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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: Fury on November 08, 2010, 09:22:03 AM
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So bad they're actually hyping up the possibility of Tim Sylvia returning to its ranks. LOL!
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Yep, the winner of the fight between Timmy and "pride legend" ::) Pedro Rizzo is gettin back in supposedly, that says alot.
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Well if Fedor wasn't scared shitless of coming to the UFC and getting pummelled, the UFC wouldn't have to go out and look for cans with inflated records.
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True dat. He could just look for can's he already demolished that are currently fighting in the UFC HW divison.
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Well if Fedor wasn't scared shitless of coming to the UFC and getting pummelled, the UFC wouldn't have to go out and look for cans with inflated records.
This doesn't even make sense. Why would Fedor come to the UFC to fight cans when Strikeforce has the best HW division in MMA?
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I feel like this is a bad time for the HW division in general, I don't think any one company has that much better of a roster in that department than any other.
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This doesn't even make sense. Why would Fedor come to the UFC to fight cans when Strikeforce has the best HW division in MMA?
I know, right?! Hershal Walker is a stud! ::)
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The problem with the UFC heavyweight division is that, with the exception of Nogueira, it has no seasoned vets. All the UFC heavyweights are wet behind their ears and have no credibility because they have faced so little worthy opponents. The current UFC heavyweight title owner has eight professional fights. That doesen't give the title much value. As I see it, heavyweight title competitors should have 25 professional fights under their belt for the title match to have real value ok. If the guy has truly immense talent and gets to challenge the champion after a few fights, then the champion he is facing should have 25+ fights. If the two guys both have 12 fights between them, how do you know that they are really good and how is the guy who wins a worthy heavyweight king for beating a guy who also has only six fights?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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The problem with the UFC heavyweight division is that, with the exception of Nogueira, it has no seasoned vets. All the UFC heavyweights are wet behind their ears and have no credibility because they have faced so little worthy opponents. The current UFC heavyweight title owner has eight professional fights. That doesen't give the title much value. As I see it, heavyweight title competitors should have 25 professional fights under their belt for the title match to have real value ok. If the guy has truly immense talent and gets to challenge the champion after a few fights, then the champion he is facing should have 25+ fights. If the two guys both have 12 fights between them, how do you know that they are really good and how is the guy who wins a worthy heavyweight king for beating a guy who also has only six fights?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I wouldn't wipe my ass with this garbage you're trying to pass off as intelligence kid...
you've pretty much cornered the market on stupid with this one.. ;D
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I wouldn't wipe my ass with this garbage you're trying to pass off as intelligence kid...
you've pretty much cornered the market on stupid with this one.. ;D
And your opinion matter because?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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And your opinion matter because?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
He's Geo, bitch!
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He's Geo, bitch!
Gota be honest. Since I registered here in 2004 I never saw a post from him. These are the first posts I am reading from this dude.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Gota be honest. Since I registered here in 2004 I never saw a post from him. These are the first posts I am reading from this dude.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Pull your head out of your ass.
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Pull your head out of your ass.
Why are you defending him? Are you his bottom bitch or some shit like that?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Why are you defending him? Are you his bottom bitch or some shit like that?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Yeah, thats it stud........ ::)
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So bad they're actually hyping up the possibility of Tim Sylvia returning to its ranks. LOL!
That's actually a rumor. Dana White made a statement that neither one of those guys will be back in the UFC. Nice try.
BTW, the consensus rankings show that the best heavyweights are in fact in the UFC. And, I'm sure you know this, but if the UFC really wanted any of the heavyweights that Stikeforce has, they could get them, either by outbidding StrikeForce, or by doing what they did to Pride, just buy the whole fucking thing.
LOL...keep trying
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Gota be honest. Since I registered here in 2004 I never saw a post from him. These are the first posts I am reading from this dude.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
LMAO!
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That's actually a rumor. Dana White made a statement that neither one of those guys will be back in the UFC. Nice try.
BTW, the consensus rankings show that the best heavyweights are in fact in the UFC. And, I'm sure you know this, but if the UFC really wanted any of the heavyweights that Stikeforce has, they could get them, either by outbidding StrikeForce, or by doing what they did to Pride, just buy the whole fucking thing.
LOL...keep trying
This post reads like a UFC press release straight from Dana himself. Disgusting.
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This post reads like a UFC press release straight from Dana himself. Disgusting.
Then get the fuck off this board asshole! All you do is bring negativity on here, with your UFC this, or UFC that, and the gimmick bs. Annoying little bitch you are.
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oh fuck are you stupid.
LOL, I disagree with you. If you read through my posts, you'll see that I am a fairly intelligent person...who are the seasoned vets of the UFC heavyweight division besides Nogueira - defeating Couture doesen't count because he is geriatric? How is a guy the best heavyweight in the World for defeating a guy who was 4-1? Riddle me that?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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LOL, I disagree with you. If you read through my posts, you'll see that I am a fairly intelligent person...who are the seasoned vets of the UFC heavyweight division besides Nogueira - defeating Couture doesen't count because he is geriatric? How is a guy the best heavyweight in the World for defeating a guy who was 4-1? Riddle me that?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Mir is seasoned! So are Cain, Carwin and Lesnar. They've all had tough fights against other seasoned dudes. I guess this just comes down to one's opinion on what "seasoned" is.
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Mir is seasoned!
Yeah, because defeating Nog and Crocop on their geriatric years counts as true wins over true heavyweights...
So are Cain, Carwin and Lesnar.
Lesnar is seasoned with a 4-2 record? Cain is seasoned with 8 professional fights?
They've all had tough fights against other seasoned dudes. I guess this just comes down to one's opinion on what "seasoned" is.
Yeah, in my opinion defeating Crocop and Nogueira almost 10 years past their primes or a Randy Couture who is almost a quinquagenarian does not make a fighter seasoned. That is just my opinion. Seasoned would be someone like Fedor with 34 professional fights with half of them being against legitimate opponents, or Barnett who has been fighting professionally for 15 years, or Overeem who has been fighting professionally since the days of PRIDE and has been a finalist and semi-finalist in K-1 several times. That is seasoned. Having 5 professional fights winning against a 47 year-old man and a man who's reputation revolves around defeating a man 6 years past his prime and then losing twice does not make you seasoned in my eyes.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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LOL, I disagree with you. If you read through my posts, you'll see that I am a fairly intelligent person...who are the seasoned vets of the UFC heavyweight division besides Nogueira - defeating Couture doesen't count because he is geriatric? How is a guy the best heavyweight in the World for defeating a guy who was 4-1? Riddle me that?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Seriously bro? Are you fukcing with us or are you for real?
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Nog is geriatric? Dude is like 33 years old bro?
Most fighters, if not all fighters that are good enough talent wise to make it to a big named organization such as the UFC or Strikeforce or WEC are seasoned already.
To say Frank Mir ISNT seasoned is absurd. Call him a lousy fighter, etc, but to say he ISN"T seasoned shows you don't know jack about mma.
But by your logic, Nog is elderly.. i forgot. ::)
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Seriously bro? Are you fukcing with us or are you for real?
I am dead serious. The only tested heavyweights in the UFC are Nogueira, Randy and Crocop. A guy with 5 professional fights, two of which were losses, is not a seasoned vet.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I am dead serious. The only tested heavyweights in the UFC are Nogueira, Randy and Crocop. A guy with 5 professional fights, two of which were losses, is not a seasoned vet.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
This whole thing hinges on one's perspective of what "seasoned" means.
IMO there are MANY other SEASONED fighters at the HW division.
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Nog is geriatric? Dude is like 33 years old bro?
Most fighters, if not all fighters that are good enough talent wise to make it to a big named organization such as the UFC or Strikeforce or WEC are seasoned already.
To say Frank Mir ISNT seasoned is ubsurd. Call him a lousy fighter, etc, but to say he ISN"T seasoned shows you don't know jack about mma.
But by your logic, Nog is elderly.. i forgot.
The age of a fighter has nothing to do with him being in his prime or not. Nogueira is way past his prime. His fights in PRIDE against the roided freaks took out a lot of him and he is now old by MMA standards. Nogueira coaching in TUF seamed like he was retarded and weared out.
Mir is seasoned? For beating two fighters past their prime? And being in the UFC does not mean you are seasoned. Brock Lesnar came from the WWE and has 5 professional fights. Is that seasoned? Cain has less than ten professional fights defeating mostly cans and fighters past their prime.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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The age of a fighter has nothing to do with him being in his prime or not. Nogueira is way past his prime. His fights in PRIDE against the roided freaks took out a lot of him and he is now old by MMA standards. Nogueira coaching in TUF seamed like he was retarded and weared out.
Mir is seasoned? For beating two fighters past their prime? And being in the UFC does not mean you are seasoned. Brock Lesnar came from the WWE and has 5 professional fights. Is that seasoned? Cain has less than ten professional fights defeating mostly cans and fighters past their prime.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Like i said before this whole thing boils down to what is seasoned. Obviously we disagree on that.
You said Nog was geriatric, not past his prime as I recall. Geriatric means OLD my friend.
Youre a retard if you consider Mir not seasoned. Plain and simple.
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I can see your argument as to Cain and Lesnar not being seasoned.. but MIR?
COME ON DUDE!
You've gotta be pulling my leg.
Oh and Nog was 30 when they fought. 30 is geriatric?
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Like i said before this whole thing boils down to what is seasoned. Obviously we disagree on that.
You said Nog was geriatric, not past his prime as I recall. Geriatric means OLD my friend.
Youre a retard if you consider Mir not seasoned. Plain and simple.
Seasoned is a little strong of a word for Mir, I would say he's better than average and lucky combined. He's limited as far as what kind of opponent he's capable of beating. If he fights a wrestler with sub knowledge he's gonna lose that one 9/10 times, plus his cardio and chin are still questionable. He looks good in peoples eyes because he fights the type of opponents that make him look good, or he fights opponents that were once good but have seen better days. I have always thought he was overrated.
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Seasoned is a little strong of a word for Mir, I would say he's better than average and lucky combined. He's limited as far as what kind of opponent he's capable of beating. If he fights a wrestler with sub knowledge he's gonna lose that one 9/10 times, plus his cardio and chin are still questionable. He looks good in peoples eyes because he fights the type of opponents that make him look good, or he fights opponents that were once good but have seen better days. I have always thought he was overrated.
Your just defining his skill set Chute, and how he WOULD perform against certain other skill sets.
Being seasoned is based on number of fights, titles held etc, not what opponents you'd be good facing or vice versa. At least in my opinion.
You both are WAY off on this. Mir is a seasoned fighter. AGAIN, THIS BOILS DOWN TO ONE"S PERCEPTION OF SEASONED.
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Mir is also seasoned (in the way you think) in that he has a great ground game, his jiujitsu is top notch for a HW, and he's a decent striker.
He's been fighter professionally for over 10 years.
Alright, i've wasted enough time on this.
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I am dead serious. The only tested heavyweights in the UFC are Nogueira, Randy and Crocop. A guy with 5 professional fights, two of which were losses, is not a seasoned vet.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Wait a minute. You're changing your statement. You said that a true heavyweight champ should have at least 25 on their record. And, if you have just a handful of fights, you should not be considered a real champ.
That's a ridiculous statement. Last year, there was some guy that came out of nowhere and won a major marathon, beating all the season pros and breaking all sorts of records. It was the dude's 1st marathon, yet he had the best time...he won that race...he was the best.
It's not different in MMA. Who cares if you have 30 fights on your record. If someone beats your ass, they're better than you...end of story.
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suckmymuscle is laying out some brutal ownings in this thread.
mir is somewhat seasoned, 14-5 record. decent amount of fights over the span of a few years.
doesnt change the fact that he sucks ass
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suckmymuscle is laying out some brutal ownings in this thread.
mir is somewhat seasoned, 14-5 record. decent amount of fights over the span of a few years.
doesnt change the fact that he sucks ass
LOL. You just contradicted his argument yet he's pwning people? fukcing dumbass ::)
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suckmymuscle embarrassing Yemeni in this thread. 8)
Mindspin's probably on the bat phone with Dana trying to formulate a response to the posts in this thread.
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If the UFC wants to give it's heavyweight division credibility, it needs to bring either Overeem, Fedor or Barnett to it's division. It is the only way. Having a bunch of noobs with a few fights decide who is the "best in the World" by fighting each other is ridiculous. To be the best, you need to beat the best, and guys who have a total of 5 fights with 3 wins over other noobs with a few fights or geriatric ex fighters do not count as worthy rivals that, if you defeat, you can claim to be the best. Again, it is ridiculous. Nogueira or Randy could give the UFC heavyweight the credibility it needs, but the problem is that Couture is pushing 50 and Nogueira is clearly brain damaged and with arthrites evident by his bad knees and back. He is clearly past his prime and the fact that he's 33 doesen't mean anything. Beating these two seasoned vets mean little. To give the UFC heavyweight title the severitas it needs, you need to bring a seasoned vet who is still more or less in his prime to the UFC heavyweight division and see if the UFC boys can compete with the guy. If he wins, the title goes to a worthy and proven heavyweight; if he loses, the UFC boy who beat him can claim to be the best in the World becuase he beat a veteran who is still at the peak of the game.
Fedor may not be the best heavyweight in the World anymore - debatable -, but he sure has something that the UFC sorely needs: resumee. He is like Randy and Nog, except that he hasn't become a tomato can do to extremely old age or brain and physical damage. The same is said about Barnett and Overeem. These three are the only heavyweights in the World that fulfill the conditions of being seasoned and still in their primes, although Barnett is pushing it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Wait a minute. You're changing your statement. You said that a true heavyweight champ should have at least 25 on their record. And, if you have just a handful of fights, you should not be considered a real champ.
I just threw a random number. I believe that a true veteran is someone who has at least 20 fights as a professional with at least 75% winning rate against decent competition.
That's a ridiculous statement. Last year, there was some guy that came out of nowhere and won a major marathon, beating all the season pros and breaking all sorts of records. It was the dude's 1st marathon, yet he had the best time...he won that race...he was the best.
It's not different in MMA. Who cares if you have 30 fights on your record. If someone beats your ass, they're better than you...end of story.
This is a very bad analogy. In a marathon, you know who is the best by who finishes first. That is the end of the story. In MMA, the value of your win depends on who your competition is. When it comes to marathon running, you know who is the best in the World because the measure of best is decided by a single number, namely, the amount of time the runner took to complete the marathon. In MMA, who is best is decided by who you fight. Being the best in the World for defeating Brock Lesnar, a guy with a 5-2 record, is not as impressive as becoming the best in the World by defeating a guy who is 31-1. Huge difference. Unlike in running, you cannot decide who is the best by an objective measure. In MMA, the value of your win is completely and utterly relative to the men you defeat.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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If the UFC wants to give it's heavyweight division credibility, it needs to bring either Overeem, Fedor or Barnett to it's division. It is the only way. Having a bunch of noobs with a few fights decide who is the "best in the World" by fighting each other is ridiculous. To be the best, you need to beat the best, and guys who have a total of 5 fights with 3 wins over other noobs with a few fights or geriatric ex fighters do not count as worthy rivals that, if you defeat, you can claim to be the best. Again, it is ridiculous. Nogueira or Randy could give the UFC heavyweight the credibility it needs, but the problem is that Couture is pushing 50 and Nogueira is clearly brain damaged and with arthrites evident by his bad knees and back. He is clearly past his prime and the fact that he's 33 doesen't mean anything. Beating these two seasoned vets mean little. To give the UFC heavyweight title the severitas it needs, you need to bring a seasoned vet who is still more or less in his prime to the UFC heavyweight division and see if the UFC boys can compete with the guy. If he wins, the title goes to a worthy and proven heavyweight; if he loses, the UFC boy who beat him can claim to be the best in the World becuase he beat a veteran who is still at the peak of the game.
Fedor may not be the best heavyweight in the World anymore - debatable -, but he sure has something that the UFC sorely needs: resumee. He is like Randy and Nog, except that he hasn't become a tomato can do to extremely old age or brain and physical damage. The same is said about Barnett and Overeem. These three are the only heavyweights in the World that fulfill the conditions of being seasoned and still in their primes, although Barnett is pushing it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
don't you ever get tired of chasing your tail...
you don't like the UFC because only hardcore fans watched pride back in the day (we get that),but give it a rest,it's almost to the point where I'm gettin embarrassed for ya just reading your crap.
and that's not even taking into account how much time you're taking to type all your shit up..
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don't you ever get tired of chasing your tail...
you don't like the UFC because only hardcore fans watched pride back in the day (we get that),but give it a rest,it's almost to the point where I'm gettin embarrassed for ya just reading your crap.
and that's not even taking into account how much time you're taking to type all your shit up..
Geo bringing a brutally rational truth to the thread. 8)
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The HW divisions in both Strikeforce and the UFC are pretty damn weak right now. Both are very top-heavy.
Can't wait to see JDS and Cain fight and hope to see Fedor against Werdum and Overeem pretty soon.
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The HW divisions in both Strikeforce and the UFC are pretty damn weak right now. Both are very top-heavy.
Can't wait to see JDS and Cain fight and hope to see Fedor against Werdum and Overeem pretty soon.
are you nutz?,name a time and the fighters in that time when the UFC heavy weight division was more stacked than it is now...
Werdum's a UFC washout and Overeem is a roided up Lt Heavtyweight that Liddel smoked...
barnett would be mediocre in either but he can't pass a drug test these days..
the brutal truth is you Have Fedor in strike force and you have 4-5 monsters in the UFC that on most given nights can beat each other...
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are you nutz?,name a time and the fighters in that time when the UFC heavy weight division was more stacked than it is now...
Werdum's a UFC washout and Overeem is a roided up Lt Heavtyweight that Liddel smoked...
barnett would be mediocre in either but he can't pass a drug test these days..
the brutal truth is you Have Fedor in strike force and you have 4-5 monsters in the UFC that on most given nights can beat each other...
Epic UFC nug-hugging post. You have no valid points and resort to pure fanboyism. Bringing up that Liddel beat Overeem when Overeem was a rookie in his early twenties fighting at 190 lbs is just sad. Only an UFC fanboy who is desperate would even bring this up.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I think the UFC HW division is looking better right now than it has in a very long time.
That's not saying it's great.
One mistake I can point to is how certain fighters have been getting title shots without working their way up.
Hindsight is always 20/20 I guess, but allowing both Carwin and Lesnar to get shot at the title with so few fights under their belt doesn't make sense.
I get that UFC wants to cash in on Lesnar's fame.
But what you get is a champ with big chinks in his armor.
Doesn't look like that in any other weight class.
But the HW class looks like it can be pretty stacked the next few years. Look at a guy like Junior Dos Santos, not to mention current champ Cain Velasquez.
Lesnar and Carwin will have big, big, BIG difficulties with fighters like these.
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Epic UFC nug-hugging post. You have no valid points and resort to pure fanboyism. Bringing up that Liddel beat Overeem when Overeem was a rookie in his early twenties fighting at 190 lbs is just sad. Only an UFC fanboy who is desperate would even bring this up.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Bro, you've had your ass owned every which way possible. Stop with the nonsense already.
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I laugh when ppl talk of Overeem as the next coming of Fedor. Who's he fought? Rogers? lol.
He got ko'd by Liddell, Shogun.. beaten by LITTLE nog twice. Now he's on some gear and beating dudes like Rogers and James Thompson in the HW class and obviously winning.
Cain would destroy him. Carwin would KO him fast. Lesnar would crush him.
Until Overeem fights and beats someone GOOD, i'll speak otherwise on him. Werdum submitted him as well.
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Carwin would KO him fast. Lesnar would crush him.
I don't know how you can say this. Their last fights have showed MAJOR flaws in their game.
Not saying Overeem would run through them but I wouldn't bet against him.
Other than JDS and Cain, I'm really not impressed by the UFC heavyweights. The same thing can be said about Strikeforce. Hopefully there are some up and comers moving along in both orgs.
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Bro, you've had your ass owned every which way possible. Stop with the nonsense already.
This post is so wrong it can't be for real. Lol, I am getting owned in this thread? Then why several people have quoted my posts and said that I am owning you and that they agree with me?
SUCKMYMUSCLE