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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Arnold jr on December 07, 2010, 11:43:49 PM
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For years I've gotten emails asking what's the best AAS for the money, what gives you the most bang for your buck, what's the best off-season AAS and the best contest AAS, etc, etc.
Lets start by stating the obvious, testosterone is by far the most important and essential AAS you'll ever use hands down but what's next on the list? IMO nothing beats trenbolone and that goes for contest dieting or the off-season bulking stage.
Now some will argue that HGH is the most important part of the puzzle when talking about serious hardcore competitive bodybuilding. In that regards it is important but we're talking about AAS here and only AAS...that said, although added HGH is worth its weight in gold, without the right compound of AAS it's a waste of money.
Tren without a doubt is one of if not the most potent AAS available, nearly 400% more than testosterone on paper...that alone should tell you a lot! But what type of tren is best? IMO stay away from tren-e or hex or any of the other various mixtures, tren-a, although it needs to be injected far more often than its counterparts, is mg for mg more potent because the body can and will use more per mg....think of it like protein, take beef vs. eggs, if you eat 50g of protein from either source you've just ingested 50g of protein but your body will absorb and use a higher percentage of the protein from the eggs than it will from the beef.
As for off-season growth, many reserve tren for only their contest prep, it helps them harden, tren has been shown to help reduce bodyfat and it can give you an extra hard grainy look once you reach low levels of bodyfat, these are all true statements but what about the off-season? It's more potent than test, this we know, would that not be enough to make one think it should be good for off-season growth? It should be but what about the fact that it will help you push harder, give you more strength, help speed up your metabolism, etc? Are those not key factors of good off-season growth? Of course they are and this makes tren, especially tren-a golden in my book!
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i agree with your assessment ;) only problem is the expensiveness of tren, or else id be running it year round. so i stick with test because its affordable.
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Gotta disagree. Test is overrated and not at all necessary. It's only become a staple and necessary due to the internet brohood/broscience. I know many top level competitors that stay away from test for a variety of reasons. The best cycle I've done by far was primo and anavar. Amazing!@
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Gotta disagree. Test is overrated and not at all necessary. It's only become a staple and necessary due to the internet brohood/broscience. I know many top level competitors that stay away from test for a variety of reasons. The best cycle I've done by far was primo and anavar. Amazing!@
I'm not saying you can't run cycles without test...yes, at one point in my life I believed this because of the "broscience" you speak of but we all live and learn, so sure, you can run a good cycle without test. However, when we're talking about serious bodybuilding, I'm speaking of serious competitors, I do believe testosterone really is a must to get the most out of what you're doing.
In the case of this thread though, would you argue that tren, particularly tren-a isn't the golden boy of AAS? If so, why not and what it?
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i agree with your assessment ;) only problem is the expensiveness of tren, or else id be running it year round. so i stick with test because its affordable.
It's definitely not as cheap as test but it shouldn't be that much more IMO plus you don't need as much of it as test or other items. 50mg/eod can do a lot, a whole lot and that's a reasonable low dose IMO.
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i agree with your assessment ;) only problem is the expensiveness of tren, or else id be running it year round. so i stick with test because its affordable.
you dont know how to make it from the pellets??
that what i do an have always done, work like a charm, never had a problem
why pay 80$ for 10ccs when you can get 50CCs for that much
for the guy who said he "know a lot of top level competitors who dont use test".................i SINCERELY doubt it
if i could use one steroid , it would be tren ace............great for cutting, great for bulking, makes you agressvie in the gym, strong as a bull, cuts you up, .(and i dont get any real sides from it other then higer BP)
to anyone who doesnt knwo how to render tren from the pellets , i woudl SERIOUSLY consider learning...........cause there is no human grade tren, so whatever tren you buy is made in some UGL basement bathtub anyway (i have witnessed UGLS in person, yuk)...........as sterile as the UGL would be, you can be assure way more sterility makig it yourself
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you dont know how to make it from the pellets??
that what i do an have always done, work like a charm, never had a problem
why pay 80$ for 10ccs when you can get 50CCs for that much
for the guy who said he "know a lot of top level competitors who dont use test".................i SINCERELY doubt it
if i could use one steroid , it would be tren ace............great for cutting, great for bulking, makes you agressvie in the gym, strong as a bull, cuts you up, .(and i dont get any real sides from it other then higer BP)
to anyone who doesnt knwo how to render tren from the pellets , i woudl SERIOUSLY consider learning...........cause there is no human grade tren, so whatever tren you buy is made in some UGL basement bathtub anyway (i have witnessed UGLS in person, yuk)...........as sterile as the UGL would be, you can be assure way more sterility makig it yourself
any sites with info about homebrewing?
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Try basskillers site. I ran tren for awhile and liked it besides the raise in blood pressure.
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yeh, this will tell you pretty much everything you need know
http://www.basskilleronline.com/finaplix.shtml (http://www.basskilleronline.com/finaplix.shtml)
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I bloat pretty bad in the face during cycle. I think I look better off cycle because of that bloat. Even with a small test dose I bloat. I was thinking of running 200mg of masteron during my cycles to keep that bloat off. Anyone try that before. I tried arimidrex and I still had the bloat. I tried aromasin and aifm still had the bloat.
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Gotta disagree. Test is overrated and not at all necessary. It's only become a staple and necessary due to the internet brohood/broscience. I know many top level competitors that stay away from test for a variety of reasons. The best cycle I've done by far was primo and anavar. Amazing!@
I agree these clowns laugh at anyone who runs anything less than 1500mg of test but the thing is they all look like shit! I call them test whores.
The people who do look good on test only are also on lots of gh and tren so maybe test works better with gh.?
I think test is ok. I get decent size gains and great strength gains athough not as good as dbol. My body eats up dbol it fukng loves it.
I have not been over 750mg of test though so maybe things change at 1250mg and up who knows.
just dont see anyone who has a good physique built on assloads of test without alot of other drugs. Until then let the naive believe "the answer to life's problems lies in a bottle of test"
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"I agree these clowns laugh at anyone who runs anything less than 1500mg of test"
Who on this board laughs at anyone for using less than 1500mgs of test? Most of the vets on here will advise 500 to 750mgs of test
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"The people who do look good on test only are also on lots of gh and tren so maybe test works better with gh.?" First of all this statement doesn't make any sense...most of the guys who are on test ONLY cycles also take gh and tren? Second of all I know guys who take only test and look awesome..As long as your diet and training are spot on and take arimidex...you can look amazing on test only.
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Test is the foundation for any cycle when you are wanting to gain serious size.
Aside from test I would say tren is probably the best, however I love Eq also. Test & Eq is what I find best to grow, throw in some tren and you will see rapid changes - its like someone flipped the turbo switch.
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"The people who do look good on test only are also on lots of gh and tren so maybe test works better with gh.?" First of all this statement doesn't make any sense...most of the guys who are on test ONLY cycles also take gh and tren? Second of all I know guys who take only test and look awesome..As long as your diet and training are spot on and take arimidex...you can look amazing on test only.
What I meant was the guys who make test a staple who dont look like shit are also on gh and tren and everyone I know who just use an assload of test look like shit.
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if your diet is spot on and you use a shit load of test, you will look great.
you will just have a lean (low bf), but water logged physique that looks great in a t-shirt because you are round and not so bad naked either because you aren't fat in the first place so you still have your abs your skin is just not paper thin.
but yeah, if you are 13% bf or over on a shitload of test, it's not a good look
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What I meant was the guys who make test a staple who dont look like shit are also on gh and tren and everyone I know who just use an assload of test look like shit.
See...this is the first time I've heard this. I was about to run a modest test only cycle. :(
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if your diet is spot on and you use a shit load of test, you will look great.
you will just have a lean (low bf), but water logged physique that looks great in a t-shirt because you are round and not so bad naked either because you aren't fat in the first place so you still have your abs your skin is just not paper thin.
but yeah, if you are 13% bf or over on a shitload of test, it's not a good look
True.
In my younger days I would slam in 1-2g of test per week, have an ok diet and grew well. The main problem with test only cycles is the drop in size/fullness/retention when you come off - I find it a lot worse than if I mix test with something else.
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I agree stavios...I've been shredded on 500mgs of test alone...and know a couple guys who use test and dbol only and look like shredded animals...its all about how you DIET and TRAIN and of course an AI...but by flinstones making a general state that guys on a shitload of test look like shit isn't correct
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Ok how bout this spin on the subject since we come to the conclusion that tren is top dog and test is also highly important how bout optimal doses of the two per week... I've used up to 300mg tren a week with 750mg test and I feel better using 500mg test with 350mg winnstrol for some reason with the winnstrol I have a better mood then when on tren why would that be?
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i gave up reading online boards A WHILE AGO
all these clowns think you have to use a shitload of test for everything when most of the time just contributes to more and more side effects
guys at my gym use the harshest AAS and never have a problems with libido, and im proof of that aswell :-\ :-\
the days i didnt listen to anyone about AAS = more gains
the days i listened to everyone about AAS = shit gains
so im going back to my old way of thinking ;)
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I agree shrek...I would rather use test and masteron..tren gives me insomnia, night sweats and moody
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everybody needs to calm down, step away from the keyboard, and repeat this to themselves:
"a steroid is a steroid is a steroid"
say it over and over and over again
yes, some work a little better than others. but DO NOT overcomplicate things. they all work.
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Tren is the End All Be All of AAS. JMHO
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everybody needs to calm down, step away from the keyboard, and repeat this to themselves:
"a steroid is a steroid is a steroid"
say it over and over and over again
yes, some work a little better than others. but DO NOT overcomplicate things. they all work.
semantically, thats true as they are all compounds derivative of testosterone that promote anabolism
but its a pretty substantial oversimplification
winstrol for example has no conversion to estrogen.............pro viron is actually a steroids, but you will see little in terms of gains from it
there is big difference between anadrol and anavar
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When I was a skinny ectomorph with a rageing metabolism I would run up to 750 mg of test E a week with dbol and it would fill me out nicely. I wouldn't get bloated it looked pretty good. Over the years im a lot stockier and bigger from doing test only cycles over the years. Now when I run test only I get that "bloofy" look that gh15 talks about. I look awesome in a tshirt fill it out very well but my face gets bloated very bloated and I look like a perma bulker. When I come off I get a lot more cut looking. I ran test and equipose together but at the 12 week mark I had a terrible time with blood pressure and anxiety I looked awesome though my gains were lean and the bloat wasn't there. Would masteron give similar effects stacked with test?
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When I was a skinny ectomorph with a rageing metabolism I would run up to 750 mg of test E a week with dbol and it would fill me out nicely. I wouldn't get bloated it looked pretty good. Over the years im a lot stockier and bigger from doing test only cycles over the years. Now when I run test only I get that "bloofy" look that gh15 talks about. I look awesome in a tshirt fill it out very well but my face gets bloated very bloated and I look like a perma bulker. When I come off I get a lot more cut looking. I ran test and equipose together but at the 12 week mark I had a terrible time with blood pressure and anxiety I looked awesome though my gains were lean and the bloat wasn't there. Would masteron give similar effects stacked with test?
try letro if the bloat is very bad. 2.5mg letro= TEAM LEAN FACE approved in 2 days. hope this help
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do you know what letro does to you'r body esp. at those doses? 2.5mg is alot...is this something you've done and had bloodwork done with? i think not, otherwise you wouldn't be recommending it....lets talk from experience not what it says on paper
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do you know what letro does to you'r body esp. at those doses? 2.5mg is alot...is this something you've done and had bloodwork done with? i think not, otherwise you wouldn't be recommending it....lets talk from experience not what it says on paper
probably wrecks my lipid profile. nowadays I only keep it on hand in case bad bloating or gyno flare up. I used to run it at like 0.25mg ew during cycle but now I use adex for estrogen control.
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adex is a far better choice...nothing positive happens over Night..and when you try to make it happen you WILL have problems
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i gave up reading online boards A WHILE AGO
all these clowns think you have to use a shitload of test for everything when most of the time just contributes to more and more side effects
guys at my gym use the harshest AAS and never have a problems with libido, and im proof of that aswell :-\ :-\
the days i didnt listen to anyone about AAS = more gains
the days i listened to everyone about AAS = shit gains
so im going back to my old way of thinking ;)
X2,now im planning on using higher dose of the more higher anabolic rating stuff like Deca,EQ,Primo,winstrol,Tren,Mast etc etc Test is just 1 cc every 7 or 10 days
Test is good and its cheap and it does work but i dont think you need to run it in such high doses when you can use other stuff with it :D
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semantically, thats true as they are all compounds derivative of testosterone that promote anabolism
but its a pretty substantial oversimplification
winstrol for example has no conversion to estrogen.............pro viron is actually a steroids, but you will see little in terms of gains from it
there is big difference between anadrol and anavar
anybody using proviron to gain muscle is a retard
anadrol to anavar? blah. take 50mg ed of each for 8 weeks and compare results after you come off. the water from the drol will drain out and you will see very similar results.
all of the major roids- test, tren, deca, eq... the ones you commonly find.. they are all very similar, despite what you may read or even what you may have experienced in the past. your mind is very powerful.
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if you get gyno you need LETRO at 2.5mg/day and it should be gone within a few days, at the same time you get LEANNNN FACE APPROVED. ;D
adex or aromasin for during cycle works good as it doesnt eliminate it completely like letro does (98%)
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I agree these clowns laugh at anyone who runs anything less than 1500mg of test but the thing is they all look like shit! I call them test whores.
The people who do look good on test only are also on lots of gh and tren so maybe test works better with gh.?
I think test is ok. I get decent size gains and great strength gains athough not as good as dbol. My body eats up dbol it fukng loves it.
I have not been over 750mg of test though so maybe things change at 1250mg and up who knows.
just dont see anyone who has a good physique built on assloads of test without alot of other drugs. Until then let the naive believe "the answer to life's problems lies in a bottle of test"
BRAVO!
very very good what he saysTEST IS ONLY MATTER IN HIGH DOSES IF YOU HAVE THE GH TO GO ALONG WITH IT!!
yes ,,anything work better with gh ,,but reason for high dose test is syntetic gh to create fibers to take all this test,,
the way for a shockin impact as gh15 call it on society especially the ones who dont knwo shit about bodybuilding is ,,to first do hgh therapy for few months with no aas,,then go on testosterona trenbolona and equipona,, wait and see what happens on your third and forth week,,then on the 7-8 weeks and on you look like a competetive bodybuilder even if you dont care about bodybuilding,,thats the all secret my friends,,masterona for hardness and polish look
gh15 approved
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you dont know how to make it from the pellets??
that what i do an have always done, work like a charm, never had a problem
why pay 80$ for 10ccs when you can get 50CCs for that much
for the guy who said he "know a lot of top level competitors who dont use test".................i SINCERELY doubt it
if i could use one steroid , it would be tren ace............great for cutting, great for bulking, makes you agressvie in the gym, strong as a bull, cuts you up, .(and i dont get any real sides from it other then higer BP)
to anyone who doesnt knwo how to render tren from the pellets , i woudl SERIOUSLY consider learning...........cause there is no human grade tren, so whatever tren you buy is made in some UGL basement bathtub anyway (i have witnessed UGLS in person, yuk)...........as sterile as the UGL would be, you can be assure way more sterility makig it yourself
ive read the site you recommended me, sounds good :)
but im worried if i fuck it up first time i brew it.
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I've been on sustanon for five months going back and forth from 250-750 mg per week, just got my bloodwork (i was scared shitless) and EVERYTHING was on range! Some values were better than what i have given during OFF cycle. My doc couldn't believe it either...
PS. The only other aas type of i've taken during this "cycle" was some dianabol and formestane.
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ive read the site you recommended me, sounds good :)
but im worried if i fuck it up first time i brew it.
it not really something you can fuck up..................on you have the kit
*crush the pellets
*dissolve in "solution"
*mix with oil
*run through coffee filter
*run through Whatmen filter
enjoy cheap trenbolone goodness (which you personally oversaw production of)
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If the pellet has estradiol, it's useless for bodybuilding purposes, right?
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If the pellet has estradiol, it's useless for bodybuilding purposes, right?
Yes.
That is if you don't wan't to get/risk extreme case of gyno...
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I have to concur with arnold jr. Tren is by far the best aas that I've used. Test is overrated and makes me and everyone else I know who uses it uncontrolled, bloated as fuck and so does most of the other "bulking" roids especially orals. Also I must add I see more of a difference in actual body comp changes with eq than most other steroids as gh15 has mentioned.
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Yes.
That is if you don't wan't to get/risk extreme case of gyno...
Thank you
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I have to concur with arnold jr. Tren is by far the best aas that I've used. Test is overrated and makes me and everyone else I know who uses it uncontrolled, bloated as fuck and so does most of the other "bulking" roids especially orals. Also I must add I see more of a difference in actual body comp changes with eq than most other steroids as gh15 has mentioned.
Yea true about the bloat. I am workin with tbombz on leaning out right now and am running 750mg of cyp now just got off of omnadrens..I am leaner than I have been in a while but my face is bloated as shit. Arimdex is a pain in the ass as far as price and side effects for me so I just deal with the chipmunk face..and no pussy.. :-X
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Yea true about the bloat. I am workin with tbombz on leaning out right now and am running 750mg of cyp now just got off of omnadrens..I am leaner than I have been in a while but my face is bloated as shit. Arimdex is a pain in the ass as far as price and side effects for me so I just deal with the chipmunk face..and no pussy.. :-X
no lean face, no vag.
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no lean face, no vag.
this is true,
lean face is KEY
flinstone you must use letro for LEANNNNN FACE.
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no lean face, no vag.
shouldnt be an issue for you bro. I'm sure yor 46 year old :-X dont have a chiseled jawline either ;)
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no lean face, no vag.
True to a point, i guess, but...
When your big enough the freakfactor kicks in and you'll do fine with bitches, even if your face is bloated... I think i've looked bloated for as long as i remember and still get plenty of pussy.
PS. Of course there are things like "character" but we as steroid user don't care about stuff like that... ;D
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If the pellet has estradiol, it's useless for bodybuilding purposes, right?
you thinking of something else...........the fina pellets have no estradiol
the synovex do......which is a mixture of testosterone proprionate and a small amount of estrogen.......and they are NOT useless for BB purposes
they makes kits that separate the estrogen from the test............and then your left with a big, cheap jug of pure testosterone proprionate
good as gold.......
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moon face isnt exacly attractive to anyone, you just look fat lol like all these clows going on extreme doses of test + GH.
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you thinking of something else...........the fina pellets have no estradiol
the synovex do......which is a mixture of testosterone proprionate and a small amount of estrogen.......and they are NOT useless for BB purposes
they makes kits that separate the estrogen from the test............and then your left with a big, cheap jug of pure testosterone proprionate
good as gold.......
I'm not talking about USA fina pellets. Where I live you can find pellets with 40mg tren ace and 8 mg estradiol. This is the only version you can find over here, It's called "Revalor G".
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moon face isnt exacly attractive to anyone, you just look fat lol like all these clows going on extreme doses of test + GH.
Yes the extremes are, but a little bloat is nothing to worry about and allmost impossible to avoid while on gear, even with AI's...
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True to a point, i guess, but...
When your big enough the freakfactor kicks in and you'll do fine with bitches, even if your face is bloated... I think i've looked bloated for as long as i remember and still get plenty of pussy.
PS. Of course there are things like "character" but we as steroid user don't care about stuff like that... ;D
wrong bro. Being big and muscular is even more of a reason to improove the face because if your ugly and muscular you wlll attract alot of attention as "ugly dude with great body" which would suck. An ugly twink just blends in.
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wrong bro. Being big and muscular is even more of a reason to improove the face because if your ugly and muscular you wlll attract alot of attention as "ugly dude with great body" which would suck. An ugly twink just blends in.
I get your point, but as long as my "bloat" is reasonable and not extreme or even close to it, I'm not going to stress over it. Plus, if it gets that way, it goes away fast by taking mild diuretics, even OTC but then again they negatively affect lifting because they dry out the joints a little as well, so you have to weigh the pros and cons. A little bloat i can handle, extremes i wont and I'm getting women so i think I'm fine. Also allmost all user have some "bloat" whether they realise it or not...
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wrong bro. Being big and muscular is even more of a reason to improove the face because if your ugly and muscular you wlll attract alot of attention as "ugly dude with great body" which would suck. An ugly twink just blends in.
women are far more attracted to personality than body/face. you can look like fatpanda and pull bitches all day long if you got game.
that being said, of course team lean face+shredded abs always dominates over the bloated fatboys (like myself :'( ) lol
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women are far more attracted to personality than body/face. you can look like fatpanda and pull bitches all day long if you got game.
that being said, of course team lean face+shredded abs always dominates over the bloated fatboys (like myself :'( ) lol
let us know when you cut down so me and lesaucer can LEANNNNNN FACE approve you. ;D
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let us know when you cut down so me and lesaucer can LEANNNNNN FACE approve you. ;D
im already handsome, imagine once i join team lean face 8)
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im already handsome, imagine once i join team lean face 8)
im with my friend an she saw your pic and she said "says you have a feminine nose" and look "too zach efraun ish" she likes your eyes though. I said he's into black women only :D
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women are far more attracted to personality than body/face. you can look like fatpanda and pull bitches all day long if you got game.
that being said, of course team lean face+shredded abs always dominates over the bloated fatboys (like myself :'( ) lol
lolololololololololollll lllllllllllllll
''catch breath''
lolololololololololololo ll
ever seen a ugly fucker or fat dude with a super hot girl? no? me neither. unless hes extra rich
NO LEAN FACE NO PUSSY
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lololololololololololllllllllllllllllll
''catch breath''
lolololololololololololo ll
ever seen a ugly fucker or fat dude with a super hot girl? no? me neither. unless hes extra rich
NO LEAN FACE NO PUSSY
Not to be an old fart, but once you're married to a reasonably cute chick, you can pull all kinds of mad pussy by doing dishes and changing diapers. 8)
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im already handsome, imagine once i join team lean face 8)
Your face is going to resemble Cutlers soon... :-\
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Your face is going to resemble Cutlers soon... :-\
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cutler has no problems getting pussy
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haha
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im with my friend an she saw your pic and she said "says you have a feminine nose" and look "too zach efraun ish" she likes your eyes though. I said he's into black women only :D
LOL thats a fair assessment that i wouldnt argue with.
lololololololololololllllllllllllllllll
''catch breath''
lolololololololololololo ll
ever seen a ugly fucker or fat dude with a super hot girl? no? me neither. unless hes extra rich
NO LEAN FACE NO PUSSY
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I see it all the time.
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lololololololololololllllllllllllllllll
''catch breath''
lolololololololololololo ll
ever seen a ugly fucker or fat dude with a super hot girl? no? me neither. unless hes extra rich
NO LEAN FACE NO PUSSY
It happens all the time actually. Personality, persistence, and timing can get you a long way
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test does have its faults,, estro conversion.. dht conversion.. and running anti e is no guarantee of eliminating the bloat.. and running proscar can have its side as well.. i do believe that running some test ias needed.. we still need some estro conversion to obtain gains.. key being "some"..
the key was tren is to be lean ready when running it to avoid the high blood pressure issue or at least lessen them.. running tren and test at 15% bodyfat is asking for side issues x 2.. when i was at my heaviest i ran 600 test cyp, 200 tren, and 500 eq.. at weeks 5 or 6 my bp went ape and i was feeling awful.. looked my best (size wise) but was too high in the bf .. will run again at lower bf % and see how i feel..
i do agree that much can be achieved without test.. at or the least low dosage test.. mast, tren, eq oral turinabol ect are all great compounds and work well without all the sides associated with test.
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cypionate 8)
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Just food for thought.......
A lot of guys assume the negative side effects of test such as excess bloating and what not is directly related to the exogenous testosterone's fault when in fact they are missing the truth and key factor. Yes, taking testosterone can cause you to bloat more than normal, "CAN" being the key word, the word isn't "WILL" it is "CAN." The simple truth is nine times out of ten the excess bloat can be avoided and/or eliminated. When you're taking exogenous test, keep your diet reasonable if you're susceptible to uncomfortable bloat. If you're taking in more carbs than you need you'll bloat, if you're taking in more carbs than you need and taking exogenous testosterone you will bloat even more...this is just the way it is.
Simple solutions, if you're taking exogenous testosterone and I don't care if it's 500mg/wk, 1,000mg/wk or whatever number you want to throw in there, if you're bloating you can correct this very easily with diet, a small dose of an AI and you can be a little more lenient with diet when it comes to bloating.
Best off-season cycle on earth IMO, Test, Tren-a and dbol, add in HGH and then it's the real deal. And I don't care what anyone says about "this guy they know" or "this guy they heard about" yes, some guys will look good on cycles of no test or very low test, but when it comes to hardcore bodybuilding, national level or pro, they are taking testosterone and taking a butt load.
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HGH is everything
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HGH is everything
that is correct my friend,,hgh is everything,,alot more than the average joe lifter think,,hgh at high doses create MUTATION,,it is new muscle fibers added new surface on body,,new regions ,,volumized regions blow up with steroid ,,its diff animal ,,and it does it to ANYONE,,thats why so many bodybuilder now days,,everyone discovered hgh
gh15 approved
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Hghona
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Hgh can also have a mutation on your heart if your taking large dose...heart enlargement is a very possible risk
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Hghona
;D "growthona hormona"
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hgh mutation my ass.
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use 1000 mg of test for 10 weeks
then use 1000 mg of deca for 10 weeks
then use 700 mg of tren a for 10 weeks
then you'll know why test is shit, why deca costs around 3 times as much as test, and why tren is the be all end all aas
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use 1000 mg of test for 10 weeks
then use 1000 mg of deca for 10 weeks
then use 700 mg of tren a for 10 weeks
then you'll know why test is shit, why deca costs around 3 times as much as test, and why tren is the be all end all aas
you like deca better than test?
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a lot of people do
me included
just replace testosterone with anadrol for the thickness like van_b and no_one said
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you like deca better than test?
After a while on test only cycle....improvements seem to halt.. adding more weight by eating more and trying to break that limit seems to add only fat. so i would say that test along with another anabolic is the best choice.
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After a while on test only cycle....improvements seem to halt.. adding more weight by eating more and trying to break that limit seems to add only fat. so i would say that test along with another anabolic is the best choice.
In my opinion dianabol is one of the best "plateau breaking" steroids ever conceived, even Palumbo said it in 2001 September issue of Muscular Development (steroid guru roundtable). Now days he seems to hate orals, but in 2001 he was still competing actively. True it does have it's downfalls, such as appetite suppression (which i don't get), liver toxicity, lower back pumps etc. but so does every other steroid, they are just different "downs" and most are easily manageable.
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After a while on test only cycle....improvements seem to halt.. adding more weight by eating more and trying to break that limit seems to add only fat. so i would say that test along with another anabolic is the best choice.
adding lots of food will definitely make you fat, but i disagree about test only. firstly, you add weight by increasing the poundage in the gym, not by increasing food. increase food only when you start losing bodyfat or stop gaining strength, and only increase it enough so that you start moving forward again. test only works great and doesnt stop working.
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In my opinion dianabol is one of the best "plateau breaking" steroids ever conceived, even Palumbo said it in 2001 September issue of Muscular Development (steroid guru roundtable). Now days he seems to hate orals, but in 2001 he was still competing actively. True it does have it's downfalls, such as appetite suppression (which i don't get), liver toxicity, lower back pumps etc. but so does every other steroid, they are just different "downs" and most are easily manageable.
palumbo has no qualms with orals.............TRUUUU UUST me
now that he has a website and is trying to mainstream it as much as possible.........he cant be telling people to be taking large doses and lots of orals.............some asshole kid on his site will fuck himself up, and palumbo will be getting sued by his parents,,,,,,..........dont believe shit like that can happen
if you notice , his steroid advice now is the most basic shit, as a matter of fact he really only talks about HRt doses anymore...........noting complicated, nothing advanced., nothing that can get him in trouble with the law or the NPC/IFBB
the point is, his "Advice" is nto applicable now
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you like deca better than test?
I honestly never gave deca a fair chance... but one of my friends was running 1500 mg test and 300 mg deca... then he switched to 1200 mg deca and 500 mg test... within 6 weeks of only changing drugs and nothing else he had a totally different look... he was actually leaner, stronger, and looked much thicker and bigger.
but yes... most people who actually get real deca prefer it over test (not many people around here use test, or a lot of it, but the staple is deca and dbol for most of the beginners and trust me, the results i've seen beat the shit outta that 500 mg test crap for beginners)
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if you notice , his steroid advice now is the most basic shit, as a matter of fact he really only talks about HRt doses anymore...........noting complicated, nothing advanced., nothing that can get him in trouble with the law or the NPC/IFBB
the point is, his "Advice" is not applicable now
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. He went from one extreme to another. In that same issue of MD, i remember him telling that it's good to start with 3000 mg sustanon per week to "kick start" a cycle, now it's totally different, but i understand his reasons. I've allways been a proponent of medium doses, heavy lifting and lots of food... These days people just focus on the drugs and nothing else.
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Yeah, my thoughts exactly. He went from one extreme to another. In that same issue of MD, i remember him telling that it's good to start with 3000 mg sustanon per week to "kick start" a cycle, now it's totally different, but i understand his reasons. I've allways been a proponent of medium doses, heavy lifting and lots of food... These days people just focus on the drugs and nothing else.
yeh, he never gives advice on specific doses now.............nor does he comment on any steroids like tren, or eq that CANT cant be dolled out by a doctor
and prefaces pretty much everything he says with "this should be sone under the supervision of a doctor".............which is just unrealistic for 95% of us............people ahve a hard time find a doctor to give then TRT doses.........let alone enough to grow on
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What would you guys recommend to take w/ a test p + tren a cycle?
Bromocriptine & armidex?
What is suggested post cycle?
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0,5-1 mg arimidex eod.
Pct depends a lot on the length/dosages of the cycle, but usually, hcg and clomid of nolvadex for 3-5 weeks is plenty, again dosages will vary depending on the cycle, but for example hcg every third day 1500 i.u. for two weeks and nolvadex 20 mg per day for 4 weeks.
I'd try to avoid bromocryptine...
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0,5-1 mg arimidex eod.
Pct depends a lot on the length/dosages of the cycle, but usually, hcg and clomid of nolvadex for 3-5 weeks is plenty, again dosages will vary depending on the cycle, but for example hcg every third day 1500 i.u. for two weeks and nolvadex 20 mg per day for 4 weeks.
I'd try to avoid bromocryptine...
Cycle would be 8 wks.
Are the same type of pins used for hGH as are used for HCG?
Also I used Bromo 6 years ago with a tren + prop cycle and I was told it would prevent progesterone related gyno.
**An interesting thing happened from the Bromo though- I was told it would raise my leptin levels- hence preventing severe hunger during my cutting diet. Funny thing was that I didn't have big hunger at any point in the cycle cutting diet- in fact on my higher carb days I wasn't even able to eat all my oats or yams. I got my leanest ever- right at a TRUE 4% BF and I never thought I could have experienced that level of leaness with out any suffering and anguish.
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this thread should have ended on the 1st page with test...
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Cycle would be 8 wks.
Are the same type of pins used for hGH as are used for HCG?
Use the doses i suggested.
Yes.
If you didn't have problems with bromocryptine you can use it...
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Use the doses i suggested.
Yes.
If you didn't have problems with bromocryptine you can use it...
Thanks
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this thread should have ended on the 1st page with test...
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Look at it like this; test is the bread you use to make your sandwich, tren-a is the meat.
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test gives me a shitload of hair :-\
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Look at it like this; test is the bread you use to make your sandwich, tren-a is the meat.
thats kind of a biased answer.....tren is only good for mass, and quick burst of strength....it really doesnt serve a purpose in any athletic arena outside of the "non sport" known as BB..
so in theory tren would be far from the top of most people list....its a really one demisional compound...
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thats kind of a biased answer.....tren is only good for mass, and quick burst of strength....it really doesnt serve a purpose in any athletic arena outside of the "non sport" known as BB..
so in theory tren would be far from the top of most people list....its a really one demisional compound...
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There's no AAS that increases nutrient absorption like tren does, no AAS that promotes cell repair like tren does. Those two things alone put tren at the top of the list IMO.
I'll also throw this in there and I have no problem admitting it...most of my post and most of the articles I write are with BB in mind. That's my primary focus and with that in mind, again, IMO, nothing beats tren.
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For bodybuilding its great..but for MMA it will do more harm then good
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There's no AAS that increases nutrient absorption like tren does, no AAS that promotes cell repair like tren does. Those two things alone put tren at the top of the list IMO.
I'll also throw this in there and I have no problem admitting it...most of my post and most of the articles I write are with BB in mind. That's my primary focus and with that in mind, again, IMO, nothing beats tren.
you can take trenbolona from morning to night for months on ,,wont change a thing unles hgh is in blood,,SYNTETIC HGH,,thats the only time the words nasty ,, large and lean ,, and huge will be heard from other lifters twards you ,,hgh is EVERYTHING,,with out hgh you can not and will not look like a bodybuilder no matter how clean you eat,,
so trenbolona is good drug ,,it indeed get you thicker more dense muscle while reducing bf to some degree....but only when hgh is in blood is when trenbolona with ofcoure equipona and testosterona will create the magazine look you all so after,,
i keep repeating it for many many times,,
hgh is BASE,,NO HGH = NO BODYBUILDER WE ARE ADDICTS OF HGH OF THE WORST DEGREE,,WE ALSO MINIMIZE ITS IMPORTANCE OUT OF SELFISH MEANS,, SINCE MANY OF BODYBUILDER ARE CONVICT LIAR SELFISH ASSHOLES,,BUT HGH IS THE CULPRIT OF BODYBUILDING AND YOU WILL NOT! LOOK IMPRESSIVE WITH OUT IT IN BLOOD,,THE LONGER THE BETTER THE HIGHER DOSES THE BETTER
then trenblona comes in and does the nasty!
gh15 approved
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Look at it like this; test is the bread you use to make your sandwich, tren-a is the meat.
test = bread
tren ace = meat
hgh = teeth
try eat bread and meat sandwich with no teeth....what you do then? you go buy FAKE TEETH so you can eat it ,,,cost is similar too:)
gh15 approved
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Gh15...taking a lot of hgh for long periods of time will make you look distorted...hands and skull grow...intestines grow...have you had this problem?
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you can take trenbolona from morning to night for months on ,,wont change a thing unles hgh is in blood,,SYNTETIC HGH,,thats the only time the words nasty ,, large and lean ,, and huge will be heard from other lifters twards you ,,hgh is EVERYTHING,,with out hgh you can not and will not look like a bodybuilder no matter how clean you eat,,
so trenbolona is good drug ,,it indeed get you thicker more dense muscle while reducing bf to some degree....but only when hgh is in blood is when trenbolona with ofcoure equipona and testosterona will create the magazine look you all so after,,
i keep repeating it for many many times,,
hgh is BASE,,NO HGH = NO BODYBUILDER WE ARE ADDICTS OF HGH OF THE WORST DEGREE,,WE ALSO MINIMIZE ITS IMPORTANCE OUT OF SELFISH MEANS,, SINCE MANY OF BODYBUILDER ARE CONVICT LIAR SELFISH ASSHOLES,,BUT HGH IS THE CULPRIT OF BODYBUILDING AND YOU WILL NOT! LOOK IMPRESSIVE WITH OUT IT IN BLOOD,,THE LONGER THE BETTER THE HIGHER DOSES THE BETTER
then trenblona comes in and does the nasty!
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I disagree.
No HGH may indeed mean you're not going to win a Mr. Olympia but no HGH doesn't mean you can't be a good bodybuilder. I've prepped plenty of guys who didn't have the money to run HGH and they did fine...sure, some would have do better if they had money to run HGH for extended periods, I don't disagree with that.
The truth of the matter, tren will produce great results with or without HGH and they will be better with HGH.
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There's no AAS that increases nutrient absorption like tren does, no AAS that promotes cell repair like tren does. Those two things alone put tren at the top of the list IMO.
I'll also throw this in there and I have no problem admitting it...most of my post and most of the articles I write are with BB in mind. That's my primary focus and with that in mind, again, IMO, nothing beats tren.
tren is a short term cure though.....tren was always one of my favorites.....but it only has a purpose in BB, and non Olympic powerlifting...
so realistically......if you are talking about BB only tren is it.....but if you are talking in general?...not even top 10..
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I disagree.
No HGH may indeed mean you're not going to win a Mr. Olympia but no HGH doesn't mean you can't be a good bodybuilder. I've prepped plenty of guys who didn't have the money to run HGH and they did fine...sure, some would have do better if they had money to run HGH for extended periods, I don't disagree with that.
The truth of the matter, tren will produce great results with or without HGH and they will be better with HGH.
cemi right,,mostly wrong
1. the individual with out gh can never be over age 30,, he has to be under 30,, over 30 no hgh = no competetive bodybuilder no matter what you do to him
2. the individual on gh can cheat his way through the diet and look like a lean deasel machine ,,3 dimentional one! the one with out it wont and thus place last or wont even compete which will be the second from experience with those fellas
3. hgh is not used only among mr o winners,,it is used all around the industry and all around the gyms especially in americana,,every one use it that looks anything to write home about,,now the fellas you trained i dont know who they are or what they are,,but for the 170 bucks you buy chinease gh which is EXACTLY LIKE AMERICANO GH if source is solid .....for this price EVERY ONE USES IT ,,so no nice intelectual argument will cover for it ,,i dont care how good you are as trainer,,they all lie,,ALL OF THEM FUCKIN LIE,, would anyone know you were in such big troubles before got busted????? DID ???? no one fuckin knew a thing,,no one! it just came out of no where LIKE OPERATION RAW DEAL ,,this cult is fukll of LIAR SCAMBAG PIECES OF SHIT THAT WILL STEP ON EVERY ONE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND WILL DO A WHILE SAYING B ,,PERIOD! THEY ALL NARCISTIC THEY ALL VERY VERY SELFISH AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY TELL YOU THEY WANT TO HELP THEY ALWAYS UP FOR THE MONEY! NO ONE ABSOLITLY NO ONE WILL TELL THEIR SECRET,,THE ONLY ONE WHO TELL IT HOW IT IS IS ME! AND I GET DEATH TREATS DAILY DAILY !!! FROM SCAMBAGS THAT I CAN IN ONE WORD FINISH AND WILL IF IT CONTINOUS
4. tren with out gh worth NOTHING unless youre at an age when your natural gh is at peak which is early 20s ,,tren by itself test by itself all that aas balonie at late 20s into 30s will be worth nothing ,,youll be one piece of bloofy shit UNLES HGH IS IN BLOOD,,you know it and i know it
the sad part is that insted of fellas arrgue with me and keep dreaming about being npc tops ,,they need to do it and see how they got lied to ,,some of them wont be nice about it and seek revenge,,
what i do is telling the truth in a cult where every one lies,,eveyr one!!
on the outside you 3 years ago looked like good ole boy with very good language and very good schooling etc etc that is always nice and always white color stay out of trouble,,was it like this in reality?????????????? hell no it wasnt
im tired of this stupid cult members who have serious mental issues and keep on lieing about how it really is,,
gh is a must inorder to havbe the physiqe you see in magazine,,infsact its a must inorder to be LEAN AND LARGE ,,you will never hear the word HUGE with out the use of gh ,,youll never hear the word bodybuilder with out gh ,,period! not in 2010 maybe back in 1960 you would ,,now day people used to bigger and leaner,,they always expect more, they wont even look at you unless youre on gh inaddition to aas,,trust me on that i know what im talking about to the t ,,the diff is i ACTUALLY SAY IT LOUD AND CLEAR
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cemi right,,mostly wrong
1. the individual with out gh can never be over age 30,, he has to be under 30,, over 30 no hgh = no competetive bodybuilder no matter what you do to him
2. the individual on gh can cheat his way through the diet and look like a lean deasel machine ,,3 dimentional one! the one with out it wont and thus place last or wont even compete which will be the second from experience with those fellas
3. hgh is not used only among mr o winners,,it is used all around the industry and all around the gyms especially in americana,,every one use it that looks anything to write home about,,now the fellas you trained i dont know who they are or what they are,,but for the 170 bucks you buy chinease gh which is EXACTLY LIKE AMERICANO GH if source is solid .....for this price EVERY ONE USES IT ,,so no nice intelectual argument will cover for it ,,i dont care how good you are as trainer,,they all lie,,ALL OF THEM FUCKIN LIE,, would anyone know you were in such big troubles before got busted????? DID ???? no one fuckin knew a thing,,no one! it just came out of no where LIKE OPERATION RAW DEAL ,,this cult is fukll of LIAR SCAMBAG PIECES OF SHIT THAT WILL STEP ON EVERY ONE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND WILL DO A WHILE SAYING B ,,PERIOD! THEY ALL NARCISTIC THEY ALL VERY VERY SELFISH AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY TELL YOU THEY WANT TO HELP THEY ALWAYS UP FOR THE MONEY! NO ONE ABSOLITLY NO ONE WILL TELL THEIR SECRET,,THE ONLY ONE WHO TELL IT HOW IT IS IS ME! AND I GET DEATH TREATS DAILY DAILY !!! FROM SCAMBAGS THAT I CAN IN ONE WORD FINISH AND WILL IF IT CONTINOUS
4. tren with out gh worth NOTHING unless youre at an age when your natural gh is at peak which is early 20s ,,tren by itself test by itself all that aas balonie at late 20s into 30s will be worth nothing ,,youll be one piece of bloofy shit UNLES HGH IS IN BLOOD,,you know it and i know it
the sad part is that insted of fellas arrgue with me and keep dreaming about being npc tops ,,they need to do it and see how they got lied to ,,some of them wont be nice about it and seek revenge,,
what i do is telling the truth in a cult where every one lies,,eveyr one!!
on the outside you 3 years ago looked like good ole boy with very good language and very good schooling etc etc that is always nice and always white color stay out of trouble,,was it like this in reality?????????????? hell no it wasnt
im tired of this stupid cult members who have serious mental issues and keep on lieing about how it really is,,
gh is a must inorder to havbe the physiqe you see in magazine,,infsact its a must inorder to be LEAN AND LARGE ,,you will never hear the word HUGE with out the use of gh ,,youll never hear the word bodybuilder with out gh ,,period! not in 2010 maybe back in 1960 you would ,,now day people used to bigger and leaner,,they always expect more, they wont even look at you unless youre on gh inaddition to aas,,trust me on that i know what im talking about to the t ,,the diff is i ACTUALLY SAY IT LOUD AND CLEAR
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You're misunderstanding me.
Is HGH needed to be at the top of the NPC? Absolutely. There are the occasional freaks who are very young who can get by in the NPC without it but they are rare and will need it before too long. On that I agree.
Secondly, all of my guys, every last one who wants to compete nationally I recommend they take HGH every single time, I recommend it to my guys who compete at local and state level shows but it's ore of a must on the national stage.
I think this is important to keep in mind, on this message board, on most message boards for that matter, if I had to guess I'd say only around 5% actually compete and less than that ever compete nationally. Also, out of all the members lets say 50% have or do use gear and that's probably a generous number...the other 50% are scared to use it or simply don't care. So we're talking about a number that's probably less than 1% but we'll call it 1% for arguments sake, 1% who will ever compete or even want to compete nationally. Of the other 49% who use gear, all they care about is their one 12-16wk cycle per yr, maybe 2 cycles but probably only one. These guys and they make up a strong majority, simply want to know the basics.
On your other topic, "Me" show me where I've lied, you won't find one instance. Secondly, who I am and everything about me is right out there in the open. My real name, plenty here know it, what I do and what I've done, plenty here know it. You can find me in pics, you can find me in videos, you can find me just about anywhere you want. So sure, I did something stupid and made a stupid mistake, I'm a human being and let my guard down and didn't listen to my gut instincts out of a desire I had for something else...something good but I went at it the wrong way...it happens. I am not, was not and never have been some king pin dealer. I had a plan, a short term plan, a 6 month plan, I almost made it but paid heavily for it. Betrayed by my closest friend in the world all so he could get out of a DUI.
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gh15, so again, when you put guidlines below out for absolute limits of test, tren, eq, BEFORE adding gh, you meant that the following applies ONLY to the age group of under 30's, correct?
yes yes yes!,,bodybuilder uis always dependent on 3 thing 1 is legit product 2 is dose of that product 3 is consistancy of using this product because 4 weeks doesnt = 8 weeks and 8 weeks doesnt = 16 weeks,,the longer you use legit product the better you look as in quality physiqe,,inaddition the more lean muscle mass you have on you the higher dose you will need to maintain this size ,,pay attention gh15 say SIZE not weight,,because thats the main thing you try keeping but when lean... size = weight
example ,,,you can be as talented as a siami cat and you wotn ever see 230 7% 5'9 when using 75mg tren ace every other day with eq at 600mg a week with testosterona at 500mg a week ....you can use those at those doses from morning to night months over months and the best you will see is 220 7-8% 5'9 ,,why? because thats the limit this drug doses will give yo7u ,,7lb per inch of height ofcourse,,thoe 10 lean lb from 220 to 230 will only come if increase dose,,and from then on its nto only dose but also adding new product such as gh because NO 5'9 EVER SEE 240 250 AT MID SINGLES OR EVEN HIGH SINGLES WITH OUT THE USE OF GH none!
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...because age group under 30 has the gh levels to get the figures you put in you bible quote above, correct?
if so, what ABSOLUTE MINIMAL dosage of gh does the 30+ year old, then have to put back into his system to continue getting the result the under 30 guys were getting when they didnt need to add gh?
I guess this answer would be whaterev is the equivalent dosage in iu's that the average human produces naturally - 2iu?