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Rampage destroys Machida. Well, this just confirms what I always knew: most of the UFC's best fighters are from PRIDE. Anderson Silva, Sogun and Rampage. If either Fedor or Overeem went to the UFC, the heavyweight champion would also be from PRIDE.
Today MMA is completely living of PRIDE's former glory. The day when the last PRIDE fighters retire, MMA will have nothing but a bunch of cans and old man left (Couture).
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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When did Rampage destroy Machida?
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When did Rampage destroy Machida?
He did yesterday.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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If only a UFC board existed on getbig...
I think that's around the 8th time i've posted a similar comment to that by the way lol
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He did yesterday.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
haha he didn't even hurt Machida. I like Rampage but lost that fight. Machida almost had him KO'd in the 3rd.
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During it's peak Pride simply paid more money and treated fighters better. That's why a lot of guys that did well in the UFC went to Pride like Kerr, Wanderlie Silva, Coleman and others. I use to know Ricco Rodriguez when he was living in California and training at Machado Jiu-Jitsu at the same time I was. He said that in Japan he was like a big celeb. Everyone knew who he was. I didn't ask if he partook in the young Japanese poon that is so plentiful there. He was quite a player and partier and I'm sure some of those school girls in their plaid skirts and white socks pulled up to the knees had a taste of the massive Rican.
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He did yesterday.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
you're an idiot.
even jackson said he lost that fight.
fuck you're dumb.
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you're an idiot.
even jackson said he lost that fight.
fuck you're dumb.
A loss is a loss, turd. Machida lost. Deal with it. And cry me a river.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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you're an idiot.
even jackson said he lost that fight.
fuck you're dumb.
I thought it was close but I had the win for Machida. It appears Rampage did as well. I don't think any on his team, and Dana White as well, appreciated the fact that Rampage said he got his ass kick and wants to give Machida a rematch. It makes the organization look bad when even the winner implied very strongly that he felt he lost. It also puts pressure on the UFC org to make it happen and they sure as hell don't like to be told what to do.
It's the general consensus that Rampage was declared the winner because he was more aggressive. The judged seem not to appreciate the kind of fighter that Machida is. He's a counter striker and one of his strengths is how elusive he is as he slips in and out of the pocket. He's not the type to just bull dog his way in. One of the biggest problems with the UFC, and Dana White has said it before, its the incompetent judging and their lack of knowledge when it comes to MMA.
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I thought it was close but I had the win for Machida. It appears Rampage did as well. I don't think any on his team, and Dana White as well, appreciated the fact that Rampage said he got his ass kick and wants to give Machida a rematch. It makes the organization look bad when even the winner implied very strongly that he felt he lost. It also puts pressure on the UFC org to make it happen and they sure as hell don't like to be told what to do.
It's the general consensus that Rampage was declared the winner because he was more aggressive. The judged seem not to appreciate the kind of fighter that Machida is. He's a counter striker and one of his strengths is how elusive he is as he slips in and out of the pocket. He's not the type to just bull dog his way in. One of the biggest problems with the UFC, and Dana White has said it before, its the incompetent judging and their lack of knowledge when it comes to MMA.
It doesen't matter. The bottom line is that Machida lost. In MMA, fights that go to decisions are settled by judges, and they gave it to Rampage. Deal with it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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It doesen't matter. The bottom line is that Machida lost. In MMA, fights that go to decisions are settled by judges, and they gave it to Rampage. Deal with it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
lol you act as if it's a hard pill to swallow, bro. No one's making a big deal either way. Rampage confides that it was a close, surprising call and he gave Machida a lot more respect. He EARNED a lot more respect for being an excellent sport. Garnered very much respect from myself for instance. Before the fight he was already down playing Machida's style and excusing his loss in advance. During the post-fight interview he said he respects Machida's fighting style a lot more, doesn't think it's entertaining (which it's not) but it certainly wins fights. Definitely gets the nod of approval and I'm glad he's not opposed to a rubber band match.
He really spoke well afterwards and I give him a lot of credit. There were a lot of unanswered questions. Never thought the two would have met in a non-title match though. Rua's win really shook things up. Can't wait to see the next few fights in that division. Finally some excitement. It was getting stale like the fucking HW division which finally has some savage fucking talent for once. But the WEC's amalgamation and the new divisions are going to make the tiny titted classes fucking full to the brim with talent. UFC is doing amazingly well. I'm still loving all the FEG promotions... K1, Dream and to a lesser extent the co promotions like SGR. The 2009 New Years event was arguably the best MMA event I ever witnessed. Every single fight was amazingly entertaining, and that's not the Japanese MMA fanboy in me being bias either. It's an exciting time for MMA again.
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Rampage destroys Machida. Well, this just confirms what I always knew: most of the UFC's best fighters are from PRIDE. Anderson Silva, Sogun and Rampage. If either Fedor or Overeem went to the UFC, the heavyweight champion would also be from PRIDE. Today MMA is completely living of PRIDE's former glory. The day when the last PRIDE fighters retire, MMA will have nothing but a bunch of cans and old man left(Couture).
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Split decision doesn't = destruction
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It doesen't matter. The bottom line is that Machida lost. In MMA, fights that go to decisions are settled by judges, and they gave it to Rampage. Deal with it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Jeeze! Calm down, spine breaker. Machida lost and you never heard me complain. I get it and have no problems with it as it was very close. Not like when Machida was declared the winner the first time against Rua. I don't think it was an especially bad call. But it was not without controversy and that does matter. There has been bad calls in all sports and it does matter. If you get enough of them something is done. This case with Rampage was not egregious but everyone recognizes that judging is a problem in the UFC and as pressure builds changes will happen.
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lol you act as if it's a hard pill to swallow, bro. No one's making a big deal either way. Rampage confides that it was a close, surprising call and he gave Machida a lot more respect. He EARNED a lot more respect for being an excellent sport. Garnered very much respect from myself for instance. Before the fight he was already down playing Machida's style and excusing his loss in advance. During the post-fight interview he said he respects Machida's fighting style a lot more, doesn't think it's entertaining (which it's not) but it certainly wins fights. Definitely gets the nod of approval and I'm glad he's not opposed to a rubber band match.
He really spoke well afterwards and I give him a lot of credit. There were a lot of unanswered questions. Never thought the two would have met in a non-title match though. Rua's win really shook things up. Can't wait to see the next few fights in that division. Finally some excitement. It was getting stale like the fucking HW division which finally has some savage fucking talent for once. But the WEC's amalgamation and the new divisions are going to make the tiny titted classes fucking full to the brim with talent. UFC is doing amazingly well. I'm still loving all the FEG promotions... K1, Dream and to a lesser extent the co promotions like SGR. The 2009 New Years event was arguably the best MMA event I ever witnessed. Every single fight was amazingly entertaining, and that's not the Japanese MMA fanboy in me being bias either. It's an exciting time for MMA again.
There are times when you show a burst of brilliance. Great post!
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During it's peak Pride simply paid more money and treated fighters better. That's why a lot of guys that did well in the UFC went to Pride like Kerr, Wanderlie Silva, Coleman and others. I use to know Ricco Rodriguez when he was living in California and training at Machado Jiu-Jitsu at the same time I was. He said that in Japan he was like a big celeb. Everyone knew who he was. I didn't ask if he partook in the young Japanese poon that is so plentiful there. He was quite a player and partier and I'm sure some of those school girls in their plaid skirts and white socks pulled up to the knees had a taste of the massive Rican.
Words cannot describe how gay this sounds 8)
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Words cannot describe how gay this sounds 8)
Don't care for Japanese school girls, eh? I understand. Props being able to find the gay in everything.
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No, it just sounds like you had your white socks pulled up for a taste of the "massive rican".
A non gay man should never speak about another man with such brutally gay alliteration.
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I just remember when UFC's best fighter and undefeated Royce Gracie went to Pride and lost.
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Anderson Silva wasn't really a "PRIDE guy" per se
he had less than a handful of fights there (including that "work" against Ryo Chonan)
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You are kidding - Rampage beat Machida on Saturday night??? What were the judges thinking? Obviously, Machida is gaining strength and kicking some ass on Rampage in Round 3. Rampage was lucky.
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Rampage looked a beaten man as he awaited the official verdict (29-28, 29-28, 28-29) and his shock was clear for all to see when his hand was raised in victory. His aggression in the opening two rounds earned him a slender win over The Dragon, despite being comprehensively outclassed in the third period.
Jackson said: "I think my aggressiveness was the only thing that earned me a decision because Machida whooped my ass tonight.
"That fight was so close, it was unfair for Machida. Even though I don't want to, I have to give him a rematch." Machida, as predicted, seemed content to dance his way around the Octagon and landed leg and body kicks at will.
Jackson charged those strikes in an attempt to land counter punches but few landed significantly. But Machida lost the fight in the clinch. On quite a few occasions the fighters would tie up against the cage, Machida would work to over-under, turn Rampage against the fence and then do... nothing!
If he had tried his luck with knees or even foot stomps he could have turned one of those 28 scores to a 29 but he just seemed content to hold Rampage. The third round was the only one with a clear winner as the Brazilian appeared to rock Jackson with strikes before taking him down, working to mount and attempting an arm bar.
But Rampage — who hasn't been submitted in almost a decade — worked his way on top and attempted to slam him. Machida wisely chose to abandon the submission attempt rather than suffer a potentially concussive landing.
After the fight Rampage suggested an immediate rematch which in sporting terms makes sense — it was a razor thin decision — but from a fan perspective does not. This bout, while having huge implications for the division, was hardly a barn burner saved by the last round's action, and UFC boss Dana White doesn't seem too keen on a rematch either.
I'm not sure that Rampage should face the winner of Mauricio Rua and Rashad Evans for the light heavyweight belt either. That match is a long time coming and Jackson may want to capitalise on this win and the 're-invention' of his fighting style with another bout in the interim.
He still showed that he's susceptible to kicks and a Muay Thai supremo like Rua would have a field day chopping away at his legs over 25 minutes. But overall it was a big improvement on his performances from recent times. It's back to the drawing board for Machida though.
He could have beaten Jackson over five rounds but he failed to set up his game plan accordingly to end the bout in the required three. Was he too cautious? Too timid? Too respectful? Only Machida knows but he certainly took too long to get going on Saturday.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/ufc/3240181/Hardly-a-Rampage-into-contention.html
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I just remember when UFC's best fighter and undefeated Royce Gracie went to Pride and lost.
and crocop came to UFC and lost
And Wand came to ufc and lost etc etc.
and Fabricio Werdum came to ufc and lost
Pride was more fun though hehe.
And as mentioned. they paid better and got treated better at first so no wonder why they went to pride =) No one dislikes pride not dana or anyone so I dont understand what the thread is trying to prove lol.
And there are alot of new talent on the rising in the types of bones joens etc. Long limbs wrestling background is gonna be the standard to come
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Rampage destroys Machida.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
What a tosser, obvously u never watched the fight and just looked up the result somewhere then pretended to everyone youre a massive UFC fan ;D
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and crocop came to UFC and lost
And Wand came to ufc and lost etc etc.
and Fabricio Werdum came to ufc and lost
Pride was more fun though hehe.
And as mentioned. they paid better and got treated better at first so no wonder why they went to pride =) No one dislikes pride not dana or anyone so I dont understand what the thread is trying to prove lol.
And there are alot of new talent on the rising in the types of bones joens etc. Long limbs wrestling background is gonna be the standard to come
Yeah, but they were all past their primes...Royce wasn't.
Anyway I agree that Pride paid better and treated them better at first. I really liked Don Frye, he went to Pride and was great..I still remember his fight with that chinese guy.
I haeve nothing against UFC though, its great too, but I liked Pride better.
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You are kidding - Rampage beat Machida on Saturday night??? What were the judges thinking? Obviously, Machida is gaining strength and kicking some ass on Rampage in Round 3. Rampage was lucky.
Thanks Ron for clearing that up..
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Rampage destroys Machida. Well, this just confirms what I always knew: most of the UFC's best fighters are from PRIDE. Anderson Silva, Sogun and Rampage. If either Fedor or Overeem went to the UFC, the heavyweight champion would also be from PRIDE.
Today MMA is completely living of PRIDE's former glory. The day when the last PRIDE fighters retire, MMA will have nothing but a bunch of cans and old man left (Couture).
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I watched the fight and in my opinion no one destroyed the other one. to be honest I don't think it was a good fight. I suspect that both of the fighters have lost some of the edge. :)
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A loss is a loss, turd. Machida lost. Deal with it. And cry me a river.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
your the one smelling up the place.
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Yeah, but they were all past their primes...Royce wasn't.
Anyway I agree that Pride paid better and treated them better at first. I really liked Don Frye, he went to Pride and was great..I still remember his fight with that chinese guy.
I haeve nothing against UFC though, its great too, but I liked Pride better.
I did not really consider Royce a Pride fighter. He fought in only two tournaments: the Grand Prix in 2000 and a grudge match against Yoshida in 2003. He fought in another Japanese production, K1/Dynamite, I think around 3 times. But that's it. He was not a vary active fighter at all. Truth be told, the Gracies were a pain in the ass to deal with. They always insisted on special rules and exceptions. If you remember, the Grand Prix, an elimination tournament, everyone had to follow the same rules except Royce. He was allowed to wear a gi and granted no time limit matches as well as premium pay. There were also other special rules such as no head butts and the like but I don't know the details of that. Rickson was the same way though the Japanese were far more willing to jump through hoops to get him in the ring. But even that wasn't enough. Rickson was very particular as to who he would fight despite his claims that he doesn't choose his fights. LOL! Rickson was the only one in Japan who could pick and choose his opponents. The Japs were so desperate that they even paid him a million dollars to fight Funaki. After that they decide not to put up with his demands and he never fought again. Same with Royce and all the rest of the Gracies. Their luster was fading and they were going to be treated as just another fighter. The Gracie's pay scale in Japan took a big dive after that and the idea of special rules was not even considered.
By the time Royce return to the UFC he was already 40 yrs. old and way past his prime. It wouldn't have mattered anyway because. He was a first generation American MMA fighter who never evolved. Just pure Jiu-Jitsu which didn't cut it anymore when he faced Matt Hughes, a second generation MMA fighter.
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Truth be told, Royce was never a great fighter or a great athlete compared to what Brasil had to offer at the time. You could have randomly pick any Brasilian fighting in Vale Tudo at the time and they would have been much more dominate. These guys were born and bred fighting in no rules, bare fisted, no weight limits fights competing against other equally trained highly conditioned athletes that knew all the tricks. Royce MMA experience consisted of closed door in house fights with the various tools from traditional martial arts who had no clue and very little, if any, real life fighting experience. Even high level blue belts would send these karate masters choked out on the mat wondering what the hell happened.
Royce was simply at the right place at the right time and owes everything to his older brother Rorion. Who, as a bit of behind the scenes gossip, ditched Royce pretty quick when his, Rorion's, sons grew up and his focus turned to them. Royce was "eased" out of teaching duties at the academy and he even had to return the SUV he was driving as it was technically a company car and Royce was "no longer with the company." Rorion is a pretty ruthless businessman and seems to have no qualms even when it came to blood. I remember when he threatened to sue his brother, Rickson, when Rickson started his own school which was called "Gracie Jiu-Jitsu." Rorion claims a patent to that name and we had to promptly change it to "Rickson Gracie Jiu-Jitsu." Um, OK, fair enough, "brother."
Rorion has also been involved in other law suits with family members. He feels that, as his father brought their brand of Jiu-Jitsu to Brasil, he brought Jiu-Jitsu to the world. And he did. He single handedly changed the face of martial arts throughout the world. If it wasn't for him we would have had none of what we see today. Rorion seems bitter that the world doesn't bow down to him and, more importantly, give him a cut from their success that he feels he spawned. I guess I'd be bitter too if I sold a promotion that would turn into a billion dollar industry.
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I guess I'd be bitter too if I sold a promotion that would turn into a billion dollar industry.
This line is stupid though Pellius. It wouldnt have if he still had it.. Its all because of dana and the brothers.. So thinking like that is stupid imo.
would he have been ok with weightclasses, 5 min rounds, bunch of rules etc etc. And thats even besides the point would he have come up with "the ultimate fighter" etc.
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This line is stupid though Pellius. It wouldnt have if he still had it.. Its all because of dana and the brothers.. So thinking like that is stupid imo.
would he have been ok with weightclasses, 5 min rounds, bunch of rules etc etc. And thats even besides the point would he have come up with "the ultimate fighter" etc.
Stupid is a bit strong, my friend. You're right that what made the UFC the UFC is because of Dana. When Rorion sold the UFC it was going the WWF route and losing credibility. Dana legitimized the sport. But Rorion started it and if he could go back in time and he knew now what he knows today he would have made any concessions necessary if he could be in Dana's shoes today.
And that applies to pretty much anybody. If we all had the gift of foresight we would have done many things differently. Just put yourself in Rorion's shoes. He's not even a player in the sport he created and the new generation hardly even know who he is. Wouldn't you have regrets? You don't think he has regrets? We all like to think we will be ideologically pure all the way to the bitter end (Rorion's goal at the time was to promote Gracie Jiu-Jitsu and keep the matches as close to a real street fight as possible) but when reality smacks you in the face, and especially when you can make more of an impact by compromising some of you beliefs, or in his case, hopes, then things take on a different perspective. And since Rorion was all about money and power, my experience with him was that he would have had no problem instigating those rules if he could have seen into the future. It would have been an easy trade off for him and he have suffered no sleepless nights.
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What a tosser, obvously u never watched the fight and just looked up the result somewhere then pretended to everyone youre a massive UFC fan ;D
No, I do get that shit on cable since it's the only thing we have now that PRIDE isn't around anymore. You are right about one thing, though: I am definitely not an UFC fan.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Stupid is a bit strong, my friend. You're right that what made the UFC the UFC is because of Dana. When Rorion sold the UFC it was going the WWF route and losing credibility. Dana legitimized the sport. But Rorion started it and if he could go back in time and he knew now what he knows today he would have made any concessions necessary if he could be in Dana's shoes today.
Yeah but being mad over selling something that Wouldn't have been worth a billion dollar if you stil had it is stupid..
"could go back in time" well, we all could have mad millions then ;D
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Yeah but being mad over selling something that Wouldn't have been worth a billion dollar if you stil had it is stupid..
"could go back in time" well, we all could have mad millions then ;D
Perhaps something is lost in the translation but I don't think I ever said that Rorion was mad but that he simply had regrets. To be in a position that Dana White is in, the figure head and primary mover and shaker in the world of MMA, is something Rorion would relish. If given another chance he would have definitely done things differently and made the needed concessions.
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Not sure what is said above but Rorian trademarked 'Gracie Jiu-Jitsu" meaning no one could use the name. What he ended up doing was charging family members $5000 for the use per year I think it was. After 3 or 5 years they no longer had to pay to use the name. That is how I remember it. Also, Rorian was forced to sell the UFC basically cause he didn't have the money to keep it. My friend bankrolled it till it ended up ebing to much of a legal nightmare. And when that happens they go after the person with the money. Also, the format had to change to be able to be successful like it is today. Rorian formatted the UFC to favor Gracie Jiu-Jitsu and basically tried to make it as rules-free as possible. Everything you see today is from the markeitng of the sport and how it changed to accomadate what was required by the athletic commissions in each state in order to even put on fights. If it stayed the way it was when Rorian started it, it would be nowhere like it is today. Rorian as much as a businessman he was, was not smart enough to keep a portion of it no matter what or how much.
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You are kidding - Rampage beat Machida on Saturday night??? What were the judges thinking? Obviously, Machida is gaining strength and kicking some ass on Rampage in Round 3. Rampage was lucky.
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Liddell has the best idea yet .. the judges.. all of them .. need to be together and go over how they rated past fights and come to some kind of conclusion that will keep things more equal across the board .. but then again .. I reckon the "judges" are all the same in any instance .. they have their own perception of things .. I bet in more than one fight if the judges were changed the outcome would've been different
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Not sure what is said above but Rorian trademarked 'Gracie Jiu-Jitsu" meaning no one could use the name. What he ended up doing was charging family members $5000 for the use per year I think it was. After 3 or 5 years they no longer had to pay to use the name. That is how I remember it. Also, Rorian was forced to sell the UFC basically cause he didn't have the money to keep it. My friend bankrolled it till it ended up ebing to much of a legal nightmare. And when that happens they go after the person with the money. Also, the format had to change to be able to be successful like it is today. Rorian formatted the UFC to favor Gracie Jiu-Jitsu and basically tried to make it as rules-free as possible. Everything you see today is from the markeitng of the sport and how it changed to accomadate what was required by the athletic commissions in each state in order to even put on fights. If it stayed the way it was when Rorian started it, it would be nowhere like it is today. Rorian as much as a businessman he was, was not smart enough to keep a portion of it no matter what or how much.
I didn't know that Rorion was forced to sell. He claimed at the time that they wanted to change the rules, especially the not time limit rules and he wasn't going for it. Your version makes a lot of sense.