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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: lesaucer on November 11, 2010, 08:41:01 PM
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2-3 sets per bodypart, to failure, all bodypart each training. 3 trainings a week; first training: reps between 3-6. second training: 8-12. third training: 12+
only 3 training per week but, long and intense sessions. Every muscle fiber type gets worked out, no overtraining. sounds good to me
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i did something similar when i got into running...worked for me..
bench
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full body training is fine for.......
beginners
people who have alot of outside the gym stresses
people with limited time for the gym
athletes
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who dont really care about asthetic goals.
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full body training is fine for.......
beginners
people who have alot of outside the gym stresses
people with limited time for the gym
athletes
and
who dont really care about asthetic goals.
its great for taking time out from serious training...while still training....thats why i did it....i wanted to focus more on cardio for a while..
bench
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its great for taking time out from serious training...while still training....thats why i did it....i wanted to focus more on cardio for a while..
bench
yea thats a perfect reason to full body train, or when ur getting back into training off a layoff.
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i trained like this a few years ago, but to get the most out of it, u have to do mainly "money" exercises.....Like squats, deads, bench press, rows, millitary presses, chins etc.
Doing big compound movements like this all in the same workout really wiped me out, so i didnt like it too much.
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full body training is not really appropriate for bodybuilding unless you are a complete newbie,, not saying it cant work to a certain degree,, but not really the best option,, picking 1-2 muscle groups and working them 3 times per week for a limited time period can be a good way to progress further tho,,
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i trained like this a few years ago, but to get the most out of it, u have to do mainly "money" exercises.....Like squats, deads, bench press, rows, millitary presses, chins etc.
Doing big compound movements like this all in the same workout really wiped me out, so i didnt like it too much.
yes,, it simply becomes too much,, specially if you actually do a full body routine and not those squat,bench rows routines which is more for powrlifting or american football,,
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if you are going to hit every body part 3 times a week, you would need to back way off on how much you do for each part.....either in reps, sets or weight. Assuming you have been at it awhile....if you are really pushing it, your body won't get enough recovery time.....
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Might be better off going with super sets..push/pull
Here is a 3 day per week program and for the off days sprinkle in cardio
back/triceps
chest/biceps
legs/shoulders
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looks good on papper...try it and see how it works for you..
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Circuit training definetly works, esp. for people who have a lot of things in their life and can't spend an hour+ in the gym everyday..
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full body training is fine for.......
beginners
people who have alot of outside the gym stresses
people with limited time for the gym
athletes
and
who dont really care about asthetic goals.
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full body training is fine for.......
beginners
people who have alot of outside the gym stresses
people with limited time for the gym
athletes
and
who dont really care about asthetic goals.
Agreed, especially on the athletes part. It's actually good for everything except bodybuilding.
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I haven't done a full body workout for about 18 years. They're completely pointless.
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full body is popular on certain nerd forums,, but these people are and never will be bodybuilders ,, also they lift peanuts,, yes full body give you high frequency bumping of protein synthesis and activation of certain genes,, but there must be progress also,, not just acute bumping,, also after first few exercises workout qiuality is going way downhill,,
full body is not for real bodybuilding.m,,
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Full body training works our for this guy:
Thilo Pasch:
2006 NABBA Nord/West Cup, Athletikklasse, 1. Platz
2006 NABBA Deutscher Meister, Leistungsklasse, Klassen- und Gesamtsieger
2006 WFF Weltmeister, Athletikklasse, 1. Platz
2007 NABBA Westdeutscher Meister, Superbody, 1. Platz
2007 NABBA Deutsche Meisterschaft, Superbody, Klassen- und Gesamtsieger
2007 WFF Mr. Universum, Athletikklasse über 30, Klassen- und Gesamtsieger
2007 NABBA deutscher Meister, Athletikklasse, Klassen u Gesamtsieger
2007 WFF Weltmeisterschaft, Leistungsklasse über 40, 1. Platz
2007 WFF Weltmeisterschaft, Paarwettbewerb mit Katrin Güth, 1. Platz
2008 NABBA deutscher Meister, Athletikklasse über 35 und Gesamtsieger Athletikklasse
2008 WFF Mr. Universum
2009 NABBA deutscher Meister, Athletikklasse über 35 und Gesamtsieger Athletikklasse
2009 WFF Mr. Universum, Leistungsklasse über 35 und Gesamtsieger Leistungsklasse
5facher deutscher Meister, 3facher Mr. Universe, 2facher Weltmeister & Paarweltmeister
Trains full body 6 times a week.
(http://www.worldfitnessfederation.de/nabba/frame1/B%20CUP%20N-W%20HE06%20web/MA1.jpg)
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(http://www.tugagym.info/imagens/ThiloPasch3Steps2Universe_A91/Thilosportlerdesjahres.jpg)
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(http://www.worldfitnessfederation.de/nabba/frame1/B%20Quali%20West%20FJ%2007%20web/Msb1.jpg)
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(http://www.body-attack-sportsteam.de/images/athelten/thilo_pasch/1.jpg)
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but these people are and never will be bodybuilders ,, also they lift peanuts,,
The guys who train for strongman comps at my gym train full body and they don't lift peanuts. They just don't hit each part with the same intensity every time.
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HAhahaha you all agree that full body workouts are no good, therefore they must be good. I guess you are all "bodybuilders" HAhahahaha! :D
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The guys who train for strongman comps at my gym train full body and they don't lift peanuts. They just don't hit each part with the same intensity every time.
Thats what I was trying to say as well.....you just can't go into the gym and do a total body, every lift to its max workout 3 times a week and expect significant results. Too many people overlook rest and recupperation.
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HAhahaha you all agree that full body workouts are no good, therefore they must be good. I guess you are all "bodybuilders" HAhahahaha! :D
Not at all.
Just saying if you are trying to bodybuild, FBT isnt your best option.
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2-3 sets per bodypart, to failure, all bodypart each training. 3 trainings a week; first training: reps between 3-6. second training: 8-12. third training: 12+
only 3 training per week but, long and intense sessions. Every muscle fiber type gets worked out, no overtraining. sounds good to me
Depending how many total exercises that is, it has the potential to be an awesome program. Essentially what I do.
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if you are going to hit every body part 3 times a week, you would need to back way off on how much you do for each part.....either in reps, sets or weight. Assuming you have been at it awhile....if you are really pushing it, your body won't get enough recovery time.....
What's the theory with this? Wouldn't the experienced trainers body be better equiped to deal with the stress placed upon it?
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Thats what I was trying to say as well.....you just can't go into the gym and do a total body, every lift to its max workout 3 times a week and expect significant results. Too many people overlook rest and recupperation.
Exactly.
For example, if Monday was heavy bench and squat, Wed may be plyometric jumps / lighter split squats and pushup. Deadlift one day, pull up the next......
I like this kind of workout. My trouble is, without a trainer, I don't know how to build progression schemes, and when to change the exercise.
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Exactly.
For example, if Monday was heavy bench and squat, Wed may be plyometric jumps / lighter split squats and pushup. Deadlift one day, pull up the next......
I like this kind of workout. My trouble is, without a trainer, I don't know how to build progression schemes, and when to change the exercise.
Wtf, just wing it. Don't overcomplicate something that is pretty simplistic. Fucking progression scheme, jesus christ...
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Wtf, just wing it. Don't overcomplicate something that is pretty simplistic. Fucking progression scheme, jesus christ...
After you've been working out for a while, you plateau, and the gains stop. Winging it doesn't help if you want to get better.
The two ten week programs I did with a trainer got my bench, squat and deadlift up about 50lbs or so.
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After you've been working out for a while, you plateau, and the gains stop. Winging it doesn't help if you want to get better.
The two ten week programs cycles I did with a trainer got my bench, squat and deadlift up about 50lbs or so.
Fixed ;D
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Fixed ;D
In a couple years, that might be true!
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After you've been working out for a while, you plateau, and the gains stop. Winging it doesn't help if you want to get better.
The two ten week programs I did with a trainer got my bench, squat and deadlift up about 50lbs or so.
I would love to see this scheme, i imagine it is a work of unequaled genius. ::)
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There is no way in hell one can make progress and get stronger by training a bodypart to failure 3 times a week, even if only using 2 or 3 work sets per session.
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I would love to see this scheme, i imagine it is a work of unequaled genius. ::)
From your response, It's easy to see you've already got a predetermined opinion on it, so it will be lost on you.
It concentrated on removing the band-reflex from the main compound exercises. The end result was greater strength on normal lifts.
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There is no way in hell one can make progress and get stronger by training a bodypart to failure 3 times a week, even if only using 2 or 3 work sets per session.
A lot of old timer did this for years and some of them were pretty big dudes.
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Try John Brown's routine.
He trained Shawn Ray and Melvin Anthony using this routine when they were teenagers.
Mon: Chest,Shoulders, Arms
Tue: Legs, Back
Wed: Chest, Shoulders, Arms
Thurs: Legs, Back
Fri: Chest, Shoulders, Arms
Sat: Legs, Back
Sun: OFF
incredibly high volume, 3 hour workouts. Sleep for 12 hours a day.
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There is no way in hell one can make progress and get stronger by training a bodypart to failure 3 times a week, even if only using 2 or 3 work sets per session.
I have made my best gains training the same bodypart three times a week, it depends on your recovery, which is different for everyone.
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Depending how many total exercises that is, it has the potential to be an awesome program. Essentially what I do.
Yes, same here.
The key is to reduce the sets and exercises for each body part. You cannot do 5 exercises with 3 sets for legs only when you plan to train legs again after 2 days.
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When you train to failure- whether it is actual physiological failure (momentary muscle fatigue) or volitional failure (your threshold for discomfort) the amount of weight, sets and reps are irrelevant. Your muscles don't know or care about the specifics. If you train with 90% of your max and reach failure after 3 reps, you are achieving the same muscular and neurological response as if you trained with 50 % of your max and did 20 reps. Therefore, going insane with tons of sets and reps and exercises for the same body part is moronic and ineffective in the long run. There is no such thing as "muscle memory" (muscles have no memory, all movement in the human body originates in the central nervous system-- what people erroneously refer to as muscle memory is a motor pattern orchestrated by the nervous system in response to force creating stability and mobility; the CNS then stores information associated with the movement), there is no such thing as "isolating" individual parts of the muscle (based on the all or non principle of muscle contraction) and there is no such thing as lifting for "definition" versus lifting for mass (lifting is lifting, definition is the product of diet, aerobic exercise, genetics and supplementation). You can only isolate joints and you can only encourage specific muscle participation in any given exercise depending on how it is executed.
Also, I stayed at a Holliday Inn express last night.
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Excellent points George. So, I'm curious where your came up with these conclusions? To me, it looks like a combonation of Arthur Jones and Fred Hatfield
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Hell son, go all in.....7 day a week, 3 hr workout, 12 to 15 sets per bodypart.......eat you some baloney sammiches, drank some orange drank and get jacked !!
this is the incarceration training principles.
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Hell son, go all in.....7 day a week, 3 hr workout, 12 to 15 sets per bodypart.......eat you some baloney sammiches, drank some orange drank and get jacked !!
this is the incarceration training principles.
Racist post reported.
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Racist post reported.
"orange drank" gave me away, huh? :-\
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Excellent points George. So, I'm curious where your came up with these conclusions? To me, it looks like a combonation of Arthur Jones and Fred Hatfield
I took a few exercise physiology and anatomy courses directly related to resistance training. I'm not an expert, or anywhere close-- but the stuff I learned blew my mind. The shit people think they know about exercise is utter nonsense (and myself included prior to taking the classes). Most individuals get their knowledge about exercise from people with no clue about the science that is involved. Many people believe in their methods because some other "big" guy at the gym told them what to do, then they tried it, and now they are armchair experts as well. The fact is that most people have no idea what they are doing to their bodies when they exercise and getting the results they want is a combination of inflammation, drugs, or simply accident. If you asked someone who had an ideal physique how they achieved it, you are likely to hear something stupid like "Always do HIT" or "Make sure you deadlift twice a week". Same thing with eating. The reason why it is rare if not impossible to use a one size fits all training and diet protocol is because of the concept of biological individuality. No two human beings have the same chemistry, cellular structure, musculoskeletal structure, medical history, physiological response-etc.
When you look specifically at the science alone, everything else is exposed for what it is-- fiction. I also did some course work in nutrition/ ergogenic aids which also opened my eyes to a lot of the myths perpetrated out there about how to eat in order to burn muscle and lose fat.-- ala no carbs and low carb diets which are a complete farce.
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"orange drank" gave me away, huh? :-\
It was the misspelled words and criminality. I had no choice but to alert the nearest moderator.