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How si this even a fucking question? dont you want ANY FREEDOM?
Senate Bill S 510 Food Safety Modernization Act vote imminent: Would outlaw gardening and saving seeds
Tuesday, November 16, 2010
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger
(NaturalNews) Senate Bill 510, the Food Safety Modernization Act, has been called "the most dangerous bill in the history of the United States of America." It would grant the U.S. government new authority over the public's right to grow, trade and transport any foods. This would give Big brother the power to regulate the tomato plants in your backyard. It would grant them the power to arrest and imprison people selling cucumbers at farmer's markets. It would criminalize the transporting of organic produce if you don't comply with the authoritarian rules of the federal government.
"It will become the most offensive authority against the cultivation, trade and consumption of food and agricultural products of one's choice. It will be unconstitutional and contrary to natural law or, if you like, the will of God." - Dr. Shiv Chopra, Canada Health whistleblower (http://shivchopra.com/?page_id=2)
This tyrannical law puts all food production (yes, even food produced in your own garden) under the authority of the Department of Homeland Security. Yep -- the very same people running the TSA and its naked body scanner / passenger groping programs.
This law would also give the U.S. government the power to arrest any backyard food producer as a felon (a "smuggler") for merely growing lettuce and selling it at a local farmer's market.
It also sells out U.S. sovereignty over our own food supply by ceding to the authority of both the World Trade Organization (WTO) and Codex Alimentarius.
It would criminalize seed saving (http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/20...), turning backyard gardeners who save heirloom seeds into common criminals. This is obviously designed to give corporations like Monsanto a monopoly over seeds.
It would create an unreasonable paperwork burden that would put small food producers out of business, resulting in more power over the food supply shifting to large multinational corporations.
I encourage you to read more about this dangerous bill at the Food Freedom blog on Wordpress: http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/20...
I guess it wont pass? but how does this question even get to the point of being a ...question?
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hammering in yellow bag
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Who are the motherfuckers that attached their names and sponsored this bill? I want answers...NOW!
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Who are the motherfuckers that attached their names and sponsored this bill? I want answers...NOW!
this is LUDACRIS lol.
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Not this bullshit Internet Meme Myth again. ::)
Swede, can you please delete this as you will just contribute to spreading false nonsense and the people here will certainly be dumb enough to believe it as fact.
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this is LUDACRIS lol.
I watched a documentary a couple weeks ago about farmers seeds being crossbred with seeds of large corporations and the farmers being sued over it...
I'm going to find out who introduced and sponsored this bill...I hope some crazies terminate them all...I'm very serious...people like this need to die in the name of freedom and it will send a message to any other greedy, evil fuck to think twice...
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Not this bullshit Internet Meme Myth again. ::)
Swede, can you please delete this as you will just contribute to spreading false nonsense and the people here will certainly be dumb enough to believe it as fact.
how is it a myth exactly?
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Not this bullshit Internet Meme Myth again. ::)
Swede, can you please delete this as you will just contribute to spreading false nonsense and the people here will certainly be dumb enough to believe it as fact.
So then what is the no-spin truth?
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this is LUDACRIS lol.
It's funny how often people (not just you) spell the word after the rapper rather than it's proper spelling.
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I watched a documentary a couple weeks ago about farmers seeds being crossbred with seeds of large corporations and the farmers being sued over it...
I'm going to find out who introduced and sponsored this bill...I hope some crazies terminate them all...I'm very serious...people like this need to die in the name of freedom and it will send a message to any other greedy, evil fuck to think twice...
I also heard something about that you're not allowed to re-seed the next year but that you Have to buy new ones each year, and if you dont, you can be sued or something lol. and you're Not allowed to use the seeds which your crops produces lol. somewhere in .....america ;D
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It's funny how often people (not just you) spell the word after the rapper rather than it's proper spelling.
How is the word spelled? I thpught he was called ludachris and chris was his name lol.
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Hmmm so if i grow a field of marijuana and say they just popped out... it would then be against the law for me or anyone in gov to cut them from my back yard?
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I also heard something about that you're not allowed to re-seed the next year but that you Have to buy new ones each year, and if you dont, you can be sued or something lol. and you're Not allowed to use the seeds which your crops produces lol. somewhere in .....america ;D
I love how easily you are fooled by such nonsense.
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I love how easily you are fooled by such nonsense.
I will prove it all with my 112 rep deadlift in a few minutes!
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if this is true - i am really shocked.
the amount of freedoms being stolen by hidden men in dark rooms for false reasons is astronomical.
civil war is the only recourse !
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So then what is the no-spin truth?
I`ve beaten this "topic" to death on the political board a year ago and proved to the semi-morons that they were easily fooled by myths and false hysteria and yet here it is again.
I`d be willing to re post everything if it will help you and the others from falling into the same trap of ignorance. Let me know.
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Adam are you going to tell us the truth about this bill?
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Start Here:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/organic.asp
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What would the purpose of this be? Why would this even be up for debate? Somehow I doubt this is for real..
Ludicrous
well it IS an actuall bill no?
im just a messenger haha
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I just threw up a little >:(
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I`ve beaten this "topic" to death on the political board a year ago and proved to the semi-morons that they were easily fooled by myths and false hysteria and yet here it is again.
I`d be willing to re post everything if it will help you and the others from falling into the same trap of ignorance. Let me know.
i would like this adonis.
i dream of one day retiring to a nice house in the country to grow various fruit and veg, and raise cattle.
this bill may put a dent in that dream :'(
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So then what is the no-spin truth?
the senate bill s 510 would give the FDA (food and drug administration) more power in issuing food recalls, and to allow for more frequent and stringent food inspection.
the controversial part of the bill is the part that EXEMPTS small businesses from these regulations.
so Swede was right, except for the parts where he confused the dept of homeland security with the FDA, and the part where the government barges in your backyard to stomp on your food with small time food producers being exempt from the rule.
i don't see how there's any conspiracy theories in any of this?
what swede posted is actually the exact opposite of what the bill's doing.
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I posted the entire text of the bill and also a Myth Vs. Fact regarding the bill on that HR 875 Scaremonger thread.
I can repost it here if you like.
Myth or Fact? A Bill in Congress Will Mean the End of Organic Farming
Debunking 6 viral myths about H.R. 875 – The Food Safety Modernization Act 0f 2009.
Myths and Facts: H.R. 875 – The Food Safety Modernization Act
MYTH: H.R. 875 "makes it illegal to grow your own garden" and would result in the "criminalization of the backyard gardener."
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would regulate, penalize, or shut down backyard gardens. This bill is focused on ensuring the safety of foods sold in supermarkets.
MYTH: H.R. 875 would mean a "goodbye to farmers markets" because the bill would "require such a burdensome complexity of rules, inspections, licensing, fees, and penalties for each farmer who wishes to sell locally - a fruit stand, at a farmers market."
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would result in farmers markets being regulated, penalized any fines, or shut down. Farmers markets would be able to continue to flourish under the bill. In fact, the bill would insist that imported foods meet strict safety standards to ensure that unsafe imported foods are not competing with locally-grown foods.
MYTH: H.R. 875 would result in the "death of organic farming."
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would stop organic farming. The National Organic Program (NOP) is under the jurisdiction of the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA). The Food Safety Modernization Act only addresses food safety issues under the jurisdiction of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
MYTH: The bill would implement a national animal ID system.
FACT: There is no language in the bill that would implement a national animal ID system. Animal identification issues are under the jurisdiction of the USDA. The Food Safety Modernization Act addresses issues under the jurisdiction of the FDA.
MYTH: The bill is supported by the large agribusiness industry.
FACT: No large agribusiness companies have expressed support for this bill. This bill is being supported by several Members of Congress who have strong progressive records on issues involving farmers markets, organic farming, and locally-grown foods (Barbara Lee, etc.). Also, H.R. 875 is the only food safety legislation that has been supported by all the major consumer and food safety groups, including:
Center for Foodborne Illness Research & Prevention
Center for Science in the Public Interest
Consumer Federation of America
Consumers Union
Food & Water Watch
The Pew Charitable Trusts
Safe Tables Our Priority
Trust for America’s Health
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thank you adam.
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The only ones that were fooled are the ones who voted for such an inept president "Obama"
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http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/would_a_new_bill_in_congress_make.html
Talk about Internet hysteria. This bill, H.R. 875, introduced by Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.), has sparked chain e-mails, blog postings and other exclamation-point-filled rants (like the one above), claiming that the legislation targets organic farmers, benefits manufacturers of genetically engineered seeds, and threatens to uproot backyard vegetable gardens across the country. It doesn't.
DeLauro introduced H.R. 875, called the Food Safety Modernization Act, on Feb. 4, and it was promptly referred to House committees. There's no indication as to when it may be brought to the floor for consideration, despite what some blog posts maintain. The stated purpose of the bill is “to establish an agency within the Department of Health and Human Services to be known as the 'Food Safety Administration,' " which would oversee food safety and labeling in the U.S., creating a single government entity in charge of preventing food-borne illnesses. DeLauro's press release announcing the legislation, introduced after the peanut butter salmonella outbreak in the U.S., said that “FDA would be split into an agency responsible for food safety (the Food Safety Administration) and another responsible for regulation of drugs and devices. This move creates an agency solely focused on protecting the public through better regulation of the food supply.”
The bill has 41 cosponsors and has been endorsed by major food and consumer safety organizations, including the Center for Science in the Public Interest, Consumer Federation of America, Consumers Union, Food & Water Watch, and The Pew Charitable Trusts. Food & Water Watch is a nonprofit organization that advocates for clean water and safe food and is headed by a woman who used to work for Public Citizen, the consumer group founded by Ralph Nader. It has posted a fact sheet on H.R. 875 on its site, disputing rumors about "food police."
The legislation stipulates that the new FSA (Food Safety Administration) would set safety regulations for food establishments and "food production facilities" and would be able to inspect such facilities. Its regulations also would pertain to imported foods. The e-mail posted above and others say that the definition of "food production facility" is so broad that it could include backyard gardens. The bill says: "The term 'food production facility' means any farm, ranch, orchard, vineyard, aquaculture facility, or confined animal-feeding operation." It seems quite a stretch to think that anyone's personal vegetable patch would be considered a "farm, ranch or orchard." First Lady Michelle Obama showed no signs of concern last week as she broke ground on a sizable 1,100-foot garden plot on the White House lawn. Organic, of course.
The e-mail above argues that DeLauro's bill "[e]ffectively criminalizes organic farming but doesn't actually use the word organic." We're not sure how exactly a bill would criminalize something it doesn't mention, but the e-mail is correct in that the word "organic" is nowhere to be found. Another Internet posting more alarmingly claims: "Bill will require organic farms to use specific fertilizers and poisonous insect sprays dictated by the newly formed agency to 'make sure there is no danger to the public food supply.' " But the quoted phrase isn't in this bill. Nor is there any mention of chemical versus organic fertilizers or "poisonous insect sprays," or, for that matter, pesticides in general.
The only mention of fertilizers we could find was this, requiring that the FSA create regulations to: "include, with respect to growing, harvesting, sorting, and storage operations, minimum standards related to fertilizer use, nutrients, hygiene, packaging, temperature controls, animal encroachment, and water." The idea that "fertilizer use" would not include organic fertilizers is pure speculation well beyond what the legislation calls for.
Also, organic farming is regulated by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, under its "National Organic Program," not the FDA.
And It Gets Even More Hysterical
E-mails and blog postings claim that the agricultural giant Monsanto will benefit greatly from the bill; some say the often-protested company was the main lobbyist, and still others say DeLauro's husband "works for Monsanto." He doesn't.
DeLauro's spouse, Stanley Greenberg, is chairman and CEO of Greenberg-Quinlan Research Inc., a public issues research and polling firm. The company does surveys. And public relations work. Monsanto was one of the firm's clients. Greenberg is a pollster, not a lobbyist or a Monsanto employee, and he just released a memoir on his life as a pollster to five world leaders, including Bill Clinton and Nelson Mandela.
Also, there is nothing in the bill about "GPS tracking" of animals, as the e-mail above states, and not a peep about "seed banking."
Small Farm Concern
Small farmers, however, may well have concerns about this bill. Food & Water Watch's fact sheet acknowledges that there's always a worry that government regulation of food production will adversely affect small farms, which can't absorb the possible costs of abiding by regulation as easily as big food producers can. "The dilemma of how to regulate food safety in a way that prevents problems caused by industrialized agriculture but doesn’t wipe out small diversified farms is not new and is not easily solved," the site says. It goes on to say that other bills, not H.R. 875, that have been introduced could create problems for small operations, such as one that requires electronic record-keeping and registration fees with the FDA.
Another group called the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund, which supports "sustainable farming and direct farm-to-consumer transactions," raises several concerns about DeLauro's legislation and how it could affect small farms and in particular, producers of raw milk, which the FDA has declared to be unfit for consumption. But the group states that "much of what has circulated the internet is not accurate," and nowhere in its criticism of the legislation does it say organic farming would be outlawed or home gardeners would face regulations.
We suppose in the grand realm of all that's possible, or more likely a futuristic B movie, federal bureaucrats could decide that public safety calls for inspections of every backyard garden in the nation, leading everyday citizens to surreptitiously cultivate tomato plants in a closet with a sunlamp, lest they get busted by the cops. But we kinda doubt it.
– by Lori Robertson
Full disclosure: The author has an organic vegetable garden.
Sources
111th Congress, 1st session. H.R. 875.
Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn). “DeLauro Assails Full-Scale Breakdown of Food Safety System and Introduces New FDA Reform Legislation,” press release, 4 Feb. 2009.
Food & Water Watch. Background on H.R. 875, accessed 26 March 2009.
Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund. HR 875 – The Federal Take-Over of Food Regulation, 13 March 2009.
Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund. Flawed Food Safety Bills in Congress, accessed 26 March 2009.
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didnt even read the text lol.
I dont care That much and the title was enough haha
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thats not me
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Says the guy who posted some fake bullshit spam email.
Would you like me to post some factual things pot head?
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Would you like me to post some factual things pot head?
Do you think an American should have the right to grow whatever plant they want on their own property? If not, why?
Personally, I think they should be allowed and able to, but I bet you don`t. ;)
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Do you think an American should have the right to grow whatever plant they want on their own property? If not, why?
Personally, I think they should be allowed and able to, but I bet you don`t. ;)
Well if wifes/ex wifes grew on tree's, Coach would have a whole garden full of them
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Do you think an American should have the right to grow whatever plant they want on their own property? If not, why?
Personally, I think they should be allowed and able to, but I bet you don`t. ;)
We've gone over this......I have no problem what someone does in their home.
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We've gone over this......I have no problem what someone does in their home.
You don`t want them to be able to smoke Marijuana in their own home or have gay sex. So I don`t understand your above statement. ???
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You don't understand it because I've never said it.
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this misinformation/scaretactics do piss me off, epic time waste
dont know who to really beleive except to just go outside and "take a look" for myself and judge my city
in durham i estimate about 70-80 percent of people are at home every single day if not more and might work 20 hours max for those that do work. in america we are lucky to get a lot of free shit no doubt, even us hardworkers
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So this "fake" bill just passed in senate today?(or a week ago) what does that mean?
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So this "fake" bill just passed in senate today?(or a week ago) what does that mean?
It sure did. But they did put provisions that are supposed to protect local and small farms.....of course the big corporate farms are shitting over that. Fuck em, I'll grow whatever the hell I want to. ;D
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I don't believe they could enforce such a bill, if it really does regulates what food you can grow in your back yard
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so what was the myth everyone was bashing me for?
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so what was the myth everyone was bashing me for?
Many on here are idiots Swede......sign of our piss poor public education system.
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so what was the myth everyone was bashing me for?
In the meantime, in Sweden: :)
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you had a pretty good run, bye bye Europe!
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I`ve beaten this "topic" to death on the political board a year ago and proved to the semi-morons that they were easily fooled by myths and false hysteria and yet here it is again.
I`d be willing to re post everything if it will help you and the others from falling into the same trap of ignorance. Let me know.
I have to admit i fell for this. I saw it for the first time about 2 weeks ago but didn't research it. I can understand how Bill Maher now saying the internet makes us dumber. A powerful tool if used correctly, but can also be used to spread ignorance and hysteria at blinding speeds.