding Shields' balls, he got dominated by Kampmann, I think it's clear that everybody was dissapointed in his performance considering how much everybody hyped him up prior to this fight... Kampmann kicked his ass and was the clear winner. But of course the powers that be can't let their new cash cow lose.. ::) ::)
If you really think that the UFC is paying fighters off to lose fights, then you are a total and complete moron. If they were going to do that at all, they would have done it with Cain/Brock. And, if they did it with Kapman, don't you think they would have arranged for a great submission or KO finish instead of a 3 round lay & pray decision fight?
Fuck you're stupid ::)
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If you really think that the UFC is paying fighters off to lose fights, then you are a total and complete moron. If they were going to do that at all, they would have done it with Cain/Brock. And, if they did it with Kapman, don't you think they would have arranged for a great submission or KO finish instead of a 3 round lay & pray decision fight?
Fuck you're stupid ::)
yeah, the fighters dont get shit.....the UFC just pays off the refs...everyone knows this..
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If you really think that the UFC is paying fighters off to lose fights, then you are a total and complete moron. If they were going to do that at all, they would have done it with Cain/Brock. And, if they did it with Kapman, don't you think they would have arranged for a great submission or KO finish instead of a 3 round lay & pray decision fight?
Fuck you're stupid ::)
You fucking retard, they pay off the judges or refs not the fighters.
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Another one who needs some basic Jiu-Jitsu lessons. Shit fighter? Tell that to Dan Henderson.
Couple of cry babies here.
Im a purple belt in Jiu Jitsu dickweed. I know plenty about the martial art itself. It's fun to practice and it's valuable for an MMA fighter to have in his arsenal, but it's a boring and unentertaining thing to watch a one dimensional grappler dry hump his opponent for 3 rounds, inflict no damage, attempt no submissions and somehow get a victory. Dan Henderson ( 39 years old, with a bad back) beat Shields brains in and almost finished him in the first round. Shields then took control of the fight for 4 rounds and couldn't finish Hendo despite having top position ( and for long periods of time a full mount) on an obviously not 100% Henderson. That is a testament to Shields piss poor skills as a fighter. Good fighters finish fights, or at least attempt to finish fights. Shields laid on top of hendo for 4 rounds and basically tickled him. If you were fighting someone with a broken leg and outpointed him in a 5 round snooze fest, should you recieve some sort of medal? Fuck no. You finish the fight. MMA is not jiu jitsu, it's Mixed Martial Arts.
Hope this helps.
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personally i think he won the fight. if you watch his actions i think he did to. but i had to give it to him he would not tap out and he has alot of heart
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Im a purple belt in Jiu Jitsu dickweed. I know plenty about the martial art itself. It's fun to practice and it's valuable for an MMA fighter to have in his arsenal, but it's a boring and unentertaining thing to watch a one dimensional grappler dry hump his opponent for 3 rounds, inflict no damage, attempt no submissions and somehow get a victory. Dan Henderson ( 39 years old, with a bad back) beat Shields brains in and almost finished him in the first round. Shields then took control of the fight for 4 rounds and couldn't finish Hendo despite having top position ( and for long periods of time a full mount) on an obviously not 100% Henderson. That is a testament to Shields piss poor skills as a fighter. Good fighters finish fights, or at least attempt to finish fights. Shields laid on top of hendo for 4 rounds and basically tickled him. If you were fighting someone with a broken leg and outpointed him in a 5 round snooze fest, should you recieve some sort of medal? Fuck no. You finish the fight. MMA is not jiu jitsu, it's Mixed Martial Arts.
Hope this helps.
Wow! A purple belt. You probably could have finished Henderson who just knocked out Bisping into oblivion. And for sure Kampmann. You sound like a real bad ass and I can only imagine what your record would have been like compared to Shields. You should step up and show us all how it's done. After all, Shields only finished guys like Lawler, Condit, Pyle, Charuto and Daley (who TKOed Kampmann 3 fights ago). But you're a purple belt. You know how to finish fights. You should also ref too. Even do some color commentary and school Rogan who also thought Shields dominated the fight.
Thanks. That does help. Purple belt. Awesome. How many tournaments do you have under your belt and who do you train under?
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Haha textbook example of a complete pussy who never trained a day in his life going on the internet and telling people they need to "learn" more about something-- In this case, we all need need jiu jitsu lessons because we don't appreciate human sleep medication Jake Shields.--- Brutal deflection from the discussion at hand. I never bragged about being a purple belt. You tried to make me training an issue- Where or when did I say I could beat any professional MMA fighter in anything?
You just made a fool out of yourself and instead of adressing my points, your trying to attack me personally. Great job in demonstrating that your argument is total horseshit.
I know that you probably taught the Gracie family everything they know, you won several grappling tournaments, you beat up Mike Tyson in a street fight by pulling guard and pulling off an inverted triangle choke- blah blah blah. I'm so very impressed.
Bottom line is that Shields is a boring fairy, your an internet turd who thinks he knows everything but in reality doesn't know shit and your mancrush on Shields is probably the result of you stalking him in public.
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Haha textbook example of a complete pussy who never trained a day in his life going on the internet and telling people they need to "learn" more about something-- In this case, we all need need jiu jitsu lessons because we don't appreciate human sleep medication Jake Shields.--- Brutal deflection from the discussion at hand. I never bragged about being a purple belt. You tried to make me training an issue- Where or when did I say I could beat any professional MMA fighter in anything?
You just made a fool out of yourself and instead of adressing my points, your trying to attack me personally. Great job in demonstrating that your argument is total horseshit.
I know that you probably taught the Gracie family everything they know, you won several grappling tournaments, you beat up Mike Tyson in a street fight by pulling guard and pulling off an inverted triangle choke- blah blah blah. I'm so very impressed.
Bottom line is that Shields is a boring fairy, your an internet turd who thinks he knows everything but in reality doesn't know shit and your mancrush on Shields is probably the result of you stalking him in public.
Hahaha, don't forget, pellius looks like a california raisin...he's pushing 50 and looking like an emaciated ethiopian!
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_tD8RFE7odQ8/Rv8Y0N4tzCI/AAAAAAAAAyE/qPlBcDgRGeI/s320/california_raisin.jpg)
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Haha textbook example of a complete pussy who never trained a day in his life going on the internet and telling people they need to "learn" more about something-- In this case, we all need need jiu jitsu lessons because we don't appreciate human sleep medication Jake Shields.--- Brutal deflection from the discussion at hand. I never bragged about being a purple belt. You tried to make me training an issue- Where or when did I say I could beat any professional MMA fighter in anything?
You just made a fool out of yourself and instead of adressing my points, your trying to attack me personally. Great job in demonstrating that your argument is total horseshit.
I know that you probably taught the Gracie family everything they know, you won several grappling tournaments, you beat up Mike Tyson in a street fight by pulling guard and pulling off an inverted triangle choke- blah blah blah. I'm so very impressed.
Bottom line is that Shields is a boring fairy, your an internet turd who thinks he knows everything but in reality doesn't know shit and your mancrush on Shields is probably the result of you stalking him in public.
LOL. I was getting my ass handed to me by the Gracies before the UFC and long before you put on your first canvas pajamas.
Your whining was thoroughly address but you are too preoccupied being a cry baby. The fight is now old news and Jake is still the winner. Act like man, for chrissakes.
And you still can't seem to grasp that Shield's job is to win fights, which he has done in the last fifteen years, and not to amuse you. And this "fairy" who you presume to judge with your purple belt on how he should finish fights would easily finish you and whomever you train under.
And go back to crying hoping it will change reality, fag.
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Hahaha, don't forget, pellius looks like a california raisin...he's pushing 50 and looking like an emaciated ethiopian!
When it comes to MMA you've got to be the biggest moron on this board. You claim that judges and refs are paid off and fights are fixed yet you're still follow the sport and complain when things don't turn out the way you want or think. And to think you have no idea how retarded you sound.
Stick to injecting your ass with drugs, gorging yourself with food, strutting around with your arms out thinking that people are impressed with your bloated drug induced physique and convince yourself that you could last more than 3 minutes with this emaciated ethiopian or any so called twink that has achieved at least a blue belt ranking in BJJ. The fraud that bodybuilders are anything even remotely resembling athletes has long been exposed. You're probably getting winded just reading this.
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LOL. I was getting my ass handed to me by the Gracies before the UFC and long before you put on your first canvas pajamas.
Your whining was thoroughly address but you are too preoccupied being a cry baby. The fight is now old news and Jake is still the winner. Act like man, for chrissakes.
And you still can't seem to grasp that Shield's job is to win fights, which he has done in the last fifteen years, and not to amuse you. And this "fairy" who you presume to judge with your purple belt on how he should finish fights would easily finish you and whomever you train under.
And go back to crying hoping it will change reality, fag.
The bottom line is that not losing a fight is different than winning a fight. Shields has won a ton of fights simply by bear hugging his opponent and not doing anything remotely close to winning. He lucks out on the fact that most judges are utterly clueless when it comes to scoring his lay and pray man on man makeout sessions. In PRIDE he would have lost 90% of his fights or went home with no money for pulling the bitch shit he does. Insulting me won't change reality. If ( by some miracle) he gets a title shot against GSP, or even a match against anyone in the divison who is agressive and has a decent ground game, he will get completely destroyed. Kampmann is at the bottom of the division and he arguably won the fight. Put Sheilds against a contender and he will fold like a cheap suit.
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Personally I like to see a good fight, that means an ending, not 3 dudes opinions on who did a better job at it, but a submission or a KO leave no doubt as to who the better guy was and is much more entertaining.
My 3 cents. :)
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Personally I like to see a good fight, that means an ending, not 3 dudes opinions on who did a better job at it, but a submission or a KO leave no doubt as to who the better guy was and is much more entertaining.
My 3 cents. :)
You need jiu jitsu lessons. MMA isn't for your entertainment! ::)
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You need jiu jitsu lessons. MMA isn't for your entertainment! ::)
??? I'm a watcher, not a doer. Besides, Jew Jitsu is only good if you can get the other guy on the ground. :D
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The bottom line is that not losing a fight is different than winning a fight. Shields has won a ton of fights simply by bear hugging his opponent and not doing anything remotely close to winning. He lucks out on the fact that most judges are utterly clueless when it comes to scoring his lay and pray man on man makeout sessions. In PRIDE he would have lost 90% of his fights or went home with no money for pulling the bitch shit he does. Insulting me won't change reality. If ( by some miracle) he gets a title shot against GSP, or even a match against anyone in the divison who is agressive and has a decent ground game, he will get completely destroyed. Kampmann is at the bottom of the division and he arguably won the fight. Put Sheilds against a contender and he will fold like a cheap suit.
Not losing a fight is called draw. Shield's was judged the winner. Shields "has won a ton of fights" by controlling and dominating his fighter. Every fighter has their own particular style they've developed through years of training and their particular strengths they exploit. Crocop had his round house kicks, Liddell had his stalking style and looping right hand, Couture is primarily ground and pound. Shield's being primarily a Jiu-Jitsu stylist inevitably takes you down with a single leg and mounts you. Submissions, in an MMA (and no gi) match are limited. It use to be that you strike from the mount forcing your opponent to turn on his stomach giving his back setting you up for a choke. Back in the day, virtually 95% of the fights ended this way. Without a gi going for the arm bar is too risky (unless you're Rickson) because if you miss it, which is very easy to do with a skilled fighter not wearing a gi, you lose everything and find yourself on your back. Again, no problem in tournament Jiu-Jitsu but a big problem when your opponent can start raining down blows. Submitting someone with an Americana in the mount is virtually impossible against a skilled fighter. So the only thing left is to rain down blows, and now that Jake is in the UFC maybe he'll start dropping some elbows. One thing that most impressed with Kampmann was how skilled he was on the ground. Whereas Dan Henderson, the only fighter to hold two titles concurrently in a major MMA venue and an Olympic level wrestler and far from washed up was utterly helpless in Shield's mount, Kampmann was not only always able to escape but never really allowed Shield's to establish position to set up a submission or a strong enough base to strike effectively.
So that's how the fight went. Shields taking Kampmann to the ground, mounting, Kampmann escaping, repeat. None of the strikes on either side took any toll, none of Kampmann's gutsy submission attempts ever came close.
No one, including Dana White and Shield's himself, were pleased or impressed with his first UFC performance. It seems like not many, if anyone, have made impressive debuts in the UFC despite being successful in other organizations including Rua and Rampage. If it was a five round fight I believe Shield's would have lost. But it wasn't and he won.
You may not like Shield's fighting style but it has served him well for during his 11 year career and his virtually unmatched 15 consecutive victories. You may think he is undeserving of a title shot but other than Jon Fitch who is more worthy? Hardy got a title shot and the only fairly big name fighter he beat was Swick. The last big name fighter Koscheck beat was Diego Sanchez back in '07 which already earned him a title shot which he lost. Koscheck's last win was a decision victory over Paul Daley (who beat Swick) whom Shields submitted handily in the second round. Compare either of those fighters, Hardy and Koscheck, and the rest of the 170 lb class fight records, to that of Shields and tell me Shields is not worthy of a title shot. Put your emotions and personal feelings aside.
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I guess you also missed those 3 knees that Kampmann dropped Shields with... on 2 separate occasions.
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I guess you also missed those 3 knees that Kampmann dropped Shields with... on 2 separate occasions.
You need to re-watch the fight. It was one knee. The other one was a glance as Jake dropped levels for the takedown.
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I misspoke when I said that submissions in MMA (and no gi) are limited. They are limited a lot when you compare it to wearing a gi but in this case I meant to say submissions from the mount position. Going for the arm is too risky and the Americana is pretty tough to lock on against an opponent at, say, a purple belt level. So unless he gives you his back for a choke (although there is a choke form the front that sometimes works) all that's left is hold position and drop some bombs. Kampmann was surprisingly good at getting out of the mount position and just great on the ground overall.
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You need to re-watch the fight. It was one knee. The other one was a glance as Jake dropped levels for the takedown.
I don't know why he cares. According to him, it's all fixed anyway. Refs and judges are all paid off. With that perspective to argue or comment about anything regarding how fights turn out is simply moronic.
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I don't know why he cares. According to him, it's all fixed anyway. Refs and judges are all paid off. With that perspective to argue or comment about anything regarding how fights turn out is simply moronic.
QFT...lol.