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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Pete Nice on November 11, 2010, 08:54:32 AM
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I seem to be downing a ton of caffeine lately, and it just got thinking:
How much Caffeine is too much, and when does it begin to negatively effect your physique (i.e. Cortisol Levels)?
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When your body starts vibrating to the point where you'e burning 500 cals per hour sitting idle, you know you've overdone it caffeine-wise.
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I seem to be downing a ton of caffeine lately, and it just got thinking:
How much Caffeine is too much, and when does it begin to negatively effect your physique (i.e. Cortisol Levels)?
It's really bad for getting good solid recovery sleep.
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Good question!
I usually chug a large dunkin donuts coffee before a workout
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Good question!
I usually chug a large dunkin donuts coffee before a workout
Theres a guy at my gym that does that. Real close talker too, hate that shit
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I go through 2-3 pots of coffee every day.
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I seem to be downing a ton of caffeine lately, and it just got thinking:
How much Caffeine is too much, and when does it begin to negatively effect your physique (i.e. Cortisol Levels)?
Caffeine increases basal metabolic rate and lipolysis, but it actually makes you fatter because it spikes up insulin and increases your hunger when it's wearing of. Green tea is much better for fat burning since it has catechins which increase the lipolytic effect of the noradrenaline released by caffeine which at the same time minimizing the insulin spike it causes.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Caffeine increases basal metabolic rate and lipolysis, but it actually makes you fatter because it spikes up insulin and increases your hunger when it's wearing of. Green tea is much better for fat burning since it has catechins which increase the lipolytic effect of the noradrenaline released by caffeine which at the same time minimizing the insulin spike it causes.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I drink a single cup, a very large cup mind you, of coffee every morning. Throughout the day I drink 1+ litre(s) of green tea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_tea
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I go through 2-3 pots of coffee every day.
Damn
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Caffeine increases basal metabolic rate and lipolysis, but it actually makes you fatter because it spikes up insulin
I guess that's why GH makes people fatter too, as it also increases lipolysis and increases insulin levels. ::)
Funny how coffee intake reduces type II diabetes risk. I guess it makes people fatter yet less likely to have diabetes. ::)
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I seem to be downing a ton of caffeine lately, and it just got thinking:
How much Caffeine is too much, and when does it begin to negatively effect your physique (i.e. Cortisol Levels)?
Pete Nice, rip the mic and go for yours...
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I guess that's why GH makes people fatter too, as it also increases lipolysis and increases insulin levels. ::)
Funny how coffee intake reduces type II diabetes risk. I guess it makes people fatter yet less likely to have diabetes. ::)
LOL, Van B bringing the pain to our local German Shepard destroyer
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I guess that's why GH makes people fatter too, as it also increases lipolysis and increases insulin levels. ::)
Funny how coffee intake reduces type II diabetes risk. I guess it makes people fatter yet less likely to have diabetes. ::)
this guy is such a knob. i dont know how many times i have seen him give advise that was completely wrong, or show he has no idea what he's talking about. but yet he's getbig's resident genius.
i just ignore him now. it wasn't until i got into it with him on the drug board 2 years ago talking about gluconeogenesis i realised he's just a fool who wants people to think he's a lot more intelligent than he really is, and that isn't a whole lot.
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suckmymuscle is an idiot who clearly has mental problems.
he may fool the average idiot with all his bs but it's obvious to us who actually know what we are talking about that he is full of shit.
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Caffeine increases basal metabolic rate and lipolysis, but it actually makes you fatter because it spikes up insulin and increases your hunger when it's wearing of. Green tea is much better for fat burning since it has catechins which increase the lipolytic effect of the noradrenaline released by caffeine which at the same time minimizing the insulin spike it causes.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Green Tea is awesome, I usually take 2 capsules a day, and a few cups throughout the day, really good stuff health wise, one of the best anti-oxidant's you can take, anti inflammatory and anti cancer in one.
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I seem to be downing a ton of caffeine lately, and it just got thinking:
How much Caffeine is too much, and when does it begin to negatively effect your physique (i.e. Cortisol Levels)?
Sorry it took so long to answer I was finishing my coffee. Don't even concern yourself with it, life is too short and before you know it you'll be dead. Now, have a nice cup of coffee. :) To the rest of you who are debating this refer to the pic below.
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I guess that's why GH makes people fatter too, as it also increases lipolysis and increases insulin levels.
GH increases muscle mass which increases basal metabolic rate, and it increases insulin sensitivity as well as shutting down the inhibitory mechanisms that inhibit alpha adrenergic receptors. Terrible analogy. The fact is that caffeine almost cimpletely inhibits fat burning in low carbohydrate diets which can be verified by checking for ketones - the ketone levels which indicate fat burning are greatly reduced after ingestion of caffeine. The reason why caffeine inhibits fat burning is because is releases insulin. Your knowledge of physiology and biochemistry is sophomoric.
Funny how coffee intake reduces type II diabetes risk. I guess it makes people fatter yet less likely to have diabetes.
Your knowledge is incredibly skewed. It is amazing how a single person can be so wrong. Coffee and caffeine are not the same. Coffee has lactones and other lipophilic substances that lower the risk of diiabetes. The fact, though, is that caffeine does spike insulin in the short-term which is evident by the fact that a few hours after drinking coffee you go hypoglycemic. This is indisputable.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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GH increases muscle mass which increases basal metabolic rate, and it increases insulin sensitivity as well as shutting down the inhibitory mechanisms that inhibit alpha adrenergic receptors. Terrible analogy. The fact is that caffeine almost cimpletely inhibits fat burning in low carbohydrate diets which can be verified by checking for ketones - the ketone levels which indicate fat burning are greatly reduced after ingestion of caffeine. The reason why caffeine inhibits fat burning is because is releases insulin. Your knowledge of physiology and biochemistry is sophomoric.
Your knowledge is incredibly skewed. It is amazing how a single person can be so wrong. Coffee and caffeine are not the same. Coffee has lactones and other lipophilic substances that lower the risk of diiabetes. The fact, though, is that caffeine does spike insulin in the short-term which is evident by the fact that a few hours after drinking coffee you go hypoglycemic. This is indisputable.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Most of what you say is complete bullshit, except that coffee contains other substances which may account for the "diabetes protection".
Caffeine completely shutting down fat burning on low-carb diets - absurd and not worth to debate.
Fact of the matter is that most of the substances bodybuilders use to burn fat increase insulin resistance, yet increase fat burning. Clen, ephedrine, GH, Caffeine etc. And a result of insulin resistance is increased insulin production - yet it doesn't inhibit fat loss. And conversely, substances that increase insulin sensitivity, such as oral diabetes drugs, make people fatter.
GH by itself doesn't increase muscle, or does so very negligibly. It does not account for the increase in fat burning. Nor does GH make you more insulin sensitive.
The insulin resistance caused by GH is directly tied to the fat burning mechanism.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2003 Apr;88(4):1455-63.
Growth hormone replacement therapy induces insulin resistance by activating the glucose-fatty acid cycle.
Bramnert M, Segerlantz M, Laurila E, Daugaard JR, Manhem P, Groop L.
Department of Endocrinology, University Hospital, S-205 02 Malmö, Sweden. margareta.bramnert@skane.se
Comment in:
* J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2003 Apr;88(4):1453-4.
Abstract
The effects of GH replacement therapy on energy metabolism are still uncertain, and long-term benefits of increased muscle mass are thought to outweigh short-term negative metabolic effects. This study was designed to address this issue by examining both short-term (1 wk) and long-term (6 months) effects of a low-dose (9.6 micro g/kg body weight.d) GH replacement therapy or placebo on whole-body glucose and lipid metabolism (oral glucose tolerance test and euglycemic hyperinsulinemic clamp combined with indirect calorimetry and infusion of 3-[(3)H]glucose) and on muscle composition and muscle enzymes/metabolites, as determined from biopsies obtained at the end of the clamp in 19 GH-deficient adult subjects. GH therapy resulted in impaired insulin-stimulated glucose uptake at 1 wk (-52%; P = 0.008) and 6 months (-39%; P = 0.008), which correlated with deterioration of glucose tolerance (r = -0.481; P = 0.003). The decrease in glucose uptake was associated with an increase in lipid oxidation at 1 wk (60%; P = 0.008) and 6 months (60%; P = 0.008) and a concomitant decrease in glucose oxidation. The deterioration of glucose metabolism during GH therapy also correlated with the enhanced rate of lipid oxidation (r = -0.508; P = 0.0002). In addition, there was a shift toward more glycolytic type II fibers during GH therapy. In conclusion, replacement therapy with a low-dose GH in GH-deficient adult subjects is associated with a sustained deterioration of glucose metabolism as a consequence of the lipolytic effect of GH, resulting in enhanced oxidation of lipid substrates. Also, a shift toward more insulin-resistant type II X fibers is seen in muscle. Glucose metabolism should be carefully monitored during long-term GH replacement therapy.
Block the lipolytic effect of GH and what happens? ;)
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/86/12/5813
Some insulin resistance, and the resulting increase in insulin, isn't all bad from a bodybuilding standpoint. It's one reason why enhanced bodybuilders are so lean.
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Oh, I forgot to mention that GH causes insulin release to bring down high blood sugar levels that come from the triglycerides from stored bodyfat, whilst caffeine causes insulin release to bring down high sugar levels caused by mobilization of stored glycogen in the liver that results from the increased levels of adrenaline caused by caffeine. Two completely different mechanisms.
VanBilderass = owned ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Most of what you say is complete bullshit, except that coffee contains other substances which may account for the "diabetes protection".
Caffeine completely shutting down fat burning on low-carb diets - absurd and not worth to debate.
Fact of the matter is that most of the substances bodybuilders use to burn fat increase insulin resistance, yet increase fat burning. Clen, ephedrine, GH, Caffeine etc. And a result of insulin resistance is increased insulin production - yet it doesn't inhibit fat loss. And conversely, substances that increase insulin sensitivity, such as oral diabetes drugs, make people fatter.
GH by itself doesn't increase muscle, or does so very negligibly. It does not account for the increase in fat burning. Nor does GH make you more insulin sensitive.
The insulin resistance caused by GH is directly tied to the fat burning mechanism.
Block the lipolytic effect of GH and what happens? ;)
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/86/12/5813
VanBilderass, everything you just typed can be easily proven wrong with a simple ketosis test which can be purchased in any drug store. On a low carb diet, taking caffeine has roughly the same effect of eating high glycemic carbs: the amount of detectable ketones in urine declines almost completely, and that is prima fasce evidence of it inhibiting fat loss. There is no way around it. The reason why the caffeine and ephedrine combo works so well to cause fat loss is because caffeine stops alpha-adrenergic receptors from shutting down, so ephedrine keeps stimulating it to cause lipolysis despite increased insulin levels.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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this guy is such a knob. i dont know how many times i have seen him give advise that was completely wrong, or show he has no idea what he's talking about. but yet he's getbig's resident genius.
i just ignore him now. it wasn't until i got into it with him on the drug board 2 years ago talking about gluconeogenesis i realised he's just a fool who wants people to think he's a lot more intelligent than he really is, and that isn't a whole lot.
I think your username suits you very well. Until now, I had no idea who you were. You truly are no one, intellectually as a Getbig member or as a Human Being.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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:( I'm going to Starbucks
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Theres a guy at my gym that does that. Real close talker too, hate that shit
Maybe he's in for a mid-workout kiss?
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Theres a guy at my gym that does that. Real close talker too, hate that shit
hahah, Close talker.
Agreed, give me at least 3 feet Chief. Unless, you're my girlfriend, keep your fucking distance. ;D
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Maybe he's in for a mid-workout kiss?
King has to keep the Hummer from getting repoed somehow.