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I've been around bodybuilding whether through internet, gyms etc for 15 years...In all that time, I've never heard even rumors about what Shawn Ray took...We know how he diets and trains but never any guesses on what he took and the amounts...well except the Winstrol that dq'd him from the Arnold... ;D
I imagine it wasn't that much not only because his size but he's not a reckless guy and valued his health...
In the late 90s up till 2001 when he retired his waist widened and he wasn't as sharp as he was from 93-96 so I'm guessing there was a change in the protocol there...I'd guess he was more a parabolin, primobolan, winstrol, anavar, masteron, eq, low dose gh and test suspension guy in his prime...more of anabolic vs. androgenic guy.
Your thoughts.
BTW current pros could learn alot from Shawn, while he was a whiny little, cheap asshole (back then)...Dude did everything right (tons of mag covers, lots of sponsors, well spoken and professional) and did things his way and though he never won an Olympia (robbed, but that's another thread) he earned a great living didn't sacrifice his health and wore regular clothes and not look like a clown...
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His mentor John Brown said that out of Shawn, Vince Taylor and Melvin Anthony,
Shawn grew by just looking at weights and apparently never had to take a lot of steroids.
To be honest, the pics of him at 17, 18 and then the pro card at 22,
All the muscles are there. He slowly got bigger as his career progressed.
I doubt he used a lot. Great genetics
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i'd believe that of all the pros SR took prolly the lower end when it came to what everyone else was taking at that time- look at his physique today- guys who mega dose all end up looking like they have the beginning stages of palumboism (take ronnie for example). something about pushing the envelope too much ruins your physique later down the road. i dont see this with ray.
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He was very complete at a young age.
His physique didn't blow up as much as other guys.
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I have a couple of his videos and I was watching "the final count down"....no homo
It reminded me of a time when I actually liked bodybuilding..I always enjoyed watching his interviews and watching his videos because he told the truth and didn't give a fuck about the political ramifications...you can't say that about ANYONE in the sport today...I respect the guy alot more now than I did when I was a kid...
Dude was all business.
BTW no homo...P.I.P SgtD...aka Shawn Ray's gimmick account.
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His physique looks better at 18 than it does at the 98 O.
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Outside his height, the most complete, proportioned bodybuilder ever....no weaknesses...
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Outside his height, the most complete, proportioned bodybuilder ever....no weaknesses...
Quit shmoeing on Shawn Ray videos. You ready to crush some weight punk!
haah
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Quit shmoeing on Shawn Ray videos. You ready to crush some weight punk!
haah
take it easy, I'm trying to gather my wits about so I don't look totally pathetic...lol
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Outside his height, the most complete, proportioned bodybuilder ever....no weaknesses...
I agree..there was more then one Mr."O" show that should of been his.
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I've been around bodybuilding whether through internet, gyms etc for 15 years...In all that time, I've never heard even rumors about what Shawn Ray took...We know how he diets and trains but never any guesses on what he took and the amounts...well except the Winstrol that dq'd him from the Arnold... ;D
I imagine it wasn't that much not only because his size but he's not a reckless guy and valued his health...
In the late 90s up till 2001 when he retired his waist widened and he wasn't as sharp as he was from 93-96 so I'm guessing there was a change in the protocol there...I'd guess he was more a parabolin, primobolan, winstrol, anavar, masteron, eq, low dose gh and test suspension guy in his prime...more of anabolic vs. androgenic guy.
Your thoughts.
BTW current pros could learn alot from Shawn, while he was a whiny little, cheap asshole (back then)...Dude did everything right (tons of mag covers, lots of sponsors, well spoken and professional) and did things his way and though he never won an Olympia (robbed, but that's another thread) he earned a great living didn't sacrifice his health and wore regular clothes and not look like a clown...
If he or anybody else would've said anything regarding this, then no one would've believed it anyway. That's the big problem with this issue, everyone out there wants to believe all pros use insane amounts of gear when some of them don't. Look at all the crap Lee Priest gets from all the internet warriors, he told about what he uses and since its not much then everbody cries he is lying. Dillet got the same crap.
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If he or anybody else would've said anything regarding this, then no one would've believed it anyway. That's the big problem with this issue, everyone out there wants to believe all pros use insane amounts of gear when some of them don't. Look at all the crap Lee Priest gets from all the internet warriors, he told about what he uses and since its not much then everbody cries he is lying. Dillet got the same crap.
What did Lee say? That he took about 200mg of primo for about two weeks leading up to comp? ::)
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If he or anybody else would've said anything regarding this, then no one would've believed it anyway. That's the big problem with this issue, everyone out there wants to believe all pros use insane amounts of gear when some of them don't. Look at all the crap Lee Priest gets from all the internet warriors, he told about what he uses and since its not much then everbody cries he is lying. Dillet got the same crap.
When we say he didn'T take much, I am thinking about 2g of drugs total a week !
not the 200mg a week bullshit that Lee Priest claims
that's a big difference
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What did Lee say? That he took about 200mg of primo for about two weeks leading up to comp? ::)
This is exactly what I meant with my post.
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When we say he didn'T take much, I am thinking about 2g of drugs total a week !
not the 200mg a week bullshit that Lee Priest claims
that's a big difference
From what I've read, Lee said he never went over 500mg of anything a week offseason. Precontest if I remember correctly he uses some other things too according to what I read in an interview he did.
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Outside his height, the most complete, proportioned bodybuilder ever....no weaknesses...
Agreed
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This is exactly what I meant with my post.
lol have you ever trained?
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lol have you ever trained?
Yes and I still do. Do you?
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one of the greats...
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Yes and I still do. Do you?
I just find the naivety amusing.
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amazing ,, tip top bodybuilder,, one of the best of all time,, very very smart in regards to his nutrition and training.
part of the peak generation of bodubyudiling,,.
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I just find the naivety amusing.
If you want to believe all pros use massive amounts its all good.
If you want to believe everything gh15 says go for it.
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Shawn used as much as the guy next to him ...
Did he ABUSE slin/gh ? NO
BUT THE AAS was there nonetheless
I have shawn at 3000 mg weekly plus hgh
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Shawn used as much as the guy next to him ...
Did he ABUSE slin/gh ? NO
BUT THE AAS was there nonetheless
I have shawn at 3000 mg weekly plus hgh
yeah that would be about right IMO
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If you want to believe all pros use massive amounts its all good.
If you want to believe everything gh15 says go for it.
GH15 is a fucking idiot.
99% of pro's megadose though, especially nowadays.
Shawn just didn't abuse slin and HGH, he was probably still hitting the AAs pretty heavy.
Someone like Priest looks extremely unhealthy and was probably near the top knowing his personality.
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shawn ray was ALL DRUGS
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he was taking IFBB pro-level dosages of steroids and growth.,............dont kid yourselves
now within that context there is a dosage spectrum, and he was probably on the lower end of that spectrum.......
but what a weekend warrior (like the people on this boards are mostly) who considers a couple shots of test, some deca, and dbol a "big cycle"...................would be nothing to shawn ray
there are NO supermen, nobody looks like shawn ray off some deca and dbol.............if there were, then someone would have came along during the 60s and 70s and early 80s with shawn's level of development............b ut they didnt............people that looked like shawn didnt come along until the late 80s when the drugs and protocols got more advanced
guy-who-doesnt-fool-himself approved........
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shawn took your standard pro mega dose....i always heard that he really liked plasma expanders...
bench
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he was taking IFBB pro-level dosages of steroids and growth.,............dont kid yourselves
now within that context there is a dosage spectrum, and he was probably on the lower end of that spectrum.......
but what a weekend warrior (like the people on this boards are mostly) who considers a couple shots of test, some deca, and dbol a "big cycle"...................would be nothing to shawn ray
there are NO supermen, nobody looks like shawn ray off some deca and dbol.............if there were, then someone would have came along during the 60s and 70s and early 80s with shawn's level of development............b ut they didnt............people that looked like shawn didnt come along until the late 80s when the drugs and protocols got more advanced
guy-who-doesnt-fool-himself approved........
This makes sense.
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Always kept his waistline...
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According to Shawn he stated he never took insulin. I remember him saying this when he had has forum and I asked him. Don't know how true that is, but that was what he said.
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Shawn Ray was the fucking man!!
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he was taking IFBB pro-level dosages of steroids and growth.,............dont kid yourselves
now within that context there is a dosage spectrum, and he was probably on the lower end of that spectrum.......
but what a weekend warrior (like the people on this boards are mostly) who considers a couple shots of test, some deca, and dbol a "big cycle"...................would be nothing to shawn ray
there are NO supermen, nobody looks like shawn ray off some deca and dbol.............if there were, then someone would have came along during the 60s and 70s and early 80s with shawn's level of development............b ut they didnt............people that looked like shawn didnt come along until the late 80s when the drugs and protocols got more advanced
guy-who-doesnt-fool-himself approved........
This :)
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he was taking IFBB pro-level dosages of steroids and growth.,............dont kid yourselves
now within that context there is a dosage spectrum, and he was probably on the lower end of that spectrum.......
but what a weekend warrior (like the people on this boards are mostly) who considers a couple shots of test, some deca, and dbol a "big cycle"...................would be nothing to shawn ray
there are NO supermen, nobody looks like shawn ray off some deca and dbol.............if there were, then someone would have came along during the 60s and 70s and early 80s with shawn's level of development............b ut they didnt............people that looked like shawn didnt come along until the late 80s when the drugs and protocols got more advanced
guy-who-doesnt-fool-himself approved........
How many 17 year olds look like Shawn did?
You gotta admit his genetics were superior to 90% of guys out there.
At 18 he looks like a slightly smaller version of his prime.
Most guys of any age will never look anything like he looked at 18. Do you really think that's because they aren't taking "IFBB level doses". Some guys just have great genetics, regardless of how much it pains people to admit it.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=356121.0;attach=391528;image)
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How many 17 year olds look like Shawn did?
You gotta admit his genetics were superior to 90% of guys out there.
At 18 he looks like a slightly smaller version of his prime.
Most guys of any age will never look anything like he looked at 18. Do you really think that's because they aren't taking "IFBB level doses". Some guys just have great genetics, regardless of how much it pains people to admit it.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=356121.0;attach=391528;image)
nobody is say shawn wasnt special,..........his genetics make me ashamed of myself
but he was still working within the confines of reality..........he did will himself that muscle, he took a bunch of gear like everyone else, and i do mean a bunch
cause like i said, if you could look like 90sw shawn did off deca and primo.,...........at least one or two guys in the 60s and 70s would ahve achieved that level of muscularity
shawn isnt even that much of a natural mesomorph freak.............you see what he looks like now, he is a short fat guy
he had a tremendous response to gear though
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According to Shawn he stated he never took insulin. I remember him saying this when he had has forum and I asked him. Don't know how true that is, but that was what he said.
That and GH, I believe. He said he was very conservative and old skool about what he did. Remember his 1st Mr. O he was 201.5 pounds. His last Mr. o he was 218...he hardly went over 245 in the offseason.
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That and GH, I believe. He said he was very conservative and old skool about what he did. Remember his 1st Mr. O he was 201.5 pounds. His last Mr. o he was 218...he hardly went over 245 in the offseason.
I guess we need to define all drugs...
Some newbie might define all drugs as anything over 2grams total of injectable steroids and pills
I think all drugs is over 3 grams of injectables and pills plus slin, GH, IGF, SEO, t-3, clen, ephedrine, DNP
I think Shawn was was def around the 2,500mg plus t-3, clen ephedrine, and GH (6-8 i.u)...His body never had the all drug look..the all drug look version of Shawn Ray is Dexter Jackson, although I don't care what anyone says, Dexter can't hold a candle to Shawn...too many structural flaws, and filled with oil...
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That and GH, I believe. He said he was very conservative and old skool about what he did. Remember his 1st Mr. O he was 201.5 pounds. His last Mr. o he was 218...he hardly went over 245 in the offseason.
shawn took plenty of gh
you can be sure of this, and if your not, im telling you
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Awesome more classic physique to bad he was so short. I bet you he ran the same doses as everyone else maybe cut the gh and slin doses a little lighter.
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offseason 1000mg per week split half deca half sust.
On season anapolan one at first then increased to 2 per day, winstrol 100mg per second day then increased to daily, test prop or suspension 100mg per second day then increased to daily.
Hair loss at a young age could be genetic but certainly an indicator of winstrol use. I think winstrol
I would also say he took a lot of time off when he could.
Guy had great genetics and obviously good response to use, makes it hard for some here to believe.
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That and GH, I believe. He said he was very conservative and old skool about what he did. Remember his 1st Mr. O he was 201.5 pounds. His last Mr. o he was 218...he hardly went over 245 in the offseason.
I actually can believe the insulin though, his physique is and was the last of the 80's classic lines that went into the 90's and early 2000's. The rest as we all know it is history as far as REAL classic physique goes with maybe the exception of Cormier who could still pull off the vacuum pose.
Ray, still had the hard look to his physique and like a lot of others have stated "insulin," usually fucks everything up and shouldn't even be in bbing.
For example here's a hint, look at Stan McQuay's recent physique at the Sacramento, good shape, yes, good structure, yes, but not as sharp as before turning pro, compare that to his 03/04 nationals and you can see the difference, he's bigger now, that's for sure, but the use of GH, and insulin is MORE evident. Waist grew more, and the overall look screams "INSULIN." I'm just calling a spade a spade ;)
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Let me guess, test, equipoise, tren, masteron, gh, less insulin ???
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ray looked good,,useed what we use but carry it well,,inaddition he did not abuse insulin nor did he abuse gh,,5'7 200-215lb going at times to 230 he just didnt use as much peptides ,,rest was like everyone else,,oh and he actually worked out lol thats a plus
gh15 approved
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Unreal look, one of the best ever!!
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I found a quote from Milos about shaw's use..
You see - most of you guys WANT TO BELIEVE whatever sounds good enough for you...
Shawn is one of the VERY BEST EXAMPLES of TOP Olympia competitors who maintained incredible competitiveness in the 90's (what I believe was the toughest decade to compete in IFBB) - placing in top 5 from 1989 to 2002 (!?!)...with cycles that would be COMICAL to post here on GETBIG...Cycles that would insure longevity and health...contrary to idiotic GH15-type cycles that are certainly - senseless and deadly stupidity...of senseless, idiotic and beyond stupid individual - who is trying to screw several more lives - as he is just that kind of guy...
Take example I mentioned here on this board...and consider about 60-70% of that...
Shawn was very smart about NOT ABUSING HIS BODY....and than means...he might be - BACK!!!
As the matter of fact - we are talking...and there are some possibilities that we might....train together...or at least he might start training in my gym - anyway...
Shawn - when focused and up for the challenge is GREAT WORKOUT PARTNER...and I am looking foreword to few workouts in upcoming month...He is back in training and 2010 might be INTERESTING YEAR....Chris Cormier is coming back, ..... (I am not allowed to say) X 3...are coming back...
I can say is - WE ::)...THEY all competed in the '90-s...
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ray looked good,,useed what we use but carry it well,,inaddition he did not abuse insulin nor did he abuse gh,,5'7 200-215lb going at times to 230 he just didnt use as much peptides ,,rest was like everyone else,,oh and he actually worked out lol thats a plus
gh15 approved
Shawn Ray is 5'7?
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much rather know what Levrone took than Shawn. That would do alot more benefit to the steroid using community. How to blow up and shrink faster than you can say fullblown.
I have read Kevin abused the shit out of insulin. He obviously did something different than anyone else did. Fuck this amazing response to drugs bullshit there are other black guys who are just as talented as Kev in bbing who didnt blow up like he did who have the same response to drugs I bet
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much rather know what Levrone took than Shawn. That would do alot more benefit to the steroid using community. How to blow up and shrink faster than you can say fullblown.
I have read Kevin abused the shit out of insulin. He obviously did something different than anyone else did. Fuck this amazing response to drugs bullshit there are other black guys who are just as talented as Kev in bbing who didnt blow up like he did who have the same response to drugs I bet
I'd rather hear about use vs. abuse and Big Dub, just as I thought...He wasn't a big user.
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I'd rather hear about use vs. abuse and Big Dub, just as I thought...He wasn't a big user.
why not kevin? i watch his vids every day no homo
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Outside his height, the most complete, proportioned bodybuilder ever....no weaknesses...
From a bodybuilding standpoint, Shawn is one of my all time favorites. Perfect combination of size, shape, and proportion. THIS is what bodybuilding SHOULD be all about!
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much rather know what Levrone took than Shawn. That would do alot more benefit to the steroid using community. How to blow up and shrink faster than you can say fullblown.
I have read Kevin abused the shit out of insulin. He obviously did something different than anyone else did. Fuck this amazing response to drugs bullshit there are other black guys who are just as talented as Kev in bbing who didnt blow up like he did who have the same response to drugs I bet
For that info look no further then Palumbo himself. I was surprised that's who Kevin worked with for his Olympia comback after tearing his pec in 94'?
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Shawn Ray took a Raiderette, then got Cocked Blocked by Lonnie Teper, then various other women, then Brooke Burke, possibly Madonna Grimes, then that blonde chica, then got married to a Brooke Burke lookalike...he sure was taking alot...
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Shawn has always seemed to me a Winstrol type of guy. Given the fact he had a tiny waist when he was competing, visible serratus and was very dry in contest shape, I would say his stack was mostly high in anabolics and low in androgens. Lots of Winstrol, Deca, Anavar with some Parabolan and also GH thrown there for thickness. I don't think he was on insulin and or multiple grams of test a week.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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For that info look no further then Palumbo himself. I was surprised that's who Kevin worked with for his Olympia comback after tearing his pec in 94'?
Palumbo says anything more than 4IU is a waste and 1000mg of test is the ideal dosage of test with a maximum of two compounds. We all know he took more than that, but did he let his clients know that? I mean whta if Kevin really did take your typical gym rat dosages? If that is true its a shame cause I heard Kev had some of the best hookups in the business, Munzer would be heartbroken for his lack of abuse with top quality pharma grade shit!
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I have a couple of his videos and I was watching "the final count down"....no homo
It reminded me of a time when I actually liked bodybuilding..I always enjoyed watching his interviews and watching his videos because he told the truth and didn't give a fuck about the political ramifications...you can't say that about ANYONE in the sport today...I respect the guy alot more now than I did when I was a kid...
Dude was all business.
BTW no homo...P.I.P SgtD...aka Shawn Ray's gimmick account.
I like the final countdown when he says ''don't waste your money on protein powders, go get a steak and a potato''
These 'athletes' today would be stoned to death for not pushing for protein powders.
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I like the final countdown when he says ''don't waste your money on protein powders, go get a steak and a potato''
These 'athletes' today would be stoned to death for not pushing for protein powders.
"If I had $20 in my pocket, Id rather buy some steak, some potatoes..."
"These are insurance policies"
Alq Gurley was right, Shawn Ray IS Mr. bodybuilding.
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I changed the title...
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Iwas ahuge Sean Rey fan, then I logged onto getbig... waste of a human being ...well half of one anyways..
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does Sasha still have an account here? maybe she can provide some insight on Shawn?
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Three pages and no one has posted a picture of Sasha yet?
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Iwas ahuge Sean Rey fan, then I logged onto getbig... waste of a human being ...well half of one anyways..
same with me and lee priest.
Went from my "idol"
To someone who begs his fans for money to compete ???