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Wow - check this out.
DAMN!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/07/obama-bush-tax-cuts-video_n_793123.html
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you love the 'nail in the coffin' threads where obama fails and the left gives up on him.
cause you forget ppl have goldfish memories.
and you forget repubs iwll run a polarizing candidate in 2012 to give the dems all someone to vote AGAINST.
so put this on your obamacare shelf, will ya? Cause 'the left' ain't going anywhere - they'll stay with obama if only bcause you elect babygirl to ensure they do ;)
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you love the 'nail in the coffin' threads where obama fails and the left gives up on him.
cause you forget ppl have goldfish memories.
and you forget repubs iwll run a polarizing candidate in 2012 to give the dems all someone to vote AGAINST.
so put this on your obamacare shelf, will ya? Cause 'the left' ain't going anywhere - they'll stay with obama if only bcause you elect babygirl to ensure they do ;)
240 - did you open the link I provided?
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Source: The Washington Post
By Greg Sargent
Okay, we now have our first poll measuring the impact of Obama's Bush tax cut on the Democratic base. Suffice it to say this is a major, make-or-break issue with them that could have real political ramifications for the President and Congressional Democrats.
The poll, done by the respected non-partisan firm Survey USA, surveyed over 1,000 people who contributed time or money to Obama in 2008, and found intense, overwhelming opposition among them to the tax cut deal. This supports the notion that there may indeed be a serious liberal revolt in reaction to it.
Indeed, majorities of people who contributed to Obama in 2008 say they are less likely to support Obama and Democrats in the wake of the deal, which extends all the Bush tax cuts in exchange for a 13 month unemployment extension and other concessions for Republicans.
I got an advance look at the poll, which was commissioned by MoveOn, and you can read the polling memo right here. The key findings:
Read more: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/12/poll...
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DU is complete meltdown.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4646676
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if there's one thing that is important to me, it is the viewpoints of people who voted obama, complain constantly, and who will certainly vote obama again.
I mean, we can learn so much from them ;)
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if there's one thing that is important to me, it is the viewpoints of people who voted obama, complain constantly, and who will certainly vote obama again.
I mean, we can learn so much from them ;)
You are on a roll today. ;D
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The turnout for Obama will not be what it was in 08.....I have talked to way too many "supporters" of his in 08 who are just in the mode of "it makes no difference who is in office...." Some of the main things that got him so much support from lib white voters ie: get out of the war, repeal don't ask don't tell, repeal the tax breaks, etc... he has at best waffled on. He will still get 99.999999% of the black vote, but his numbers among the moderates will be way down.....
unless the republicans nominate someone who will polarize the moderates, which is why (I assume) 240 is so anti-palin...
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I love sparring. i can post from phone at Mcd now. I have to start work for evening shortly, so I'm gonna miss out later haha.
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The turnout for Obama will not be what it was in 08.....I have talked to way too many "supporters" of his in 08 who are just in the mode of "it makes no difference who is in office...." Some of the main things that got him so much support from lib white voters ie: get out of the war, repeal don't ask don't tell, repeal the tax breaks, etc... he has at best waffled on. He will still get 99.999999% of the black vote, but his numbers among the moderates will be way down.....
unless the republicans nominate someone who will polarize the moderates, which is why (I assume) 240 is so anti-palin...
By 2012 - 240 will be on the Grizzly express - you betcha.
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By 2012 - 240 will be on the Grizzly express - you betcha.
she'll give him some gun safety lessons and more importantly some shooting tips...
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she'll give him some gun safety lessons and more importantly some shooting tips...
240 needs Palin to be elected for sheer entertainment and CT purposes. You people think i am overboard with Bama - wait till you see what happens when she is sworn in.
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Tax Deal: Lefties Go Wild, Obama Presidency Hits Apocalypse (Multiple Updates from O’s Presser)
Pajamas Media ^ | December 7, 2010 | Bryan Preston
If the commenters at the Huffington Post, and the hosts and guests at MSNBC, are any guide, the Bush tax cut deal has rendered the Obama presidency a zombie. It looks alive and is even able to move and groan a bit, but it’s mostly dead.
foxinretreat—CLASS WARFARE and some civil unrest , brewing in a neighborhood near you. Hey oligarchs how it turns out is anybody’s guess. I hope Wikileaks unleashes its info on the banks ASAP, I could care less if WS has to tank to stop this madness.
mjtaylor22—THEY GOT MOR EBANG FOR THEIR BUCK, HOW BOUT INCREASE UI PAYMENTS, AND SEND EVERY CITIZEN A CHECK FOR AT LEAST 1,000..SORRY TAX PAYING CITIZEN……
Linda Mulenbach—Dear Mr. President. You had me, and then you lost me! Can we please have a democratic primary challenger! I am DONE with Obama.
Chefbob50—Wanted: One backbone and set of balls send to B. Obama c/o 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Wash. D.C.
Well, Chefbob, you obviously sent Obama your heart in 2008. Why not complete the deal now? There’s more HuffPo commentary at the link, including stuff like this:
srheard—The next time I vote for a President, I am going to rank strong negotiating skills right up there with literacy and intellect.
That’s funny. Conservatives brought up the “competency” argument in 2008 and got slapped with the race card. Now here’s a liberal playing competency against Obama. I happened to be watching MSNBC’s Ed Schultz (so you don’t have to) when the deal came down on Monday. His guest was liberal Rep. Keith Ellison. I thought the two might have an on-air rage party.
Looking beyond the fever swamps, Paul Krugman doesn’t like the deal at all. Sen. Dick Durban thinks the Democrats may walk out on it (which would only mean they will get a worse deal after the GOP takes over the House next year). And liberal Rep. Jim McDermott calls the deal “Obama’s Gettysburg.” Which, if you think about it, puts Obama in the role of Robert E. Lee. Guess that means Biden gets to play Gen. Pickett. Heh.
It does seem as if all of Obama’s various bad choices and lack of experience have come to focus here. He has no experience in high level, hardball negotiations prior to the presidency, and it showed here: He lost in the eyes of the base that put him in office. He made a very poor choice in a vice president, and now that vice president is reportedly getting the job of selling this deal. To put that into some perspective, Joe Biden is so magnetic and persuasive that he has resorted to stealing others’ words and peddling them as his own. Biden is so persuasive that his plan for Iraq — opposing the surge, breaking it up into vulnerable mini-states — went nowhere. Biden is so persuasive that he’s never been more than a footnote to any recent presidential contest, until Obama plucked him for the veep job. It’s not a stretch to think that Biden won’t be any more persuasive among Obama’s liberal base than Obama himself is, and that base is turning on Obama in rage. Then again, here’s some counter evidence: As I’m writing this, the President is on the air in defensive lecture mode saying that this deal wasn’t about the “politics of the moment, but about what’s possible right now.” Uh, ok. And the difference is…? If his future communications on this and other issues remain as laughable as that, perhaps Biden is the better choice to front the band.
This presidency was already in a state of rapid decay, maybe even freefall. The mid-term “shellacking” robbed it of its congressional power and killed off Democratic allies in several states. Major figures like Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod were already heading for the exits, leaving behind the radical czars, the damaged and the gaffe prone. Now this deal may go down as Obama’s “read my lips” turn, alienating what’s left of his base.
Anything can happen in two years, and the more morbid among Obama’s allies are pining for a crisis to resurrect him. I’m not yet convinced that Obama is a one-and-done, but the rage among his base sure makes his re-election look a whole lot less likely.
Update: Watching President Obama’s press conference, I’m struck by just how out of sorts he seems. He’s trying to argue that he took this short term deal, which will end up being a bad long term for Republicans, because of the “tax cuts on the rich.” What he doesn’t seem to get is that he’ll be arguing about the “Bush tax cuts” as a whole in two years, when he’s running for re-election, having already lost that debate in 2010. He’s coming across as hectoring, defensive, and not well acquainted with the facts or the policy. This may be the worst presidential press conference I’ve seen Bill Clinton denied “that woman.”
Update: Whoa. Now he’s angrily lecturing the left for their reaction to the deal, citing their negative reaction to ObamaCare because it lacked a public option. Again, he’s coming across as a know-it-all who’s reminding you of that unforgivable thing you did that ruined your relationship way back when. While it’s nice to see someone attempt to inject a little reality in the “reality based community,” I predict that this won’t go over well. At all.
More: Well, that was pretty bad, the kind of presser Napoleon might have given after Waterloo. Obama, among other things, compared Republicans to terrorists holding the American people “hostage”. That theme is bouncing around the left, indicating either an unhealthy groupthink is going on or that there’s an actual strategy at work. It’s a bad line to take, and it won’t work. Tax policy does not equal terrorism, especially in an age of actual, lethal terrorism.
All in all, not a good finish for 2010 if you’re Barack Obama, which will go down as the year of the death of “Hope and Change.”
Bryan Preston has been a leading conservative blogger and opinionator since founding his first blog in 2001. Bryan is a military veteran, worked for NASA, was a founding blogger and producer at Hot Air, was producer of the Laura Ingraham Show and, most recently before joining PJM, was Communications Director of the Republican Party of Texas.
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Source: CBS News
President Obama today defiantly defended his compromise plan to extend the Bush tax cuts, insisting in a news conference, "This isn't the politics of the moment, this has to do with what can we get done right now."
He lashed out at his critics on the left, who have accused the president of abandoning his Democratic principles by cutting a deal with Republicans.
"This notion that somehow we are willing to compromise too much -- this is the public option debate all over again," the president said. "We pass something that Democrats have been fighting for for over 100 years, but because there was a provision in there that they didn't get...somehow that was a sign of weakness and compromise."
He continued, "If that's the standard by which we are measuring success or core principles, then let's face it, we will never get anything done. People will have the satisfaction of having a purist position and no victories for the American people."
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The president said today that he was fulfilling the "promise I made during the campaign, the promise I made as president" -- to ensure that the tax cuts would be extended for the middle class.
The president acknowledged today that he often said this year that Republicans were holding the middle class "hostage" by resisting an extension of middle class tax cuts without an extension for wealthy Americans as well.
"I think it's tempting not to negotiate with hostage takers -- unless the hostage gets harmed," Mr. Obama said. "Then people will question the wisdom of that strategy. In this case the hostage was the American people."
Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20024891-503544....
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Testy Obama fires back at Democrats over tax deal
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 12/7/10 | Steve Holland and Patricia Zengerle
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A testy President Barack Obama on Tuesday expressed frustration at his own Democrats for attacking him over his tax-cut deal with Republicans, who he called uncompromising "hostage takers."
Obama found himself in an unusual position a day after sealing a major tax-cut agreement -- praised by Republican opponents and denounced by liberal Democrats who felt he violated a pledge that helped get him elected in 2008.
Liberals accused him of caving to Republican demands by agreeing to extend all the Bush-era tax cuts, even those for wealthier Americans, instead of their preference for limiting the tax cuts to families making less than $250,000 a year.
Obama's tax-cut deal could be seen as a move toward the political center after November 2 elections in which Democrats suffered huge losses.
He said he could have spent months arguing the Democrats' position but that it would have risked further damage to the economy.
Obama leveled some of his toughest criticism to date at the left wing of the Democratic Party, saying his critics were taking a "sanctimonious" position that would not have helped solve problems.
His voice rose and he sounded exasperated when he said if he had refused to compromise, "People will have the satisfaction of having a purist position and no victories for the American people."
The country was founded on the principle of compromise, Obama said, and he singled out one leading critic, The New York Times editorial page, saying "The New York Times editorial page does not permeate across all of America. Neither does the Wall Street Journal editorial page."
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U.S.: Israel Settlement Freeze Demand Dropped
MATTHEW LEE | 12/ 7/10 05:38 PM |
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama has abandoned attempts to persuade Israel to slow West Bank settlement activity, officials said Tuesday, dealing a major blow to the resumption of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks and one of the president's top foreign policy initiatives.
After months of trying to broker a formula under which Israel would impose a new, temporary settlement freeze in return for U.S. promises and incentives, two American officials said the administration has concluded that course won't work. The decision was expected to be announced later Tuesday.
Talks stalled in September, barely a month after they started. The Palestinians refused to return to direct negotiations until a new freeze was in place following the expiration of an earlier, 10-month Israeli slowdown in settlement expansion.
Now, said the U.S. officials, American pressure for a three-month moratorium and the U.S. incentives package, which included political, diplomatic and security assurances for Israel, are off the table. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly on the matter.
The White House's bid for a Middle East peace settlement was a longshot from the start, but its apparent breakdown comes at a time when the administration is struggling on a number of fronts abroad. There is slow progress in the Afghan war, increasing friction with China and the embarrassing deluge of confidential diplomatic cables released by the website WikiLeaks.
The U.S. officials said the administration was not giving up efforts to broker a peace deal and noted that Israeli and Palestinian negotiators will visit Washington next week for consultations.
The U.S. will be talking with both sides in the coming days, one of the officials said, while Arab states and other interested countries also will be consulted.
However, the administration's decision to drop support for the Palestinians' key demand could mean the end of the moribund peace process.
Obama had made Israeli-Palestinian peace a major goal of his administration, appointing seasoned peace negotiator George Mitchell as his special Mideast envoy on his second day in office.
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AdvertisementMitchell made dozens of trips to the region to get the parties to agree to direct talks. In early September, with the expiration of the initial slowdown looming, Obama brought Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas along with the leaders of Jordan and Egypt to launch the face-to-face discussions, which failed.
Neither Israeli nor Palestinian officials would comment on the developments in Washington before their official announcement.
Earlier Tuesday, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said the U.S. had halted talks with Israel on settlement activity because Washington was distracted by the WikiLeaks release of secret documents.
State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley responded by saying that Israel may have been preoccupied with putting out a huge forest fire that burned until Sunday.
The U.S. had been pressing Israel to renew a moratorium on new settlement construction in exchange for security guarantees and diplomatic assurances of support. Israel wanted those in writing, as well as a pledge that east Jerusalem would be exempt from the moratorium.
The Palestinians refused to return to the peace talks unless Israel halted all building in the West Bank and east Jerusalem – lands they want for part of their future state.
Peace talks began in September but ground to a halt three weeks later after Israel's original moratorium on new West Bank construction expired.
Netanyahu returned from a November trip to the U.S. with a list of guarantees, including 20 next-generation stealth fighter planes and U.S. pledges to veto anti-Israel resolutions at the United Nations, according to Israeli officials.
In exchange, Israel was asked to renew the expired limits on settlement construction.
Days later the deal snagged after members of Netanyahu's Cabinet demanded a written pledge from the U.S. that the moratorium would exclude east Jerusalem. Such a pledge never materialized.
The U.S. had wanted a moratorium in the hopes that it would allow Israel and the Palestinians to make enough progress in drawing their future borders to make the settlement question irrelevant.
With borders determined, Israel could resume building on any territories it would expect to keep under a final peace deal.
But Israeli officials said Tuesday that short of an understanding on borders, a crisis could erupt if Israel agreed to the freeze sought by the U.S.
Now, said Israeli officials, insisting on anonymity because of the sensitivity of the contacts, the U.S. and Israel have agreed on a statement that "in the coming days and weeks, efforts will continue toward finding ways to renew the direct negotiations in order to reach a framework that would lead in the end to an agreement between the two sides."
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Associated Press writer Tia Goldenberg in Jerusalem contributed to this report.
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Left wing in total meltdown at HP.
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mlevans (530 posts) Tue Dec-07-10 04:51 PM
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42. I expect it'll just get ignored, but I sent him this earlier today.
Dear Mr. President,
Congratulations! You've accomplished something no one else has ever been able to do. You've made me feel embarrassed to be a Democrat.
When we worked so hard to get you elected, we thought you were a determined fighter who would stand up for the ideals we shared. This latest caving in to the Republicans shows just how sadly mistaken we were. We thought you were smarter than George Bush too, but even he would have figured out early on that the opposition wasn't going to cooperate and would have started playing hardball. That's another dismal revelation that I could have done without.
At 2,500 characters I can't say all that is on my mind and in my heart right now. I will just say that I am bitterly disappointed.
Sincerely,
Morgan L Evans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4647115
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Not to make light of the signifance of todays day in history, but some dems are saying they feel today is akin to pearl harbor thrmselves getting bombed by obama on the tax issue, the isreal cave in, the presser trashing them etc.
Bitches.
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he worked across the aisle and 'gave a little' to the repubs.
instead of saying "wow, that's great he's learned to compromise"...
you are rejoicing and gloating because people on the left are unhappy.
Good luck converting them to repub voters in 2012 after talking all that shit for 8 years on them. Chances are they'd vote for a bucket of shit that didn't diss them, over your pitiful 2012 offering ;)
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Not to make light of the signifance of todays day in history, but some dems are saying they feel today is akin to pearl harbor thrmselves getting bombed by obama on the tax issue, the isreal cave in, the presser trashing them etc.
Bitches.
I've been reading the HP threads you've linked. They're on complete suicide watch as they're realizing that their idiotic Utopian views of the world are crashing down on their heads. It's glorious, to say the least. 8)
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he worked across the aisle and 'gave a little' to the repubs.
instead of saying "wow, that's great he's learned to compromise"...
you are rejoicing and gloating because people on the left are unhappy.
Good luck converting them to repub voters in 2012 after talking all that shit for 8 years on them. Chances are they'd vote for a bucket of shit that didn't diss them, over your pitiful 2012 offering ;)
LMFAO he did nothing but toss reps aside for 2 years and you want ppl to praise him for doing something by his own admissions he didnt want to do and was the reps idea?
LOL YOU FUKING TOOL ::)
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240 I already said he did the right thing.
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I've been reading the HP threads you've linked. They're on complete suicide watch as they're realizing that their idiotic Utopian views of the world are crashing down on their heads. It's glorious, to say the least. 8)
Weeping and gnashing of teeth, sackcloth and ashes!!
Those goofies need some major-league couch time.
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Complete panic
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he worked across the aisle and 'gave a little' to the repubs.
instead of saying "wow, that's great he's learned to compromise"...
you are rejoicing and gloating because people on the left are unhappy.
Good luck converting them to repub voters in 2012 after talking all that shit for 8 years on them. Chances are they'd vote for a bucket of shit that didn't diss them, over your pitiful 2012 offering ;)
Nope. Obama is alienating too much of his party that helped him get elected in 08. People are not going to be as fired up to vote for him this time around. Guaranteed.
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Nope. Obama is alienating too much of his party that helped him get elected in 08. People are not going to be as fired up to vote for him this time around. Guaranteed.
Of course they aren't going to be as fired up to vote FOR him.
But
They WILL be MORE fired up to vote AGAINST a palin, won't they? ;)
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Of course they aren't going to be as fired up to vote FOR him.
But
They WILL be MORE fired up to vote AGAINST a palin, won't they? ;)
Not according to DU and HP. They think Bama should change parties.
Maybe Sarah can run as a Dem and Bama a Repub?
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Of course they aren't going to be as fired up to vote FOR him.
But
They WILL be MORE fired up to vote AGAINST a palin, won't they? ;)
Hardly!!! If the unemployment remains around 10% (or gets worse), coupled with the international situation, the American people ain't re-electing Obama just for the sake of keeping Palin out of the White House (if she runs and is the last one standing in the GOP).
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Hardly!!! If the unemployment remains around 10% (or gets worse), coupled with the international situation, the American people ain't re-electing Obama just for the sake of keeping Palin out of the White House (if she runs and is the last one standing in the GOP).
:D :D :D :D palin for pres. the dumbing down of the repub. party
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:D :D :D :D palin for pres. the dumbing down of the repub. party
I thought you said it was already dumb as dirt by virtue of GWB and Dan Quayle?
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:D :D :D :D palin for pres. the dumbing down of the repub. party
The dumbing down of your party has been on display for two years.
Now, keep moving. You're holding up the food stamp line.
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The dumbing down of your party has been on display for two years.
Now, keep moving. You're holding up the food stamp line.
Barack in 2008
Broke in 2009 - 2012
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The dumbing down of your party has been on display for two years.
Now, keep moving. You're holding up the food stamp line.
this coming from a guy that thinks the earth is flat ;D
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Rep. Michael Capuano: I 'May Or May Not' Support Obama Reelection (VIDEO)
The Huffington Post | Nick Wing First Posted: 12- 8-10 09:42 AM | Updated: 12- 8-10 10:56 AM
Email Comments 517 Rep. Michael Capuano (D-Mass.) expressed Tuesday what now seems to be widespread concern over the president's leadership and bargaining skills in the wake of a much-maligned tax cuts deal that would extend tax cuts for the wealthy. The congressman then chose not to deny the possibility that he could support a Democrat other than Obama going into 2012.
In an interview with Fox News in which he compared the recent negotiations process to a car sale, with Republicans being the salesmen and Obama the hapless buyer unwilling to get tough at the bargaining table, Capuano explained the 2012 landscape.
"I don't live in an ivory tower," Capuano said. "I have to pick the best amongst those people who are running, and it may or may not be President Barack Obama's reelection."
Capuano continued:
"Again, I was with him before the primaries the last time. At the moment I don't see that as a useful tool, but I would hope that the president re-finds his footing."
Rep. Joe Crowley (D-N.Y.) on Tuesday also addressed the notion that Obama's concession to the GOP on costly tax cuts for the top two percent of income earners could cause Democratic malcontents to rally around a prospective primary challenger, saying that it was "premature" to predict such an outcome, and that he had faith that the president would "rebound."
Earlier in the Capuano interview, the Massachusetts congressman explained the nature of his frustration with the tax cut deal and what it meant for his confidence in President Obama.
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Advertisement"Anybody who buys an automobile or a car, I would say I would not have President Obama representing me in those negotiations," Capuano said. "I want somebody who understands on occasion you have to get up and walk out of the room, and then you come back and you make a deal. You don't just take whatever deal is thrown at you from somebody who you don't agree with."
As The Hill reports:
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this coming from a guy that thinks the earth is flat ;D
Wrong again!! Gubmint cheese to your left.
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Landrieu Blasts 'Obama-McConnell' Plan For Selling Out Black Voters
TPMDC ^ | Dec. 8, 2010 | Brian Beutler
Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) blasted President Obama's tax cut compromise yesterday. She decried the "moral corruptness" of the idea of giving wealthy Americans a tax cut extension on the backs of poor and middle class workers.
To many, it came out of nowhere. After all, she voted for these tax cuts back in 2001, and, by her own admission, isn't really known for taking on progressive causes against the center and the right. But check out this portion of her criticisms of the plan, which went unreported.
"I represent a broad constituency of hard-working, poor families, many of whom are African American," Landrieu said. "The median net worth of African American families -- net worth, not income -- in this country today according to our Census is $5,000."
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:D :D :D :D palin for pres. the dumbing down of the repub. party
Your posts attacking the intelligence of others always makes me laugh given that you're most likely the dumbest person the politics board. Or do you not think there's a direct correlation between your second grade grammatical skills and your intelligence level?
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
www.hookedonphonics.com
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berzerkfairy nice to see you ;D
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Oh Obama this is why you will be a one termer. You just don't stand up for the beliefs of your base.
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Oh Obama this is why you will be a one termer. You just don't stand up for the beliefs of your base.
You were played for a sucker - get over it. bama is for goldman sack the treasury, JP Morgan, SEIU, BOA, etc, not KC,##, BF, 240, etc.
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Liberals Try to Prevent Pelosi From Bringing Tax Bill to the Floor
By Chad Pergram
Created 2010-12-08 13:10
Fox has learned that Reps. Peter DeFazio (D-OR), Jim McDermott (D-WA) and Jay Inslee (D-WA) are crafting a letter to share with the House Democratic Caucus that would try to prevent the Speaker from bringing the tax bill to the floor.
They hope to get 60 signatures on their letter (which is still being drafted) and then force a vote in the caucus. DeFazio says he thinks that if a majority of House Democrats are against this compromise, they shouldn't bring it to the floor.
In other words, they are seeking a majority of the majority to move this and a senior House democratic source indicates they don't know if they have a majority of democrats, saying they haven't whipped this yet.
In an interview with Fox, DeFazio criticizes the president and says a majority of the House Democratic Caucus does not support the tax rate compromise. "There does not seem to be a majority of the Democrats who support the deal negotiated by Vice President Biden," DeFazio said. "So we want to have a record vote in the caucus on a resolution that says this resolution should not go to the floor without a majority of Democratic votes."
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Source URL: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/12/08/liberals-try-prevent-pelosi-bringing-tax-bill-floor
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White House Privately Pushing Data Showing Bush Tax Cut Extension (for the rich) Politically Popular
Source: Huffington Post
WASHINGTON -- Hoping to build support for the tax-cut deal that the president reached with Congressional Republicans, the White House has begun pressing Hill Democrats with polling data showing that extending the tax rates for the rich is politically popular.
A Senate aide sent over a copy of the email that an administration aide sent to offices on Wednesday morning. In it, the aide touts Gallup polling data showing that "Two-thirds of Americans (66%) favor extending the 2001/2003 tax cuts for all Americans for two years, and an identical number support extending unemployment benefits for the long-term unemployed."
That an administration would promote polling data backing its policy preferences is normally not an astounding revelation. But the private push of the Gallup study struck the Senate aide as depressing if not counter-productive. Even as the president was insisting that he thought an extension of rates for the wealthy is poor economics -- "I'm as opposed to the high-end tax cuts today as I've been for years," Obama said on Tuesday -- his aides were privately embracing the idea that extending the Bush tax cuts across the board was politically prudent.
"We are making the argument for them," said the Senate aide, who sent over the email on condition that it could not be reprinted. "The White House now wants us to defend extending the Bush tax cuts."
Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/08/white-house-pr...
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complete meltdown
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White House Privately Pushing Data Showing Bush Tax Cut Extension (for the rich) Politically Popular
Source: Huffington Post
WASHINGTON -- Hoping to build support for the tax-cut deal that the president reached with Congressional Republicans, the White House has begun pressing Hill Democrats with polling data showing that extending the tax rates for the rich is politically popular.
A Senate aide sent over a copy of the email that an administration aide sent to offices on Wednesday morning. In it, the aide touts Gallup polling data showing that "Two-thirds of Americans (66%) favor extending the 2001/2003 tax cuts for all Americans for two years, and an identical number support extending unemployment benefits for the long-term unemployed."
That an administration would promote polling data backing its policy preferences is normally not an astounding revelation. But the private push of the Gallup study struck the Senate aide as depressing if not counter-productive. Even as the president was insisting that he thought an extension of rates for the wealthy is poor economics -- "I'm as opposed to the high-end tax cuts today as I've been for years," Obama said on Tuesday -- his aides were privately embracing the idea that extending the Bush tax cuts across the board was politically prudent.
"We are making the argument for them," said the Senate aide, who sent over the email on condition that it could not be reprinted. "The White House now wants us to defend extending the Bush tax cuts."
Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/08/white-house-pr...
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complete meltdown
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4648833
Your HP link doesn't quite work.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/08/white-house-privately-pus_n_793732.html
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Your HP link doesn't quite work.
Complete meltdown - we need to send a paramedic
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4647115&mesg_id=4647904
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Oh the memories and how times have changed.
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If the left really goes medieval on Obama, where do black voters stand on this one?
They think the Tea Party is racist? Wait until they get a load of the lunatic left, once they drop the PC gloves.
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If the left really goes medieval on Obama, where do black voters stand on this one?
They think the Tea Party is racist? Wait until they get a load of the lunatic left, once they drop the PC gloves.
NO MATTER WHAT, blacks will vote democrat.....NO MATTER WHAT......they have proven it over and over and over and over.....
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NO MATTER WHAT, blacks will vote democrat.....NO MATTER WHAT......they have proven it over and over and over and over.....
But WHICH Democrat, if the looney left actually manages to get someone to challenge Obama?
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I think people like Col. west and Rep. Scott could garner black votes.
Star Parker, who I like immensely! - scares too many.
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But WHICH Democrat, if the looney left actually manages to get someone to challenge Obama?
I don't think they would nominate another black person, it would limit them way too much on splitting votes. Honestly, many of them will just stay home.
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I like condi and would easily vote for her.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9720567
Ha ha ha ha- these liberal and left wing hacks are comparing bama to the kid who invites the fat chick to the dance only to make fun of her in a goof.
Guess what you marxist fools - you are the fat chick and you are laughed at.
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-08-10 12:52 PM
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40. Obama did NOT "GET" Health Care for 30 MIllion people.
THAT is a BIG LIE.
Obama is FORCING 30 Million (60 Million?) Americans to BUY Health Insurance from the For Profit
Health Insurance Cartel. MOST of those policies WILL be WORTHLESS due to high deductibles and high Co-Pays.
This IS a Republican Victory.
Bush & The Republicans could have NEVER passed Mandates without a Public Option.
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I don't think they would nominate another black person, it would limit them way too much on splitting votes. Honestly, many of them will just stay home.
And, if that happens, the winner of the Democratic nomination is TOAST in the presidential race.
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it doesn't matter you tards are going to run palin :D :D :D :D :D
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it doesn't matter you tards are going to run palin :D :D :D :D :D
And, if she survives and the economy is as it is now (or worse), she'll kick the crap out of Obama (or whoever the looney left gets to take his place).
You've already taken one beating last month. Keep it up and the one in 2012 will look like a kindergarten spat.
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it doesn't matter you tards are going to run palin :D :D :D :D :D
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And, if she survives and the economy is as it is now (or worse), she kick the crap out of Obama (or whoever the looney left gets to take his place).
You've already taken one beating last month. Keep it up and the one in 2012 will look like a kindergarten spat.
careful don't fall off the edge of the earth :D :D :D
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careful don't fall off the edge of the earth :D :D :D
Tell that to the libs, still wailing about Obama, cracking on the tax cuts.
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davidthegnome (507 posts) Wed Dec-08-10 05:36 PM
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67. I wonder if he thinks
We'll all suddenly start liking him again if he insults us enough? This President has problems with the truth, much like our former President did. I can't understand how otherwise intelligent democrats can continue to support the man. Hello? Does he have to start shooting the elderly and pissing on the poor literally as well figuratively? Is that what it would take?
I went to the convention for him, I spent weeks of my own time advertising his campaign because I believed in him. I convinced friends and family and even a few republicans to vote for him. It seems like the joke is on me though. I fought for him because I wanted at least a public option if we couldn't get single payer. I voted for him because I believed he would "roll back" the Bush tax cuts. I voted for him for his promise to get us out of Iraq. I knew there were issues where he was more conservative, but I thought him to be the only one on the left with a chance of winning and making a change. People told me I would be a fool to vote for Kucinich because he would never have enough votes to make a difference. Maybe they were right in that regard - but to think I supported this man now turns my stomach.
He hasn't provided health care for Americans - he has made expensive private insurance mandatory. I guess we're bringing a lot of troops out of Iraq, to send to Afghanistan but I don't remember keeping 50,000 "non-combat" troops there being in any speech he gave. Do I even have to comment on the tax cuts?
How is he supporting anyone but the wealthy? Who is he providing for other than the corporations? I expected so much better from him.
I'm beyond disappointed now, he has proven again and again to be false. I'll never vote for another lesser evil as long as I live. If that man is a democrat then I'm the Queen of England.
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don't you have a boat to build :D :D
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don't you have a boat to build :D :D
Yeah for all you commies who are going to flee to cuba now that your dreams of a marxist takeover are falling apart.
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don't you have a boat to build :D :D
Yep!! I want my family to be safe from drowning from the flood of TEARS from the left, between getting their behinds whipped on election day, the extension of the Bush tax cuts, and the ever-increasing-likelihood of Obama's defeat in 2012.
;D
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Yep!! I want my family to be safe from drowning from the flood of TEARS from the left, between getting their behinds whipped on election day, the extension of the Bush tax cuts, and the ever-increasing-likelihood of Obama's defeat in 2012.
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McWay - check this out.
Larry Summers is now threatening the Dems. Utter meltdown.
ha ha ha ha - THIS IS PRICELESS.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/08/larry-summers-tax-cut-deal_n_793975.html
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If there ever was a day, to state with certainty, that the Community Organizer-in-Charge just doesn't get it....today is that day.
A total detachment from reality by the left.
Repub tsunami coming and the spineless Libs are jumping ship.
Love it.
;D
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liberation (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-08-10 05:52 PM
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76. There seems to be a pattern regarding the clear divide between Obama's rethoric and his actions...
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 05:52 PM by liberation
... first he crooned about having the Dem base "making him do the right thing" and when someone does exactly that, he lashes out with all sorts of condescension and vitriol.
So what is it, are we allowed to "make him do the right thing" or are we supposed to march in lockstep right or wrong?
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hA HA HA - THESE GOOF BALLS ARE JUST FIGUIRING THIS OUT. SUCKERS.
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-08-10 09:16 PM
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105. Wrong from the beginning.
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 09:19 PM by caseymoz
We showed and voted in this election. The independents went against us, and whoever stayed at home was not the progressives.
No, wait until the next election, when the progressives really don't show up for President Obama. Then you'll get a better idea.
As for your pro-Obama propagandist source, he's doing wonderfully, except for the fact that he ordered the assassination of an American citizen, hasn't re-affirmed habeus corpus, has pressed Bush's agenda for extending executive power, has extended the executive branches rights to secrecy, hasn't closed Guantanamo, won't guarantee trial for accused terrorists, still runs black sites throughout the world, has intensified the Afghanistan war and hasn't taken us out of Iraq . . .
I'm tired of writing all that, but that's just basic human rights, the boilerplate I expect a president to have. Minimally.
So, what does he do besides fail to become a President rather then an easygoing dictator? He gave away the public option immediately to drug companies (where public health care has worked in every country where it has been tried), he has been privatizing our schools actually lowering performance, he appointed that damn Debt Commission with those horrible people heading it, he hasn't ended DADT, he appointed Geithner and Summers, two apprentice architects of our current economic disaster to fix it, he gave a stimulus that was too small, the never campaigned for congress to help the unemployed, and his housing program was a rigged failure . . .
I'm tired of writing all that, too.
Now, he cuts a deal that guarantees Social Security will be insolvent. Guarantees it. So, he's giving the program to Republicans for further "fixing." Meanwhile, he's doing this to "cut the deficit" while making the rich richer.
So, WTF about this is so wonderful about him? Your source says 80 percent of people say Obama is doing a good job, that's like, a lie. Tell me the sky is purple and I'll believe it faster. He might even end up being a bigger failure than Bush. I'm wondering now if we could buy out his term and ask him resign and retire to Hawaii.
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"The single biggest failed economic policy in history are the Bush tax cuts," Democratic strategist James Carville said on CNN.
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House Democrats defy Obama on tax cut bill
CNN ^ | December 9,2010 | Dana Bash and Deirdre Walsh
(CNN) - Defying President Obama, House Democrats voted Thursday not to bring up the tax package that he negotiated with Republicans in its current form.
"This message today is very simple: That in the form that it was negotiated, it is not acceptable to the House Democratic caucus. It's as simple as that," said Democratic Congressman Chris Van Hollen.
"We will continue to try and work with the White House and our Republican colleagues to try and make sure we do something right for the economy and right for jobs, and a balanced package as we go forward," he said.
The vote comes a day after Vice President Biden made clear to House Democrats behind closed doors that the deal would unravel if any changes were made.
The vote also come less than an hour after Obama himself urged Congress to pass the compromise he struck with GOP leaders earlier this week and warned that failing to do it could cost jobs.
"There is an important debate on Capitol Hill that will determine in part whether our economy moves backward or forward," Obama said at an Export Council meeting. "The bipartisan framework we have forged on taxes will not only protect working Americans from seeing a major tax increase on January 1, it will provide businesses with incentives to invest, grow, and hire."
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latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-dem-donors-20101210,0,49525.story
latimes.com
Obama's tax-cut deal upsets many major donors
Some say they will withhold funds for the next election. Even if they come around before the campaign kicks into gear, the initial backlash could hurt early Democratic efforts to counter GOP-allied groups.
By Matea Gold, Tribune Washington Bureau
4:39 PM PST, December 9, 2010
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President Obama's advisors are confident that liberals dismayed by his agreement to extend tax breaks for the wealthy will forgive him by the time the 2012 election kicks into gear.
But the current backlash on the left may intensify the immediate challenge Democrats face in building a new campaign finance apparatus to challenge Republican-allied outside groups that flexed their muscles in this year's midterm election.
Democratic operatives are already laying plans to set up new independent expenditure committees that can raise unlimited funds, and hope to enroll early contributors to establish a beachhead for the coming campaign. But some stalwart party donors are vowing to withhold funds because of their anger over the tax-cut deal.
"I do not plan to support Obama and his reelection effort," said Utah-based hedge fund manager Art Lipson, who gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Democratic Party and its allies in recent elections. He views the tax-cut compromise as a giveaway to Republicans that will increase the deficit.
"He's got many great qualities, but he is not a fighter," Lipson said of the president. "I've met with many donors and the level of disappointment is extreme."
Other discontented contributors are taking a wait-and-see approach.
"I would say I'm not a happy camper," said Paul Egerman, a software entrepreneur in Boston, who said this was the first time he felt Obama reversed himself on a significant policy issue. "That troubles me. I need to be convinced he really had no alternative."
The discontent in the party was underscored Thursday when House Democrats rejected the tax-cut plan in a rowdy closed-door caucus, raising questions about the measure's chances of passing.
Democratic officials said they were confident that both Obama and the party would have plenty of money in 2012, noting that the Democratic National Committee raised a record $195 million in this cycle despite anger in the liberal wing about the lack of a public option in healthcare reform and the slow pace of repealing the ban on gays serving openly in the military.
But the breach between Obama and his liberal financial backers comes at a time when Democrats are frantically trying to play catch-up with the GOP in building robust independent expenditure operations. Early fundraising in 2011 would help Democrats lay the groundwork, particularly in countering a slew of issue ads conservative groups are expected to air in the coming months.
"I can see why they're going to have some of difficulty," said Dennis Mehiel, a longtime Democratic contributor who runs a corrugated-packaging company in New York.
Mehiel said he would consider backing a well-planned independent expenditure operation, but noted, "People that have the capacity to write those kinds of checks are used to getting a return when they spend money," and that they may be reluctant to contribute if they do not feel the administration is effective.
This month, many Democratic donors joined a campaign dubbed Patriotic Millionaires for Fiscal Strength that called on the president to allow the tax cuts for the wealthy to expire. They are now expressing frustration — and some even fury — at the compromise he struck with GOP congressional leaders to extend the cuts for two more years.
"I would not financially support his candidacy again," said Guy Saperstein, an environmental activist and former trial lawyer in Piedmont, Calif.
Saperstein was an early Obama supporter in 2008, but he said he had lost so much confidence in him that he would consider backing a viable primary challenger to run against the president. "I think what he's shown is incredible weakness, which I don't think many people would have predicted," he said.
It's unlikely a serious Democratic challenger will emerge. But the willingness of formerly fervent Obama backers to even raise that prospect speaks to the challenge fundraisers will face in some quarters.
Party activists who work closely with Democratic donors said that reaction to the tax-cut deal had been split. Some contributors view it as an irrevocable breach, while others are disappointed but sympathetic about the difficult political calculus Obama had to make. A third group has come to view the agreement as a net positive because Obama extracted concessions from the GOP on unemployment benefits and payroll taxes.
"I think given the set of circumstances, it was a great deal for the America people," said Austin real estate developer Kirk Rudy, who was a member of Obama's national finance committee in 2008. "I feel good about it as a donor, and I feel as good about helping and working for the president as I ever have."
Many contributors were heartened by Obama's tone in a news conference this week, in which he compared Republicans to hostage-takers.
"I was worried he was going to come out and say, 'The Republicans extended a hand of friendship,' " said David desJardins, an early Google employee who is now an investor and philanthropist. "At the moment, I feel like I'm hopeful the administration understands they do need to draw lines."
Garrett Gruener, a venture capitalist who founded Ask.com, said he wished Obama had extracted more from Republicans, but added that the angst felt by many on the left would likely fade when the campaign draws near.
"Right now, we are having an intramural conversation about how we can do this better," Gruener said. "By the time we get to 2012, we will be comparing alternatives."
matea.gold@latimes.com
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This is the pony brigade on the eft.
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The meltdown by the left is hilarious.