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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: makaveli25 on December 04, 2010, 10:37:14 PM
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Anyone try taking 10 mg of dbol in the morning during pct? From the research that I've done you realease a spike of testerone in the morning. The small dose of dbol isn't enough to make you have another spike so it wouldn't shut you down. The positive effects would be a huge decrease of cortisol and an increase in igf-1 and nitrogen retention. I was thinking about doing a 4 week pct and then maybe doing the 10mg dbol for a bridge. Anyone try this?
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sounds a little bro-sciencey
but maybe it does work well
eveyone is so different, with steroids, some guys get shut down on a low dose........some guy can knock a girl up on a gram a week.,............some can take a little shit and they get gyno and their hair fall out........other top pros who use 10 times that amount, experience no sides
i dont have an answer to this , but my point is ..........steroid effects have a very "black box" quality..............1 + 1 = 2 for some people on gear, 1 + 1 = 4 for others
very individualized
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Although I've done a bunch of random shit over the years, I really don't have the experience to tell you for sure. That being said, I think you should consider being totally off between cycles.
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Pct is meant to help recover faster...why in the world would you take something else that would shut u down?
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That's an old theory and that was only based on bro-science and is not correct, you wont recover and it's no wonder since you will still be on.
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That's an old theory and that was only based on bro-science and is not correct, you wont recover and it's no wonder since you will still be on.
agree, just come off, use clomid and hcg or at least hcg
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Im taking 25 mg of clomid and alpha sustain don't know if any of you have heard of it. This is my first week off. I feel lethargic and tired. I miss having that test running through me. Really helped with mood!
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Anyone try taking 10 mg of dbol in the morning during pct? From the research that I've done you realease a spike of testerone in the morning. The small dose of dbol isn't enough to make you have another spike so it wouldn't shut you down. The positive effects would be a huge decrease of cortisol and an increase in igf-1 and nitrogen retention. I was thinking about doing a 4 week pct and then maybe doing the 10mg dbol for a bridge. Anyone try this?
The idea of PCT is to kick your HTPA, running 10mg dbol will do nothing for your HTPA. I have seen blood work after a pct using mild proviron with shitty results. So IMO dbol is not PCT. You would be better off running a low dose of test and just staying on IMO.
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The idea of PCT is to kick your HTPA, running 10mg dbol will do nothing for your HTPA. I have seen blood work after a pct using mild proviron with shitty results. So IMO dbol is not PCT. You would be better off running a low dose of test and just staying on IMO.
bump for the truth
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The idea of PCT is to kick your HTPA, running 10mg dbol will do nothing for your HTPA. I have seen blood work after a pct using mild proviron with shitty results. So IMO dbol is not PCT. You would be better off running a low dose of test and just staying on IMO.
what do you think abotu proviron for PCT.,.........overrated?
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what do you think abotu proviron for PCT.,.........overrated?
I don't think it's overrated, I just think it doesn't work. It inhibits your HTPA more than it could ever help recover. Bottom line its a steroid.
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I don't think it's overrated, I just think it doesn't work. It inhibits your HTPA more than it could ever help recover. Bottom line its a steroid.
lol, then it is over rated in the sense that some people talk like proviron is some holy grail of post cycle therapy in that you can stay on a "steroid", while being able to theoretically circumvent the negative HPTA effects
have you ever noticed the "protein sparing" effect of clenbuterol that many people comment on ............i feel like its one of those things that you really cant measure.............if it does help, it not much.......so where does this come from?
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lol, then it is over rated in the sense that some people talk like proviron is some holy grail of post cycle therapy in that you can stay on a "steroid", while being able to theoretically circumvent the negative HPTA effects
have you ever noticed the "protein sparing" effect of clenbuterol that many people comment on ............i feel like its one of those things that you really cant measure.............if it does help, it not much.......so where does this come from?
Few years ago it (proviron) was recommended in allmost every cycle and even by Palumbo in some of his columns, now nobody talks about it. I think it fell short of what was expected of it and in the end is nothing, but a weak steroid.
Clenbuterol and Albuterol is said to have some anabolic properties, i respond to EVERYTHING well, but haven't noticed any of the "anabolic properties" maybe it's just as simple that when you lose fat you're muscles "pop" more, but in reality there isn't any new muscle tissue...
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Many people say to use clen or albuterol during post cycle...I have tried this and noticed absolutely no benefits except for fat loss...anabolic effects of those two drugs are highly overrated IMO
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Many people say to use clen or albuterol during post cycle...I have tried this and noticed absolutely no benefits except for fat loss...anabolic effects of those two drugs are highly overrated IMO
I never liked the idea of using fat burning and possibly catabolic drugs (even though clen and alb don't fall into that category) during pct when you are trying to keep what you got out of the cycle, no need to take more than one step back after your done with the "good" stuff. Some guys do a mass cycle then go off and diet naturally in the end they have gone through hell (lots of drugs, stress, training, mass eating, money spent etc.) and have NOTHING to show for it...
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Few years ago it (proviron) was recommended in allmost every cycle and even by Palumbo in some of his columns, now nobody talks about it. I think it fell short of what was expected of it and in the end is nothing, but a weak steroid.
Clenbuterol and Albuterol is said to have some anabolic properties, i respond to EVERYTHING well, but haven't noticed any of the "anabolic properties" maybe it's just as simple that when you lose fat you're muscles "pop" more, but in reality there isn't any new muscle tissue...
its also that polypharma thing..........usually, when your on clen..........your on a bunch of other drugs as well.........personally, i never taken it by itself
how can you if your on a bunch of steroids and other shit........tell if its the clen that is making you "anabolic" or not.........or how well its working from a protein sparing perspective
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its also that polypharma thing..........usually, when your on clen..........your on a bunch of other drugs as well.........personally, i never taken it by itself
how can you if your on a bunch of steroids and other shit........tell if its the clen that is making you "anabolic" or not.........or how well its working from a protein sparing perspective
I've done both alone and neither did anything except helped me breathe and cutted some fat. I have mild asthma so maybe that has something to do with it. (I took bodybuilding doses).
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I stopped doing the regular pct as it really fucked me up mentally. Hate clomid and HCG does absolutely nothing for me. I think everybody is different but dbol in the morning instead of pct actually worked for me.
I have to admit I can't remember if I did 5mg or 10mg but I used it for several weeks after a cycle some years ago instead of the regular pct and my test levels where significantly higher then after a regular pct. I felt real good on them too. I took the blood test 2 weeks afer I discontinued the dbol so it was not the dbol that was being measured as test.
I believe that small doses of test/dbol can help trigger your hpta back to working again after a cycle as my doc gave me script for test gel 50mg doses during a period when I was trying to get my own test back. He said this would not impact my recovery and would at least make me feel better whilst having low test levels.
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I stopped doing the regular pct as it really fucked me up mentally. Hate clomid and HCG does absolutely nothing for me. I think everybody is different but dbol in the morning instead of pct actually worked for me.
I have to admit I can't remember if I did 5mg or 10mg but I used it for several weeks after a cycle some years ago instead of the regular pct and my test levels where significantly higher then after a regular pct. I felt real good on them too. I took the blood test 2 weeks afer I discontinued the dbol so it was not the dbol that was being measured as test.
I believe that small doses of test/dbol can help trigger your hpta back to working again after a cycle as my doc gave me script for test gel 50mg doses during a period when I was trying to get my own test back. He said this would not impact my recovery and would at least make me feel better whilst having low test levels.
I think your post convinced me bro. Tell me more.
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"small doses of test/dbol can help trigger your hpta back to working again after a cycle"..bro any AAS that your putting into your body will inhibit your body natural production to some degree...using dbol as PCT will just make the process longer to get your levels back
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I'm starting to think 10mg is not gonna suppress you to bad. At a good test booster to it and you might have a winner.
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No offense but you really have no idea what your talking about
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No offense but you really have no idea what your talking about
Look around the internet. I've seen a few logs where people think their recovery went a lot smoother.
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Makaveli so you study broscience? I rather go with what my endocrinologist says
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How did you find proviron superior? Proviron is also a steroid...are you guys backing these claims up with blood work? Or" bro" claims?
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Fuck!!!!! Some of you guys are still such idiots!!!!
Yes, taking steroids during PCT will slow down recovery. But fuck the broscience and Google warriors for a second - recalibrate your train of though and ask this question instead: what can I do to get off the big amount of junk without shrinking or feeling like shit?
If you can use a low dose of oral steroids, taper off and keep your gains without feeling like shit then I'd say that's the correct answer. Its not a dick measuring contest to see who's bloodwork looks better or who's balls get swollen more quickly. If someone uses dbol or proviron during their "PCT" and ends up looking and feeling better than Mr. Textbook who calculates ester half lives vs when they should take their shitty fertility drugs I'd say fantastic Mr. Dbol goes home with the trophy if he's in better shape a month or two later.
You fucking idiots need to realize that if a miniscule amount of steroids helps you to actually cash in on your steroid cycle and doesn't yeild any harm IN THE REAL WORLD then clearly that's the route to go. The only exception is if you're trying for children or have an obsessive compulsive desire to bring your bloodwork to where it needs to be by sacrificing your gains.
Just use HCG and clomid in bouts during periodic downtime. Take a few legit weeks off when you're training less intense, relax on the dieting and enjoy life for once to restore your vigor and morale, stop pinning and do some on-cycle testicle maintenence and give it a faggy acronym, then resume your cycle. Staying on the sauce is far better than cycling unless you're doing small, heavy blast cycles and tapering off while still on GH and something else line insulin and T3. Be creative with your drug use and don't be afraid of the social stigma of using a cornecopia of drugs. I use tons of drugs but in very low doses. Too much of one thing can be a lot worse.
Read some fucking books, get bloodwork but don't obsess over it, stop being hypercritical fag babies because most of your logic is flawed and completely off base to begin with and just do what WORKS (always with respect and regards to your health of course).... its been a while since I've had to meltdown like this. Study your Sunday School homework, gh15 laid it all out in his Bible. You guys should all know this. Its common fucking sense for Christ sakes. Do you regard IFBB Pros as geniuses or something? They just respond to and tolerate drugs well, take risks and do things with a consistency and dedication that would drive most people insane. Take your drugs or shut the fuck up and just be a 100% natural and a pussy. Don't be a stupid stereotypical or elitist drug user (especially when you're actually just as stupid as the drug users and naturals that you loathe).
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Fuck!!!!! Some of you guys are still such idiots!!!!
Yes, taking steroids during PCT will slow down recovery. But fuck the broscience and Google warriors for a second - recalibrate your train of though and ask this question instead: what can I do to get off the big amount of junk without shrinking or feeling like shit?
If you can use a low dose of oral steroids, taper off and keep your gains without feeling like shit then I'd say that's the correct answer. Its not a dick measuring contest to see who's bloodwork looks better or who's balls get swollen more quickly. If someone uses dbol or proviron during their "PCT" and ends up looking and feeling better than Mr. Textbook who calculates ester half lives vs when they should take their shitty fertility drugs I'd say fantastic Mr. Dbol goes home with the trophy if he's in better shape a month or two later.
You fucking idiots need to realize that if a miniscule amount of steroids helps you to actually cash in on your steroid cycle and doesn't yeild any harm IN THE REAL WORLD then clearly that's the route to go. The only exception is if you're trying for children or have an obsessive compulsive desire to bring your bloodwork to where it needs to be by sacrificing your gains.
Just use HCG and clomid in bouts during periodic downtime. Take a few legit weeks off when you're training less intense, relax on the dieting and enjoy life for once to restore your vigor and morale, stop pinning and do some on-cycle testicle maintenence and give it a faggy acronym, then resume your cycle. Staying on the sauce is far better than cycling unless you're doing small, heavy blast cycles and tapering off while still on GH and something else line insulin and T3. Be creative with your drug use and don't be afraid of the social stigma of using a cornecopia of drugs. I use tons of drugs but in very low doses. Too much of one thing can be a lot worse.
Read some fucking books, get bloodwork but don't obsess over it, stop being hypercritical fag babies because most of your logic is flawed and completely off base to begin with and just do what WORKS (always with respect and regards to your health of course).... its been a while since I've had to meltdown like this. Study your Sunday School homework, gh15 laid it all out in his Bible. You guys should all know this. Its common fucking sense for Christ sakes. Do you regard IFBB Pros as geniuses or something? They just respond to and tolerate drugs well, take risks and do things with a consistency and dedication that would drive most people insane. Take your drugs or shut the fuck up and just be a 100% natural and a pussy. Don't be a stupid stereotypical or elitist drug user (especially when you're actually just as stupid as the drug users and naturals that you loathe).
Plus fucking one! I took ten mg of dbol last two days in the morning. Feel ten times better already I did clomid first 2 weeks of pct. Now Im gonna switch to ten mg of dbol in the morning and I'm using this stuff called hcgenerate during the day. I know I'm gonna be using on and off the for a long time.
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Dustin your going to agree with dbol as pct? I thought you were smarter than that...we got newbies on here that are stupid enough to do some bullshit like that...its not obsessing over bloodwork...ill listen to my doctors over some of you know-it-all juiceheads who in reality have no fucking clue what there are doing to their bodies...
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Dustin your going to agree with dbol as pct? I thought you were smarter than that...we got newbies on here that are stupid enough to do some bullshit like that...its not obsessing over bloodwork...ill listen to my doctors over some of you know-it-all juiceheads who in reality have no fucking clue what there are doing to their bodies...
I've never tried it and I'm not compelled too. But if someone twiddled their asshole for 10 minutes a day following all their steroid cycles, kept their gains and recovered well I wouldn't try convincing them otherwise. What's the point? To be "right" like FatPanda? Means nothing to me anymore, I just do whatever works the best for me in real life.
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How somebody feels and what's actually goin on in their body can often be two very different things
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How somebody feels and what's actually goin on in their body can often be two very different things
And we're not bodybuilding for health, remember? A successful cycle is one where you walk away with results. If you recover well but start back at square one, it doesn't really matter whether you recovered well at all. You just fucked yourself over!
The exceptions are whether you're being blood tested or trying to conceive. If you're not, then who gives a flying fuck if someone takes dbol after a cycle? As long as they walk away with results then that's the most important thing, otherwise they would be doing it all natural and not toying with steroids. Forget the acronyms and rigid Internet guidelines regarding steroids. Do what works in real life - that is what I'm trying to preach!
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Dustin we all know that bodybuilding isn't a health venture, but you can minimise the damage you will do to yourself. I think that if your bloodwork is good you can keep going on (with 10 mg or bigger dosages), but if there's signs that something is wrong then you need to take a break. A year ago i had some issues with cholesterol and lipids, took a break went back on and everything is fine now. Of course if someone is trying to turn pro etc. then his usage is very different, but otherwise stay smart and your in this for the long run, if you get sick ONCE that might be it.
1. Makaveli, why did you start a thread, if you had already made up your mind?
2. 10 mg dianabol "works" since you are still ON. It's bridging and not pct...
3. If you always bridge from cycle to cycle with bodybuilding drugs you might look a little better, but you will never have a chance to fully recover. If you are on legit hrt/trt then it's a different story.
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Dustin who even said he was a bodybuilder? How is 10mg dbol as post cycle going to yield better gains and help him recover better like these guys are claiming? If that was the case everyone would be doing it
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Luolamies good post, very true
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Dustin we all know that bodybuilding isn't a health venture, but you can minimise the damage you will do to yourself. I think that if your bloodwork is good you can keep going on (with 10 mg or bigger dosages), but if there's signs that something is wrong then you need to take a break. A year ago i had some issues with cholesterol and lipids, took a break went back on and everything is fine now. Of course if someone is trying to turn pro etc. then his usage is very different, but otherwise stay smart and your in this for the long run, if you get sick ONCE that might be it.
1. Makaveli, why did you start a thread, if you had already made up your mind?
2. 10 mg dianabol "works" since you are still ON. It's bridging and not pct...
3. If you always bridge from cycle to cycle with bodybuilding drugs you might look a little better, but you will never have a chance to fully recover. If you are on legit hrt/trt then it's a different story.
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I'm mostly just trolling, bro. Don't sweat it.
I agree that it's not truly coming off as well. I think it's all right to taper off with an anabolic that's not test, but would opt for something DHT derived if doing it personally. But without splitting hairs, if someone has a more successful cycle then whatever they did should be repeated. Everyone should know that I'm always an advocate of health first. You can do lots of steroids and see little results. But you can also do smaller amounts of steroids and see very good results - that's what I like doing as well.
The take home message is to not sweat the small stuff, disregard most of what you read on forums and replace it with your own homework, then apply it to real life because even the studies are flawed. If you and I started copying abstracts from PubMed to marginally support the notion that dbol following a cycle was a good idea, I'm sure that within a year you would hear someone in real life at your gym talking about it. ;D
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8 weeks off right now, i feel great. 8) i have planned to do blood work soon and see if my test levels came back.
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8 weeks off right now, i feel great. 8) i have planned to do blood work soon and see if my test levels came back.
Good for you pal.
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I'm mostly just trolling, bro. Don't sweat it.
Yeah, i know dude, all is well, but you did bring up some good points... It sure is pointless to use if you loose it all after going off, thankfully good pct and plenty of calories go a long way...
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Yeah, i know dude, all is well, but you did bring up some good points... It sure is pointless to use if you loose it all after going off, thankfully good pct and plenty of calories go a long way...
Sometimes you crash, sometimes you cruise seemlessly back to homeostasis. Its a game of roullete... that's why I'm just staying on very low doses. When a good, safe SARM comes out then I will consider coming off. Or if I get enough cash to blast some GH on cycle and continue running it off cycle. :)