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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: George Whorewell on November 02, 2010, 08:09:52 PM
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In virtually every other part of the country, the Dems took a beating. It's no surprise that the two most corrupt, bankrupt and poorly run states in America are going to stay the course into financial oblivion.
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Cuomo's speach tonight made me want to puke.
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I wonder if there is any way we could force these states out of the union.
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I wonder if there is any way we could force these states out of the union.
And lose 75% of the country's business and revenue? LOL That would be priceless.
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I wonder if there is any way we could force these states out of the union.
We need to be allowed to just declare bankruptcy and get it over with.
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We need to be allowed to just declare bankruptcy and get it over with.
Dont worry 33, I assume you will be long gone from New York when that happens.
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And lose 75% of the country's business and revenue? LOL That would be priceless.
The damage CA & NY are causing the nation is far greater than anything they are producing. Sorry, this trade-off isn't worth it.
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In virtually every other part of the country, the Dems took a beating. It's no surprise that the two most corrupt, bankrupt and poorly run states in America are going to stay the course into financial oblivion.
Maybe one day they'll wake up, if not they're going to implode.
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The damage CA & NY are causing the nation is far greater than anything they are producing. Sorry, this trade-off isn't worth it.
Then go for it. Texas has threatened to "Party Like It's 1860" and succeed from the union. I'm sure you can get the rest of the deep south and a few of your precious "red states" to go along with succession. We'll take Wall Street, the Media Capital of the World, The Entertainment Business, and most of the people.
Good Luck! Don't let the doorknob hit you on the ass on the way out! >:(
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Then go for it. Texas has threatened to "Party Like It's 1860" and succeed from the union. I'm sure you can get the rest of the deep south and a few of your precious "red states" to go along with succession. We'll take Wall Street, the Media Capital of the World, The Entertainment Business, and most of the people.
Good Luck! Don't let the doorknob hit you on the ass on the way out! >:(
Never said I wanted either CA or NY out of the union, never even hinted at it. I see the value of these two states, massive value. I want them to succeed, the country needs them to succeed.
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Never said I wanted either CA or NY out of the union, never even hinted at it. I see the value of these two states, massive value. I want them to succeed, the country needs them to succeed.
Good job, my young pupil. Explain that to the rest of your brethren in this thread, and you might be ready for lesson TWO I have for you. ;)
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So Benny, when California comes to the federal government in the next two years to ask for a bailout, do you think that sound financial states like Texas should be forced to give that bailout?
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So Benny, when California comes to the federal government in the next two years to ask for a bailout, do you think that sound financial states like Texas should be forced to give that bailout?
Yes. We are one nation. If you don't like it, Perry should follow through with his threat and succeed.
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Yes. We are one nation. If you don't like it, Perry should follow through with his threat and succeed.
WHAT?????? You cannot be serious. California has thier own taxes. They have thier own money to spend. They made the decision to tax businesses away from thier state. Why should sound financial states like Texas who made good decisions and who make conscious decisions to be business friendly be expected to bail out failed states like California?
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LOL @ Carl paladino giving his concession speech with a red nerf bat. "You haven't heard the last of Carl paladino"...
My guess is that the repub party avoids this anger mgmt, polarizing headache like the plague now. Cuomo should have been wrecked last night. instead, he got the job :(
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WHAT?????? You cannot be serious. California has thier own taxes. They have thier own money to spend. They made the decision to tax businesses away from thier state. Why should sound financial states like Texas who made good decisions and who make conscious decisions to be business friendly be expected to bail out failed states like California?
They shouldn't and they're not. That's the beauty of the GOP's win. Let California walk the plank. Let's see if they're stupid enough to keep spending like no tomorrow.
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If CA and NY has "75%" of USA's business and revenue then they don't need any bailout. They need to get their act together.
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Benny, I think the term you are stuggling with is seceding vice succeeding/succeed, which you have used numerous times in this thread....you're welcome.
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Yes. We are one nation. If you don't like it, Perry should follow through with his threat and succeed.
::) ::)
Yeah, lets reward all the reckeless public employee unions and high taxes that are driving productive people from these states.
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Yes. We are one nation. If you don't like it, Perry should follow through with his threat and succeed.
Yes we are one nation and tewll that little jerkoff Obama republicans are not the enemy and he is supposed to be EVERYONES president not just ignorant idiots who refuse to work.
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::) ::)
Yeah, lets reward all the reckeless public employee unions and high taxes that are driving productive people from these states.
Nope!! Let them drown in their own red ink. Kiss California goodbye (at least, the Giants won the World Series).
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Nope!! Let them drown in their own red ink. Kiss California goodbye (at least, the Giants won the World Series).
There is a thing called bankruptcy for a reason.
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latimes.com/news/local/la-me-prisons-20110302,0,5376090.story
latimes.com
Despite medical parole law, hospitalized prisoners are costing California taxpayers millions
With California mired in a budget crisis, guarding incapacitated prisoners at outside hospitals continues to cost taxpayers millions as the state figures out how to implement a new medical parole law.
By Jack Dolan, Los Angeles Times
March 2, 2011
Reporting from Vacaville, Calif.
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A degenerative nerve disease has left 57-year-old California inmate Edward Ortiz semi-paralyzed in a private Bay Area hospital for the last year. The breathing tube in his throat tethers him to a ventilator at one end of the bed; steel bracelets shackle his ankles to safety rails at the other.
Still, California taxpayers are shelling out roughly $800,000 a year to prevent his escape. The guards watching Ortiz one day last week said department policy requires one corrections officer at the foot of his bed around the clock and another guard at the door. A sergeant also has to be there, to supervise.
"Some of this is ridiculous, but you can't argue with policy," said Corrections Officer Allan Roper as he stared down at the unconscious Ortiz, a convicted child molester who requires medical attention beyond the prison system's capabilities.
Authorities have identified 25 "permanently medically incapacitated" inmates being treated at outside hospitals who are candidates for parole because they no longer pose a threat to the public. Californians will pay more than $50 million to treat them this year, between $19 million and $21 million of that for guards' salaries, benefits and overtime, according to data from the federal receiver who oversees California prison healthcare.
The final amount will depend on how many of the guards are paid overtime.
In September, then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a "medical parole" law designed to spare taxpayers the cost of guarding inmates like Ortiz and dozens of others who officials say are incapacitated. Some are in comas, others paraplegic.
If the prisoners were released from custody, the medical costs would shift to their families if they could afford to pay, or to other government programs if they could not. The expense of guarding the patients would be eliminated.
But the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation has yet to schedule a parole hearing for even one such inmate.
"It's maddening," said State Sen. Mark Leno (D- San Francisco), who sponsored the bill that Schwarzenegger signed. "We have school districts on the verge of closing" because of the state's budget crisis. "We don't have millions of dollars to squander on this kind of nonsense."
Terri McDonald, chief deputy secretary of adult operations for California prisons, said her department had been working with the receiver, appointed in 2005 after a federal court found that healthcare in the state's prisons was tantamount to "cruel and unusual" punishment, to draft regulations to implement the new law.
Despite those efforts, McDonald would not predict when the first sick inmate might get a parole hearing. "These are complex public-safety regulations," she said.
Nancy Kincaid, spokeswoman for receiver J. Clark Kelso, said Kelso is "anxious to have these regulations in place so we can maximize savings."
Leno said he introduced the medical parole law to address concerns about the existing statute that allows "compassionate release" of prisoners who are permanently incapacitated or terminally ill with less than six months' life expectancy.
Compassionate release has the same legal effect as completion of a prison sentence, meaning the former inmate can't be sent back to prison unless he is convicted of another crime.
Opponents of that system pointed to the notorious case of the Lockerbie bomber, the Libyan terrorist who blew up a Pan Am flight in 1988, killing 270, but was released from a Scottish prison in 2009 when doctors thought prostate cancer would kill him in less than three months. He was still alive a few days ago, according to published reports.
An inmate freed on medical parole in California, however, would be sent back to prison if his physical condition improved enough that he could pose a reasonable threat to public safety.
Partly because of the concern that an inmate could cheat justice by outliving a prison doctor's prognosis, the odds have not favored inmates petitioning for compassionate release.
Seventy percent of the 1,157 prisoners determined by doctors to qualify between 1991 and 2010 were rejected for compassionate release, often because top prison administrators or sentencing judges believed they could still pose a threat.
Although some able-bodied inmates have tried to escape while on outside medical appointments, corrections department officials could not cite any who had succeeded. Reducing the guard on such patients, even the most incapacitated, invites risk, said prison spokesman Oscar Hidalgo.
"And we are not in the business of taking risks with public safety," Hidalgo said.
Thousands of inmates are treated at outside hospitals during the course of a year. Although a broken arm can usually be set and splinted at an internal facility, surgery is often done at outside hospitals, said Joseph Bick, chief medical officer of the state's largest prison hospital, in Vacaville.
Last week, at least 12 guards were on hand to oversee five patients at the Bay Area hospital where Ortiz resides. Administrators there allowed reporters to visit on the condition that the institution's name not be published because of security concerns.
The guard detail consisted of two officers assigned to each inmate, a supervisor and "a security escort in case they have to go to the shower," said Lt. Rudy Luna, administrative assistant to the warden at nearby San Quentin. The extra guards also escort patients for X-rays and other medical procedures.
McDonald said the guards' interpretation of department policy was "inaccurate" — that the number of corrections officers required to watch inmates when sent outside of prison walls is flexible, depending "on the number of offenders, the clustering and location of those offenders to each other and the security risk of those offenders."
The written policy is in a section of the department's operating manual that is not available to the public because of "very legitimate security reasons," McDonald said.
Inmates are sent to outside hospitals when their medical condition requires specialized treatment. One prisoner last week was receiving physical therapy after a knee replacement. Others, like Ortiz, were in advanced stages of debilitating, hard-to-treat diseases.
Corrections officers vie for coveted positions on medical guard teams, with the choice assignments usually going to those with the most seniority. Several guards at the Bay Area hospital said they had between 20 and 30 years of experience in the department.
Roper, who was assigned to watch Ortiz, said he'd spent the first 24 of his 27 years as a corrections officer at San Quentin, which houses California's death row, and prefers the relative calm of the hospital.
"In San Quentin when things go bad, they go real bad," Roper said, gesturing to the prone Ortiz, who can't speak even when he's awake because of the breathing tube. "Here, there's not the verbal abuse that you get at San Quentin."
jack.dolan@latimes.com
Copyright © 2011, Los Angeles Times
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Then go for it. Texas has threatened to "Party Like It's 1860" and succeed from the union. I'm sure you can get the rest of the deep south and a few of your precious "red states" to go along with succession. We'll take Wall Street, the Media Capital of the World, The Entertainment Business, and most of the people.
Good Luck! Don't let the doorknob hit you on the ass on the way out! >:(
The northeastern region of the country threatened to secede (not "succeed") from the nation after Bush got re-elected in 2004. And, they'll likely do so again, if Obama loses in 2012.
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Betty Blanco seceded in learning how to read.
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Betty Blanco seceded in learning how to read.
"seceded"?
He separated in learning how to read?
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"seceded"?
He separated in learning how to read?
Play on words from one of Benny's posts.
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Play on words from one of Benny's posts.
Ah... Gotcha. Thanks dude.
Sorry I missed that George.
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The northeastern region of the country threatened to secede (not "succeed") from the nation after Bush got re-elected in 2004. And, they'll likely do so again, if Obama loses in 2012.
Thanks for the grammatical correction, McMoron/Tom! :D
Nonetheless, no one is "seceding" from the U.S., regardless of you, PEA BRAIN, or dipshit governor Perry's pronouncements.
What's PB doing bumping old ass threads again anyway? The pathetic loser couldn't find any new internet porn to jerk off to between his 100+ posts per day here?
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Ah... Gotcha. Thanks dude.
Sorry I missed that George.
It's ok. Just don't let it happen again. ;D
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Ah... Gotcha. Thanks dude.
Sorry I missed that George.
Some of my bitter, racist, and butthurt e-stalkers have a lot of free time on their hands to "catch" these things, tu. ;D
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Bumping your classics and greatest hits kneepadding obama makes for good laughs and contrast with the horrible job he is doing now.
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Thanks for the grammatical correction, McMoron/Tom! :D
Nonetheless, no one is "seceding" from the U.S., regardless of you, PEA BRAIN, or dipshit governor Perry's pronouncements.
Indeed, no one is seceding, regardless of the whiny, crybaby liberals' pronouncements after they get beat in an election.
What's PB doing bumping old ass threads again anyway? The pathetic loser couldn't find any new internet porn to jerk off to between his 100+ posts per day here?
You mean, other than slapping you in the face with your own drivel, which has been torn to pieces?
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Betty Blanco seceded in learning how to read.
lol
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So much promise, so little performance.
Benny, just admit you were duped like the other 52.3 percent and get over it.
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In virtually every other part of the country, the Dems took a beating. It's no surprise that the two most corrupt, bankrupt and poorly run states in America are going to stay the course into financial oblivion.
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Your point being what? That the worst run states in the union want to fleece the American tax payer and that because evil, greedy corporations in the private sector turn a profit the public sector should be able to do the same at the country's expense?
Or did you post that clip as an admission that Carlin was referring to you when he said that there are those in this country that are incapable of critical thinking?
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Indeed, no one is seceding, regardless of the whiny, crybaby liberals' pronouncements after they get beat in an election.
The only people who HAVE seceded in the past, and have been talking that shit again recently, are those cracker politicians in the south. The one's YOU support, Sambo.
You mean, other than slapping you in the face with your own drivel, which has been torn to pieces?
C'mon Toby, I know you've been whipped into submission, but you cannot be serious. :-\ The only thing "torn" is your rectum, which has been left torn and bleeding by your bending, bowing and scraping while those crackers you love fuck you in the ass.
"Yessuh, Mr. Bossman! I sho' do like the way you fuck me. I'd do anything to please you, suh. Can I get you somethin cool to drink? Maybe wipe yo' ass after you finish taking a shit? Yes suh Boss, I'm yo' house n!gg3r...anything you want, jus' call me, suh!" LOL ~McMoron
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Someone please save this post for history.
Meltdown x 50.
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So much promise, so little performance.
Benny, just admit you were duped like the other 52.3 percent and get over it.
;D
(http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/507/crying_baby.jpg)
Two and a half years nonstop by PEA BRAIN! I didn't know a grown man could whine and cry this long. But the fat little pathetic loser shows remarkable endurance. Continue to fight the good fight, little buddy! :-\
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Someone please save this post for history.
Meltdown x 50.
As opposed to your 50+ daily nuclear-sized meltdowns? LOL
PEA BRAIN is the last to talk...we've all thought you'd have an aneurysm by now. Ever since you lost your job cleaning the Port Authority toilets you've been on here 16 hours a day...EVERY day. ;D
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Ha ha ha. Stepinfetch It is melting down.
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The only people who HAVE seceded in the past, and have been talking that shit again recently, are those cracker politicians in the south. The one's YOU support, Sambo.
C'mon Toby, I know you've been whipped into submission, but you cannot be serious. :-\ The only thing "torn" is your rectum, which has been left torn and bleeding by your bending, bowing and scraping while those crackers you love fuck you in the ass.
"Yessuh, Mr. Bossman! I sho' do like the way you fuck me. I'd do anything to please you, suh. Can I get you somethin cool to drink? Maybe wipe yo' ass after you finish taking a shit? Yes suh Boss, I'm yo' house n!gg3r...anything you want, jus' call me, suh!" LOL ~McMoron
This comes from Benny, CEO of Team Kneepadder, who's had Obama's schlong in his mouth so long, he thinks sperm is one of the four basic food groups.
But, keep it up, Benny. You're making Monica Lewinsky look like Mother Theresa.