quality of gear has a LOT to do with it
also, if you notice, there are no guys over there carrying jays, or kai, or phil, or rolleys type of silly mass
which makes me think they are going easier on the insulin.......and in turn, able to consistatly get harder
A lot of talk on here about if there is any difference in training,dieting,quality of gear,quantity of gear,between Americans and Europeans and middle Eastern guys,so have a read of this,its 4 pages long.Kevin Levrone's clone?
This would have been the best side chest shot in the Olympia.
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/66307-touri-mohammed-2010-ifbb-world-amateur-overall-winner.html
one of the first things said in that thread............"yeah, i heard NO middle eastern guy will EVER go over 1000 mgs of test"...........then the next guy.........."offseason maybe 400mgs to 600mgs of cyp"
It was me who wrote that regarding not going over 1000mg test. Now this obviously doesn't apply to every middle eastern guy - it was only a conversation between one high level bb and one middle eastern IFBB Worlds competitor. The thing is that if you add say 700mg Tren, 700mg of Mast, 700mg of EQ plus a couple of hundred mg of orals per day to that test dosage the total dosage is still very high. Some of those guys just don't like high-dose testosterone. They don't like the "bloofy" look as gh15 calls it. :D
It's the Americans who compete for the lowest dosage award. Give the least possible credit to the drugs. :D OTOH you got guys like Ali Amini who say the condition of guys like the IFBB worlds overall winner has a lot to do with drug quality. Will we hear the same from Hany Ramrod or Chris Aceto? Not likely.
there is definably a lot fo that kind of talk going on over there though
That's an awesome thread...The Americans can learn a thing or two from those guys...Because overall that line-up is better than every NPC show including the USAs and Nationals and better than many low-level IFBB shows...
These guys are a throwback to the late 80s early 90s...
Say what you will but the overall the conditioning, separation and tie-ins are better than the Olympia top 6....Olympia top 6 look like plastic balloons with 36+ inch waists...and these guys look grainy and conditioning with much smaller waists look alot better despite being smaller...I'm going to pay attention to these shows now...
Aceto even said he had Troy on 2200-2400 cal per day...Now, Troy is a much smaller bodybuilder but he looks alot better than majority of the crap we see onstage today...who do I blame?
HANY RAMBOD, CHAD NICHOLLS, GEORGE FARAH...These jackass have played a huge part in this starting with NICHOLS, with RAMROD the current #1 JACKASS.
Bottom line is all the extra mass has not equated to a better physique...
There's a reason Ronnie looked better 249 vs 287, that Flex looked better at 218 vs. 240 that Dennis James looked better at his rookie year in the 240s vs. 260s....
But with the American mindset of more is better, they're too stupid and arrogant to understand this and their physiques and health suffer...
Judges need to start rewarding these quality physiques and stop putting so much emphasis on useless mass...While it is bodybuilding, it not about who the biggest is and never should be...it's the best overall and Jay Cutler is a reflection of how crappy this sport has become...40+inch waist, minimal tie-ins, crappy structure, crappy posing and of course with Americans being a little "Com se com sa" mentally, they'll accept whatever is put in front of them...
A lot of talk on here about if there is any difference in training,dieting,quality of gear,quantity of gear,between Americans and Europeans and middle Eastern guys,so have a read of this,its 4 pages long.
This would have been the best side chest shot in the Olympia.
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/66307-touri-mohammed-2010-ifbb-world-amateur-overall-winner.html
Forget the test altogether and just use anabolics. Forget PCT its a waste of time. Don't get fat in the offseason. I also think guys need to come off a few months out of the year. Also, too many guys wanna do 15 minute workouts and then walk into oblivion on the treadmill for hours a day. What the fuk kinda workout is that?
Forget the test altogether and just use anabolics. Forget PCT its a waste of time. Don't get fat in the offseason. I also think guys need to come off a few months out of the year. Also, too many guys wanna do 15 minute workouts and then walk into oblivion on the treadmill for hours a day. What the fuk kinda workout is that?
Forget the test altogether and just use anabolics. Forget PCT its a waste of time. Don't get fat in the offseason. I also think guys need to come off a few months out of the year. Also, too many guys wanna do 15 minute workouts and then walk into oblivion on the treadmill for hours a day. What the fuk kinda workout is that?
Really no test wouldn't that wipe out your sex drive. Whyn't use a replacement dose. One mil a week at least.
you saying precontest
or dont use test during offseason and bulking phases?
NEVER
All the reading I've done over the years suggests you would shutdown your natural test production doing it this way. I would think you need at least a replacement dose.
So you are saying that if you take exogenous test you will keep your own natural levels in check?
So you are saying that if you take exogenous test you will keep your own natural levels in check?
At least you are replacing while on cycle. I only go 20 weeks at a time. When I'm done I take 20-30 weeks of and use clomid and a couple of otc products to bring it back. When I'm 40 I plan on going on hrt.
isnt test the kinda bread and butter mass steroid
can you really gain that kind of mass without test
one of the first things said in that thread............"yeah, i heard NO middle eastern guy will EVER go over 1000 mgs of test"...........then the next guy.........."offseason maybe 400mgs to 600mgs of cyp"
what fuckin world are these queers living in........how do people of a feather all seem to find each other..........every PC sissy who likes "positive bodybuilding talk and max censorship found RX muscle............every idiot who deludes themself into thinking the best bodybuilder barely use any gear, only hard work finds professional muscle ::) ::) ::)
just a site full of pole smoking assholes
and yeah... just to let you know... I can't say this in professional muscle or i'll get banned... but most of them are addicted to steroids like heroin... they would ruin their lives and families lives just to place 3rd in a shit show...
my friend competed in a big contest and won the overall... he spent more than $6K on his cycle alone (and gear is about a 1/4 of the cost here... so in the states you'd spend $20K easy on the same cycle) just to win a $1000 check as a "gift" and when i asked him why the fuck he did that, he said (proudly) "now i have the title of champion"... he skipped his car payments and rent to afford that cycle..
and yeah... just to let you know... I can't say this in professional muscle or i'll get banned... but most of them are addicted to steroids like heroin... they would ruin their lives and families lives just to place 3rd in a shit show...
my friend competed in a big contest and won the overall... he spent more than $6K on his cycle alone (and gear is about a 1/4 of the cost here... so in the states you'd spend $20K easy on the same cycle) just to win a $1000 check as a "gift" and when i asked him why the fuck he did that, he said (proudly) "now i have the title of champion"... he skipped his car payments and rent to afford that cycle..
another guy i know who competes in the 90 kg category doesn't have enough money for rent, so he took a loan out from the bank for $10K... spent it all on gear to win a contest that pays $250 for 1st place... and he got 3rd... $100 prize money... and he's happy about it.
and most of them are addicted to alcohol, keptagon (like speed... burns the shit outta fat) and any other drug they get their hands on.
don't think everyone at proM is "pro-low dose"... most of us just have to say that to not get banned... but we know the truth, and whoever doesn't accept it or believes otherwise is a nieve fuck that is so stupid they deserve to be out of the loop.
for the record, to those that don't know, buselmo is one of the only honest peeps on that whole board apart from big A himself who'll call a spade a spade. he keeps it real. a down to earth cat who is no bullshit.
you forgot to mention bald and mildly retarded
thanks for the vouch bro ;D
If you "fronted" any of these guys some shit...
how long do you think it would take to get paid back? ::)
If you "fronted" any of these guys some shit...
how long do you think it would take to get paid back? ::)
Notice also how much better they all look before the fake tan gets put on.When i used to compete you built up a base tan with using the sunbed then used a single coat of sudden tan,nowadays the shit they use for tanning seems to fill in all the gaps.
I have to agree with this...I looked hard and dense pre-tanner, however the multiple coats seemed to thicken my skin. Might be bs, just me fucking my load or something, but the shit made me feel like I was in an oven, almost hyperventilate...I started competing in the early 80s and everyone did what i basically did,sunbed a few weeks then a coat of tan,you had a goldenish look that stood out on the street,but looked great under stage lights.The first person i saw use the dreamtan was in 1996 at the NABBA universe,a guy called Oliver Ripert,he`s the only guy i`ve seen who the tan looked good on.Its as though your seperation in the muscles gets filled in with the tan,almost like using grout in between tiles.You see pics of guys a few days out and in the gym with no tan and they look great,they slap the fake tan on and the speration disappears.Also what makes it worse is the typical bodybuilder attitude to everything,if 1 is good 3 is 3 times as good and they slap layer after layer on not wanting to give any edge to the other competitors.
for the record, to those that don't know, buselmo is one of the only honest peeps on that whole board apart from big A himself who'll call a spade a spade. he keeps it real. a down to earth cat who is no bullshit.
I fronted a guy tried to compete in that european "pro" division some IGF that cost around $1000... this was back in 2008... to this day i'm getting the "i'm getting paid next week and i swear i'll pay you back... i swear man... and i can't thank you enough" for the billionth time
... true story ;D
all crooks
I started competing in the early 80s and everyone did what i basically did,sunbed a few weeks then a coat of tan,you had a goldenish look that stood out on the street,but looked great under stage lights.The first person i saw use the dreamtan was in 1996 at the NABBA universe,a guy called Oliver Ripert,he`s the only guy i`ve seen who the tan looked good on.Its as though your seperation in the muscles gets filled in with the tan,almost like using grout in between tiles.You see pics of guys a few days out and in the gym with no tan and they look great,they slap the fake tan on and the speration disappears.Also what makes it worse is the typical bodybuilder attitude to everything,if 1 is good 3 is 3 times as good and they slap layer after layer on not wanting to give any edge to the other competitors.Dream Tan = spackle!! ;D
LOOOOL
read the whole posts, not just two or three words...
that "next guy" always says their totals are above 2 grams but they don't like test.... i guess if someone said he's using 250 mg of test, 1 gram of eq, 700 masteron, and 700 mg tren plus 100 mg winny and 50 mg halo everyday you'd say "bullshit... no one looks like that on 250 mg test" :)
You could, but back in the day I never heard anyone complain about sex drive. I think somewhat a myth. I can never remember a time in my life that I didn't want to fuk. Back then there was no PCT and I also know plenty of guys who had kids who were dumb enough to think that it was OK to not pull out cause they were on.
pct,, lol only in america lol
what the fuck is pct? fuckin you go off you lose gains period ,,no keepable nothing,,you keep them for a while then lose them after 6 months if not training and even if training you will lose them with or with out oct lol
the body has its own pct ,,you can kick the balls back to size faster with hcg but pct is the most usless phenomenon came to the online bodybuilder ,, you got bunch of pussies sit on boards and talk about pct and talk about it before they even do one cycle of 500 mg test because they are scard theure peepee wont function ,,no wonder no one is growing arimixed nolvadex prolactin inhibitors lol
thats the reason you look liek shit all this useless pct and you playing with your estrogen levels so much that your body priduce more estrogen to fight the shit you do to it retards lol
P C T lol
gh15 approved
reason the guys there have better looking physiqe that RESEMBLE THE EARLY 90S is very simple,,i was asked to talk about it ,,so i will
they use LESS INSULIN and in many times NO insulin
they use less gh and use brand name gh
stricter diet,, the approach in americnaa is ...moment you got gh you can say bye bye diet since you will lose bodyfat anyways but there are different types of fat...
has nothign to do with training ,,we all train the same ,,you can get big and lean by working a bow flex,,
gh15 approved
But aren't you the one telling us to eat everything and anything when on high dose gh because you need it grow and you will just get bigger while losing fat? What type of fats are there and how does gh effect that fat?
How in the hell do these competitors afford to run 1 kit of gh every fived days. They must be spending 30grand to do a show. It's insane what an expensive sport bodybuilding is.
But aren't you the one telling us to eat everything and anything when on high dose gh because you need it grow and you will just get bigger while losing fat? What type of fats are there and how does gh effect that fat?
it's the difference between visceral (or iaf, which you will put on eating the whole buffet) and subcutaneous which you cannot retain on lots of GH.
amiright GH15?
pct,, lol only in america lol
what the fuck is pct? fuckin you go off you lose gains period ,,no keepable nothing,,you keep them for a while then lose them after 6 months if not training and even if training you will lose them with or with out oct lol
the body has its own pct ,,you can kick the balls back to size faster with hcg but pct is the most usless phenomenon came to the online bodybuilder ,, you got bunch of pussies sit on boards and talk about pct and talk about it before they even do one cycle of 500 mg test because they are scard theure peepee wont function ,,no wonder no one is growing arimixed nolvadex prolactin inhibitors lol
thats the reason you look liek shit all this useless pct and you playing with your estrogen levels so much that your body priduce more estrogen to fight the shit you do to it retards lol
P C T lol
gh15 approved
Just the other day this kid that I know was asking me about cycles. I almost never talk about stuff like this but he's a good kid and never done a cycle before. Anyway, he's got some dbol and he says that he doesn't want to start it until he's got everything he needs for PCT. I told him forget PCT it's a waste if time and he looked at me like I had two heads. Right then I could tell that he's been brainwashed by reading all this BS on the boards and I was fighting a losing battle. How ridiculous is it to buy clomid, HCG an anti estrogen and God knows what else just to take a few Dbol.
A lot of talk on here about if there is any difference in training,dieting,quality of gear,quantity of gear,between Americans and Europeans and middle Eastern guys,so have a read of this,its 4 pages long.terrible no roid gut. can't compete in the usa without one.
This would have been the best side chest shot in the Olympia.
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/66307-touri-mohammed-2010-ifbb-world-amateur-overall-winner.html
Just the other day this kid that I know was asking me about cycles. I almost never talk about stuff like this but he's a good kid and never done a cycle before. Anyway, he's got some dbol and he says that he doesn't want to start it until he's got everything he needs for PCT. I told him forget PCT it's a waste if time and he looked at me like I had two heads. Right then I could tell that he's been brainwashed by reading all this BS on the boards and I was fighting a losing battle. How ridiculous is it to buy clomid, HCG an anti estrogen and God knows what else just to take a few Dbol.
what a bunch of bizarre fucking homos over at professional muscle
they have this silly badge of honor thing...........where its like measuring each others dicks bragging about who takes the lowest dosage
they are all steroid addicts, but some weird ethos developed where the less you take, everyone worships you...........and they are all fuckig liars
one of the first things said in that thread............"yeah, i heard NO middle eastern guy will EVER go over 1000 mgs of test"...........then the next guy.........."offseason maybe 400mgs to 600mgs of cyp"
what fuckin world are these queers living in........how do people of a feather all seem to find each other..........every PC sissy who likes "positive bodybuilding talk and max censorship found RX muscle............every idiot who deludes themself into thinking the best bodybuilder barely use any gear, only hard work finds professional muscle ::) ::) ::)
just a site full of pole smoking assholes
X2, why waste money on drugs designed for women, clomid and nolvo, when you are using Dbol, when i started gear i only took Dbol, 8 weeks on 4 weeks off then back on again, it worked great i got results had no negative effects, never did PCT, never had libido problems,never lost gains, when i was off i trained and ate the same, i just lowered the weight on some lifts a little but i kept the consistency going, later on i would use Winstrol tabs with Dbol together and that worked even more ;)
But don't you know your never supposed to do Dbol by itself???? You need to run some test with it and make sure that you have the proper PCT to go along with it. Man you are such a newbie. ;D
a question to the guys who have good knowledge about steroids...how dangerous are moderate cycles of test? something like 500mg of test per week. and maybe some dbols?
a question to the guys who have good knowledge about steroids...how dangerous are moderate cycles of test? something like 500mg of test per week. and maybe some dbols?
about as dangerous as fucking a random chick without a condom on
about as dangerous as fucking a random chick without a condom on
Buselmo, great post over there man...stick around here...Tell us more stories and stuff about Middle Eastern bodybuilding...
Where in Saudi are you from?
ask whatever you want about bodybuilding, culture... any kind of shit you want about the middle east... i'm sure i got some pretty retarded stories about everything :)... i hate it here >:(
are there many schmoes there ? 8)
haha you rock dudeno you rock bro! and montreal kicks ass!!! just been there for the 3rd time last june with a buddy of mine! i love that city! and holy shit do people use juice like candy over there! LOL!... once you sit down with a fit chick or have a chat with a buff dude at a bar and tell them gear is legal and cheap in my country, holy shit do they spill the beans! LOL! i met this chick who was so jacked you can see stub on her chin and cheeks, and once i said the shit was legal in my country and dirt cheap she started talking non stop about gear, what she uses, what antione what's his name uses, what fouad uses... LOL! awesome crowd down there ;D
you have a bodybuilding competition with oiled up 18 year olds, 2-300 people in the audience, and it's all a sausage fest... no women allowed... now you tell me if there are any schmoes there! LOL!
but seriously... yes... a lot.