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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Wiggs on October 31, 2010, 11:18:40 AM
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Fucking pathetic what we've come to...Look at the conditioning, shape, proportions, tie-ins...WTF happened? No synthol back then, all HG gear back then also....sad
HOLY SHIT check out Edgar Fletcher...
Titus and Prince look awesome...this was actually the first show I ever saw...it was on ESPN.
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90% of GB'rs have a better chest than Palumbo
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Fucking pathetic what we've come to...Look at the conditioning, shape, proportions, tie-ins...WTF happened? No synthol back then, all HG gear back then also....sad
I totally agree, modern BB is a joke.
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Nationals same year...mixture of many weightclasses...
Kamali...
Prince and Cutler and our very own Bobert Chick
Orville Burke
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Have to agree modern bbing is a joke Indeed
it's all about sissy training all these fancy methods fst7 etc
I think the genetics have declined
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bodybuilding was very popular from th e 80s to the mid 90s ................so the field to select the best from was bigger
but i am also of the mind that the drugs were better back then...............every thing was pharma grade, all the growth was pharma grade..........and i think i shows in the physiques
now-a-days.....many guys are using bathtub brew and cheap chinese GH, even many of the top guys
some would argue, but i feel its noticable
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Many of these guys the way they looked then would place very well and in some cases win alot of the small pro shows...And the talent pool was much better back then...alot of the guys today have no business on stage.
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They actually suffered when they dieted then :-\
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I noticed the top pros of the 90's trained very heavy just weeks out from the contest and nowadays you'll be luck to see a guy benching 225 for 6 reps.
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I noticed the top pros of the 90's trained very heavy just weeks out from the contest and nowadays you'll be luck to see a guy benching 225 for 6 reps.
yes very true these guys nowadays are sissys
thats why they just look blown up on drugs
they dont carry the quality muscle of the guys in the 90's
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Many of these guys the way they looked then would place very well and in some cases win alot of the small pro shows...And the talent pool was much better back then...alot of the guys today have no business on stage.
X2
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Nationals same year...mixture of many weightclasses...
Kamali...
Prince and Cutler and our very own Bobert Chick
Orville Burke
Jay looks better there than he did the last 5 years. :o
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bodybuilding was very popular from th e 80s to the mid 90s ................so the field to select the best from was bigger
but i am also of the mind that the drugs were better back then...............every thing was pharma grade, all the growth was pharma grade..........and i think i shows in the physiques
now-a-days.....many guys are using bathtub brew and cheap chinese GH, even many of the top guys
some would argue, but i feel its noticable
so you are saying that the actual drugs are different now?
if they are, what is it about them?...not the same concentration?, not what's on the sticker?
i dont get your statement...its not like building products where you can get an inferior quality . a drug is a drug.
the only possibility is to get some dodgy ones that arent clean. and they are easy to spot as you get sick from them.
so unless the chinese have come up with some way to develop ultra cheap clones of synthetic hormones- which are synthetic clones already, then you are talking absolute rubbish.
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so you are saying that the actual drugs are different now?
if they are, what is it about them?...not the same concentration?, not what's on the sticker?
i dont get your statement...its not like building products where you can get an inferior quality . a drug is a drug.
the only possibility is to get some dodgy ones that arent clean. and they are easy to spot as you get sick from them.
so unless the chinese have come up with some way to develop ultra cheap clones of synthetic hormones- which are synthetic clones already, then you are talking absolute rubbish.
a drug isnt a drug.............anyone who has ever smoked high end hydroponic weed, then smoked shake garbage can tell you their is a big difference
or done shitty, stepped on coke..........compared to pure shit, or expensive liquor and bathtub pruno
i agree, a chemical is either the chemical its supposed to be.,or its not.................but there is just a lot of variation in cheeply made shit, and i dont see how homebrew gear is any different
underdosed, unclean, whatever................ maybe im wrong, but i just think the quality shows in the phgysiques
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PLENTY of size without the stupid GH guts...and the gyno is fixable. What the fuck happened?
And too bad about Edgar Fletcher. Turned out to be another Matt Mendenhall. It's a shame both never reached their true potential.
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Shit quality gear as well as "fake size" from enormous insulin and GH use.
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They actually suffered when they dieted then :-\
And,trained their asses off to boot.
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Look at Jay. Reasonably small waist. and no wrinkles in his lower back...
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Is that Chris Aceto in the start of the first vid? I guess I dont know much about his competitive career, looked great.
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I remember seeing Chris' profile in an old Muscle Mag years ago when he was still in Maine living with his parents, lol!
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I'd rather see someone at say, 5'9 and 240 lbs. ripped to the bone with great proportions, great muscle seperation and detail, and a small, tight waist. Instead, today you'll see the same guy at 270 lbs. with a big GH gut looking like a ripped WWE wrestler...sad...
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wiggs when will you give vegetarianism a shot so you can be a master?
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Damn.....take one guy from those lineups and put him on todays NPC Nationals contests and he would turn pro..
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Damn.....take one guy from those lineups and put him on todays NPC Nationals contests and he would turn pro..
Hell yes..I dare say if someone with reasonably good genetics for size and gear response trained and "geared" the way these guys did back then with what they used (whatever is still around) would attain similar results and shock alot of people...They'll never win the Arnold or O but the fan base would be huge and they could take their niche and make some decent money from it...Edgar Fletcher here makes narrow Phil look like a joke today....
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holly shit at titus, fletcher, ingram and prince :o
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Damn.....take one guy from those lineups and put him on todays NPC Nationals contests and he would turn pro..
The way Edgar Fletcher looked, he could have won the Arnold and possibly the Mr. O this yr...
Most of those dudes looked better than the top 10 of most pro shows...
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The way Edgar Fletcher looked, he could have won the Arnold and possibly the Mr. O this yr...
Most of those dudes looked better than the top 10 of most pro shows...
Nope , In modern BB size and condition are more important than Symmetry and proportions .
(http://www.dutchbodybuilding.com/gallery/data/1016/Rory_Leidelmeyer_026.jpg)
(http://runkz.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/olympia.jpg)
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Nope , In modern BB size and condition are more important than Symmetry and proportions .
(http://www.dutchbodybuilding.com/gallery/data/1016/Rory_Leidelmeyer_026.jpg)
(http://runkz.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/olympia.jpg)
Well, well...in my MIND he would have...leave me alone, stop reminding me of the truth...
I hate you.
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Jay and Ronald look like shite compared to those two in those pics.
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Jay and Ronald look like shite compared to those two in those pics.
Yep. See? We can agree on some things. They would look even worse next to the great Serge Nubret in his prime.
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Yup, except for legs, Serge was awesome. But that's only because there wasn't as much emphasis on lower body development then.
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The way Edgar Fletcher looked, he could have won the Arnold and possibly the Mr. O this yr...
Most of those dudes looked better than the top 10 of most pro shows...
LOL...lets not over do it now...
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LOL...lets not over do it now...
haha, exactly
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Was that Derek Anthony in there after Bob Chick and before Prince?
And holy fuck at prince. Craziness.
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Was that Derek Anthony in there after Bob Chick and before Prince?
And holy fuck at prince. Craziness.
Ahhhhhh....no
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Ahhhhhh....no
Hahahaha. Seriously tho who was that?
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The caliber of physiques has been on the decline since the 90's.
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Bob I guess you can't really give your opinion on this without pissing some people off...Is this assessment correct? If not what do you think about what I posted and what we see today?
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I can give my opinion....It was tougher to get a pro card back then, and the physiques were better....a few reasons....
1. There was no SHW class, so all the talent was in the HW, which means there were a lot of guys that were damn good...many, like Fletcher, Dente, Mendenhall, Leidelmeyer, and (almost) myself....would never make it to the pros because of the depth of the lineups...
2. Physiques were built more in the gym, and for longer timeframe...I was taught from day one by the guys at the gym, that a good base was something you needed to build...naturally.
3. I think guys get on the sauce way to early and never really build that base, which shows in their physiques...as well as guys jumping into the National level shows WAY too early in their "careers"...back in the day, you didnt move up the ranks until you were ready to compete, not just because you were qualified...
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bodybuilding was very popular from th e 80s to the mid 90s ................so the field to select the best from was bigger
but i am also of the mind that the drugs were better back then...............every thing was pharma grade, all the growth was pharma grade..........and i think i shows in the physiques
now-a-days.....many guys are using bathtub brew and cheap chinese GH, even many of the top guys
some would argue, but i feel its noticable
It was more popular and the fields were deeper with quality. Not only were drugs more geneuine in the 80's and mid 90"s, but the guys dialed in better as that was REALLY key to a win. Now we have some diluted NON bodybuilding crap like bikini and the new male board shorts division.
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Bodybuilders today are just as ripped. The old cameras made people look surreal.
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I can give my opinion....It was tougher to get a pro card back then, and the physiques were better....a few reasons....
1. There was no SHW class, so all the talent was in the HW, which means there were a lot of guys that were damn good...many, like Fletcher, Dente, Mendenhall, Leidelmeyer, and (almost) myself....would never make it to the pros because of the depth of the lineups...
2. Physiques were built more in the gym, and for longer timeframe...I was taught from day one by the guys at the gym, that a good base was something you needed to build...naturally.
3. I think guys get on the sauce way to early and never really build that base, which shows in their physiques...as well as guys jumping into the National level shows WAY too early in their "careers"...back in the day, you didnt move up the ranks until you were ready to compete, not just because you were qualified...
I have said before that this class has ruined the NPC in terms of quality...It seems that in this class that too many come in huge but not conditioned like the 90s (Examples, Jason Huh, Kali Muscle) and when or if they get their Pro Cards, they don't grow any more...even Melvin Anthony, who looked excellent at 210 pounds, when he lost a tie breaker to Dennis James in 1998.
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guys like Titus, Wheeler, Cormier, De Mayo...
they had to bust their asses to get their pro cards
and some, as you guys mentioned, didnt get theirs and would've made big damage in current line-ups, all things considered and equal..
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2. Physiques were built more in the gym, and for longer timeframe...I was taught from day one by the guys at the gym, that a good base was something you needed to build...naturally.
It seems like as the average age to turn pro has gone up, the quality of physiques has gone down. Turning pro use to be done in your 20's, now it's late 30's. We're left with new pros who have seen better days; torn muscles, nerve damage, expanding guts, etc. There isn't much potential left in a 38 year old bodybuilder who has been at it for 20 years and is finally turning pro.
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Bob hit the nail on the head
I can give my opinion....It was tougher to get a pro card back then, and the physiques were better....a few reasons....
1. There was no SHW class, so all the talent was in the HW, which means there were a lot of guys that were damn good...many, like Fletcher, Dente, Mendenhall, Leidelmeyer, and (almost) myself....would never make it to the pros because of the depth of the lineups...
2. Physiques were built more in the gym, and for longer timeframe...I was taught from day one by the guys at the gym, that a good base was something you needed to build...naturally.
3. I think guys get on the sauce way to early and never really build that base, which shows in their physiques...as well as guys jumping into the National level shows WAY too early in their "careers"...back in the day, you didnt move up the ranks until you were ready to compete, not just because you were qualified...
I would also add guys back then would train 2-3 hours a day in the gym Then do 2 hours of cardio.They did over train a l il but it made ther bodies more lean vascular and have more muscle seperation.I would see guys back then literally do 20-24 sets for chest,30 sets for legs.They trained harder to, they didnt use Hammer strength or machines as much back then.Hammer strength didnt become popular until Dorain Yates said he used Hammer Strength.
Plus back in 1996 it wasnt uncommon for guys to train 2 body parts a day, and train muscles twice per week.Most routines were Monday Chest Back, Tuesaday legs Calves, Wednesday shoulders and Arms.Then repeat the cycle thursday friday and Saturday. Or they might take Thursday off then go Friday ,sat and Sunday.We are talking 2 bodyparts a day twice per week.Thats alot of training, I know I did it.Thats why I never grew that much until 1994-1995.I gained 15lbs in 3 months from cutting back to one bodypart per day, and training a body part once per week.
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I can give my opinion....It was tougher to get a pro card back then, and the physiques were better....a few reasons....
1. There was no SHW class, so all the talent was in the HW, which means there were a lot of guys that were damn good...many, like Fletcher, Dente, Mendenhall, Leidelmeyer, and (almost) myself....would never make it to the pros because of the depth of the lineups...
2. Physiques were built more in the gym, and for longer timeframe...I was taught from day one by the guys at the gym, that a good base was something you needed to build...naturally.
3. I think guys get on the sauce way to early and never really build that base, which shows in their physiques...as well as guys jumping into the National level shows WAY too early in their "careers"...back in the day, you didnt move up the ranks until you were ready to compete, not just because you were qualified...
Bob, I usually always find myself agreeing with ya because I was there to "see it happen", but in regards to your above comments, I agree with ya more than usual (somewhat close to 198% or more).
The roids changed the game entirely and 'getting bigger' took over and became the objective of the majority of competitive bodybuilders, thereby causing the loss of thousands of guys who did not want to do what was so absolutely necessary to win or simply stand on that stage.
BUT, I somewhat disagree with ya on comment #3 due to the fact that I've seen many national competitors standing on that stage merely because they qualified in some small event back at home. A few even resembled the Pillsbury Dough Boy. I'd name names but I'm not here to embarrass anyone, but I'm sure you've seen it many times yourself back then.
Does the NPC (state and national) have any right to turn down a competitive bodybuilder who looks bad before he goes on stage? Or could such an action cause a possible lawsuit?
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I like Dorian but can we all agree it was he that changed this sport for the worst? e.g. 1993 Mr. O and from then on everyone was chasing that...then came Nassar and Pierre Fux.
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I can give my opinion....It was tougher to get a pro card back then, and the physiques were better....a few reasons....
1. There was no SHW class, so all the talent was in the HW, which means there were a lot of guys that were damn good...many, like Fletcher, Dente, Mendenhall, Leidelmeyer, and (almost) myself....would never make it to the pros because of the depth of the lineups...
2. Physiques were built more in the gym, and for longer timeframe...I was taught from day one by the guys at the gym, that a good base was something you needed to build...naturally.
3. I think guys get on the sauce way to early and never really build that base, which shows in their physiques...as well as guys jumping into the National level shows WAY too early in their "careers"...back in the day, you didnt move up the ranks until you were ready to compete, not just because you were qualified...
Very well said. And the talent back then went deep. Almost any one of those guys were capable of winning. It was just a matter of who brought the best package that day. Hopefully things will swing back around to the way things were...
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I like Dorian but can we all agree it was he that changed this sport for the worst? e.g. 1993 Mr. O and from then on everyone was chasing that...then came Nassar and Pierre Fux.
Agreed.
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I like Dorian but can we all agree it was he that changed this sport for the worst? e.g. 1993 Mr. O and from then on everyone was chasing that...then came Nassar and Pierre Fux.
Dorian brought a new level of size and conditioning, but he only did what was best for him. No one else should have tried to follow him. He was 1 in a million.
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Dorian brought a new level of size and conditioning, but he only did what was best for him. No one else should have tried to follow him. He was 1 in a million.
No one thinks this way...If someone is doing something and obtains incredible results or they meet their end..aka the Sandow...Most will likely try and replicate or do even better...It's only natural...
Myspace....Facebook
Snuggie....Slanket
Dorian...Nassar
Plenty of other parallels...
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No one thinks this way...If someone is doing something and obtains incredible results or they meet their end..aka the Sandow...Most will likely try and replicate or do even better...It's only natural...
Myspace....Facebook
Snuggie....Slanket
Dorian...Nassar
Plenty of other parallels...
Imitation is the highest form of flattery. Unfortunately, the clones look nothing like the original.
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gayer than crying about an era when men looked better naked.
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Back in 95 -96 alot of guys were still training overtraining
This what a chest and back routine would look like back in the 80-and 90's
Bench 5 sets
Decline Bench 4 sets
Incline bench 4 sets
Dumbell press 4 sets incline dumbell press 4 sets
Cable flies 4 sets
Back
Pull ups 4 sets
cable rows 4 sets
wide cable rows 4 sets
Pull down 4 sets
Front pull down 4 sets
dumbell rows 4 sets
bent over rows 4 sets
I knew guys that did this workout 2 times per week.My chest routine now is
2-3 sets bench
2-3 sets incline bench
1 set decline bench
2 sets of flatt dumbell press
2 sets of incline dumbell press or fly
1-2 sets of cables
Once a week.Thats half as much, as they used to do, and I only train chest once per week.
Back then they over trained which was pretty much like cardio so that is why they were so ripped.
Training 2-3 hours a day 6 days a week and training a muscle twice per week, is a full time job.
Your always sore.I know I trained that was the first.7 years I trained.Then in 1995 I saw Blood and Guts and Dorian Yates balls to the wall routine and it changed my way of thinking.I gained like I said before 15-17 lbs in 3 months by cutting back my training.I was natural back then.I went from 225 to 242 lbs in 12 weeks.I went from placing 4th in my first show, to winnning an overall title a year later, by just cutting back the sets and increasing the intesity
Right around 1998 -2000 guys started to train 1 bodypart per day, only once per week.I still see knuckle heads training 2 bodyfats a day twice a week, and they look the same year after year.They look the same now as they did 10 years ago.Its like working a job and not making anymore money after being there 10 years.its insane!
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No one in the top ten of this years nationals would have even gotten a callout in that show.
And that was just 14 years ago.
Bodybuilding has totally fallen off the map.
I wouldnt be surprised if 10 years from now there isnt even a npc/ifbb bodybuilding division and it all turns into male physique/figure or whatever u want to call it.
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Insulin happened.
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Back in 95 -96 alot of guys were still training overtraining
This what a chest and back routine would look like back in the 80-and 90's
Bench 5 sets
Decline Bench 4 sets
Incline bench 4 sets
Dumbell press 4 sets incline dumbell press 4 sets
Cable flies 4 sets
Back
Pull ups 4 sets
cable rows 4 sets
wide cable rows 4 sets
Pull down 4 sets
Front pull down 4 sets
dumbell rows 4 sets
bent over rows 4 sets
I knew guys that did this workout 2 times per week.My chest routine now is
2-3 sets bench
2-3 sets incline bench
1 set decline bench
2 sets of flatt dumbell press
2 sets of incline dumbell press or fly
1-2 sets of cables
Once a week.Thats half as much, as they used to do, and I only train chest once per week.
Back then they over trained which was pretty much like cardio so that is why they were so ripped.
Training 2-3 hours a day 6 days a week and training a muscle twice per week, is a full time job.
Your always sore.I know I trained that was the first.7 years I trained.Then in 1995 I saw Blood and Guts and Dorian Yates balls to the wall routine and it changed my way of thinking.I gained like I said before 15-17 lbs in 3 months by cutting back my training.I was natural back then.I went from 225 to 242 lbs in 12 weeks.I went from placing 4th in my first show, to winnning an overall title a year later, by just cutting back the sets and increasing the intesity
Right around 1998 -2000 guys started to train 1 bodypart per day, only once per week.I still see knuckle heads training 2 bodyfats a day twice a week, and they look the same year after year.They look the same now as they did 10 years ago.Its like working a job and not making anymore money after being there 10 years.its insane!
Looks like their "overtraining" worked pretty well...
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Back in 95 -96 alot of guys were still training overtraining
This what a chest and back routine would look like back in the 80-and 90's
Bench 5 sets
Decline Bench 4 sets
Incline bench 4 sets
Dumbell press 4 sets incline dumbell press 4 sets
Cable flies 4 sets
Back
Pull ups 4 sets
cable rows 4 sets
wide cable rows 4 sets
Pull down 4 sets
Front pull down 4 sets
dumbell rows 4 sets
bent over rows 4 sets
I knew guys that did this workout 2 times per week.My chest routine now is
2-3 sets bench
2-3 sets incline bench
1 set decline bench
2 sets of flatt dumbell press
2 sets of incline dumbell press or fly
1-2 sets of cables
Once a week.Thats half as much, as they used to do, and I only train chest once per week.
Back then they over trained which was pretty much like cardio so that is why they were so ripped.
Training 2-3 hours a day 6 days a week and training a muscle twice per week, is a full time job.
Your always sore.I know I trained that was the first.7 years I trained.Then in 1995 I saw Blood and Guts and Dorian Yates balls to the wall routine and it changed my way of thinking.I gained like I said before 15-17 lbs in 3 months by cutting back my training.I was natural back then.I went from 225 to 242 lbs in 12 weeks.I went from placing 4th in my first show, to winnning an overall title a year later, by just cutting back the sets and increasing the intesity
Right around 1998 -2000 guys started to train 1 bodypart per day, only once per week.I still see knuckle heads training 2 bodyfats a day twice a week, and they look the same year after year.They look the same now as they did 10 years ago.Its like working a job and not making anymore money after being there 10 years.its insane!
John, what about cycles back then compared to today?
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Looks like their "overtraining" worked pretty well...
Really, they were not over training Today guys do a 15 min workout and then shoot 20 ius of slin 4 times day. Hell it takes them more time to shoot up than to do a workout.
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great hair on Titus
a clever variant of the "Matt C"
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Really, they were not over training Today guys do a 15 min workout and then shoot 20 ius of slin 4 times day. Hell it takes them more time to shoot up than to do a workout.
bumps for the truth
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Really, they were not over training Today guys do a 15 min workout and then shoot 20 ius of slin 4 times day. Hell it takes them more time to shoot up than to do a workout.
haha, so true!
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John, what about cycles back then compared to today?
As with today, most cycles had two wheels, but sometimes you'd see a unicycle or a tricycle. Does this help? Thought not. ;D
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As with today, most cycles had two wheels, but sometimes you'd see a unicycle or a tricycle. Does this help? Thought not. ;D
;D
Come on man, do you know?
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bodybuilding was very popular from th e 80s to the mid 90s ................so the field to select the best from was bigger
but i am also of the mind that the drugs were better back then...............every thing was pharma grade, all the growth was pharma grade..........and i think i shows in the physiques
now-a-days.....many guys are using bathtub brew and cheap chinese GH, even many of the top guys
some would argue, but i feel its noticable
As per usual you are spot on
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Insulin happened.
Insulin is not necessaly to win the contest.
It just make the blocky look.
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Insulin is not necessaly to win the contest.
It just make the blocky look.
I don't understand why Milos looked so fucking good on it and it fucked up others ?
Milos's abs were kinda thick tho, maybe he just had luck with his natural taper
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I really don't think training's changed since 95 or whatever, on average. The ones pushing real hard on their working sets, being conscious of their poundages and reps trained somewhat lower volume, such as Dorian. You can't do sets where it's like your life depended on it for high volume. The ones doing more pumping type training without caring about poundage or progression did somewhat higher volume, and again the "intensity" dictates where you feel you've done "enough". Many guys don't really have a extremely rigid routine either, they go until they feel satisfied aka instinctive training. A few are more anal and count sets and reps and don't deviate from the plan. I'm sure you could find lazy trainers back then too just like you can find hard trainers today. I don't think training volume has dropped since mid 90s.
I mean Mentzer supposedly influenced Dorian and then other pros as well and this was like 1990 when Mentzer got back into the sport. Probably pretty much the same on average, though today no one is really advocating the 'one set' ideology.
I think the talent pool is poorer today, apart from bad drugs.
I don't understand why Milos looked so fucking good on it and it fucked up others ?
Milos's abs were kinda thick tho, maybe he just had luck with his natural taper
Probably because he still wasn't trying to be "300lbs" at whatever cost. Always staying lean and not trying to push the weight up. Maybe I'm wrong on Milos' thought process but I doubt he thought to himself, "this off-season I'm going to sit at 300lbs and then diet down".
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I think the talent pool is poorer today, apart from bad drugs.
Probably because he still wasn't trying to be "300lbs" at whatever cost. Always staying lean and not trying to push the weight up. Maybe I'm wrong on Milos' thought process but I doubt he thought to himself, "this off-season I'm going to sit at 300lbs and then diet down".
Hard to say !
if he didn't have that mentality at all, he wouldn't have tried to compete at 260 lbs (his claim) at the 1999 British Grand-Prix, with biceps full of oil.
seems like he tried to get big, his genetics just would not allow him to.
I can relate to that, I can say for sure I did a lot more sauce then some friends of mine who are much bigger and don't have any problem getting "bigger"
they are not necessarly heavier, they just seem a LOT bigger
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if he didn't have that mentality at all, he wouldn't have tried to compete at 260 lbs (his claim) at the 1999 British Grand-Prix, with biceps full of oil.
How much did he end up weighing at that show? Do you know what his heaviest off-season weight was?
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Hard to say !
if he didn't have that mentality at all, he wouldn't have tried to compete at 260 lbs (his claim) at the 1999 British Grand-Prix, with biceps full of oil.
seems like he tried to get big, his genetics just would not allow him to.
I can relate to that, I can say for sure I did a lot more sauce then some friends of mine who are much bigger and don't have any problem getting "bigger"
they are not necessarly heavier, they just seem a LOT bigger
Milos never really got fat in the offseason that helped him keep his gut down i think.
He stayed in contest shape all year long.
Contrary to guys now who look like fat pigs 6 months out of the year.
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I can give my opinion....It was tougher to get a pro card back then, and the physiques were better....a few reasons....
1. There was no SHW class, so all the talent was in the HW, which means there were a lot of guys that were damn good...many, like Fletcher, Dente, Mendenhall, Leidelmeyer, and (almost) myself....would never make it to the pros because of the depth of the lineups...
2. Physiques were built more in the gym, and for longer timeframe...I was taught from day one by the guys at the gym, that a good base was something you needed to build...naturally.
3. I think guys get on the sauce way to early and never really build that base, which shows in their physiques...as well as guys jumping into the National level shows WAY too early in their "careers"...back in the day, you didnt move up the ranks until you were ready to compete, not just because you were qualified...
I couldn't agree more . a lot of these guys seem to wanna run before they can walk.
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Not good enough to be a pro :o
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How much did he end up weighing at that show? Do you know what his heaviest off-season weight was?
he claimed he was 255-260 at that show (if I remember well)
but he didn't diet down for that, he dieted "up", with a lot of insulin from what he said