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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Meso_z on October 30, 2010, 01:03:35 AM
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I need your opinion..after a thread on the streroids board regarding "staying on".
I was planning to go off the drugs a while ago, i juiced for like 1.5 - 2 years straight..
So, to make it more "painless" i just cruised with 250 test until i would come off...I cruised for 8 weeks "successfuly ::)" and in the 9th week (NOW) i blew it. got back on 1 gram test...im on this for a week now.
NOW im seriously thinking of how STUPID i was and consider going off for like 6-7 months...is it a good idea to stop it cold turkey from next week?
as for pct, i will only use tribulus.
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just to add. i already did clomid and hcg the last 3 weeks of the cruise, thats why im using only tribulus now..
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Can't help you much but good look, it's the right thing to do
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Whatever you do, do not come off cold turkey! Trust me, speaking from unwanted experience, cold turkey is hell on earth.
If you're really wanting to come off from such a long run, transition into it like you had planned. Drop back down to 250wk for a few wks, then drop it down to 250 every 10-11 days for about a month. After that start a run of HCG for 10-12 days, 1,000-1,500iu/ed. Then start clomid/nolva...I'd plan on a minimum of 4wks, 6wks being more like it.
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Fuck cold turkey...i had to come off mid way thru a cycle about a month and a half/2months ago and still feel incredibly shutDown....AJ what advice would you give Me
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Fuck cold turkey...i had to come off mid way thru a cycle about a month and a half/2months ago and still feel incredibly shutDown....AJ what advice would you give Me
I''d definitely try to run a course of nolva/clomid.
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Whatever you do, do not come off cold turkey! Trust me, speaking from unwanted experience, cold turkey is hell on earth.
If you're really wanting to come off from such a long run, transition into it like you had planned. Drop back down to 250wk for a few wks, then drop it down to 250 every 10-11 days for about a month. After that start a run of HCG for 10-12 days, 1,000-1,500iu/ed. Then start clomid/nolva...I'd plan on a minimum of 4wks, 6wks being more like it.
how about gains? will they be better when i jump back on? im in a pretty goodl level right now. of course im going to eat clean most of the time.
someone also adviced me to take arimidex...?
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Taper down to HRT doses again before coming off completely, man. I agree with HCG and clomid on cycle to wake up the leydigs. Just take some aromasin for PCT so you has estrogen but not in excess.
Look into d-aspartic acid and longjack to go with the trib. Don't know if it really kicks up test but its cheap and will keep your dick hard. I prefer mild PCT because your body will do the rest if you were smart on cycle and didn't get brutally shut down.
Coming off wont be any quicker on lower doses as a disclaimer. But it'll be easier. I know lots of people argue about this but shut down = shut down. But at least you won't get monster depression and loss of gains coming off from a lower dose in my experience. I'll be coming off after 1 more blast and an on cycle recovery phase (clomid and HCG).
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Taper down to HRT doses again before coming off completely, man. I agree with HCG and clomid on cycle to wake up the leydigs. Just take some aromasin for PCT so you has estrogen but not in excess.
Look into d-aspartic acid and longjack to go with the trib. Don't know if it really kicks up test but its cheap and will keep your dick hard. I prefer mild PCT because your body will do the rest if you were smart on cycle and didn't get brutally shut down.
Coming off wont be any quicker on lower doses as a disclaimer. But it'll be easier. I know lots of people argue about this but shut down = shut down. But at least you won't get monster depression and loss of gains coming off from a lower dose in my experience. I'll be coming off after 1 more blast and an on cycle recovery phase (clomid and HCG).
It will be a long road for sure and i must stay positive at all cost.
I was looking into a bulgarian tribulus..tribestan is called and i heard it actually works...any aexperiences with trib anyone?
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how about gains? will they be better when i jump back on? im in a pretty goodl level right now. of course im going to eat clean most of the time.
someone also adviced me to take arimidex...?
You're going to lose some muscle, just no way around that. When you come off, really off, some muscle always goes but it's not that hard to get it back, so not really a big deal.
Adex PCT I do not recommend.
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Taper down to HRT doses again before coming off completely, man. I agree with HCG and clomid on cycle to wake up the leydigs. Just take some aromasin for PCT so you has estrogen but not in excess.
Look into d-aspartic acid and longjack to go with the trib. Don't know if it really kicks up test but its cheap and will keep your dick hard. I prefer mild PCT because your body will do the rest if you were smart on cycle and didn't get brutally shut down.
Coming off wont be any quicker on lower doses as a disclaimer. But it'll be easier. I know lots of people argue about this but shut down = shut down. But at least you won't get monster depression and loss of gains coming off from a lower dose in my experience. I'll be coming off after 1 more blast and an on cycle recovery phase (clomid and HCG).
D-aspartic acid is legit my friend. I was on for 18 months or so, tapered down to 300mg test e a week and then every 10-14 days and off. I used the DAA and it helped a lot, more than any clomid/nolva combo ever has. Change your training as well, I always do a 4 moth periodization when coming off. Starting with extremely easy weights for the first 6-8 weeks and gradually building up. This gives you a chance to recover and doesn't give you the mental drain of losing so much strength.
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You're going to lose some muscle, just no way around that. When you come off, really off, some muscle always goes but it's not that hard to get it back, so not really a big deal.
Adex PCT I do not recommend.
will i get fat? whats your experiences..
my diet is going to be a mainteinance one..like i do now.
300 prot
250 carbs
fats only efas
all clean 6 days a week..once a week i eat whatever i want for one or more meals..
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im gonna use the pharmaceeutical version of tribulus - tribestan by sopharma bulgaria.
ive used it in the past and actually worked...but then again i did it after my first cycle ever...so things are a bit different as i cycled for a long time.
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will i get fat? whats your experiences..
my diet is going to be a mainteinance one..like i do now.
300 prot
250 carbs
fats only efas
all clean 6 days a week..once a week i eat whatever i want for one or more meals..
If you come off cold turkey then you will put on some fat, how much is to be determined. Cold turkey can make it very hard to train and can really slow your metabolism down. If you come off right though you should be fine. You might gain a little body fat but it shouldn't be anything to get up in arms about.
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this is my monthly posting on this board,,this is actualy important posting,,
my recomendation is TO NEVER GET OFF only change doses and profuct,,but! if you get off make sure you always replace it with gh,,why do i say this? you have to create an increase in fibers while off the aas,,inorder for when you come back on which will be after about 95 days since youll go insane,,after that 95 days off you will go on back on ass and you want the gh to be there on the break so it prep the body for the new explosion that will occure,,ONLY THIS WAY YOU WILL GET TO THE MUSCLE QUALITY AND LEVEL YOU HAD BEFORE AND BE ABLE TO SURPASS IT,,dont ever forget the gh when off,,it is highly important to bodybulder,,not igf ,, h g h ,,make sure you are on it at 2-5 units a day ,,you will stabelize everything in your body fast,,recovrer optimally with out the need for any balonie pct,,and when go on you will get back quality and size within 4 weeks,,if you dont do this you will have to work about 4-6 months to get same quality as before especially if were on gh in past,,
good luck,,
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You're going to lose some muscle, just no way around that. When you come off, really off, some muscle always goes but it's not that hard to get it back, so not really a big deal.
Adex PCT I do not recommend.
Agreed, adex is great while on, but not worth a shit while on PCT. If you want to use an AI for PCT run aromasin with clomid. Clomid 25-100mg ed for 3-4 weeks, and aromasin ed 25mg for six weeks. Aromasin will help stop the estro rebound when coming off such a long cycle.
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this is my monthly posting on this board,,this is actualy important posting,,
my recomendation is TO NEVER GET OFF only change doses and profuct,,but! if you get off make sure you always replace it with gh,,why do i say this? you have to create an increase in fibers while off the aas,,inorder for when you come back on which will be after about 95 days since youll go insane,,after that 95 days off you will go on back on ass and you want the gh to be there on the break so it prep the body for the new explosion that will occure,,ONLY THIS WAY YOU WILL GET TO THE MUSCLE QUALITY AND LEVEL YOU HAD BEFORE AND BE ABLE TO SURPASS IT,,dont ever forget the gh when off,,it is highly important to bodybulder,,not igf ,, h g h ,,make sure you are on it at 2-5 units a day ,,you will stabelize everything in your body fast,,recovrer optimally with out the need for any balonie pct,,and when go on you will get back quality and size within 4 weeks,,if you dont do this you will have to work about 4-6 months to get same quality as before especially if were on gh in past,,
good luck,,
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thanks for your response gh15, i appreciate it.
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this is my monthly posting on this board,,this is actualy important posting,,
my recomendation is TO NEVER GET OFF only change doses and profuct,,but! if you get off make sure you always replace it with gh,,why do i say this? you have to create an increase in fibers while off the aas,,inorder for when you come back on which will be after about 95 days since youll go insane,,after that 95 days off you will go on back on ass and you want the gh to be there on the break so it prep the body for the new explosion that will occure,,ONLY THIS WAY YOU WILL GET TO THE MUSCLE QUALITY AND LEVEL YOU HAD BEFORE AND BE ABLE TO SURPASS IT,,dont ever forget the gh when off,,it is highly important to bodybulder,,not igf ,, h g h ,,make sure you are on it at 2-5 units a day ,,you will stabelize everything in your body fast,,recovrer optimally with out the need for any balonie pct,,and when go on you will get back quality and size within 4 weeks,,if you dont do this you will have to work about 4-6 months to get same quality as before especially if were on gh in past,,
good luck,,
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First thing, for the sake of argument lets say English really isn't your first language, OK, fine, but punctuation doesn't really have anything to do with what language you speak, the double commas and "ass" abbreviation....come on.
As for the post itself, sure HGH while off can be a good thing, but you have to remember most of the people you're talking to here aren't running cycles of pro's, they can't afford GH year round, etc. Most guys have to come off, if for no other reason than their pocket books...they can't all be Champions like me, lol!
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Recommending aromasin for PCT again, little bit of clomid if you didn't run some on cycle recovery drugs. GH would be awesome and slin too. You could run T3 as well or just ECA if you don't want to fuck around with your hormones too much.
This is why I like tapering off. You'll still shrink and lose thickness but it's not like you'll lose a newly acquired 20lbs of solid mass. Lean out and abstain from stims so your adrenals aren't fatigued when you come off. You want the least stressful environment when coming off. That includes no drama at work, with your family and especially with your woman.
I'm still waiting for better SARMs to come out. Gonna start HCG and clomid to get my woman pregnant but will probably cruise for some time. Even when training and diet is shit I stay hard and lean having been on for a year. Took a couple few week breaks (was taking short esters too) and lost no more than a couple lbs. Long term intelligent cycles are the way to go. Or cut naturally and do quick, hard blast cycles and eat hard afterwards to keep from dipping (also run GH and slin when you're off). Will never cycle any other way. Fuck 8 or 12 week bullshit cycles.
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Stay on a ml a week. 8)
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Stay on a ml a week. 8)
for how long do you "cruise" before "blasting?"
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Stay on a ml a week. 8)
I think i need a break...y know what i mean..
besides, im in my early 20's...cant do this for a lifetime.
I will see it as a challenge.
ALSO i just want to figure out by myself if this "fresh receptors" or "musclememory" they say are really true...
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what an idiot you are judging me for juicing at 20 and now you say you're 'on' since 2 years straight @ 21 years old! woww
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what an idiot you are judging me for juicing at 20 and now you say you're 'on' since 2 years straight @ 21 years old! woww
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...? i was trying to help you since i had the same thing going on, didnt i mention it in your thread?
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...? i was trying to help you since i had the same thing going on, didnt i mention it in your thread?
you did not tried to answer my questions in my thread, you told me I probably had problems inside and started talking bullshit about family...
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you did not tried to answer my questions in my thread, you told me I probably had problems inside and started talking bullshit about family...
the family shit i wrote was just an "example" for you to "get it".
good luck man whatever you choose.
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the family shit i wrote was just an "example" for you to "get it".
good luck man whatever you choose.
cool thank you
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Just started 750 test and 600 deca a week ago...
Today i started the sdrol at 20mg a day for 4 weeks.
Im gonna update here and there about my weight gain, lifts...changes in physique.
Im looking to gain couple kgs CLEAN as much as i can.
I already feel the test IN...no "kick in" and stuff, just right away.
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Just started 750 test and 600 deca a week ago...
Today i started the sdrol at 20mg a day for 4 weeks.
Im gonna update here and there about my weight gain, lifts...changes in physique.
Im looking to gain couple kgs CLEAN as much as i can.
I already feel the test IN...no "kick in" and stuff, just right away.
How much time have you been off? What was your weight/strength loss?
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How much time have you been off? What was your weight/strength loss?
4 and a half months. I lost about 10 kilos since then.
for 2 months after i stoped i was stronger than before in most of my lifts both in reps and weight... (weird isnt it?) ...I lost water weight and was so much defined.
THEN for the next 2,5 months strenght gradually decreased...but im still stronger than when i was as a natty..as i said above, i have lost 10 kilos and became just A BIT smoother, nothing crazy.
Now, about my bloodwork, 2 months after the cycle EVERYTHING was back to normal...EVERYTHING.
I also managed to "recover" my natty test, free test, lh, fsh FULLY.
Thats it. Keep in mind i was for a looong time "on"
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4 and a half months. I lost about 10 kilos since then.
for 2 months after i stoped i was stronger than before in most of my lifts both in reps and weight... (weird isnt it?) ...I lost water weight and was so much defined.
THEN for the next 2,5 months strenght gradually decreased...but im still stronger than when i was as a natty..as i said above, i have lost 10 kilos and became just A BIT smoother, nothing crazy.
Now, about my bloodwork, 2 months after the cycle EVERYTHING was back to normal...EVERYTHING.
I also managed to "recover" my natty test, free test, lh, fsh FULLY.
Thats it. Keep in mind i was for a looong time "on"
Can you share your feeling while you were off?
any depression?
what about sexual function?
did you use GH while you were off?
at which age did you start the "long cycle"
and of course, what your plans for the future? :)
im sorry for all the questions, but it's really interesting i and important information.
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Can you share your feeling while you were off? I actually felt better, like healthier, lighter...y know..Motivation was so and so somedays i was doing good while others i felt shit. But that wasnt from the juice...as im the same when im on.lol
any depression? No nothing out of the ordinary...evryone gets depressed daily and im not talking about bbers only..its completely normal
what about sexual function? Yes that was the issue, it was down...way down...i could maintain an erection by had no desire y know.
did you use GH while you were off? No, no money for gh
at which age did you start the "long cycle" 19-20, 1,5 if not more years on.
and of course, what your plans for the future? :) Graduate and get a job, lol. As far as bb goes.. i might continue bbing 1-2 more years and then im going for the health look...
im sorry for all the questions, but it's really interesting i and important information.
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4 and a half months. I lost about 10 kilos since then.
for 2 months after i stoped i was stronger than before in most of my lifts both in reps and weight... (weird isnt it?) ...I lost water weight and was so much defined.
THEN for the next 2,5 months strenght gradually decreased...but im still stronger than when i was as a natty..as i said above, i have lost 10 kilos and became just A BIT smoother, nothing crazy.
Now, about my bloodwork, 2 months after the cycle EVERYTHING was back to normal...EVERYTHING.
I also managed to "recover" my natty test, free test, lh, fsh FULLY.
Thats it. Keep in mind i was for a looong time "on"
The weight loss at the end of the day is normal. What impresses me the most is that your bloodwork shhowed normal values after only 2 months. Probably because you are still very young.
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The weight loss at the end of the day is normal. What impresses me the most is that your bloodwork shhowed normal values after only 2 months. Probably because you are still very young.
Yes that was quite impressive.. 8)
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Just started 750 test and 600 deca a week ago...
Today i started the sdrol at 20mg a day for 4 weeks.
Im gonna update here and there about my weight gain, lifts...changes in physique.
Im looking to gain couple kgs CLEAN as much as i can.
I already feel the test IN...no "kick in" and stuff, just right away.
same cycle as i started like 4 months ago except it was 1500 test and 900 deca.. gained almost 40 pounds in 3 months loll..
i was pretty wattery but one week after my last injection i started sdrol again with a diet and.. results are nice :P going to remove last water soon with lasix and will be shreddedddd face. in 2 weeks im stopping sdrol, starting 500 tren with 250 test and insulin.. i dont thinkg im gonna come off again..
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same cycle as i started like 4 months ago except it was 1500 test and 900 deca.. gained almost 40 pounds in 3 months loll..
i was pretty wattery but one week after my last injection i started sdrol again with a diet and.. results are nice :P going to remove last water soon with lasix and will be shreddedddd face. in 2 weeks im stopping sdrol, starting 500 tren with 250 test and insulin.. i dont thinkg im gonna come off again..
Are you getting ready for a competition?
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Are you getting ready for a competition?
no.. I cant afford massive doses of gh.. im not doing things half-assed
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no.. I cant afford massive doses of gh.. im not doing things half-assed
Sounds like your pretty heavy on the dosage/usage early on, so i added one and one together... :D
But as long as you aren't pissing blood and are smart about things, you'll be fine.
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same cycle as i started like 4 months ago except it was 1500 test and 900 deca.. gained almost 40 pounds in 3 months loll..
i was pretty wattery but one week after my last injection i started sdrol again with a diet and.. results are nice :P going to remove last water soon with lasix and will be shreddedddd face. in 2 weeks im stopping sdrol, starting 500 tren with 250 test and insulin.. i dont thinkg im gonna come off again..
40 pounds! :o ;D lol I dont want to gain that much, just a few clean lbs..maybe 10 in order to get back on my previous condition.
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A small update. I rarely if ever post pics...I dont want to due to "privacy" ::) pics are fucked up due to little "touch ups" to ensure my privacy.
4and half months after i went off. Lost some of "my" size (as if it was mine ::)) and smoothed a bit.
81 kilos here.. I have 1.5 maybe 2 weeks i started my cycle and im up 2 kilos...
I will come off this summer again..
And by next year i want to do maybe 2 more cycles before I stop steroids once and for all, or at least for a long time (I will still bodybuild of course).
here.
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great build, especialy legs.............. good luck on never going back on in a few yrs time, the fuckers are alot more seductive than you think
longest ive managed to stay off is a little over 2yr, now i just treat me self to a nice summer cycle once a year
i do think if you keep your diet and training up you can still look great, just not as big when your off... in my time off i looked amazing in the gym, but obviously you just dont fill out the clothes or have that semi pump all day long when that you have when your on
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great build, especialy legs.............. good luck on never going back on in a few yrs time, the fuckers are alot more seductive than you think
longest ive managed to stay off is a little over 2yr, now i just treat me self to a nice summer cycle once a year
i do think if you keep your diet and training up you can still look great, just not as big when your off... in my time off i looked amazing in the gym, but obviously you just dont fill out the clothes or have that semi pump all day long when that you have when your on
yes! ;D
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A small update. I rarely if ever post pics...I dont want to due to "privacy" ::) pics are fucked up due to little "touch ups" to ensure my privacy.
4and half months after i went off. Lost some of "my" size (as if it was mine ::)) and smoothed a bit.
81 kilos here.. I have 1.5 maybe 2 weeks i started my cycle and im up 2 kilos...
I will come off this summer again..
And by next year i want to do maybe 2 more cycles before I stop steroids once and for all, or at least for a long time (I will still bodybuild of course).
here.
all good lightning..
jk lol.. sick shape man! but why go off?
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A small update. I rarely if ever post pics...I dont want to due to "privacy" ::) pics are fucked up due to little "touch ups" to ensure my privacy.
4and half months after i went off. Lost some of "my" size (as if it was mine ::)) and smoothed a bit.
81 kilos here.. I have 1.5 maybe 2 weeks i started my cycle and im up 2 kilos...
I will come off this summer again..
And by next year i want to do maybe 2 more cycles before I stop steroids once and for all, or at least for a long time (I will still bodybuild of course).
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lol,,at your level there is no stop,,good physiqe but there is no stop ,,as isaid milion times before
no hormones = no bodybuild,,anyone who say other way is liar of the utmost degree,,and you lost size but more importantly you got softer as in more water retention and higher bodyfat,,it is all minimal since only couple months but still the shrinkage is not weight per say as much as muscle! little more fat little less muscle and that will do it,,
keep at it you got good physiqe ,,trust me i can see through the shdaow of the window light that hit the muscle in the right way ,,you got good physiqe but you need to be on and take it to next level ,,it takes months over months sometimes years over years,,then again if bodybuild is not what you want to do then you dont have to
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lol,,at your level there is no stop,,good physiqe but there is no stop ,,as isaid milion times before
no hormones = no bodybuild,,anyone who say other way is liar of the utmost degree,,and you lost size but more importantly you got softer as in more water retention and higher bodyfat,,it is all minimal since only couple months but still the shrinkage is not weight per say as much as muscle! little more fat little less muscle and that will do it,,
keep at it you got good physiqe ,,trust me i can see through the shdaow of the window light that hit the muscle in the right way ,,you got good physiqe but you need to be on and take it to next level ,,it takes months over months sometimes years over years,,then again if bodybuild is not what you want to do then you dont have to
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Thanks. :)
I know im good.. but I am broke... I strugle to even buy the amps from the pharmacy y know...
the ones who succeed in bbing nowadays unfortunately are the ones with lots of $$$$, even if they have shit genetics they "fix" it with $$$$.
thanks anyway big guy.
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Wow..unbelievable for 4 months off. Where are your "on" pics?
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Wow..unbelievable for 4 months off. Where are your "on" pics?
Good question. I'd like to see this too, Meso_z.
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Good question. I'd like to see this too, Meso_z.
I dont want to due to privacy. sorry.. But i will post updates (pics)..
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A small update. I rarely if ever post pics...I dont want to due to "privacy" ::) pics are fucked up due to little "touch ups" to ensure my privacy.
4and half months after i went off. Lost some of "my" size (as if it was mine ::)) and smoothed a bit.
81 kilos here.. I have 1.5 maybe 2 weeks i started my cycle and im up 2 kilos...
I will come off this summer again..
And by next year i want to do maybe 2 more cycles before I stop steroids once and for all, or at least for a long time (I will still bodybuild of course).
here.
Looking great!!
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Looking great!!
no homo? ;D
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no homo? ;D
errr yes, sorry.
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....is there somthing?
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....is there somthing?
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Thats crazy for 4 months off. When I go off I can maintain/gain lifts for 1month. I also look much better due to water loss.
After that 1st month it's over! I turn into a weak, fat skinny peice of shit (by my standards). Realistically I dont look that bad when off, but all my lifts go down drastically.
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I was stonger in all of my lifts, some in weight and some in reps 1 month after i came off...then for another month i maintained my baseline strengh and the last 2.5 months my strength gradually decreased and i looked smaller..
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Update.....no pics. :-\ :( ;D Im so fucking bored to take pics, seriously. Plus its nothing special to see lol.
So Im back at 90kg..stopped sdrol a week ago. So I guess I did put my "mass" (water, fat and a little bit of muscle) back. rofl :D ;D
Because Im disgusted from all the eating all looking bloated...I love my thin face and I hate it when I turn tomatoe red even from laughing. lol
Im starting diet from next week..low carbs.
stack will be my lovely test and deca + I will add some proviron (old school stack OR poor mans stack ;D)...when i get lean enough I will drop the test stavios style and up the deca - as musch as I can afford. Proviron and maybe an oral by the end of august. September I will do "pct" and then I hope to comme off for a looong time..
All the above are just my thoughts at the moment which might change as Im not a stable person as far as decisions go. ;D
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Update.....no pics. :-\ :( ;D Im so fucking bored to take pics, seriously. Plus its nothing special to see lol.
So Im back at 90kg..stopped sdrol a week ago. So I guess I did put my "mass" (water, fat and a little bit of muscle) back. rofl :D ;D
Because Im disgusted from all the eating all looking bloated...I love my thin face and I hate it when I turn tomatoe red even from laughing. lol
Im starting diet from next week..low carbs.
stack will be my lovely test and deca + I will add some proviron (old school stack OR poor mans stack ;D)...when i get lean enough I will drop the test stavios style and up the deca - as musch as I can afford. Proviron and maybe an oral by the end of august. September I will do "pct" and then I hope to comme off for a looong time..
All the above are just my thoughts at the moment which might change as Im not a stable person as far as decisions go. ;D
But why Deca ?
and it's kinda wired decision to take deca as the last thing, i mean the recover after Deca is pretty long...
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But why Deca ?
and it's kinda wired decision to take deca as the last thing, i mean the recover after Deca is pretty long...
I think its broscience..the whole "recovery" thing..you will recover sooner or later. lol
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Man I would have deca ddick so fast without test
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ive got to admit, ive never ever sufferd from the decca dick/tren dick thing.... i think part of the recovery thing is mental, as comming off seriously fucks with your head makes u a little depressed, the pct i think kind of eases the pain and fools you that it isnt so bad
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I get deca dick even when takin twice as much test...and that shit makes my hair fall out so I don't fuck with it anymore
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I need your opinion..after a thread on the streroids board regarding "staying on".
I was planning to go off the drugs a while ago, i juiced for like 1.5 - 2 years straight..
So, to make it more "painless" i just cruised with 250 test until i would come off...I cruised for 8 weeks "successfuly ::)" and in the 9th week (NOW) i blew it. got back on 1 gram test...im on this for a week now.
NOW im seriously thinking of how STUPID i was and consider going off for like 6-7 months...is it a good idea to stop it cold turkey from next week?
as for pct, i will only use tribulus.
You have to think "big picture" when planning your cycle and recovery.
After running 1G ew for over a year, I took over six months to recover while slowly lowering my dosage.
I ran Nolvadex while weaning off Test and have fully recovered with no longterm "potency" issues.
The older I get, the more I realize overall health is more important in the long run........though I miss the "rush" at times.
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A small update. its not like anyone cares.
test+deca. weight the same.
In the morning after a piss and a dump, 189 pounds. Good pounds, still have striations in the hams, quads and veins, abs are blurry, they are always like that if im not in contest shape thats why im trying to balance it with training with weights to "pop".
Now, regarding my weight, i want to make myself clear im not bulking, in fact im eating a little.. with free meals frequently.
If i gain weight, i try to lose it. if i lose weight im happy and if i remain the same weight im even happier.
**I ate a SHITLOAD of stracciatela icecream yesterday after training (with liquid clen syryp spilled all over the top rofl), my farts smelled like hell all day long.haha. today im lighter ..wtf. ;)
Red face is gone without touching anything (thank god). it must have been the sdrol.
ive also started hcg today. 1500iu e4d for 3-4 weeks. just because.
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A small update. its not like anyone cares.
test+deca. weight the same.
In the morning after a piss and a dump, 189 pounds. Good pounds, still have striations in the hams, quads and veins, abs are blurry, they are always like that if im not in contest shape thats why im trying to balance it with training with weights to "pop".
Now, regarding my weight, i want to make myself clear im not bulking, in fact im eating a little.. with free meals frequently.
If i gain weight, i try to lose it. if i lose weight im happy and if i remain the same weight im even happier.
**I ate a SHITLOAD of stracciatela icecream yesterday after training (with liquid clen syryp spilled all over the top rofl), my farts smelled like hell all day long.haha. today im lighter ..wtf. ;)
Red face is gone without touching anything (thank god). it must have been the sdrol.
ive also started hcg today. 1500iu e4d for 3-4 weeks. just because.
This is a sad thread, it's like reading an obituary lol. I understand why you're coming off the juice, but from the pix you did have potential. It is expensive though, and time consuming, I'm trying to see if I got what it takes, see how far I can go, at this point, I'm broke, only got time for myself and no one else. Any other person would find my life, sad lol.
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This is a sad thread, it's like reading an obituary lol. I understand why you're coming off the juice, but from the pix you did have potential. It is expensive though, and time consuming, I'm trying to see if I got what it takes, see how far I can go, at this point, I'm broke, only got time for myself and no one else. Any other person would find my life, sad lol.
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I believe and been told that I have all the potential needed to be a good competitive bber. Its just the $$$ needed that hold me back...so i stick with low dosages, basic drugs and ok eating.
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Whatever you do, do not come off cold turkey! Trust me, speaking from unwanted experience, cold turkey is hell on earth.
If you're really wanting to come off from such a long run, transition into it like you had planned. Drop back down to 250wk for a few wks, then drop it down to 250 every 10-11 days for about a month. After that start a run of HCG for 10-12 days, 1,000-1,500iu/ed. Then start clomid/nolva...I'd plan on a minimum of 4wks, 6wks being more like it.
AJ, now if someone was using hcg throughtout a longer cycle, woudl they be wise to do this hcg protocol or should drop the hcg during cycle and then hit that? and how much nolva/clomid to take?
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A small update. its not like anyone cares.
test+deca. weight the same.
In the morning after a piss and a dump, 189 pounds. Good pounds, still have striations in the hams, quads and veins, abs are blurry, they are always like that if im not in contest shape thats why im trying to balance it with training with weights to "pop".
Now, regarding my weight, i want to make myself clear im not bulking, in fact im eating a little.. with free meals frequently.
If i gain weight, i try to lose it. if i lose weight im happy and if i remain the same weight im even happier.
**I ate a SHITLOAD of stracciatela icecream yesterday after training (with liquid clen syryp spilled all over the top rofl), my farts smelled like hell all day long.haha. today im lighter ..wtf. ;)
Red face is gone without touching anything (thank god). it must have been the sdrol.
ive also started hcg today. 1500iu e4d for 3-4 weeks. just because.
whats the reason for thr hcg kick? and doyou ever run it throughtout a cycle?
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AJ, now if someone was using hcg throughtout a longer cycle, woudl they be wise to do this hcg protocol or should drop the hcg during cycle and then hit that? and how much nolva/clomid to take?
More than likely they wouldn't need the hcg during PCT if they've been using it on cycle. However, long harsh cycles it probably wouldn't hurt to use it during PCT just to be on the safe side...and to clarify, long harsh cycles are not 16wk cycles but more like 24-36 wk runs that combine part of an off-season and contest diet and just a lot of bodily stress.
In most cases 4 wks of Nolva, 40, 40, 20, 20 is pretty good for most guys, clomid wise I prefer something more like 150, 150, 100, 50. I've also used combos of both in the past, although it's not really necessary as they're so closely related, it seemed to be a pretty good mix for me.
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I also use a combo of the two...feels more effective for me but very well could be in my head
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I'm learning quite a bit in this thread, thanks a lot meso. The things that worry me the most aren't the anabolic parts, they're the androgenic side effects. Gh 15 comes off as if I'll never need a PCT, but something tells me he wont be there to apologize when I'm walking around with testicles the size my nipples used to be and nipples the size of his testacles. I'm thinking of doing my first cycle within the next two years, all oral. Start with dianabol for first month, second month transition to anadrol. The last month I want to be doing 10 mgs of Dbol and 30-40 mgs of anadrol. I'm thinking I'll take clomid a week before I start just to get super lean, then stop during the cycle and feel it out. Should I expect a super depression for the first week I'm off just from orals? Is it funny that I'm worried my balls will shrink from this weak a cycle?