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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: dj181 on December 17, 2010, 04:52:42 AM
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What is it? Is it possible? By "Density training" I mean training to make the muscles have a granite-like appearance. A wise fella that I know said that it's best achieved by training within the low rep ranges (3 to 6 reps). Thoughts?
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Up the GH dosage.
In before the usual gh15 tirade!! ;D
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(http://www.fisiculturismo.com.br/newsletters/imagens/dorian_yates_02.jpg)
Seemed to work for this guy.
And from another era, not too bad for this one:
(http://intenceman.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/mentzer1.jpg)
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Sans chemicals. P.S. Sandow had it in his legs, and he wasn't on no chemicals, seeing that he was from over a century ago.
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Drugs will always be the most important part in the muscular result you get in bodybuilding. From what I'ive seen, there's very little doubt that as far as naturals are concerned, density training will give you harder muscles which doesn't mean bigger ones (actually quite the contrary when compared to naturals who do shitloads of volume).
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'You are my density.'
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Instead of "lifting weights" to get from point A to B, think of "contracting/squeezing muscles" to get from A to B.......this will build density!
Or, just up the dosage! HA!
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Reg Park was a proponent of 5x5 meaning five sets of five, was a massive dude for his time Arnolds inspiration. 5-8 seems best in my experiences.
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Alwyas envision point B.
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One more thing that this wise fella suggested was to do these 3 to 6 reps under control and to try and eliminate momentum. He recommended taking up to 6 sec for both the positive and the negative portions of the rep. I can see doing the postive in a controlled 6 second manner, but the question is, should the negative be so slow too? In my experience, if you take the negative so slowly, this actually allows you to "rest" a bit, since the muscles are much stronger negatively. Does it make sense?
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What is it? Is it possible? By "Density training" I mean training to make the muscles have a granite-like appearance. A wise fella that I know said that it's best achieved by training within the low rep ranges (3 to 6 reps). Thoughts?
you can only push yourself as hard as you can..you cant push yourself beyond your ability
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Well no sh!t Falcon, are you familiar with the SAID principal?
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Well no sh!t Falcon, are you familiar with the SAID principal?
no but your asking if some training rep range will magically make you granite like when all other variables like food intake are the same
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no but your asking if some training rep range will magically make you granite like when all other variables like food intake are the same
That's a good point. Also, while muscular stress is certainly helpful it depends also on your ability to recuperate. Density= more chances of getting injured.
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SAID=Specific Adaptation to Imposed Demands. Meaning you get what you train for, and no I'm not saying that a certain rep range will magically turn one's muscles into granite-like status. The question is, what is the best way to achieve this goal?
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SAID=Specific Adaptation to Imposed Demands. Meaning you get what you train for, and no I'm not saying that a certain rep range will magically turn one's muscles into granite-like status. The question is, what is the best way to achieve this goal?
maximum density lifting or volume are = to max ability
just like your maximum standing ability in a day (if all you did was stand for the maximum amount of time is = to your maximum ability to lift in a day) both will produce the same amount of average amounts of pounds of stress over time Because BOTH will tap into your maximum stress ability reserves
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So are you saying that if I stand up all day long I will develop granite-like muscles in my legs?
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So are you saying that if I stand up all day long I will develop granite-like muscles in my legs?
if you stand up all day and most of the evening yes, you only get ripped by adjusting calories. I dont even suggest adjusting calories downwards because you will have rebound fatgain. best to adjust calories upwards and accept the principle of that you must eat in excess with potential fatgain to gain muscle. to me gaining muscle is more important and healthier than losing fat because when you lose fat you always lose muscle and set yourself up for a rebound
for every hour you sit down you are not supporting your 200 pound bodyweight. Thats 60 minutes or 3600 seconds your are not supporting 200 pounds, i beleive that makes a differnce
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if you stand up all day and most of the evening yes, you only get ripped by adjusting calories. I dont even suggest adjusting calories downwards because you will have rebound fatgain. best to adjust calories upwards and accept the principle of that you must eat in excess with potential fatgain to gain muscle. to me gaining muscle is more important and healthier than losing fat because when you lose fat you always lose muscle and set yourself up for a rebound
for every hour you sit down you are not supporting your 200 pound bodyweight. Thats 60 minutes or 3600 seconds your are not supporting 200 pounds, i beleive that makes a differnce
Well in summary genes make a big difference on legs on or any other bodypart. Standing all day may be enough for Master Falcon with good leg genes but for others it probably will take more, calories are all relative to bodyweight and activity. So hence Falcon is correct for his lifestyle but others may need to make adjustments.
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Well in summary genes make a big difference on legs on or any other bodypart. Standing all day may be enough for Master Falcon with good leg genes but for others it probably will take more, calories are all relative to bodyweight and activity. So hence Falcon is correct for his lifestyle but others may need to make adjustments.
if people stood even half the day there quads would improve 10-15 % much better than not standing very much
a 10 percent gain is atleast 5 pounds of muscle in your legs
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I've been told I'm pretty dense...
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I've been told I'm pretty dense...
I blame the alcohol.
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if people stood even half the day there quads would improve 10-15 % much better than not standing very much
a 10 percent gain is atleast 5 pounds of muscle in your legs
Agreed.
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So fellas I guess dat Falcon has enlightened us as to how Sandow created such dense and granite-like legs. It seems that his secret was to stand around all day long
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So fellas I guess dat Falcon has enlightened us as to how Sandow created such dense and granite-like legs. It seems that his secret was to stand around all day long
well you can sit all day and then get back to us and tell me how much you grow then
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One more thing that this wise fella suggested was to do these 3 to 6 reps under control and to try and eliminate momentum. He recommended taking up to 6 sec for both the positive and the negative portions of the rep. I can see doing the postive in a controlled 6 second manner, but the question is, should the negative be so slow too? In my experience, if you take the negative so slowly, this actually allows you to "rest" a bit, since the muscles are much stronger negatively. Does it make sense?
tempo training is not very good....actually you should always try to do the positive part of the rep as fast as you can in good form, with no momentum. Its very important to do it under control and feeling it in the muscle, but don't ever slow it down on purpose or time it.
The whole logic behind it is that it takes more power to lift a weight in 1 second than it does in 2 seconds...and the ability to generate power is that helps in muscular growth or something along those lines. Arthur Jones also wrote about this and I see that you read and follow his stuff..so you should know.
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Yeah man, I know that AJ said that, but later on he recommended a slower positive contraction. But I suppose the point is that if on takes 6 seconds or so to complete the positive contraction them momentum is eliminated. And this topic is basically how to make the muscles more dense and granite-like, and not bloated and bloofy 8) Anyways I like AJ's idea about power production. So I guess part of the question is, which is better for density? A slow and controlled positive contraction or a heavy-ass weight? Remember, if one does a slow and controlled positive contraction then the training load will become much lighter.
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10x10 = density training.
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Yeah man, I know that AJ said that, but later on he recommended a slower positive contraction. But I suppose the point is that if on takes 6 seconds or so to complete the positive contraction them momentum is eliminated. And this topic is basically how to make the muscles more dense and granite-like, and not bloated and bloofy 8) Anyways I like AJ's idea about power production. So I guess part of the question is, which is better for density? A slow and controlled positive contraction or a heavy-ass weight? Remember, if one does a slow and controlled positive contraction then the training load will become much lighter.
Better density in my opinion is a matter of genetics first, then knowing how to diet down to low bodyfat levels without losing muscle fullness and lastly consistent hard training (what people refer to as muscle maturity). But I don't think a slow positive will do anything for it...look at Dorian who had probably the best density, he trained with a 'powerful' positive rep....others do the same and didn't have that look...Genetics.
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'You are my density.'
Don't you mean "destiny" McFly.
hahaha, Hey McFly, I thought I told you never to come in here....well now it's gonna cost you.
-Biff Tannen
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Hardly, 10X10 is a good way to get bloofy muscles, not granite-like muscles. But, I suppose dat I could just stand all day long and get some granite-like wheels on me LOL!
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Bloofy ?? :)