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Dear God of Hormones, i've got a good gh connect and want to get some. What kind've results would I get at 5iu per day? Should I use more?
Would it be worth the money to start it 12 weeks pre-contest or should I begin it earlier? I'd love to run 10iu a day but money is kind've an issue.
testosterona trenbolona equipona masterona gh
30days going from 220 13% to to 230-240 10% some of the water will drop week 3 so you will be closer to 230
60days going from 230 10% to 230 8% new surface start develop on frame that was not existing beforehand no matter how much steroid you took
90days going from 230 8% to 230 6-7% with new solid 3 dimention to physiqe where you look as big as a 250lb fella next to you in the gymthat is same bodyfat yet only on steroid and no gh within 6-12 months of comparison
120days 4-6 week out from competition level whiel maintaining all weight and increasing size
150days higher level competetive bodybuilder similar to magazine look physiqe but nto quite due to you being on 5 iu and they being on 15iu
180+days competetive bodybuilder ready to compete at 4 week notice in any national competition around the world,,very quality looking physiqe ,,solid ab line with minimal water weight ,,constant 6%,,7-8 if you really realy eat shit like there is no tomorow and dont know what youre doing
* steroids a mut
8eatign mommy and pappi a must asin you got to eat period ,,its not steroid where food is not that important ,,hgh food matter!
gh15 approved
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day 90 is usually when you start hearing the words are you a bodybuilder all the time from peope aroudn where ever you walk ,,no more do you work out ,,no more do you lift weight ,,no more how much you bench,,from there on it usually is are you a bodybuilder sir? etc
day 30 is when people start looking at you different like feeling somethign is changin but cant quite point to it yet,,they just see you growing lean and getting 3 dimentional beggining,,
day 30-60 is when people suddenly stat using blinkers when passing you in traffic,,they stat saying hey man insted of hey bud,,they start looking at you with more of a what the fuck look in the eyes,,thats also when they walk around you in gyms and look at you a lot through the mirror to see why they take all the steroid in the world and cant match you in quality and dimentions,,you get the idea friends
gh15 approved
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NASTY MUTANT
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3000 days on 15iu a day = nasty mutant yes,,especially if its in teenager or early 20s where your body will go absolitly crazy like liar priest body went,,thats a mutant for life with the goods and the bads,,bad are worse than goods ask liar priest he will confirm ,,well he wont he wil find a lie to blub about ,,but his life is horrible
gh15 approved
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and just before i get 100 pms tellin me but liar priest took less than 15iu when he was kid ,,i didnt say he took 15,,what i said was he took CADAVAR THAT AT 4 IU WAS PRETTY MUCH GIVE YHOU SIDES OF 15 UNIT A DAY AND A LOT MORE EXTREME ,,,SEEEEEEE TOMAS THE GODFATHER PLATS,,SEE LIAR PRIEST,,SEE GREGORY KOVAKS
gh15 approved
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What are your thoughts on nandrolona? not vs. equipona because are actually very different but gym rats usually believe they are interchangeable. Just nandrolona in general like famous drug stack from 80s testosterona, nandronlona, d-bol and GH...all human grade and pharma grade of course...
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very good stack,,if you have gh in ,,you can inject your pee and you growlol more serious note ....the key to freakiness is genetic respond,,but the key for being lean beast and mutants is age you start and what you use,,
tren ace and gh combination create pure monsters if done right ,,tren is tricky because you need to know how to use it to eliminate sides and you need to work smart with it ,,but if you get it right with tren ace and gh you can really make people think you wer born muscular,,those 2 in combination CHANGE GENETICS
gh15 approved
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:( cos I cant afford to run GH
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very good stack,,if you have gh in ,,you can inject your pee and you growlol more serious note ....the key to freakiness is genetic respond,,but the key for being lean beast and mutants is age you start and what you use,,
tren ace and gh combination create pure monsters if done right ,,tren is tricky because you need to know how to use it to eliminate sides and you need to work smart with it ,,but if you get it right with tren ace and gh you can really make people think you wer born muscular,,those 2 in combination CHANGE GENETICS
gh15 approved
What is the trick to running Tren?
I ask because Im getting ready to run a testosterona/trenbolona cycle ala GH15.
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What is the trick to running Tren?
I ask because Im getting ready to run a testosterona/trenbolona cycle ala GH15.
Yes, tell us gh15..
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day 90 is usually when[size=101t] you start hearing the words are you a bodybuilder all the time from peope aroudn[/size] where ever you walk ,,no more do you work out ,,no more do you lift weight ,,no more how much you bench,,from there on it usually is are you a bodybuilder sir? etc
day 30 is when people start looking at you different like feeling somethign is changin but cant quite point to it yet,,they just see you growing lean and getting 3 dimentional beggining,,
day 30-60 is when people suddenly stat using blinkers when passing you in traffic,,they stat saying hey man insted of hey bud,,they start looking at you with more of a what the fuck look in the eyes,,thats also when they walk around you in gyms and look at you a lot through the mirror to see why they take all the steroid in the world and cant match you in quality and dimentions,,you get the idea friends
gh15 approved
YES.....I love that. the average run of the mill trainer with a little size gets asked "you workout....right?"
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So it takes 2 months to go from 230 at 10% to 230 at 8%? Shit fellas, I went from 12% to sub-8 in 2 weeks naturally, of course I was only weighing about a buck 60 lol
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So it takes 2 months to go from 230 at 10% to 230 at 8%? Shit fellas, I went from 12% to sub-8 in 2 weeks naturally, of course I was only weighing about a buck 60 lol
how did you do that again? I remember asking you tha same q a while ago.
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Did hard steady-state aerobic/anaerobic threshold training twice daily at 15 to 20 min a pop and ate bout 800 cals a day and bout 40 carb grams maybe 15 fat grams and da rest was protein. It was pure hell, but it sure did work ;D Also, after bout 5 days or so, I felt like a walking zombie lol
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Look all the dumb people believing that GH15 is a pro bodybuilder and following his advice....
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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GH15 you speak so much Truth about Drugs but I think you should also tell the kids about nasty side effects and poor health problems running heavy stacks.Lets not lie you know what I'm talkin about. ;)
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tips on not feeling strange and gross on trenbolinalona?
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maybe cocaine x 2 lines am/pm?
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hey gh
if i dont wanna look like a monster freak but i want to look better than 99% of gym rats and health it important to me
what cycle should i run? minimal sides.. 200-220 at 10% bf would be fine for me
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What can I expect on a gram of test and tren 75 eod with 5iu gh daily? No other anabolics... maybe some shop early on
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tips on not feeling strange and gross on trenbolinalona?
the shit is bad for that with me.
no sleep/ irritable like crazy/ mentally off. i have been grumpy all day for no reason. lol
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What can I expect on a gram of test and tren 75 eod with 5iu gh daily? No other anabolics... maybe some shop early on
depends what you look like now (how fat you are).
you can run that stack two ways- to gain or to cut.
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180 pounds 5'11 total regular Joe build, flash stomach no abs though
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180 pounds 5'11 total regular Joe build, flash stomach no abs though
run that for 12 weeks you should be able to lean out quite a bit without dieting that much and gain a significant amount of lean.
dont be surprised if you end up with abs at about 200 or so. that stack is very potent. run the tren at 50mg ed. at least, but use it ed.
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Would I be better of doing 1 month of 15iu hgh every day and then 2 months just gear or 5iu gh for 3 months
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Would I be better of doing 1 month of 15iu hgh every day and then 2 months just gear or 5iu gh for 3 months
run it all together. something happens with that combination that is pretty magical.
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BOOM
gh :)
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BOOM
gh :)
would it kill you to smile for the camera ?
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would it kill you to smile for the camera ?
it was originally taken as a threat to that angle grabbin french canadian piss ant HonkeyFightFan so its my pre-MMA fight face
i was tryin to portray the 'I'll smash you bro' look in somewhat of an obselete venacular ;D
I said i'd finger bang his canadian girl so good i'd get her pregnant :-*
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it was originally taken as a threat to that angle grabbin french canadian piss ant HonkeyFightFan so its my pre-MMA fight face
i was tryin to portray the 'I'll smash you bro' look in somewhat of an obselete venacular ;D
I said i'd finger bang his canadian girl so good i'd get her pregnant :-*
HAHAHAH!!! ;D
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it was originally taken as a threat to that angle grabbin french canadian piss ant HonkeyFightFan so its my pre-MMA fight face
i was tryin to portray the 'I'll smash you bro' look in somewhat of an obselete venacular ;D
I said i'd finger bang his canadian girl so good i'd get her pregnant :-*
Can I smell your finger after you done :D
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Can I smell your finger after you done :D
not sure cause if I stand correct he's playin for BOTH hokey teams thats why he like the fights -
(http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2009/2/43%20Hockey%20is%20gay.jpg)
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BOOM
gh :)
how old are you ? my guess would be 42
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how old are you ? my guess would be 42
close
ask your mom
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Gh's threads make me want to mutate... ;D
The only thing i have in my house as far as steroids go is oxandrolona, and it isn't enough to mutate
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Look all the dumb people believing that GH15 is a pro bodybuilder and following his advice....
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I think I speak for everybody on this board when I say please STFU already. Nobody cares what you think.
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BOOM
gh :)
Damn. The beard changes your whole look. Total bad ass. Do you do the 10iu year round or do you cycle the dose?
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If everyone that competes is running Gh-ona as well as the testoster-, trenbol-, equip-, master-, ona. Then why isn't everybody at national level?
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If everyone that competes is running Gh-ona as well as the testoster-, trenbol-, equip-, master-, ona. Then why isn't everybody at national level?
good point.
i agree with a lot of what GH15 says. he knows whats going on. but i find his time frames a little exaggerative. i think the main reason why your not seeing the guys show up at that level is because GH cost used to be so prohibitive. it used to cost upwards of 600-800 for 100iu of chinese stuff 4 years ago. but now with cheap sources out of china where you can get kits in bulk at $100-120 for 100iu i think you'll start seeing a lot of guys who have that puffy muscle start showing up more at the nats.
thats why the bodies of the late 80's early 90's looked so good. they werent all drugs- those guys trained for years with big iron and built good foundations before reaching the pro level. soon you'll see a emergence of large, puffy, detail lacking competitors more and more because you dont need big weight over long periods of time just a good source for your gear. just look at that pic of phil heath candizzle posted- zero separation between the rear and side delt in the rear double bi. thats the future of bb my friend.
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good point.
i agree with a lot of what GH15 says. he knows whats going on. but i find his time frames a little exaggerative. i think the main reason why your not seeing the guys show up at that level is because GH cost used to be so prohibitive. it used to cost upwards of 600-800 for 100iu of chinese stuff 4 years ago. but now with cheap sources out of china where you can get kits in bulk at $100-120 for 100iu i think you'll start seeing a lot of guys who have that puffy muscle start showing up more at the nats.
thats why the bodies of the late 80's early 90's looked so good. they werent all drugs- those guys trained for years with big iron and built good foundations before reaching the pro level. soon you'll see a emergence of large, puffy, detail lacking competitors more and more because you dont need big weight over long periods of time just a good source for your gear. just look at that pic of phil heath candizzle posted- zero separation between the rear and side delt in the rear double bi. thats the future of bb my friend.
I think slins the problem. and slin + HGH just makes it work.
Testosterone + ten + mast + eq + HGH will build a great grainy as granny bod
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Damn. The beard changes your whole look. Total bad ass. Do you do the 10iu year round or do you cycle the dose?
thx - the beard does it for the 'hardass' look ;)
I try to stay at 10iu yr round but of course 'off siht' to anyone is 5iu and 'damn your swole' time is 15iu but I have nvr been able to stay that much for long enough - I always try to go for balance and wont take gh if I dont have test in my system - almost always run slin with it too - other siht depends on time of year, dieting for show
but this yr I have prob stayed at 10 most of the yr - no less than 5 ALL 2010
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thx - the beard does it for the 'hardass' look ;)
I try to stay at 10iu yr round but of course 'off siht' to anyone is 5iu and 'damn your swole' time is 15iu but I have nvr been able to stay that much for long enough - I always try to go for balance and wont take gh if I dont have test in my system - almost always run slin with it too - other siht depends on time of year, dieting for show
but this yr I have prob stayed at 10 most of the yr - no less than 5 ALL 2010
hows that mutation going, tiger?
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hows that mutation going, tiger?
good i went to Dr again today cause she's 'monitoring' my blood pressure
but I can say this:
with alot of eq,test,tbol,slin,and ghona in my system my BP was 140/73 lowest its been in 2yrs
I was on 40mg but now only 20mg lisinopril and it still allows my BP to rise enough to get good pump in workouts - beta fat oxidation is increased with combined use of gh - kinda like a diuretic effect
BUT i went from 263 4 weeks ago to 267.9 today so up you m.ass and the uping the gh has shown some numbers - I only say this cause I nvr weight myself
Dr gave me more cynocobalamin so my workouts are full out - that shit IM inj is bettr than any shit you buy at gnc seriously
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Dr gave me more cynocobalamin so my workouts are full out - that shit IM inj is bettr than any shit you buy at gnc seriously
It's a derivative of B12 or something? For appetite, well being?
By the way do you feel Tren makes you feel "blah"? Is there a cure for that?
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It's a derivative of B12 or something? For appetite, well being?
By the way do you feel Tren makes you feel "blah"? Is there a cure for that?
yup b12 mainly for energy but yes appetite indeed - I eat like hell now
-- I dont do tren that much, it makes me nuts now cause I run so much of it when i do, I myslef have tren 'season; when certain parts of the yr I only run it, Spring time for me - it actually decreases your serotonin so your overall sense of well being is just gone - anti anxiety meds help and of course other n*rct.ics but im not goin into that but that is the route most guys take but Im talking guys taking loads of that shit
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If everyone that competes is running Gh-ona as well as the testoster-, trenbol-, equip-, master-, ona. Then why isn't everybody at national level?
because many dont have the money it take,,the ones who spend the money it takes compete in natironal level my friend ,,this is teh thing here,,im not exagerating,,it a very simple process and i will elaborate on it ,,remember it may be not suiting for some to hear it so do not read gh15 or skip posting,,
bodybuilder is a money spending machine ,,very rare he actually make money out of the cult,,im talkin big money which kept for top 5 bodybuilder in the world,,
see liar priest he can hardly make a living and he used to be top 10 in sport so you se what im saying,,
back to subject at hand,,
bodybuilder always start with the follwing question ,,do i have the money need inorder to go from point a to poing b to point c ,,some dont they stay gym rat,,some do have but only some they go locals,,some do have and spend it all and go national ,,out of those we choose the best physiqews that respond the best to drugs and they become a professional with ofcourse some thought into genetic structure symetry muscle shape condition etc,,
so,,the ones who compete nationral do use all of this i say and spend the money i say ,,the problem is the ones you talk about use it sometimes,,at low doses,,do gh 2 kits or 3 then quit because no chee cheeing,,so they have to quit they say oh 2 month is ok we will go on again in 3 months ,,that aint work this way my friend,,
the ones who go places and they dont actually go because many of them end 16th national placing,,those ones are real addicts,,they keep to themselves,,many of them dealers and remailers,,many of them on constant supply and buying and spend on regular basis 1-2 k every monht yes you hear me right 1-2 k every single month on hormones,,
some of them buy in bulk and put a whole 7 k on order,,and some go every 3-4 weeks and put in between 500 and 2000 dollars orders every few weeks
when you see the national fella that enter gym at 5'8 245-260lb at single digit you have to know few things,,
1 he has legit hormone
2 he has legit hormones on constant basis
3 he has very good source which he kiss ass to all the time ,,and not many very good sources around and if you find them you are very lucky fella
4 he takes high doses of the product called hgh,,he doesnt play around with 3iu he go 5 iu then jump to 8 then 10 then 15 then 20 etc etc,,
5 every time he jump level of gh he also jump increase doses of hormones that include changin hormones around the base compound i mention
all of those stages are what the quiet fella that never talk too much in gym do,,they come to gym,,they have severe anxiety ,,infact they are scared of their own shadow usually,,,they keep to themselves in most times,,and in sometimes they like attention but even then usually keep quiet and serious,,many of them live bodybuilding life style btu rest assure the nutrition is far far from perfect and the diet is not clean unless going down to 4%
the one who follow the steps and stages i mention do compete in national competitions ,,they are the ones who from beggining decided to go ball out and put everything into bodybuilding,,they sacrifice relashionship,,they sacrifice lots of job opertunities that not involve bodybuilding,,they usually sacrifice normal life and normal job ,,they usually dont even work they do inbetween things,,,,its just something that can nto be explained unless you see it ,,many are personal trainers ,,many delaers,,many live on rich girl usually fat girl and fuck on the side,,many do bouncing,,many just do gay for pay or gigolo and male dancer etc,,its just something most of the fellas on board that talk about national and drugs do not agree to do ,,they ay we will do it on 500mg of test and 2 iu of gh ,,aint working this way my friend,,hell im nice they usally on board think they will do it on 500 mg test and some tbol tabs lol ,,it takes a lot lot more,,lots of gh lots of legit gh ,,lots of anabolics lots of legit anabolics,,lots of other things and sacrifices ,,then you go national and try to get a pro card,,many dont ,,some do ,,some get it later in masters,,some neveer get it ,,all do the same thing and usually the one with best source ,,best money flow,,best respond ,,wins
gh15 approved
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because many dont have the money it take,,the ones who spend the money it takes compete in natironal level my friend ,,this is teh thing here,,im not exagerating,,it a very simple process and i will elaborate on it ,,remember it may be not suiting for some to hear it so do not read gh15 or skip posting,,
bodybuilder is a money spending machine ,,very rare he actually make money out of the cult,,im talkin big money which kept for top 5 bodybuilder in the world,,
see liar priest he can hardly make a living and he used to be top 10 in sport so you se what im saying,,
back to subject at hand,,
bodybuilder always start with the follwing question ,,do i have the money need inorder to go from point a to poing b to point c ,,some dont they stay gym rat,,some do have but only some they go locals,,some do have and spend it all and go national ,,out of those we choose the best physiqews that respond the best to drugs and they become a professional with ofcourse some thought into genetic structure symetry muscle shape condition etc,,
so,,the ones who compete nationral do use all of this i say and spend the money i say ,,the problem is the ones you talk about use it sometimes,,at low doses,,do gh 2 kits or 3 then quit because no chee cheeing,,so they have to quit they say oh 2 month is ok we will go on again in 3 months ,,that aint work this way my friend,,
the ones who go places and they dont actually go because many of them end 16th national placing,,those ones are real addicts,,they keep to themselves,,many of them dealers and remailers,,many of them on constant supply and buying and spend on regular basis 1-2 k every monht yes you hear me right 1-2 k every single month on hormones,,
some of them buy in bulk and put a whole 7 k on order,,and some go every 3-4 weeks and put in between 500 and 2000 dollars orders every few weeks
when you see the national fella that enter gym at 5'8 245-260lb at single digit you have to know few things,,
1 he has legit hormone
2 he has legit hormones on constant basis
3 he has very good source which he kiss ass to all the time ,,and not many very good sources around and if you find them you are very lucky fella
4 he takes high doses of the product called hgh,,he doesnt play around with 3iu he go 5 iu then jump to 8 then 10 then 15 then 20 etc etc,,
5 every time he jump level of gh he also jump increase doses of hormones that include changin hormones around the base compound i mention
all of those stages are what the quiet fella that never talk too much in gym do,,they come to gym,,they have severe anxiety ,,infact they are scared of their own shadow usually,,,they keep to themselves in most times,,and in sometimes they like attention but even then usually keep quiet and serious,,many of them live bodybuilding life style btu rest assure the nutrition is far far from perfect and the diet is not clean unless going down to 4%
the one who follow the steps and stages i mention do compete in national competitions ,,they are the ones who from beggining decided to go ball out and put everything into bodybuilding,,they sacrifice relashionship,,they sacrifice lots of job opertunities that not involve bodybuilding,,they usually sacrifice normal life and normal job ,,they usually dont even work they do inbetween things,,,,its just something that can nto be explained unless you see it ,,many are personal trainers ,,many delaers,,many live on rich girl usually fat girl and fuck on the side,,many do bouncing,,many just do gay for pay or gigolo and male dancer etc,,its just something most of the fellas on board that talk about national and drugs do not agree to do ,,they ay we will do it on 500mg of test and 2 iu of gh ,,aint working this way my friend,,hell im nice they usally on board think they will do it on 500 mg test and some tbol tabs lol ,,it takes a lot lot more,,lots of gh lots of legit gh ,,lots of anabolics lots of legit anabolics,,lots of other things and sacrifices ,,then you go national and try to get a pro card,,many dont ,,some do ,,some get it later in masters,,some neveer get it ,,all do the same thing and usually the one with best source ,,best money flow,,best respond ,,wins
gh15 approved
QFT
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excellent post god!!!
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because many dont have the money it take,,the ones who spend the money it takes compete in natironal level my friend ,,this is teh thing here,,im not exagerating,,it a very simple process and i will elaborate on it ,,remember it may be not suiting for some to hear it so do not read gh15 or skip posting,,
bodybuilder is a money spending machine ,,very rare he actually make money out of the cult,,im talkin big money which kept for top 5 bodybuilder in the world,,
see liar priest he can hardly make a living and he used to be top 10 in sport so you se what im saying,,
back to subject at hand,,
bodybuilder always start with the follwing question ,,do i have the money need inorder to go from point a to poing b to point c ,,some dont they stay gym rat,,some do have but only some they go locals,,some do have and spend it all and go national ,,out of those we choose the best physiqews that respond the best to drugs and they become a professional with ofcourse some thought into genetic structure symetry muscle shape condition etc,,
so,,the ones who compete nationral do use all of this i say and spend the money i say ,,the problem is the ones you talk about use it sometimes,,at low doses,,do gh 2 kits or 3 then quit because no chee cheeing,,so they have to quit they say oh 2 month is ok we will go on again in 3 months ,,that aint work this way my friend,,
the ones who go places and they dont actually go because many of them end 16th national placing,,those ones are real addicts,,they keep to themselves,,many of them dealers and remailers,,many of them on constant supply and buying and spend on regular basis 1-2 k every monht yes you hear me right 1-2 k every single month on hormones,,
some of them buy in bulk and put a whole 7 k on order,,and some go every 3-4 weeks and put in between 500 and 2000 dollars orders every few weeks
when you see the national fella that enter gym at 5'8 245-260lb at single digit you have to know few things,,
1 he has legit hormone
2 he has legit hormones on constant basis
3 he has very good source which he kiss ass to all the time ,,and not many very good sources around and if you find them you are very lucky fella
4 he takes high doses of the product called hgh,,he doesnt play around with 3iu he go 5 iu then jump to 8 then 10 then 15 then 20 etc etc,,
5 every time he jump level of gh he also jump increase doses of hormones that include changin hormones around the base compound i mention
all of those stages are what the quiet fella that never talk too much in gym do,,they come to gym,,they have severe anxiety ,,infact they are scared of their own shadow usually,,,they keep to themselves in most times,,and in sometimes they like attention but even then usually keep quiet and serious,,many of them live bodybuilding life style btu rest assure the nutrition is far far from perfect and the diet is not clean unless going down to 4%
the one who follow the steps and stages i mention do compete in national competitions ,,they are the ones who from beggining decided to go ball out and put everything into bodybuilding,,they sacrifice relashionship,,they sacrifice lots of job opertunities that not involve bodybuilding,,they usually sacrifice normal life and normal job ,,they usually dont even work they do inbetween things,,,,its just something that can nto be explained unless you see it ,,many are personal trainers ,,many delaers,,many live on rich girl usually fat girl and fuck on the side,,many do bouncing,,many just do gay for pay or gigolo and male dancer etc,,its just something most of the fellas on board that talk about national and drugs do not agree to do ,,they ay we will do it on 500mg of test and 2 iu of gh ,,aint working this way my friend,,hell im nice they usally on board think they will do it on 500 mg test and some tbol tabs lol ,,it takes a lot lot more,,lots of gh lots of legit gh ,,lots of anabolics lots of legit anabolics,,lots of other things and sacrifices ,,then you go national and try to get a pro card,,many dont ,,some do ,,some get it later in masters,,some neveer get it ,,all do the same thing and usually the one with best source ,,best money flow,,best respond ,,wins
gh15 approved
well played
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How many people like me are allergic to tren? My favorite drug, but after a couple shots I get hives like crazy and can't stand to stay on it. Sucks.
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How many people like me are allergic to tren? My favorite drug, but after a couple shots I get hives like crazy and can't stand to stay on it. Sucks.
what about a lower dose?
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what about a lower dose?
I don't know, I use to be able to use it for awhile before I would have problems, now a couple 1cc shots and I get it so bad it's unreal.
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I don't know, I use to be able to use it for awhile before I would have problems, now a couple 1cc shots and I get it so bad it's unreal.
:'(