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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: diamonddelts77 on December 14, 2010, 12:00:45 AM
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why is everyone shunning me for not pct after my cycle me and the others at the gym never pct especially the old timers, now this younger generation is all on these clomids and AI's what is your opinion on this matter
and yes this is my first post been lurking for sometime, great threads and advice by people on this board
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why is everyone shunning me for not pct after my cycle me and the others at the gym never pct especially the old timers, now this younger generation is all on these clomids and AI's what is your opinion on this matter
and yes this is my first post been lurking for sometime, great threads and advice by people on this board
gh15 doesn't know about PCT because he has never gone off.
Sorry.
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BTW, my personal feeling is that PCT with all that stuff like Clomid, Nolva and so on is probably a much bigger problem for your health than just getting off.
;D ;D
(no personal experiences though, just an idea).
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Yes, gh15 says it internet balonie, stupid invention of generation nothingness. Dude, check gh15`s profile, last posts by this member and start reading. Thats what he calls bible. Do that and come then asking if theres still something unclear!
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i read it through multiple times great advice best i ever seen but nothing on pct unless i skimmed over it
so what is everyone else opinion on pct?
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Useless!!!!
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never did PCT ever...
ran deca + tren together with no problems..
umm ya
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Not a huge fan of it
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you never should go off, so you wont need pct. At least be on 200 mgs of test year round, when not on a heavy cycle. 200 mg a week of test is a therapeutic dose used for hormone replacement therapy and will keep your test levels high.
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Use your money to buy steroids that make you big dont waste money on girly drugs like nolvodex ::)
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Won't you get bitch tits without pct?
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you never should go off, so you wont need pct. At least be on 200 mgs of test year round, when not on a heavy cycle. 200 mg a week of test is a therapeutic dose used for hormone replacement therapy and will keep your test levels high.
what a bright future... juice till your grave. ::)
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Hi god,
How do pro avoid bad skin, acne etc.. ?
Is the HGH helping to have good skin or do they take other products ?
What is a typical pro bodybuilder day ?
Thank you.
gh clean skin ,,but also many over the counter and also many under the counter product that is easy to get,,in general when on gh you have no much need for that,,gh clean skin very well,,it just give you glow,,you look at your forarms after a while and askin yourself ,,is this really me there,,i keep tellin you you can have fucked up genetics ,,real bad genetics,,and realy repond to steroid quite average,,and still on hgh you will just look like bodybuilder,,legit gh that is ,,skin glow,,bodyfat reduction is immediate you just walk around knowing you are the shit because you feel how your body take you into the singles in matter of 30 days and it just go crazy from there
pro bodybuilder day is involved around timing of injects,,timing of training if you have to train since there is a lot of rest,,and ofcourse food not as much as you think as clean food but food like anyone else only morelol then there is guest show ,,supp store openings,,contract photoshoot,,hormone business lol ya know the good ole good ole
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Remember these non-PCT guys are the same one's you see flooding every juice board whining about how they're 21 and their dick doesn't work anymore and they're depressed..and getting smaller and softer by the minute..and then rationalize by saying, "It's ok, I'll just stay on the rest of my life and use triple doses daily of Cialis and Viagra." Yep, you should definitely listen to guys like that.
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Remember these non-PCT guys are the same one's you see flooding every juice board whining about how they're 21 and their dick doesn't work anymore and they're depressed..and getting smaller and softer by the minute..and then rationalize by saying, "It's ok, I'll just stay on the rest of my life and use triple doses daily of Cialis and Viagra." Yep, you should definitely listen to guys like that.
If you actually refer to me, i did pct.
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he;s said in the past its just a way dealers get you to buy more shit
hcg is all you need to get ur sack in check or get americano grl prego - other than that body returns to homeostasis within weeks no matter what
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what for people like me who have tiny tiny balls ?
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Guys Do not take CLOMID never take that shit.
You can take HCG and Tamoxifen if you want to. IT also depend on how long was your cycle. If you ran a long heavy cycle you won't need PCT at all. If you ran a small cycle not long, you may find pct helpful.
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Care to elaborate why you don't like clomid. That's what I use everytime during my pct and it works better than nolva for me.
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BTW, my personal feeling is that PCT with all that stuff like Clomid, Nolva and so on is probably a much bigger problem for your health than just getting off.
;D ;D
(no personal experiences though, just an idea).
:-X :-X :-X lolz!
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Remember these non-PCT guys are the same one's you see flooding every juice board whining about how they're 21 and their dick doesn't work anymore and they're depressed..and getting smaller and softer by the minute..and then rationalize by saying, "It's ok, I'll just stay on the rest of my life and use triple doses daily of Cialis and Viagra." Yep, you should definitely listen to guys like that.
If you think PCT cures your libido problems from running heavy cycles you're wrong. If you think PCT will maintain the mass you built from steroids, you're wrong. Yes, clomid and the like may increase your test from 100-300 while you're on it but there are side effects. If you did one cycle and will never go back on it may be a good idea to try PCT drugs to get back in line... but most who start juicing, never stop permanently, so...
If sperm count is bad and you're trying to conceive HCG, HMG and SERMs etc may be warranted. But don't imagine PCT drugs cure your juice side-effects... they don't. You'll still have to do the Viagra and Cialis.
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Wanna have kids? -> HCG
Wanna get big? -> UP THE DOSE!!!!!
spude approved 8)
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he;s said in the past its just a way dealers get you to buy more shit
hcg is all you need to get ur sack in check or get americano grl prego - other than that body returns to homeostasis within weeks no matter what
agreed.
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My balls stay the size of a peanut no matter how much hcg I take
fuck my balls
I still shoot hchg every few days cause I heard it would stop the cells that produces spermatozoids to be destroyed.
I'd like to have kids in 2-3 years
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My balls stay the size of a peanut no matter how much hcg I take
fuck my balls
I still shoot hchg every few days cause I heard it would stop the cells that produces spermatozoids to be destroyed.
I'd like to have kids in 2-3 years
i live right next to a kindergarten...........y ou want me to catch you one??
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They are not destroyed, they are in "stand-bye" because you got test from exogenous. But if they stay in "stand-bye" to long, they ll be inactive.
Stop shooting HCG NOW !!! keep your cycle and at the end of the cycle wait 2 months, go get blood work and if your balls are still small, take hcg again but in a short period.
If you balls won't grow again, go see a specialist.
BUT NO CLOMID. Only Tamoxifen 20mg a day that's it.
The body will go to homeostasis by himself in a natural way, if you try to help him by giving him some shit for women, you ll fucked it up.
Clomid will help FSH who cares about FSH, you Want LH to help testo not FSH. You can ask every pro bodybuilder they will tell you to never take clomid !
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Guys Do not take CLOMID never take that shit.
You can take HCG and Tamoxifen if you want to. IT also depend on how long was your cycle. If you ran a long heavy cycle you won't need PCT at all. If you ran a small cycle not long, you may find pct helpful.
This. I just had this happen. WTF causes this, when the longer heavy cycles arent nearly so bad?
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They are not destroyed, they are in "stand-bye" because you got test from exogenous. But if they stay in "stand-bye" to long, they ll be inactive.
Stop shooting HCG NOW !!! keep your cycle and at the end of the cycle wait 2 months, go get blood work and if your balls are still small, take hcg again but in a short period.
If you balls won't grow again, go see a specialist.
BUT NO CLOMID. Only Tamoxifen 20mg a day that's it.
The body will go to homeostasis by himself in a natural way, if you try to help him by giving him some shit for women, you ll fucked it up.
Clomid will help FSH who cares about FSH, you Want LH to help testo not FSH. You can ask every pro bodybuilder they will tell you to never take clomid !
I will never get off again, do that's why I shoot small doses of hcg.
I am not doing a "cycle"
I started this summer and will stop in my coffin
boom !
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what for people like me who have tiny tiny balls ?
I feel you stav.. ;D ;D :'(
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I feel you stav.. ;D ;D :'(
as long as the cock is working fine I got no complaints from the lady 8)
if I can'T have kids I'll ask my good looking brother to give me his sperm in a cup (no homo) and I'll use that to have my kids 8)
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They are not destroyed, they are in "stand-bye" because you got test from exogenous. But if they stay in "stand-bye" to long, they ll be inactive.
Stop shooting HCG NOW !!! keep your cycle and at the end of the cycle wait 2 months, go get blood work and if your balls are still small, take hcg again but in a short period.
If you balls won't grow again, go see a specialist.
BUT NO CLOMID. Only Tamoxifen 20mg a day that's it.
The body will go to homeostasis by himself in a natural way, if you try to help him by giving him some shit for women, you ll fucked it up.
Clomid will help FSH who cares about FSH, you Want LH to help testo not FSH. You can ask every pro bodybuilder they will tell you to never take clomid !
Can you tell me why short light cycles cause worse shutdown symptoms than long heavy cycles? Im dealing with this now, and its confusing to me.
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WELL.. since most never really come off the whole pct thing is moot.. but to those who wish to come off all a "pct" will do is sometimes prolong recovery.. you will feel like shit for a bit (few weeks) but things will kick in.. pct will not allow you to hold gains in the long run.. that is why when most come off they are actually doing 300 grams of test lol.. but i do agree that if you run a pct then use nolva.. no clomid.. using aromasin and nolva has beens shown to increase test levels dramatically but once you come off you are at square 1 again.. i will shoot test until the grave.. i have no issues with that.. i am 43.. what will my test levels be naturally? pretty shitty.. so why go through that..?
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WELL.. since most never really come off the whole pct thing is moot.. but to those who wish to come off all a "pct" will do is sometimes prolong recovery.. you will feel like shit for a bit (few weeks) but things will kick in.. pct will not allow you to hold gains in the long run.. that is why when most come off they are actually doing 300 grams of test lol.. but i do agree that if you run a pct then use nolva.. no clomid.. using aromasin and nolva has beens shown to increase test levels dramatically but once you come off you are at square 1 again.. i will shoot test until the grave.. i have no issues with that.. i am 43.. what will my test levels be naturally? pretty shitty.. so why go through that..?
QFT
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I just took my first shot in a month of being off and I don't think I'll ever run PCT again. Just take breaks and some occasional HCG. Viagra and cialis can be used if the pussy you're pulling in is inadequate for getting your dick hard too. I stocked up for emergencies and never needed it, so I just gave half away and take some every now and again when I feel like destroying vag for hours.
Just be smart and use responsible doses. Learn how your body works too. And just take general health supps and shit like AIs when its appropriate. Save your cash for more gear and GH!!!
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My balls stay the size of a peanut no matter how much hcg I take
fuck my balls
I still shoot hchg every few days cause I heard it would stop the cells that produces spermatozoids to be destroyed.
I'd like to have kids in 2-3 years
Its ok stavios... i have peanut balls too. Usually nuts are the last thing women are concerned with. They are usually to busy gawking over the dick size or body ;D
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i said opinion about pct already 2300 times on getbig,,i said its internet made up crap,,no one did it back in the sergio day and no one need it now,,body wsant homeostasis,,everything wil ge tback to normal with time off,,not a month not 2 but a good year,, you want it faster? you want balls big fast? god knows why its just for look but whatevr they dont matter what mater is cock my friends who care bout balls unless you want kids,,if you do and need to get her pregnant fast,,use hcg and use lots of it in a blitz,,do it with doc supervision if not knwoing what to do ,,then youll get her prego after a while,,i find the other shit not needed,,why in the god name you wil take nolvadex shit they made for chics to reduce breast cancer tumors?? are yuo a freakin chic? why woudl you use clomid? what you go all sensetive and want to be crying when watch et phone home? i dont understant this,,use hcg blwo them up fast and go back to ball size,,should work on most,, if not then do it in few stages,,and what hcg cant bring ....time and body homeostsis wil bring,,at the end body want to get back to where it always been ,,and unless you are 6 feet under it will
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Chemical PCT is a waste of time, simply a way for dealers to make more money.
Body recovers naturally...
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My balls stay the size of a peanut no matter how much hcg I take
fuck my balls
I still shoot hchg every few days cause I heard it would stop the cells that produces spermatozoids to be destroyed.
I'd like to have kids in 2-3 years
You've gotten fake gear before. Check your source. You'd probably get it prescribed by an hrt or fertility clinic. Hcg made me wicked horny. I expect you'd be seeing the same side effect.
Get to a doc if you're serious about your fertility. These clowns are guessing. "Don't take anything for women, take tamoxifen. Clomid is for FSH. FSH doesn't do anything." ::)
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My balls stay the size of a peanut no matter how much hcg I take
fuck my balls
I still shoot hchg every few days cause I heard it would stop the cells that produces spermatozoids to be destroyed.
I'd like to have kids in 2-3 years
Hahahaha, that ain't gonna happen..
I think I already posted this about 5 times in the past, I have a buddy that's a pro, lives in Toronto but not originally from here, won't name him because it's embarrassing, he's been on gear for about 14 years straight with no breaks..then a few years ago his wife wanted to have kids so he went off for a year or so to clear out and knock her up, doc's told him his sperm were gone, dead, zero
from all the years of suppressing his natural test production, his wife is now very pissed and I think they are getting divorced.
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You've gotten fake gear before. Check your source. You'd probably get it prescribed by an hrt or fertility clinic. Hcg made me wicked horny. I expect you'd be seeing the same side effect.
Get to a doc if you're serious about your fertility. These clowns are guessing. "Don't take anything for women, take tamoxifen. Clomid is for FSH. FSH doesn't do anything." ::)
Of course you should go to a doctor if you are very worry and if your balls stay the same size.
what i meant was that Clomid is very bad for Men, it can have very bad side and it can make your balls even smaller. Tamoxifen can help you, an endocrinologist give me 20mg a day for 2 weeks and everything was better. HCG can also help you but if with all the hcg you take, you have no effect, either it's fake HCG either you have serious probleme. It can mean that your cells does not respond to LH. Go see a doctor.
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Hahahaha, that ain't gonna happen..
I think I already posted this about 5 times in the past, I have a buddy that's a pro, lives in Toronto but not originally from here, won't name him because it's embarrassing, he's been on gear for about 14 years straight with no breaks..then a few years ago his wife wanted to have kids so he went off for a year or so to clear out and knock her up, doc's told him his sperm were gone, dead, zero
from all the years of suppressing his natural test production, his wife is now very pissed and I think they are getting divorced.
dont scare the stavios!
i think its' very individual thing- the body shutting down completely or not- look at mark dugdale- conceived one of his children the night he won the USA's i believe.
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Hahahaha, that ain't gonna happen..
I think I already posted this about 5 times in the past, I have a buddy that's a pro, lives in Toronto but not originally from here, won't name him because it's embarrassing, he's been on gear for about 14 years straight with no breaks..then a few years ago his wife wanted to have kids so he went off for a year or so to clear out and knock her up, doc's told him his sperm were gone, dead, zero
from all the years of suppressing his natural test production, his wife is now very pissed and I think they are getting divorced.
At least was it worth it? :-\
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Hahahaha, that ain't gonna happen..
I think I already posted this about 5 times in the past, I have a buddy that's a pro, lives in Toronto but not originally from here, won't name him because it's embarrassing, he's been on gear for about 14 years straight with no breaks..then a few years ago his wife wanted to have kids so he went off for a year or so to clear out and knock her up, doc's told him his sperm were gone, dead, zero
from all the years of suppressing his natural test production, his wife is now very pissed and I think they are getting divorced.
It's not embarassing and I think I know who you are talking about (not a lot of pros in canada)
but I haven't been on for 14 years tho, I have taken a lot of breaks before.
MAYBE this will be the case but like I said, if I can't have kids so what there are other ways.
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Hahahaha, that ain't gonna happen..
I think I already posted this about 5 times in the past, I have a buddy that's a pro, lives in Toronto but not originally from here, won't name him because it's embarrassing, he's been on gear for about 14 years straight with no breaks..then a few years ago his wife wanted to have kids so he went off for a year or so to clear out and knock her up, doc's told him his sperm were gone, dead, zero
from all the years of suppressing his natural test production, his wife is now very pissed and I think they are getting divorced.
Then he is the exception, not the rule. Plus he wouldn't even have had to go off, if trying to boost sperm count with chemicals. Who knows, going totally off might even hurt.
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It's not embarassing and I think I know who you are talking about (not a lot of pros in canada)
but I haven't been on for 14 years tho, I have taken a lot of breaks before.
MAYBE this will be the case but like I said, if I can't have kids so what there are other ways.
i can think of two. ben pakulski and frank mcgrath lol
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i can think of two. ben pakulski and frank mcgrath lol
nop ;)
he sais not from here
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Hahahaha, that ain't gonna happen..
I think I already posted this about 5 times in the past, I have a buddy that's a pro, lives in Toronto but not originally from here, won't name him because it's embarrassing, he's been on gear for about 14 years straight with no breaks..then a few years ago his wife wanted to have kids so he went off for a year or so to clear out and knock her up, doc's told him his sperm were gone, dead, zero
from all the years of suppressing his natural test production, his wife is now very pissed and I think they are getting divorced.
is this the same doc that say to bodybuilder when come to hospital ,,oh we need to open leg inside out and make it in the operation room ,,you will have 12 inch scar and we let it heal from the inside out while you have the abcess sit 2 inches from the surface of the leg and a simple accodion method poking and draining would work? is this same doc,,becase to me it sound like its same doc,,
doctors ARE NOTHING BUT SHIT! they are only good when it comes to practical applications aof their specialty,,and even then in americnaa they suck its the equipment that good in americana ,,surgons are good ,,doctors in most case are really in this day and age all book hands,,quite sad to be true,,
ofcoure what doc said was rubbish,,and sperm count will go up with time with or with out hcg,,in rare cases there may be a problem but this is 1 out of 1000,,and even then if got the money baby can be done from dna ,,just need money ,,in most cases there is no problem ,,you have kids of mega doses individuals who used for 20 years strsaight at very high doses ,,they have familys ,,
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then small balls fella stavio will have kids
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didnt rich gaspari have a daughter after being a pro for 20 years o and bob chick too
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didnt rich gaspari have a daughter after being a pro for 20 years o and bob chick too
and coleman had triplets of soemthang
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can you gradually decrease doses until you're down to none?
how would that work out?
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can you gradually decrease doses until you're down to none?
how would that work out?
(http://www.weirdthings.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/worlds-smallest-bodybuilder-1.jpg)
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It's not embarassing and I think I know who you are talking about (not a lot of pros in canada)
but I haven't been on for 14 years tho, I have taken a lot of breaks before.
MAYBE this will be the case but like I said, if I can't have kids so what there are other ways.
It's fucked up man, he's middle eastern and in their culture kids/family is very important..
is this the same doc that say to bodybuilder when come to hospital ,,oh we need to open leg inside out and make it in the operation room ,,you will have 12 inch scar and we let it heal from the inside out while you have the abcess sit 2 inches from the surface of the leg and a simple accodion method poking and draining would work? is this same doc,,becase to me it sound like its same doc,,
doctors ARE NOTHING BUT SHIT! they are only good when it comes to practical applications aof their specialty,,and even then in americnaa they suck its the equipment that good in americana ,,surgons are good ,,doctors in most case are really in this day and age all book hands,,quite sad to be true,,
ofcoure what doc said was rubbish,,and sperm count will go up with time with or with out hcg,,in rare cases there may be a problem but this is 1 out of 1000,,and even then if got the money baby can be done from dna ,,just need money ,,in most cases there is no problem ,,you have kids of mega doses individuals who used for 20 years strsaight at very high doses ,,they have familys ,,
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Heh, I don't know, I know he went to several doctors/fertility clinics, etc. I agree with you about doctors though, half of them don't know WTF they're talking about..
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ALWAYS ALWAYS get 2nd or even 3rd opinions whenever you go to the doc...
you never know
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ALWAYS ALWAYS get 2nd or even 3rd opinions whenever you go to the doc...
you never know
bump for the truth
my dad would not be alive if he didn't go to 5-6 different hospitals until someone found what was wrong with him