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Title: Question regarding cardio
Post by: meathead23 on November 26, 2010, 02:05:14 AM
When looking to become really lean, I understand diet is the most important factor by far. My question is for those who prefer low intensity cardio (over a longer period of time vs. high intensity/short periods). Basically how many calories approx. do you aim to burn each session of cardio? Ballpark figures..
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: tallgerman on November 26, 2010, 02:09:24 AM
The machine says 200 or so, and I am sure running is much more for same 30min

Which is was like two bites of ice cream? 2 eggs?
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: LatsMcGee on November 26, 2010, 02:11:08 AM
Fuck counting calories and cardio.  Get on the anabolic diet, lift weights, and bang women.  You will be in good shape.  Cardio sucks. 
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: tallgerman on November 26, 2010, 02:11:42 AM
(http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/demotivational-posters-burning-calories.jpg)

what the hell is the anabolic diet?
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: LatsMcGee on November 26, 2010, 02:14:19 AM
(http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/demotivational-posters-burning-calories.jpg)

what the hell is the anabolic diet?

There is a long ass thread about it in the Nutrition section,  go give it a looksie stripling....
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: DK II on November 26, 2010, 02:17:15 AM
Fuck counting calories and cardio.  Get on the anabolic diet, lift weights, and bang women.  You will be in good shape.  Cardio sucks. 

I agree on the calorie counting.

As for cardio, i do HIIT cardio (warmup, then 12-15min of 1min very high intensity, 1min high intensity) 3-4 times a week, that's sufficient.
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: PJim on November 26, 2010, 02:20:25 AM
Walk the dog more often.
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: tallgerman on November 26, 2010, 02:50:39 AM
There is a long ass thread about it in the Nutrition section,  go give it a looksie stripling....

looks like a total pain in the ass http://stronglifts.com/anabolic-diet-101-the-definite-anabolic-diet-guide/
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: DK II on November 26, 2010, 02:58:33 AM
looks like a total pain in the ass http://stronglifts.com/anabolic-diet-101-the-definite-anabolic-diet-guide/

Not as much as you are.
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: littleguns on November 26, 2010, 04:27:15 AM
When I compete, I have always used the longer, slow intensity. I will generally start at 20 minutes 3.5-4mph then work up to 45 minutes changing the treadmill incline throughout the workout.

I have never counted/watched calories, mirror, pictures and clothes are my gage......
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: e.coli on November 26, 2010, 05:05:20 AM
Cardio is very very important. Not only for lose fat but especially when you have a lot of muscle, you need cardio for your heart. A good heart rate = good performance in the gym. (good squat, deadlift ) better recoveries and muscle will grow faster.

Most of bodybuilder are to lazy to do cardio for their heart but that's wrong. Best bodybuilder, will do cardio for the heart.


Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: Meso_z on November 26, 2010, 05:08:49 AM
When looking to become really lean, I understand diet is the most important factor by far. My question is for those who prefer low intensity cardio (over a longer period of time vs. high intensity/short periods). Basically how many calories approx. do you aim to burn each session of cardio? Ballpark figures..

personally i dont aim for a specific amount of calories to burn. dont waste your time with such useless details...
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: Stark on November 26, 2010, 06:16:47 AM
Not as much as you are.

outed ;D

My vote goes for the anabolic diet - Cardio HIIT
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: dj181 on November 26, 2010, 09:18:12 AM
"When looking to become lean diet is the most important factor by far." Bullshit! HIIT and AT cardio is the most important factor by far!
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: JP_RC on November 26, 2010, 09:33:52 AM
"When looking to become lean diet is the most important factor by far." Bullshit! HIIT and AT cardio is the most important factor by far!

I disagree.

You can do all the HIIT or Low intensity cardio you want, if you're still not burning more than taking in you won't lose fat.

On other hand, you can get lean with diet and weight training alone and no cardio.
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: dj181 on November 26, 2010, 10:21:04 AM
And I disagree with you, HIIT transforms one into a literal machine, and gives one a license to sin (aka eat a shit diet) and still get shredded. Very similar to what gh15 says about gh giving one the ability to shread without dieting, but in a natural training induced way. I'm doing this now, and the fat is just melting off of me, and maybe I will even post some before and after pics here on this site ;D I started at over 15% a few weeks ago, and I'm totally confident that I will be sub-7 with added muscle mass within 6 to 8 weeks time.
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: JP_RC on November 26, 2010, 10:31:41 AM
That's great if it works for you in that way, but for me it doesn't. I did HIIT, sprints, etc before while not watching my diet and did not lose any fat.....while I've lost fat by dieting alone and no cardio.

I guess its an individual thing.
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: dj181 on November 26, 2010, 11:02:45 AM
Yeah man, maybe so. I did the diet and no cardio thing for awhile, and it didn't do sh!t for me, so maybe it is an individual thing.
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: johnnynoname on November 26, 2010, 11:07:21 AM
When looking to become really lean, I understand diet is the most important factor by far. My question is for those who prefer low intensity cardio (over a longer period of time vs. high intensity/short periods). Basically how many calories approx. do you aim to burn each session of cardio? Ballpark figures..

i think many of the responses in this thread have pretty much summed up that looking at the "Calories burned" meter on a treadmill isn't really the way to go in terms of energy expenditure

switch to some sort of Short duration/ High intensity training (ie HITT, Tabata)
work AS HARD AS YOU CAN during the "Spring" intervals
eat clean
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: Lundgren on November 26, 2010, 11:13:16 AM
Why the fuck would you skip cardio, fuck what's the point of looking good, if you ain't got the endurance to fuck, or work a real job, or even fucking play a game of sports. This is the wierd as shit I don't get about natttie bodybuilders, your not prepared to actually do anything that will make you healthy.
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: tbombz on November 26, 2010, 11:17:32 AM
And I disagree with you, HIIT transforms one into a literal machine, and gives one a license to sin (aka eat a shit diet) and still get shredded. Very similar to what gh15 says about gh giving one the ability to shread without dieting, but in a natural training induced way. I'm doing this now, and the fat is just melting off of me, and maybe I will even post some before and after pics here on this site ;D I started at over 15% a few weeks ago, and I'm totally confident that I will be sub-7 with added muscle mass within 6 to 8 weeks time.
Theres some truth to this. Sprints work good. And it's a much better idea to keep calories high and burn off fat through exercise, that way you don't experience any metabolic slow down and won't experience any rebound fat gain either. Not everybody could eat garbage and get lean through lots of card, but certainly everyone can eat a normal diet and get ripped with the extra card.
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: dj181 on November 26, 2010, 11:57:29 AM
Good post tbombz, and I hate to say this, but... Lundgrenisgod made a quality post as well
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: Meso_z on November 26, 2010, 12:03:07 PM
Good post tbombz, and I hate to say this, but... Lundgrenisgod made a quality post as well
whats an example of high intensity training? im not familiar with this method at all..
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: dj181 on November 26, 2010, 12:08:02 PM
There are a few high-intensity cardio methods, one is HIIT with is basically interval training with a work to rest ratio, say 1 min hard and 1 min easy. And there ir also AT training, which is where you keep up a high level of effort for a prolonged amount of time, usually for 12 to 20 min
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: LatsMcGee on November 26, 2010, 08:28:19 PM
Why the fuck would you skip cardio, fuck what's the point of looking good, if you ain't got the endurance to fuck, or work a real job, or even fucking play a game of sports. This is the wierd as shit I don't get about natttie bodybuilders, your not prepared to actually do anything that will make you healthy.

Nope,  Why spin on a bike all day that goes no where when you can go outside and swim at the beach, ride your bike in the park,  get out of the house.  Nobody said anything about not being active. 
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: tbombz on November 26, 2010, 09:57:48 PM
whats an example of high intensity training? im not familiar with this method at all..
I know of two ways of doing it: running sprints and bicycle sprints.

In both methods, you sprint as fast and hard as you possibly can for a short amount of time. At first you may only 10-15 seconds at a time. Later on if you keep doing it regularlyyou might be doing a minute or more of straight sprinting( more likely to happen on the bicycle). In between sprints, walk or pedal slowly for a one to two minutes. Keep repeating the cycle back and forth back and forth continuously for 10-15 minutes at first.. Might work up to 30 minutes or more over time.

It's a great way to burn fat and get your legs/cardiovascular system in shape. 
Title: Re: Question regarding cardio
Post by: dj181 on November 27, 2010, 06:22:06 AM
I will say this, ANYBODY who does HIIT by running/sprinting IS an absolute BEAST! HIIT on a stationary bike is rough, but doing it by running/sprinting... OH FUCK! As a side note, I did dat shit by running "repeats" while on the track team in high school, so I say this from personal experience.