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Proving once more that a calorie is a calorie:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html?hpt=T2
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/story.twinkie.professor.ksu.jpg)
Twinkie diet helps nutrition professor lose 27 pounds
By Madison Park, CNN
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Nutrition professor's "convenience store diet" helped him shed 27 pounds
Haub limited himself to 1,800 calories and two-thirds come from junk food
Haub said it's too early to draw any conclusions about diet
(CNN) -- Twinkies. Nutty bars. Powdered donuts.
For 10 weeks, Mark Haub, a professor of human nutrition at Kansas State University, ate one of these sugary cakelets every three hours, instead of meals. To add variety in his steady stream of Hostess and Little Debbie snacks, Haub munched on Doritos chips, sugary cereals and Oreos, too.
His premise: That in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food.
The premise held up: On his "convenience store diet," he shed 27 pounds in two months.
For a class project, Haub limited himself to less than 1,800 calories a day. A man of Haub's pre-dieting size usually consumes about 2,600 calories daily.So he followed a basic principle of weight loss: He consumed significantly fewer calories than he burned.
His body mass index went from 28.8, considered overweight, to 24.9, which is normal. He now weighs 174 pounds.
But you might expect other indicators of health would have suffered. Not so.
Haub's "bad" cholesterol, or LDL, dropped 20 percent and his "good" cholesterol, or HDL, increased by 20 percent. He reduced the level of triglycerides, which are a form of fat, by 39 percent.
"That's where the head scratching comes," Haub said. "What does that mean? Does that mean I'm healthier? Or does it mean how we define health from a biology standpoint, that we're missing something?"
Despite his temporary success, Haub does not recommend replicating his snack-centric diet.
"I'm not geared to say this is a good thing to do," he said. "I'm stuck in the middle. I guess that's the frustrating part. I can't give a concrete answer. There's not enough information to do that."
Two-thirds of his total intake came from junk food. He also took a multivitamin pill and drank a protein shake daily. And he ate vegetables, typically a can of green beans or three to four celery stalks.
Families who live in food deserts have limited access to fresh fruits and vegetables, so they often rely on the kind of food Haub was eating.
"These foods are consumed by lots of people," he said. "It may be an issue of portion size and moderation rather than total removal. I just think it's unrealistic to expect people to totally drop these foods for vegetables and fruits. It may be healthy, but not realistic."
Haub's body fat dropped from 33.4 to 24.9 percent. This posed the question: What matters more for weight loss, the quantity or quality of calories?
His success is probably a result of caloric reduction, said Dawn Jackson Blatner, a dietitian based in Atlanta, Georgia.
"It's a great reminder for weight loss that calories count," she said. "Is that the bottom line to being healthy? That's another story."
Blatner, a spokeswoman for the American Dietetic Association, said she's not surprised to hear Haub's health markers improved even when he loaded up on processed snack cakes.
Being overweight is the central problem that leads to complications like high blood pressure, diabetes and high cholesterol, she said.
How well are you managing your diabetes?
"When you lose weight, regardless of how you're doing it -- even if it's with packaged foods, generally you will see these markers improve when weight loss has improved," she said.
Before jumping on the Ding Dong bandwagon, Blatner warned of health concerns.
"There are things we can't measure," said Blatner, questioning how the lack of fruits and vegetables could affect long-term health. "How much does that affect the risk for cancer? We can't measure how diet changes affect our health."
On August 25, Haub, 41, started his cake diet focusing on portion control.
"I'm eating to the point of need and pushing the plate or wrapper away," he said.
He intended the trial to last a month as a teaching tool for his class. As he lost weight, Haub continued the diet until he reached a normal body mass index.
Before his Twinkie diet, he tried to eat a healthy diet that included whole grains, dietary fiber, berries and bananas, vegetables and occasional treats like pizza.
"There seems to be a disconnect between eating healthy and being healthy," Haub said. "It may not be the same. I was eating healthier, but I wasn't healthy. I was eating too much."
He maintained the same level of moderate physical activity as before going on the diet. (Haub does not have any ties to the snack cake companies.)
To avoid setting a bad example for his kids, Haub ate vegetables in front of his family. Away from the dinner table, he usually unwrapped his meals.
Study: U.S. obesity rate will hit 42 percent
Haub monitored his body composition, blood pressure, cholesterol and glucose, and updated his progress on his Facebook page, Professor Haub's diet experiment.
To curb calories, he avoided meat, whole grains and fruits. Once he started adding meat into the diet four weeks ago, his cholesterol level increased.
Haub plans to add about 300 calories to his daily intake now that he's done with the diet. But he's not ditching snack cakes altogether. Despite his weight loss, Haub feels ambivalence.
"I wish I could say the outcomes are unhealthy. I wish I could say it's healthy. I'm not confident enough in doing that. That frustrates a lot of people. One side says it's irresponsible. It is unhealthy, but the data doesn't say that."
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lmao cue various getbig nutrition experts to meltdown in 3...2....1
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I don't think most of us on here disagree with this article. What we don't believe is that this type of diet would work to get some in "contest condition".
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I guess a calorie really is a calorie ::) ::)
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I don't think most of us on here disagree with this article. What we don't believe is that this type of diet would work to get some in "contest condition".
Who the fuck ever wants to get in to "contest condition" besides some obscure bodybuilders?? Although this method would probably not get you in stage ready shape but it'll definitely take you very far.
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;D
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obviously one would lose weight if there is calorie restriction. This is a no brainer, and, I'm actually surprised that some moron professor would waste time trying to "figure" this out. ::)
However, pertinent to this board is this: there is no evidence that any MUSCLE mass would be maintained.
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Who the fuck ever wants to get in to "contest condition" besides some obscure bodybuilders?? Although this method would probably not get you in stage ready shape but it'll definitely take you very far.
It'll take you far in dropping the lbs - what 800 calorie deficit wouldn't? But sweet jeebus, you ain't gonna be doing any real lifting, and you'll be skinny fat, fer sure.
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Proving once more that a calorie is a calorie:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html?hpt=T2
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/story.twinkie.professor.ksu.jpg)
Twinkie diet helps nutrition professor lose 27 pounds
By Madison Park, CNN
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Nutrition professor's "convenience store diet" helped him shed 27 pounds
Haub limited himself to 1,800 calories and two-thirds come from junk food
Haub said it's too early to draw any conclusions about diet
(CNN) -- Twinkies. Nutty bars. Powdered donuts.
For 10 weeks, Mark Haub, a professor of human nutrition at Kansas State University, ate one of these sugary cakelets every three hours, instead of meals. To add variety in his steady stream of Hostess and Little Debbie snacks, Haub munched on Doritos chips, sugary cereals and Oreos, too.
His premise: That in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food.
The premise held up: On his "convenience store diet," he shed 27 pounds in two months.
For a class project, Haub limited himself to less than 1,800 calories a day. A man of Haub's pre-dieting size usually consumes about 2,600 calories daily.So he followed a basic principle of weight loss: He consumed significantly fewer calories than he burned.
His body mass index went from 28.8, considered overweight, to 24.9, which is normal. He now weighs 174 pounds.
But you might expect other indicators of health would have suffered. Not so.
Haub's "bad" cholesterol, or LDL, dropped 20 percent and his "good" cholesterol, or HDL, increased by 20 percent. He reduced the level of triglycerides, which are a form of fat, by 39 percent.
"That's where the head scratching comes," Haub said. "What does that mean? Does that mean I'm healthier? Or does it mean how we define health from a biology standpoint, that we're missing something?"
Despite his temporary success, Haub does not recommend replicating his snack-centric diet.
"I'm not geared to say this is a good thing to do," he said. "I'm stuck in the middle. I guess that's the frustrating part. I can't give a concrete answer. There's not enough information to do that."
Two-thirds of his total intake came from junk food. He also took a multivitamin pill and drank a protein shake daily. And he ate vegetables, typically a can of green beans or three to four celery stalks.
Families who live in food deserts have limited access to fresh fruits and vegetables, so they often rely on the kind of food Haub was eating.
"These foods are consumed by lots of people," he said. "It may be an issue of portion size and moderation rather than total removal. I just think it's unrealistic to expect people to totally drop these foods for vegetables and fruits. It may be healthy, but not realistic."
Haub's body fat dropped from 33.4 to 24.9 percent. This posed the question: What matters more for weight loss, the quantity or quality of calories?
His success is probably a result of caloric reduction, said Dawn Jackson Blatner, a dietitian based in Atlanta, Georgia.
"It's a great reminder for weight loss that calories count," she said. "Is that the bottom line to being healthy? That's another story."
Blatner, a spokeswoman for the American Dietetic Association, said she's not surprised to hear Haub's health markers improved even when he loaded up on processed snack cakes.
Being overweight is the central problem that leads to complications like high blood pressure, diabetes and high cholesterol, she said.
How well are you managing your diabetes?
"When you lose weight, regardless of how you're doing it -- even if it's with packaged foods, generally you will see these markers improve when weight loss has improved," she said.
Before jumping on the Ding Dong bandwagon, Blatner warned of health concerns.
"There are things we can't measure," said Blatner, questioning how the lack of fruits and vegetables could affect long-term health. "How much does that affect the risk for cancer? We can't measure how diet changes affect our health."
On August 25, Haub, 41, started his cake diet focusing on portion control.
"I'm eating to the point of need and pushing the plate or wrapper away," he said.
He intended the trial to last a month as a teaching tool for his class. As he lost weight, Haub continued the diet until he reached a normal body mass index.
Before his Twinkie diet, he tried to eat a healthy diet that included whole grains, dietary fiber, berries and bananas, vegetables and occasional treats like pizza.
"There seems to be a disconnect between eating healthy and being healthy," Haub said. "It may not be the same. I was eating healthier, but I wasn't healthy. I was eating too much."
He maintained the same level of moderate physical activity as before going on the diet. (Haub does not have any ties to the snack cake companies.)
To avoid setting a bad example for his kids, Haub ate vegetables in front of his family. Away from the dinner table, he usually unwrapped his meals.
Study: U.S. obesity rate will hit 42 percent
Haub monitored his body composition, blood pressure, cholesterol and glucose, and updated his progress on his Facebook page, Professor Haub's diet experiment.
To curb calories, he avoided meat, whole grains and fruits. Once he started adding meat into the diet four weeks ago, his cholesterol level increased.
Haub plans to add about 300 calories to his daily intake now that he's done with the diet. But he's not ditching snack cakes altogether. Despite his weight loss, Haub feels ambivalence.
"I wish I could say the outcomes are unhealthy. I wish I could say it's healthy. I'm not confident enough in doing that. That frustrates a lot of people. One side says it's irresponsible. It is unhealthy, but the data doesn't say that."
Aaahahahahaha, what a moron. hahahahahahahahahaha.
Nothing like trying to prove a point and being a malnute at the same time...hahahahahahahaha! Brilliant..LOL!
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Doesn't prove anything in regard to body composition but the part about health is interesting.
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obviously one would lose weight if there is calorie restriction. This is a no brainer, and, I'm actually surprised that some moron professor would waste time trying to "figure" this out. ::)
However, pertinent to this board is this: there is no evidence that any MUSCLE mass would be maintained.
look at his change in body composition, the weight loss is almost entirely accounted for by fat loss, and most likely the remainder can be attributed to water. So yes it does prove that almost all muscle mass was maintained.
In case you missed it: "Haub's body fat dropped from 33.4 to 24.9 percent."
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"His premise: That in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food."
For all intensive purposes he would be malnutritioned, having a multi-vitamin and a some canned vegetables will not meet his nutritional needs in comparison to the shit he's eating. Just because you drop some fat (along with muscle) and weight doesn't mean you're nutritionally sound.
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There's a big difference between looking fat and looking muscle and fat. A cal is a cal works no doubt but you won't gain muscle without the ingredients for muscle
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Many of the posters on this site diet on Twinks all the time and are only here to pick up other men.
BBBBOOOMMM! ! ! !
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Calorie deficit leads to weight loss, nothing new here. What's so hard to understand?
I don't think that would be the optimal way to diet for a bodybuilder though.
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"His premise: That in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food."
For all intensive purposes he would be malnutritioned, having a multi-vitamin and a some canned vegetables will not meet his nutritional needs in comparison to the shit he's eating. Just because you drop some fat (along with muscle) and weight doesn't mean you're nutritionally sound.
Bingo and I'll add that the body does use fat as a fuel source so not losing "much" muscle mass is not surprising to me. Also I'm not surprised that his triglyceride levels went down as he was most likely eating far less sugar than before. As far as the cholesterol goes its all bullshit anyway so who cares what it read.
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Many of the posters on this site diet on Twinks all the time and are only here to pick up other men.
BBBBOOOMMM! ! ! !
Haha, i wonder if twinks are low in fat..
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Several years ago I went from 225 lbs to 200 lbs in 4 weeks on a calorie limited diet. Part of the program was from the Book Redux Revolution By Kevin Levine. The premise eating slow and not to the point of being full and not eating after 6pm and excercising for 30 minutes a day 2 hrs after your last meal. I look at pictures of me after the weight loss and I'm shocked at the amount of muscle mass I lost along with the body fat. I think calories are of course important in a diet, but I believe for anyone who is concerned about muscle mass, twinkies would not give you the weight loss result you were expecting as far was being happy with the result at the end of the day..
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Were reinventing the wheel again....There are so many ways of losing weight..
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People with lack of willpower, please stop searching for the secret methods!!!!
The low complex carb, high lean protein diet along with weight lifting and some cardio IS A TRIED AND PROVEN WAY of losing fat with maintaining muscle. Chicken and rice all the way!
You may not need 3 whey shakes a day, glutamine, bcaa and all the other things, but twinkie and pizza is not the real deal either!!
So much people would be in shape if it was that easy!!!
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To this day I have still never had a deep fried twinkie.....my life is not complete :(
.....and no I don't mean Salvatore with a tan >:(
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To this day I have still never had a deep fried twinkie.....my life is not complete :(
.....and no I don't mean Salvatore with a tan >:(
Post save! ;D
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It'll take you far in dropping the lbs - what 800 calorie deficit wouldn't? But sweet jeebus, you ain't gonna be doing any real lifting, and you'll be skinny fat, fer sure.
I mean, obviously it won't be the preferred dieting method by fitness and bodybuilding people but for your average schmuck that wants to lose weight it'd probably be about as good as anything else.
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Speaking of diet, the rumor mill has it that Flex Wheeler measured in at 0% bodyfat in the early 90's.
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Speaking of diet, the rumor mill has it that Flex Wheeler measured in at 0% bodyfat in the early 90's.
according to a trusted source Billy Smith was involved with the measurement
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His benefit is that he had no muscle to try to retain during the diet......all skinny fat.
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seems like he kept all his "muscle" too.. ::)
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Good lord people, no one here said that it was THE diet for bodybuilding and he didn't claim that either. But from a pure weight loss perspective this is a really interesting experiment. Drink your whey mixed with peanut butter and don't get offended.
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Good lord people, no one here said that it was THE diet for bodybuilding and he didn't claim that either. But from a pure weight loss perspective this is a really interesting experiment. Drink your whey mixed with peanut butter and don't get offended.
its a good diet for people who dont workout and simply want to lose "weight"...lol it reminds me all those fat ladys that abuse the fuck out of diuretics in order to "look good" for a wedding or a similar event. they still look like shit though :D
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its a good diet for people who dont workout and simply want to lose "weight"...lol it reminds me all those fat ladys that abuse the fuck out of diuretics in order to "look good" for a wedding or a similar event. they still look like shit though :D
Well the difference here is that even given the "poor" choices of nutrition, this man still knew exactly what he was doing in terms of calories and slight macro nutrient balancing which is light-years ahead of the average fat lady you are referring to. But still, I see your point ;D
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Well the difference here is that even given the "poor" choices of nutrition, this man still knew exactly what he was doing in terms of calories and slight macro nutrient balancing which is light-years ahead of the average fat lady you are referring to. But still, I see your point ;D
;D
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Proving once more that a calorie is a calorie:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html?hpt=T2
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/story.twinkie.professor.ksu.jpg)
Twinkie diet helps nutrition professor lose 27 pounds
By Madison Park, CNN
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Nutrition professor's "convenience store diet" helped him shed 27 pounds
Haub limited himself to 1,800 calories and two-thirds come from junk food
Haub said it's too early to draw any conclusions about diet
(CNN) -- Twinkies. Nutty bars. Powdered donuts.
For 10 weeks, Mark Haub, a professor of human nutrition at Kansas State University, ate one of these sugary cakelets every three hours, instead of meals. To add variety in his steady stream of Hostess and Little Debbie snacks, Haub munched on Doritos chips, sugary cereals and Oreos, too.
His premise: That in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food.
The premise held up: On his "convenience store diet," he shed 27 pounds in two months.
For a class project, Haub limited himself to less than 1,800 calories a day. A man of Haub's pre-dieting size usually consumes about 2,600 calories daily.So he followed a basic principle of weight loss: He consumed significantly fewer calories than he burned.
His body mass index went from 28.8, considered overweight, to 24.9, which is normal. He now weighs 174 pounds.
But you might expect other indicators of health would have suffered. Not so.
Haub's "bad" cholesterol, or LDL, dropped 20 percent and his "good" cholesterol, or HDL, increased by 20 percent. He reduced the level of triglycerides, which are a form of fat, by 39 percent.
"That's where the head scratching comes," Haub said. "What does that mean? Does that mean I'm healthier? Or does it mean how we define health from a biology standpoint, that we're missing something?"
Despite his temporary success, Haub does not recommend replicating his snack-centric diet.
"I'm not geared to say this is a good thing to do," he said. "I'm stuck in the middle. I guess that's the frustrating part. I can't give a concrete answer. There's not enough information to do that."
Two-thirds of his total intake came from junk food. He also took a multivitamin pill and drank a protein shake daily. And he ate vegetables, typically a can of green beans or three to four celery stalks.
Families who live in food deserts have limited access to fresh fruits and vegetables, so they often rely on the kind of food Haub was eating.
"These foods are consumed by lots of people," he said. "It may be an issue of portion size and moderation rather than total removal. I just think it's unrealistic to expect people to totally drop these foods for vegetables and fruits. It may be healthy, but not realistic."
Haub's body fat dropped from 33.4 to 24.9 percent. This posed the question: What matters more for weight loss, the quantity or quality of calories?
His success is probably a result of caloric reduction, said Dawn Jackson Blatner, a dietitian based in Atlanta, Georgia.
"It's a great reminder for weight loss that calories count," she said. "Is that the bottom line to being healthy? That's another story."
Blatner, a spokeswoman for the American Dietetic Association, said she's not surprised to hear Haub's health markers improved even when he loaded up on processed snack cakes.
Being overweight is the central problem that leads to complications like high blood pressure, diabetes and high cholesterol, she said.
How well are you managing your diabetes?
"When you lose weight, regardless of how you're doing it -- even if it's with packaged foods, generally you will see these markers improve when weight loss has improved," she said.
Before jumping on the Ding Dong bandwagon, Blatner warned of health concerns.
"There are things we can't measure," said Blatner, questioning how the lack of fruits and vegetables could affect long-term health. "How much does that affect the risk for cancer? We can't measure how diet changes affect our health."
On August 25, Haub, 41, started his cake diet focusing on portion control.
"I'm eating to the point of need and pushing the plate or wrapper away," he said.
He intended the trial to last a month as a teaching tool for his class. As he lost weight, Haub continued the diet until he reached a normal body mass index.
Before his Twinkie diet, he tried to eat a healthy diet that included whole grains, dietary fiber, berries and bananas, vegetables and occasional treats like pizza.
"There seems to be a disconnect between eating healthy and being healthy," Haub said. "It may not be the same. I was eating healthier, but I wasn't healthy. I was eating too much."
He maintained the same level of moderate physical activity as before going on the diet. (Haub does not have any ties to the snack cake companies.)
To avoid setting a bad example for his kids, Haub ate vegetables in front of his family. Away from the dinner table, he usually unwrapped his meals.
Study: U.S. obesity rate will hit 42 percent
Haub monitored his body composition, blood pressure, cholesterol and glucose, and updated his progress on his Facebook page, Professor Haub's diet experiment.
To curb calories, he avoided meat, whole grains and fruits. Once he started adding meat into the diet four weeks ago, his cholesterol level increased.
Haub plans to add about 300 calories to his daily intake now that he's done with the diet. But he's not ditching snack cakes altogether. Despite his weight loss, Haub feels ambivalence.
"I wish I could say the outcomes are unhealthy. I wish I could say it's healthy. I'm not confident enough in doing that. That frustrates a lot of people. One side says it's irresponsible. It is unhealthy, but the data doesn't say that."
Probably funded by the companies that make the garbage he ate. This will fool everyone into believing they can eat this crap 24/7. None of this can be healthy with all the preservatives and artificial ingredients that these "franken foods" come with. I want to see this study replicated at least 3 more times by independent studies and even than I wouldn't eat like that. Who would want to look like that average looking "joe smoe" type of pencil pusher.
>:(
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Dropped 27 pounds in 2 months and 24 of those were fat. Damn impressive! P.S. A calorie IS a calorie ;D ;D ;D
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interesting, it said when he added meat his cholesterol increased
more the reason to be a vegetarian
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Dropped 27 pounds in 2 months and 24 of those were fat. Damn impressive! P.S. A calorie IS a calorie ;D ;D ;D
most likely the balance was water.
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He limited his calorie intake to 1800 a day. He will lose pounds no matter what he eats.
The problem, and myself included is that one good dinner at a really nice restuarant can run 1,800+ calories in one sitting.
Did he do any exercise? Did he do more exericse than he normally does. I bet he did, since he was watching like a hawk everything.
Looks good, but come on - there has to be more to it than that.
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He limited his calorie intake to 1800 a day. He will lose pounds no matter what he eats.
The problem, and myself included is that one good dinner at a really nice restuarant can run 1,800+ calories in one sitting.
Did he do any exercise? Did he do more exericse than he normally does. I bet he did, since he was watching like a hawk everything.
Looks good, but come on - there has to be more to it than that.
it says he did about the same amount of exercise that he normally does.
you are right about restaurant food, a heavy meal with multiple courses can be very caloric.
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LOL! 1800 calories in a sitting?? :-\
Pfft. Are you kidding!? I could do that sideways, let alone at Ronaldo's All-You-Can-Eat Chinese buffet. Child's play, my dear Norge.
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Sure everyone can, but if that's a regular occurrence, then no shit - youre gonna be fat.. you cant go eat a three course meal at a restaurant everyday and expect to be ripped without doing lots of cardio.
True enough, bro. FaceBook approved? ;D
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It's not so shocking that a dude ate 1800 cals a day for a while and lost some weight.
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Fat loss aside. It's really unhealthy to eat a lot of shit like that.
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If it's so unhealthy then how's come some of his health markers improved? I've gotta admit that this occurance shocked even me, but I guess that it just points to the fact that if one loses fat then one improves their health.
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If it's so unhealthy then how's come some of his health markers improved? I've gotta admit that this occurance shocked even me, but I guess that it just points to the fact that if one loses fat then one improves their health.
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If it's so unhealthy then how's come some of his health markers improved? I've gotta admit that this occurance shocked even me, but I guess that it just points to the fact that if one loses fat then one improves their health.
actually all of the markers that they measured.
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Cut cals lose weight? ???
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An example of the Adonis principles at work! :)