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much thanks.
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Yea, it's over there
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I am working at the club tonight...
I GUARANTEE I'll have to bitch slap about 4-5 guys that will act like they are pro mma fighter..
it,s like that everytime gsp fights
10 guys if GSP loses..
a body of mine if working for the security for the fight, if GSP lose people will start trowing things at koschek that's for sure
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Please post a link......we've been ordering fights almost every month and our cable bill has been averaging about $270mo, she's getting pissed :-\
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Please post a link......we've been ordering fights almost every month and our cable bill has been averaging about $270mo, she's getting pissed :-\
you are the man Coach, you don't need any explication 8)
tell that to the wife ! ;D
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I am working at the club tonight...
I GUARANTEE I'll have to bitch slap about 4-5 guys that will act like they are pro mma fighter..
it,s like that everytime gsp fights
10 guys if GSP loses..
a body of mine if working for the security for the fight, if GSP lose people will start trowing things at koschek that's for sure
yeah dude, i noticed when i was working that as the emergence of UFC style fighting became popular so did bar violence. they definitely go hand in hand,.
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I am working at the club tonight...
I GUARANTEE I'll have to bitch slap about 4-5 guys that will act like they are pro mma fighter..
it,s like that everytime gsp fights
10 guys if GSP loses..
a body of mine if working for the security for the fight, if GSP lose people will start trowing things at koschek that's for sure
if GSP loses shit is gonna go down lol
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if GSP loses shit is gonna go down lol
fuck yeah, these idiots will go down the streets and break everything like they do when their hockey team loses a big game
that pisses me off
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you are the man Coach, you don't need any explication 8)
tell that to the wife ! ;D
+1 coach probably earns 3x what she does
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Anybody know a site for a free link to GSP and Koscheck?
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www.mmappv.net (http://www.meatspin.com/)
prelims right now
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Maxx if anyone believes you they are an idiot anyways
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www.mmappv.net (http://www.meatspin.com/)
Main card just started!
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Please post a link......we've been ordering fights almost every month and our cable bill has been averaging about $270mo, she's getting pissed :-\
You can write that off on your taxes as part of your job since you are a trainer of MMA guys.
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www.mmappv.net (http://www.meatspin.com/)
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www.mmappv.net (http://www.meatspin.com/)
Main card just started!
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Yeah, Swede wants us all to be gay like most of GB....
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That's what I've been told. Research right? (I'm serious)
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Awesome quality - thanks bro!!
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little swedish midget troll is just pissed cause his #1 mancrush was running away and crying while getting beat down :)
how's that striking of lesnar's coming swede?
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little swedish midget troll is just pissed cause his #1 mancrush was running away and crying while getting beat down :)
how's that striking of lesnar's coming swede?
why are you so upset? :)
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www.mmappv.net (http://www.meatspin.com/)
Main card just started!
This LOSER is on every bodybuilding board known to man tonight posting this garbage.
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This LOSER is on every bodybuilding board known to man tonight posting this garbage.
two? gb and rx? calm down is not that serious haha.
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Good clear signal. Thanks home slice.
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Please post a link......we've been ordering fights almost every month and our cable bill has been averaging about $270mo, she's getting pissed :-\
You let the bitch say this shit knowing you work with some of the fighters and probably need to be watching the PPV for homework.. !!?!? tell her to get her ass back in the kitchen
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www.mmappv.net (http://www.meatspin.com/)
Swede when was it that you finally chose to be queer???
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LOL, I have no fighters on this card. Sometimes you just have to compromise.
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Swede when was it that you finally chose to be queer???
how many spins did you get?
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two? gb and rx? calm down is not that serious haha.
Swede I use to like you a bit, but now you are just another fag.....Not saying it to be offensive you really are gay posting the shit you do....Bay is waiting for you pretty boy
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Swede I use to like you a bit, but now you are just another fag.....Not saying it to be offensive you really are gay posting the shit you do....Bay is waiting for you pretty boy
I wont recover!
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how many spins did you get?
How many gags did it take??
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How many gags did it take??
Im assuming 100+ then? ;D
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Im assuming 100+ then? ;D
It is a shame Swede you are such a fag....Call it what you want you want others to be as gay as you....When did your bf stop using vasoline?
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It is a shame Swede you are such a fag....Call it what you want you want others to be as gay as you....When did your bf stop using vasoline?
Is this the point where Im supposed to get upset because maby deep down im insecure about my sexuality? but what If Im not and it doesnt bother me At all? ;D
how many spins did you get m8?
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I wont recover!
Slurp it up....You seem to be going in that direction lol...How many times did it take till you were able to deepthroat....???
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Slurp it up....You seem to be going in that direction lol...How many times did it take till you were able to deepthroat....???
oh my god you are really getting to me! ;D
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I really don't care if you get upset....You know what you are....You have proven you are very secure about your need for the man meat in your colon...Think about what you went though researching what you wish people would love what you hold dear.....
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I really don't care if you get upset....You know what you are....You have proven you are very secure about your need for the man meat in your colon...Think about what you went though researching what you wish people would love what you hold dear.....
are you upset because you saw something you dont wanna admit you liked and you just reached 1000 spins? lol!
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For the non-fags..... http://mmamayhem.com/page.php?31
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For the non-fags..... http://mmamayhem.com/page.php?31
:)
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:)
Isn't it nice to have a real link and not some fag trying to justify his dick sucking habits....
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Isn't it nice to have a real link and not some fag trying to justify his dick sucking habits....
lol damn swede u aint done good >:(
;D
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lol damn swede u aint done good >:(
;D
He is just ashamed of his fetish for the cock and wants everyone to feel the same way he does....Glad to have a great link for those that want to watch the UFC
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remind me not to ever pull a practical joke on tharealist :P
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remind me not to ever pull a practical joke on tharealist :P
He's been melting for hours..........appreciat e the link though. :)
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It's been a good card so far..
Thanks for the link
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He's been melting for hours..........appreciat e the link though. :)
Meltdown it may be, but I still came with the groovy link(sorry my link didn't contain cocks or buttfucking) for you fags
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Meltdown it may be, but I still came with the groovy link(sorry my link didn't contain cocks or buttfucking) for you fags
I said I appreciate the link, it's been working awesome.
Now back to your meltdown about wieners.
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Meltdown it may be, but I still came with the groovy link(sorry my link didn't contain cocks or buttfucking) for you fags
were u one of those dudes who walked out of a Bruno showing? ;D
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Link isn't working for me, anyone have anything else?
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Link isn't working for me, anyone have anything else?
Fix your broken computer.........it's working great.
Some ginger dude just tapped out that Hazelett kid.
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That punk Koschek is getting ASS kicked......that it all.
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haha, kos gets his karma.
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All you Kos nuthuggers can choke on the ass beatin that GSP gave Kos no doubt!!!! Call it all hype, but Kos was out classed all over again hahahahaha
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i don't think George has even been hit in two years.
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that fight was fucking BORING !!!!!
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Complete and utter domination by GSP,from now on name him Jab St Pierre.On the plus side for Josh,at least if he wears an eye patch he might get a part in a pirate film.
http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_UFC_124_Georges_St_Pierre_vs_Josh_Koscheck_Part_?vid=10014976&tid=100
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Just watched the fight. I was too drunk to watch it when i got in last night.
Awesome performance by GSP. jab-jab-jab. I often find fights that go the distance can be a bit boring(at least you don't have to sit through 12 rounds like boxing) but that was an enjoyable watch.
GSP has to move up or retire. pwns that division and that's putting it lightly.
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I hate Kockchek.
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I hate Kockchek.
X2 TSA scanners sucks.
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I hate Kockchek.
X2 TSA scanners sucks.
Eye C Wut U diD DeR!
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GSP has a unique ability to make all forms of fighting tedious.
He learns ninjitsu and makes ninja's boring i'm going to be pissed.
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Eye C Wut U diD DeR!
Did you like that fight ,Chaos /
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Did you like that fight ,Chaos /
Eh. It could have been more exciting if Koz would have put up more of a fight, but GSP beat him after he landed the first couple of jabs.
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Eh. It could have been more exciting if Koz would have put up more of a fight, but GSP beat him after he landed the first couple of jabs.
Yeah,it wasn't even a fight It looked more like a GSP light sparring session.
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Yeah,it wasn't even a fight It looked more like a GSP light sparring session.
Yeah, Josh was looking for the right hand single shot KO the whole time. His only defense was to stop the takedowns. I found it kind of funny that it wasn't until the 5th round that he started keeping his hand high up over that side of his head.
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Josh was looking for the right hand single shot KO the whole time.
Exactly
His stand up sucks , 0 combination, predictable looping right hand every 2 minutes + 0 head movement ::) easy win for George .
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Hahaha Josh got his ASS KICKED hahahaha.
And got taken down within 15 min, has to suck for a calibre wrestler like josh.
whats next.... maby A silva in some catch weight or something, No one is even close at 170.
Props to josh for not backing out due to the swelling, he had a chance do to that after round 3 easily.
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Cant see shit captain!
Maby more jabs in mma now!
(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/5843/josh2p.jpg)(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/4616/josh1.jpg)
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(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/494/josh3y.jpg)
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Damn, imagine his face today!!! :o
he probably looks like a pumpkin
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Damn, imagine his face today!!! :o
he probably looks like a pumpkin
ngga is hurting today thats for sure lol.
the boos at the entrance were Hillarious aand all the random hockey inspired chants during the fight haha. Monteral rules
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on a side note Matt Riddle might have the worst striking in the entire ufc, that was painful to watch and Im not even into boxing lol.
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Poor CoatCheck got his ass whooped..
"1"
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ngga is hurting today thats for sure lol.
the boos at the entrance were Hillarious aand all the random hockey inspired chants during the fight haha. Monteral rules
if you've ever driven in/through Montreal you wouldn't be saying that... I don't know how the french drive in Europe, but every time I'm driving close to Montreal I want to kill everybody on the road, NOT ONE PERSON follows any road sign/stop sign/red light there, bunch of fucking animals..
btw. That Riddle guy (red head dude) was INSANE, never seen someone take so many shots and have it barely affect them, he just kept coming like Jason in the Friday the 13th movies... lol
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I think he looks better than normal.
GSP needs to drop the boxing, that shit doesn't work in mma.
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btw. That Riddle guy (red head dude) was INSANE, never seen someone take so many shots and have it barely affect them, he just kept coming like Jason in the Friday the 13th movies... lol
Probably because of his Insane condition which leads to super fast recovery, looked like he liked getting hit, if he only knew how to strike.. potential but man I thought hes striking would be better by now..
Hazlett getting subbed was crazy also. and I guess why have to keep an eye out for Jim Miller also
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Probably because of his Insane condition which leads to super fast recovery, looked like he liked getting hit, if he only knew how to strike.. potential but man I thought hes striking would be better by now..
Hazlett getting subbed was crazy also. and I guess why have to keep an eye out for Jim Miller also
Yeah, GSP isn't a power guy though. He may like getting hit but he will get ktfo when he fights a puncher unless he improves his defense.
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I think he looks better than normal.
GSP needs to drop the boxing, that shit doesn't work in mma.
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Clearly it didn't work tonight at all.
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Yeah, GSP isn't a power guy though. He may like getting hit but he will get ktfo when he fights a puncher unless he improves his defense.
ehh, I didnt talk about gsp.. gsp didnt almost get hit At all never does
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ehh, I didnt talk about gsp.. gsp didnt almost get hit At all never does
Koschek. Gsp was the one hitting him and all. Kos has nothing standing, he only survived because george isn't a puncher.
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I wonder who he faces next that can even create a hype, who poses a threat :-\
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Lesnar.
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"MONTREAL – With the UFC's return to Canada already slated for April, it was easy to anticipate the question.
Will Canadian superstar and welterweight champion Georges St-Pierre be available to headline April's UFC 131 event, which marks the promotion's debut in Toronto and takes place at the 69,000-seat Rogers Centre?
If it's up to the champ, he sure will. UFC president Dana White isn't ready to commit to that just yet, but he said there are a few more big guns that may also be available to take part in the blockbuster event."
I wonder I wonder, sheilds I guess
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Kos has nothing standing, he only survived because george isn't a puncher.
Disagree. He’s an awesome striker and does have power. He simply fights smart, and utilizes *less risky* tools from his arsenal to win a fight.
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Probably because of his Insane condition which leads to super fast recovery, looked like he liked getting hit, if he only knew how to strike.. potential but man I thought hes striking would be better by now..
Hazlett getting subbed was crazy also. and I guess why have to keep an eye out for Jim Miller also
My friend (who's one of the top wrestler's in Canada) was his opponent's (Pierson) roommate in University, bunch of his friends were at cageside for the fight, that redhead dude was insane though, if he learns how to strike... :o :o
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Disagree. He’s an awesome striker and does have power. He simply fights smart, and utilizes *less risky* tools from his arsenal to win a fight.
He hits people a lot, they finish fights. He is a good technical striker, that has nothing to do with power.
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what was the crazy fight at the prelim that should have won the fight of the night accordingly to dana?
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He hits people a lot, they finish fights. He is a good technical striker, that has nothing to do with power.
but not a "puncher" ?
you make sense lol.
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but not a "puncher" ?
you make sense lol.
Are you a fucking retard? Mayweather is one of the most technical fighters ever and makes Gsp look like a novice, is he a puncher?
What the fuck does technical ability have to do with power.
You make yourself look like such a dumb #girl every time you post.
I forgot this is the dumbass who fought that brawling was a skill and that Lesnar was going to ragdoll Cain....
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a puncher is someone that can punch, you said gsp can so hes a "puncher".
and I ddidnt mention Mayweather and I didnt say anything about what technical ability have to do with power
stop making stuff upp All the time, you and me both know you're the one looking like an ass in Every mma thread. Because that boxing glove is waaay too far up your ass to watch mma just yet..
So stop crying in every damn mma thread on the forum lol.
thats all. haha
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a puncher is someone that can punch, you said gsp can so hes a "puncher".
and I ddidnt mention Mayweather and I didnt say anything about what technical ability have to do with power
stop making stuff upp All the time, you and me both know you're the one looking like an ass in Every mma thread. Because that boxing glove is waaay too far up your ass to watch mma just yet..
So stop crying in every damn mma thread on the forum lol.
thats all. haha
I know more about mma than you would ever know Swede, or any combat sport for that matter.
You tried to be a smartass and got owned like normal. Maybe because english is not your native language, maybe not.
Point being that as usual you are wrong.
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a puncher is someone that can punch,
Haha
Puncher
(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2009-07-07-eltonjohnflamboyant.jpg)
No puncher
(http://www.fadedtribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/fp_3216257_barm_limbless_man_062909.jpg)
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Puncher = a guy with power.
Not somebody that can throw a punch which would be the entire population of earth.
Swede's brain is close to exploding having been exposed to this information.
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Puncher = a guy with power.
Not somebody that can throw a punch which would be the entire population of earth.
Swede's brain is close to exploding having been exposed to this information.
There is a difference between everyone in the world and gsp striking skills no? no? no?
didnt know it meant hard hitter, thought it meant someone who can strike good as in decent techical striker as you said gsp were.. sry I dont klnow boxing lingo lol.
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There is a difference between everyone in the world and gsp striking skills no? no? no?
didnt know it meant hard hitter, thought it meant someone who can strike good as in decent techical striker as you said gsp were.. sry I dont klnow boxing lingo lol.
Don't comment on shit you don't know about then. ;)
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Don't comment on shit you don't know about then. ;)
if you took your own advice you wouldnt be in every mma thread saying that tyson would be the ufc champ.
I commented on what I thought it was, a decent puncher to me is a decent striker and to alot of others also , oh well =)
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if you took your own advice you wouldnt be in every mma thread saying that tyson would be the ufc champ.
I commented on what I thought it was, a decent puncher to me is a decent striker and to alot of others also , oh well =)
Making shit up now i see, i have never said Tyson would be UFC champ.
The most i have ever said is that elite athletes adapt quicker. GSP case in point, he didn't even wrestle in highschool.
As i said GSP needs to drop the boxing, forget the jabbing, it doesn't work in mma. ::)
I am a fan of all combat sports. You need to educate yourself in regards to fighting and then maybe you wouldn't make yourself look stupid all of the time.
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As i said GSP needs to drop the boxing, forget the jabbing, it doesn't work in mma. ::)
I am a fan of all combat sports. You need to educate yourself in regards to fighting and then maybe you wouldn't make yourself look stupid all of the time.
So he lost? or did he dominate?
I dont know if you're even serious or just trolling..
I guess boxers should stop boxing in boxing then because they never finish fights it seems like..
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Making shit up now i see, i have never said Tyson would be UFC champ.
The most i have ever said is that elite athletes adapt quicker. GSP case in point, he didn't even wrestle in highschool.
As i said GSP needs to drop the boxing, forget the jabbing, it doesn't work in mma. ::)
I am a fan of all combat sports. You need to educate yourself in regards to fighting and then maybe you wouldn't make yourself look stupid all of the time.
LOL
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LOL
he has to be a troll right?
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So he lost? or did he dominate?
I dont know if you're even serious or just trolling..
I guess boxers should stop boxing in boxing then because they never finish fights it seems like..
Sarcasm...
The ammount of times i have heard mma fans like yourself who know nothing about combat sports say such things...
Are you high? You seem even more moronic than normal.
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Making shit up now i see, i have never said Tyson would be UFC champ.
The most i have ever said is that elite athletes adapt quicker. GSP case in point, he didn't even wrestle in highschool.
As i said GSP needs to drop the boxing, forget the jabbing, it doesn't work in mma. ::)
I am a fan of all combat sports. You need to educate yourself in regards to fighting and then maybe you wouldn't make yourself look stupid all of the time.
Wow....
Guess GSP musta lost last night, right?
Cause his boxing doesnt work, right? ::)
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Wow....
Guess GSP musta lost last night, right?
Cause his boxing doesnt work, right? ::)
Read above.
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Read above.
Yeah, youre the one that makes no sense.
If someone is winning with what hes doing, why would you say its not working? ::)
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Yeah, youre the one that makes no sense.
If someone is winning with what hes doing, why would you say its not working? ::)
I was being sarcastic. Hence the read above post where i clarified the point i was making...
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I was being sarcastic. Hence the read above post where i clarified the point i was making...
epic backtracking haha
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I think jaime is more interested in meatspin
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epic backtracking haha
You said boxing doesn't work in mma midget, i was mocking your stupidity.
All the top fighters have decent boxing now and use boxing techniques.
Surprised you came back to this thread the ammount of times you have been owned in it.
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You said boxing doesn't work in mma midget, i was mocking your stupidity.
All the top fighters have decent boxing now and use boxing techniques.
Surprised you came back to this thread the ammount of times you have been owned in it.
only boxing doesnt you stupid fuck, hence the james toney fight lol. Now gsp only knows striking and thats proof boxers would dominate? hahahah
you're littarly too stupid to even realise it...
Now go ahead and keep saying that tyson would kill everyone and punching didnt work for gsp lol
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would you homos just shut the fuck up about boxing in mma?
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would you homos just shut the fuck up about boxing in mma?
Meltdown.
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only boxing doesnt you stupid fuck, hence the james toney fight lol.
you're littarly too stupid to even realise it...
Now go ahead and keep saying that tyson would kill everyone and punching didnt work for gsp lol
Haha you ugly little girl. Your stupidity knows no limits.
I never said anything about single disciplines doing anything in mma.
GSP's boxing techniques work great in mma as do every other champion at the moment.
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Haha you ugly little #girl. Your stupidity knows no limits.
I never said anything about single disciplines doing anything in mma.
GSP's boxing techniques work great in mma as do every other champion at the moment.
and I never said boxing doesnt work in mma You did, I have however said pure boxers will get owned in mma as they have... all you do is put words in peoples mouth and try and correct them haha.
so tyson would still be the ufc champ or not? or backtracking on that claim also? lol
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he has to be a troll right?
:D
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and I never said boxing doesnt work in mma You did, I have however said pure boxers will get owned in mma as they have...
so tyson would still be the ufc champ or not? or backtracking on that claim also? lol
Find a quote where i said Tyson would be champ without grappling....
I was mocking guys like Rutten who have said that things like jabbing doesn't work in mma lol
Pure anything gets owned in mma.
I can't even be bothered, the sarcasm was so obvious.
And why does this fucking board keep changing curse words to shit like #girl.
you fucking little girl.
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Find a quote where i said Tyson would be champ without grappling.....
and when I do you would just claim that was "sarcasm" hahahahaha
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and when I do you would just claim that was "sarcasm" hahahahaha
No. I use the rolls eyes icon when i'm being sarcastic. ;)
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No. I use the rolls eyes icon when i'm being sarcastic. ;)
I think he looks better than normal.
GSP needs to drop the boxing, that shit doesn't work in mma.
so....
will you stop talking out of your ass now?
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so....
dumbo
Exception. Same joke as my other posts. You hate boxing, said it doen't work in mma. I was trolling. GSP dominated with great wrestling and good boxing last night.
Keep crying. :-*
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Exception. Same joke as my other posts. You hate boxing, said it doen't work in mma. I was trolling. GSP dominated with great wrestling and good boxing last night.
Keep crying. :-*
hahahahah
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Swede did you say boxers never finish fights ?
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Swede did you say boxers never finish fights ?
I think I said "doesnt seem to" ofc it happends. Floyds 5 most recent fights and and last 3 fights from manny and Mosley's most recent two etc has gone to the braindamage 12 rounds
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I think I said "doesnt seem to" ofc it happends. Floyds 5 most recent fights and and last 3 fights from manny and Mosley's most recent two etc has gone to the braindamage 12 rounds
I guess ::)
Pac 52 wins - 38 Ko's
Mosley 46 wins -39 Ko's
PBF 41 wins - 25 Ko's
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I guess ::)
Pac 52 wins - 38 Ko's
Mosley 46 wins -39 Ko's
PBF 41 wins - 25 Ko's
I havent followed all their fights I said as you noticed in the post above "most recent" and Im sure they can finish fights if they decide they dont wanna get braindamage or clinch for 12 rounds
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I havent followed all their fights I said as you noticed in the post above "most recent" and Im sure they can finish fights if they decide they dont wanna get braindamage or clinch for 12 rounds
GSP last 5 fights 4 went to decision what's your point ?
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GSP last 5 fights 4 went to decision what's your point ?
12 rounds? have I said gsp finishes every fight? whats your point? lol
Junior dos Santos has finished 11 our of his most recet 12 fights within 3 rounds not 12. (one loss also)
Cain Velasquez has finished 8 out of his recent 9 fight Within 3 rounds (mostly 1st round)
Shane carwin has finished his last 12 fight within the 1st round not within 12.. (except loss to lesnar)
etc etc
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12 rounds? have I said gsp finishes every fight? whats your point? lol
Junior dos Santos has finished 11 our of his most recet 12 fights within 3 rounds not 12. (one loss also)
Cain Velasquez has finished 8 out of his recent 9 fight Within 3 rounds (mostly 1st round)
Shane carwin has finished his last 12 fight within the 1st round not within 12.. (except loss to lesnar)
etc etc
Edwin Valero 27 wins 27 KO's 18 in the 1st round
Tyrone Brunson 21 wins 20 KO 19 in the 1st round
Tyson ........................ ........................ ....etc
What's your point?
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Edwin Valero 27 wins 27 KO's 18 in the 1st round
Tyrone Brunson 21 wins 20 KO 19 in the 1st round
Tyson ........................ ........................ ....etc
What's your point?
that alot of the recent fights ive seen have went 12 rounds...
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that alot of the recent fights ive seen have went 12 rounds...
OK I'm done ;D
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OK I'm done ;D
I wish boxing fights would be that before 12 rounds ;D
juuust kidding
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Broke his orbital bone in the first round.. and fought 4 more rounds.
SAme bone as bob sapp broke and fell to the ground crying lol.
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Broke his orbital bone in the first round.. and fought 4 more rounds.
SAme bone as bob sapp broke and fell to the ground crying lol.
Wow, GSP broke his orbital with that first jab!?! holy shit
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dont know if first jab, but first round apparently
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I'm not surprised.
Respect to Koschek for taking so many jabs anto it and still going on. I doubt i could've done the same. I could almost feel his pain when he was wincing when the ice was getting put on it.
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I'm not surprised.
Respect to Koschek for taking so many jabs anto it and still going on. I doubt i could've done the same. I could almost feel his pain when he was wincing when the ice was getting put on it.
ya, he was getting so pissed at the ice guy. then he knows he has to go get punched in that spot a hundred more times. by the fifth round twenty minutes after it happened it musta hurt like hell.
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Please post a link......we've been ordering fights almost every month and our cable bill has been averaging about $270mo, she's getting pissed :-\
Isn't that a tax write off for you since you train them?