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CARACAS, Venezuela – Venezuelan lawmakers granted President Hugo Chavez broad powers Friday to enact laws by decree, undermining the clout of a new congress that takes office next month with a bigger opposition bloc.
Chavez opponents condemned the move as a power grab, saying the law gives him a blank check to rule without consulting lawmakers. The National Assembly approved the special powers for 18 months.
A new congress goes into session Jan. 5 with an opposition contingent large enough to hinder approval of some types of major laws.
Chavez has argued he needs decree powers to fast-track funds to help the victims of recent floods and landslides, and also to hasten Venezuela's transition to a socialist state.
The president's critics view the law as one of many controversial measures being pushed through in the final weeks of a lame-duck congress.
Another measure under discussion Friday was the revised "Social Responsibility Law," which would impose broadcast-type regulations on the Internet and ban online messages "that could incite or promote hatred," create "anxiety" in the population or "disrespect public authorities."
Questions remain about how the Internet regulations would be enforced.
"They're accusing me of being a dictator," Chavez said on state television Thursday night, dismissing the criticism as unfounded. "We're building a new democracy here that can't be turned back."
The law to grant Chavez decree powers, the fourth such legislation of his nearly 12-year presidency, also will allow him to unilaterally enact measures involving telecommunications, the banking system, information technology, the military, rural and urban land use and the country's "socio-economic system."
Among the planned decrees already announced, Chavez intends to increase the value-added tax, now 12 percent, to raise funds for coping with the disaster caused by weeks of heavy rains. The government is erecting tents to house thousands left homeless and is accelerating public housing construction.
Critics accuse Chavez of taking advantage of the disaster to tighten his grip on power, saying he is violating the constitution while trying to impose a Cuba-style system.
Lawmaker Pastora Medina, a former Chavez ally who turned against him, condemned the decree powers saying the president already "has the budget and the resources to solve the problems."
Newly elected opposition lawmaker Julio Borges said Chavez is trying to use the Christmas lull when Venezuelans are focused on other matters to push through "laws that have one single purpose: to give more power to the government and take power away from the people."
Borges said the opposition will keep fighting and that "the Cuban project is going to fail."
Chavez has enjoyed near total control of the National Assembly since the opposition boycotted 2005 elections.
That is set to change when the new congress takes office with 67 of the 165 seats controlled by the opposition — enough to prevent Chavez from having the two-thirds majority needed to approve some types of major legislation and to confirm Supreme Court justices.
Anticipating that shift, pro-Chavez lawmakers earlier this month appointed nine new Supreme Court justices, reinforcing the dominance of judges widely seen as friendly to his government.
National Assembly President Cilia Flores said the approval of decree powers shows the outgoing legislature's "revolutionary commitment."
Lawmakers on Friday also approved a separate law that describes banking as a "public service" and clears the way for increased state intervention in the sector. Venezuela's private banks make up about 70 percent of the industry, while the government controls the rest.
Chavez, meanwhile, is pushing ahead with efforts to take over swaths of farmland. On Friday, officials and troops began seizing 47 private ranches in western Venezuela. Chavez has ordered the expropriation of a growing list of businesses, and the government says it has seized more than 5.6 million acres (2.3 million hectares) of rural land.
The flurry of radical moves by Chavez is increasing tensions with the opposition, and is likely to make the coming year a contentious one as he lays the groundwork for his 2012 re-election bid.
"The political temperature is going to be much higher in 2011," said Ricardo Sucre, a Venezuelan political analyst. Sucre said Chavez's latest moves seem aimed at intimidating opponents and neutralizing potential obstacles ahead of the presidential race.
Chavez's popularity has declined in the past two years amid a recession and 27 percent inflation. In September legislative elections, the pro- and anti-Chavez camps emerged with a nearly even split of the popular vote.
Peruvian writer Alvaro Vargas Llosa — son of Nobel literature laureate Mario Vargas Llosa and a prominent international Chavez critic — said the president often seems to seek confrontation when he "has found himself in squeezes, has found himself in an adverse scenario."
The decree powers also are aggravating long-standing tensions between Chavez and Washington. U.S. State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said Wednesday that Chavez "seems to be finding new and creative ways to justify autocratic powers."
Chavez dismissed that criticism, saying that "it's the empire and its permanent aggressions, its threats."
Chavez was previously granted decree powers by lawmakers in 1999, 2001 and 2007.
The last time, he used them for 18 months to enact more than 60 laws, seizing control of privately run oil fields, changing financial regulations, imposing new taxes and nationalizing telecommunications, electricity and cement companies.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101217/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_venezuela_chavez/print
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Nice. I'm sure a certain power control freak at 1600 PA Ave is taking notes.
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I sponsored two people for citizenship from venzuela. Nice as could be.
They hated chavez with a passion and said he has destroyed the nation and intentionally let's crime run rampant so as to scare people and keep them locked up in their homes.
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Slapper believes he is the greatest leader in world history and a shining example that should be followed by the United States.
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Getbig's own Hugo Chavez tells us that he's demonized by the MSM. LOL! ::)
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So, where is Danny Glover, Sean Penn and all the other (I think there were others) lefty idiots that loved this toolbox?
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I sponsored two people for citizenship from venzuela. Nice as could be.
They hated chavez with a passion and said he has destroyed the nation and intentionally let's crime run rampant so as to scare people and keep them locked up in their homes.
actually the worst mistake you could make imo... no offense to you. I'm a firm believer that America can't be the cure-all for all people and often our help in these matters can and does make things worse. When a country starts having political problems, we have many here that think it's ok to let or even aid everyone who can leave in coming here. The only thing that does to the country in question is to leave a lower population of people and influence there who oppose the problems they see. It leaves all the people who can't bail hanging out there with even less support. The worst thing you can do is to aid in a mass exodus, unless you're talking something like a Hitler like holocaust going on and we tend to ignore those these days lol... If masses are being slaughtered, I would support aiding them in getting the hell out of Dodge but other than that, fuck no... What would the French Revolution have been if the disgruntled could have just left on a jet plane to a second home over the ocean. What would the American Revolution have been if the disgruntled had an option of booking a flight out? We barely won the revolution, imagine if just 10 percent of the most well off said fuck this and left? There might not be an America.
What usually happens first when things start going bad in a country? The most able(middle class and wealthy) start leaving first. These are the people that the opposition needs most and they are the quickest to bail. Then when it starts getting worse, you start having more leave with the AID of others.
Then what happens when the affluent of said country in trouble start arriving here in mass? They of course use their influence and money to lobby on behalf of intervention from America. What is that? They didn't have the balls to fight their own fight? They were the first to run(cowards) so then they run to America and cry for America to do something, usually behind the back of public knowledge in America?
Sorry, fuck that... Venezuela voted this guy in and he won his elections telling everyone up front the direction he wanted to take that country in. That's none of my business and no offense, but I don't think it should be yours either. Make them hash out their own problems. I don't think we need to be forcing a country to conform to our system or to the system of an unhappy minority just because we agree and profit more from the unhappy minority. If there is to be a revolution there, let it happen by their own hands in their own course and their own cause.
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Getbig's own Hugo Chavez tells us that he's demonized by the MSM. LOL! ::)
I'm your Hugo ;D
Yeeeeesssssssss.... you have an issue?
if it's about the media here, yes, I think they have turned Hugo into a much bigger boogieman than he is. I did not and do not think we should be intervening in what is happening in Venezuela. I have researched this quite a bit and the media has lied their asses off with what happens there on many occation. For a while it looked like they were on a mass propaganda campaign that would lead us to yet another quick war south of the border. Bush probably would have sent troops in had we not been so heavily engaged after 9/11. Instead he just sanctioned and financed failed coup attemps.
Yes, I know you disagree with me....
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CARACAS, Venezuela – Venezuelan lawmakers granted President Hugo Chavez broad powers Friday to enact laws by decree, undermining the clout of a new congress that takes office next month with a bigger opposition bloc.
Chavez opponents condemned the move as a power grab, saying the law gives him a blank check to rule without consulting lawmakers. The National Assembly approved the special powers for 18 months.
Here we just call them signing statements and it's not for just 18 months... It's been going on for a long time and has no end in sight. Pretty unconstitutional, but yet our presidents do it and get away with it. I'm not even sure they were ever given the power, they just do it....
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Hugo - I sponosred a woman and her kid who married a friend of mine. She was a middle class business person and said that chavez wiped out the middle class as the first thing he did and let's his thugs run around murdering, looting, pillaging, and terrorizing people so that they fear uprising.
Its a terrible situation. Did you see my threads about the murder stats in venezuela?
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Did you see my threads about the murder stats in venezuela?
Did you read my post? Do you disagree with what I said or agree with what I said. If you disagree, why? thanks...
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Did you read my post? Do you disagree with what I said or agree with what I said. If you disagree, why? thanks...
that's ok, you don't have to agree... Ron Paul does and that's good enough for me ;)
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Then what happens when the affluent of said country in trouble start arriving here in mass? They of course use their influence and money to lobby on behalf of intervention from America. What is that? They didn't have the balls to fight their own fight? They were the first to run(cowards) so then they run to America and cry for America to do something, usually behind the back of public knowledge in America?
Cowards? How do you feel about all the left wingers who threatened to move out of the US if Bush got re-elected?
It's easy calling these people cowards when you are not in their shoes, but some of these people have families they want to protect and want to offer them a better future. And by the way, it isn't the wealthy and middle class civilians who are the "most able" to do anything about this. It is people in the military and in the government who are the most able to do something about this. It was the military that overthrew Marcos Pérez Jiménez in 1958. Where corporations and banks maybe the "most able" in the US, the military is the most able in Venezuela.
333386, I commend you for what you did and personally thank you! What this woman did was very courageous and a huge sacrifice, leaving her native country, her family, friends, etc. to give her child a better future, and you helped her do that!
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Cowards? How do you feel about all the left wingers who threatened to move out of the US if Bush got re-elected?
It's easy calling these people cowards when you are not in their shoes, but some of these people have families they want to protect and want to offer them a better future. And by the way, it isn't the wealthy and middle class civilians who are the "most able" to do anything about this. It is people in the military and in the government who are the most able to do something about this. It was the military that overthrew Marcos Pérez Jiménez in 1958. Where corporations and banks maybe the "most able" in the US, the military is the most able in Venezuela.
333386, I commend you for what you did and personally thank you! What this woman did was very courageous and a huge sacrifice, leaving her native country, her family, friends, etc. to give her child a better future, and you helped her do that!
I went through the whole immigration process with them and it too years, thousands of dollars, many references, classes, personal guarantys, hearings, etc.
This is why i am dead set aganst illegals getting amnesty, and so is she! She is pissed off at the idea that others will get for free what she spent years working for. Also, this lady is nice as could be and very humble.
Don't get me wrong, singing the sponsorship papers made me nervous as hell since a sponsor has to sign a personal guaranty that the immigrant will not be a public charge for 5 years and not go on any pblic asistance whatsoever. But those 5 years have passed already and we did not have a problem.
Also Hugo - you need to understand that those people down there are grossly out gunned, and huddled into slums and ghettos. Different dynamics at play than what we had.
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Cowards? How do you feel about all the left wingers who threatened to move out of the US if Bush got re-elected?
It's easy calling these people cowards when you are not in their shoes, but some of these people have families they want to protect and want to offer them a better future. And by the way, it isn't the wealthy and middle class civilians who are the "most able" to do anything about this. It is people in the military and in the government who are the most able to do something about this. It was the military that overthrew Marcos Pérez Jiménez in 1958. Where corporations and banks maybe the "most able" in the US, the military is the most able in Venezuela.
333386, I commend you for what you did and personally thank you! What this woman did was very courageous and a huge sacrifice, leaving her native country, her family, friends, etc. to give her child a better future, and you helped her do that!
Yes, the military has a strong ability to act. But if you think the people don't have a strong value or even stronger value in what happens, you're in error. The more that leave it behind them, the more there are there to support the status quo. The only reason Hugo escaped our first coup attempt was simply because once word spread of what was happening, the coup was outnumbered bigtime by chavez supporters and the military said, "oh fuck this" and brought Hugo back. He did have some support in the military but it was the masses gathering that gave mana to act--and that's a fact...
The middle and upper class do have the strongest value in these times, they can affect people, just as they do everywhere else in the world. That these people are often the first people to bail in these dangers and unconforts says something to me. and yea, it says coward. They want to effect change, but from a safe distance and hopefully with someone elses army... That is absolutely chickenshit imo...
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Yes, the military has a strong ability to act. But if you think the people don't have a strong value or even stronger value in what happens, you're in error. The more that leave it behind them, the more there are there to support the status quo. The only reason Hugo escaped our first coup attempt was simply because once word spread of what was happening, the coup was outnumbered bigtime by chavez supporters and the military said, "oh fuck this" and brought Hugo back. He did have some support in the military but it was the masses gathering that gave mana to act--and that's a fact...
The middle and upper class do have the strongest value in these times, they can affect people, just as they do everywhere else in the world. That these people are often the first people to bail in these dangers and unconforts says something to me. and yea, it says coward. They want to effect change, but from a safe distance and hopefully with someone elses army... That is absolutely chickenshit imo...
You assume too much. This is a very different environment than western developed countries. Things don't work the same way and people don't think like you do, but you are entitled to your opinion. The reason the wealthy and the middle class are the first to leave is because they have the means to leave. The poor can't just do that. And like I said, they have family to protect and to offer a better future.
Do you believe the European pilgrims who came to American 200 years ago to start over, fleeing religious and political persecution are cowards too? I mean, they could have just stayed and changed things in Europe, but they didn't, right?
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Also Hugo - you need to understand that those people down there are grossly out gunned, and huddled into slums and ghettos. Different dynamics at play than what we had.
oh fucking horse shit... have you not read or researched anything on our revolution? If you're going to tell me that the anti-chavez opposition has remotely close to suffered what we did in the revolution, I'm going to flat out call you an idiot.
Overall, through Hugo's time in power, the majority of the poor in those slums have voted for Hugo. I know there are some that are pissed and I've also listend to what they have had to say, but the majority of them seem to feel things got better, not worse. I also know things have changed after the impact of the ressession.
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You assume too much. This is a very different environment than western developed countries. Things don't work the same way and people don't think like you do, but you are entitled to your opinion. The reason the wealthy and the middle class are the first to leave is because they have the means to leave. The poor can't just do that. And like I said, they have family to protect and to offer a better future.
Do you believe the European pilgrims to came to American 200 years ago to start over, fleeing religious and political persecution are cowards too? I mean, they could have just stayed and changed things in Europe, but they didn't, right?
First bubba, I never assume too much... If things worked like modern western developed countries down there, you couldn't even attempt a coup in the first place. such is impossible, zero chance for us, no matter how fucked our government might get. You guys can still coordinate and do things down there that can't and will never be done again in developed western countries like America, and the UK..
I know they are the first to leave because they have the means to leave, kinda obvious...
The poor can't just do that, that's what I also said...
Everyone wants a better future, but if you're leaving, then you are putting family over country. For many Americans, the two concepts are bonded and not separable.
I have mused about leaving at times, but in the end I've always come back to the importance of staying.
More important, I believe in the value of staying for all the reasons stated by me in this thread.
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First bubba, I never assume too much... If things worked like modern western developed countries down there, you couldn't even attempt a coup in the first place. such is impossible, zero chance for us, no matter how fucked our government might get. You guys can still coordinate and do things down there that can't and will never be done again in developed western countries like America, and the UK..
I know they are the first to leave because they have the means to leave, kinda obvious...
The poor can't just do that, that's what I also said...
Everyone wants a better future, but if you're leaving, then you are putting family over country. For many Americans, the two concepts are bonded and not separable.
I have mused about leaving at times, but in the end I've always come back to the importance of staying.
More important, I believe in the value of staying for all the reasons stated by me in this thread.
Cowards? How do you feel about all the left wingers who threatened to move out of the US if Bush got re-elected?
Do you believe the European pilgrims who came to American 200 years ago to start over, fleeing religious and political persecution are cowards too? I mean, they could have just stayed and changed things in Europe, but they didn't, right?
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replying with quotes, is annoying as hell.
If I agreed with the lefties moving out, I would have moved out fucking duh... What the hell does that have to do with anything I have said other than you wanting to see if I am willing to call them cowards... I will do so now, they are cowards. Did that make you giddy or satisfied in some way? nevermind, I don't want to know...
Your last question requires a lengthy history lesson which I am not willing to go into. It simply can not be answered in full in a few lines here. We started a new country, we didn't run to an established country and ask them to fight our battles for us did we?
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loco, should I now start quoting the things that you have not answered as repies to your posts?
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replying with quotes, is annoying as hell.
If I agreed with the lefties moving out, I would have moved out fucking duh... What the hell does that have to do with anything I have said other than you wanting to see if I am willing to call them cowards... I will do so now, they are cowards. Did that make you giddy or satisfied in some way? nevermind, I don't want to know...
Your last question requires a lengthy history lesson which I am not willing to go into. It simply can not be answered in full in a few lines here. We started a new country, we didn't run to an established country and ask them to fight our battles for us did we?
What's the difference between repeating myself and quoting the questions you did not answer?
Why are you lumping together all Venezuelans who migrate to the US? I personally do not know of any Venezuelans who go to the US to ask the US to fight our battles for us. If you know any, they do not represent all Venezuelans.
You not calling the pilgrims cowards as you are calling Venezuelans cowards makes you inconsistent with double standards. Your history lesson excuse doesn't change that.
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loco, should I now start quoting the things that you have not answered as repies to your posts?
Have you asked me a question on this thread, other than "should I now start quoting the things that you have not answered as repies to your posts?"?
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What's the difference between repeating myself and quoting the questions you did not answer?
Why are you lumping together all Venezuelans who migrate to the US? I personally do not know of any Venezuelans who go to the US to ask the US to fight our battles for us. If you know any, they do not represent all Venezuelans.
You not calling the pilgrims cowards as you are calling Venezuelans cowards makes you inconsistent with double standards. Your history lesson excuse doesn't change that.
I can't quote you without manually copying your quote. It's annoying. You can do it, I'm just saying, it's fucking annoying.
I didn't lump everyone.... to do so would be stupid. I guess I could have gone into a long list of what would and would not constitute being a coward. not... Come on, it doesn't take a brainiac to figure out... The guy that is absolutely against Hugo and wants him out but does so by moving to America and joining up with the group that is lobbying the government in America to take down Hugo is a fucking coward and there are many of them. If a person does not fit that description and has other reasons, well I'm not talking to them am I?
I have no double standards, you have a lack of knowledge.
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I can't quote you without manually copying your quote. It's annoying. You can do it, I'm just saying, it's fucking annoying.
I didn't lump everyone.... to do so would be stupid. I guess I could have gone into a long list of what would and would not constitute being a coward. not... Come on, it doesn't take a brainiac to figure out... The guy that is absolutely against Hugo and wants him out but does so by moving to America and joining up with the group that is lobbying the government in America to take down Hugo is a fucking coward and there are many of them. If a person does not fit that description and has other reasons, well I'm not talking to them am I?
I have no double standards, you have a lack of knowledge.
Sorry! I understand the issue with replying with quotes now. I'll try to remember not to do that again!
Is the woman that 333386 sponsored "lobbying the government in America to take down Hugo"? Why did you tell him that it was a mistake to sponsor her? I know many Venezuelans who migrated to the US. None are lobbying the government in America to take down Hugo. I know many Venezuelans who want to leave Venezuela. None of them are wanting to go to the US to lobby the government in America to take down Hugo.
Fine, you have double standards and you are inconsistent. I can't blame you for being bias toward your own country.
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Have you asked me a question on this thread, other than "should I now start quoting the things that you have not answered as repies to your posts?"?
I've made points in this thread and other threads that you have not replied to... Should I stalk you with them now by quoting them in reply to your posts? That would be annoying.... Did you like everyone here does not pick out the sweet spots you felt comfortable with?
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I've made points in this thread and other threads that you have not replied to... Should I stalk you with them now by quoting them in reply to your posts? That would be annoying....
Should I reply to every point you make on this and other threads on this and other boards when you are not directly addressing me? Ah, no!
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Should I reply to every point you make on this and other threads on this and other boards when you are not directly addressing me? Ah, no!
no, you should just pick out the sweet spot you are most comfortable with and which you feel will swing the debate in your direction and ignore the rest and then you should get pissed if anyone starts quoting unanswered questions made by yourself... epic.... ahahahaha....
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no, you should just pick out the sweet spot you are most comfortable with and which you feel will swing the debate in your direction and ignore the rest and then you should get pissed if anyone starts quoting unanswered questions made by yourself... epic.... ahahahaha....
I'll do that if I feel like it, and I will also continue to pick out the points I'm most interested in and the once I have knowledge of and have the time to address.
My questions were directed at you, but you ignored them. You did not ask me anything. So I don't know what you are whining about.
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I can't quote you without manually copying your quote. It's annoying. You can do it, I'm just saying, it's fucking annoying.
I didn't lump everyone.... to do so would be stupid. I guess I could have gone into a long list of what would and would not constitute being a coward. not... Come on, it doesn't take a brainiac to figure out... The guy that is absolutely against Hugo and wants him out but does so by moving to America and joining up with the group that is lobbying the government in America to take down Hugo is a fucking coward and there are many of them. If a person does not fit that description and has other reasons, well I'm not talking to them am I?
I have no double standards, you have a lack of knowledge.
Is the woman that 333386 sponsored "lobbying the government in America to take down Hugo"? Why did you tell him that it was a mistake to sponsor her? I know many Venezuelans who migrated to the US. None are lobbying the government in America to take down Hugo. I know many Venezuelans who want to leave Venezuela. None of them are wanting to go to the US to lobby the government in America to take down Hugo.
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Loco, you've ignored many points made by me, in reply to you and cherry picked the point you wanted to respond.... Have then started quoting your posts with what I feel were points you failed to address? nope...
anyway, the real point was that I don't like quotes because I can't quote you without copying and pasting or going back in the thread, not that you were asking the question again. I was just mainly saying an all quote post is a bitch. I mean asking the same question over again is annoying too, many here if not most fail to answer all the points made...
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Loco, you've ignored many points made by me, in reply to you and cherry picked the point you wanted to respond.... Have then started quoting your posts with what I feel were points you failed to address? nope...
anyway, the real point was that I don't like quotes because I can't quote you without copying and pasting or going back in the thread, not that you were asking the question again. I was just mainly saying an all quote post is a bitch. I mean asking the same question over again is annoying too, many here if not most fail to answer all the points made...
[quote author=loco link=topic=359804.msg5089158#msg5089158 date=1292861547
Sorry! I understand the issue with replying with quotes now. I'll try to remember not to do that again!
:)
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Is the woman that 333386 sponsored "lobbying the government in America to take down Hugo"? Why did you tell him that it was a mistake to sponsor her? I know many Venezuelans who migrated to the US. None are lobbying the government in America to take down Hugo. I know many Venezuelans who want to leave Venezuela. None of them are wanting to go to the US to lobby the government in America to take down Hugo.
She atually has become a right winger and drags my friend to all sorts of historical shit.
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Is the woman that 333386 sponsored "lobbying the government in America to take down Hugo"? Why did you tell him that it was a mistake to sponsor her? I know many Venezuelans who migrated to the US. None are lobbying the government in America to take down Hugo. I know many Venezuelans who want to leave Venezuela. None of them are wanting to go to the US to lobby the government in America to take down Hugo.
did not 3333 describe her as extremely anti hugo chavez and did he not pose what he did helping them to escape what they didn't like there? yes.... So based on his original post, my first post was spot on... sorry if that hurts you.
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did not 3333 describe her as extremely anti hugo chavez and did he not pose what he did helping them to escape what they didn't like there? yes.... So based on his original post, my first post was spot on... sorry if that hurts you.
I am very much anti Hugo Chavez, but I'm not wanting to go to the US to lobby the government in America to take down Hugo. You are jumping to conclusions.
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I am very much anti Hugo Chavez, but I'm not wanting to go to the US to lobby the government in America to take down Hugo. You are jumping to conclusions.
WHAT THE FUCK? where did I say that about you? Honestly, where the fucking hell did I say that about you asshole?
Fact, many do come here and do join up and or contribute to a movement for American intervention or just bail in mass because they don't like it and then spend their time yelling about it from a safe place far away. Where did I say you were a part of that? I didn't name names... I don't know who they all are, well I know a few dozen or so... What I said does infact apply to a large faction of people running away from there, nowhere did I say it applies to everyone who doesn't like Hugo. Why would I have to say that? Would it not be stupid as fuck to assume I was talking about everyone? Why would I do that? I can't even fathom one would assume what I said must apply to every situtation.
You cherry picked one single word, "coward" out of my entire post in order to redirect what I said to what you wanted to focus on... DID YOU NOT? DID YOU ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS THE MAIN POINTS OF MY POST? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....
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WHAT THE FUCK? where did I say that about you? Honestly, where the fucking hell did I say that about you asshole?
Fact, many do come here and do join up and or contribute to a movement for American intervention or just bail in mass because they don't like it and then spend their time yelling about it from a safe place far away. Where did I say you were a part of that? I didn't name names... I don't know who they all are, well I know a few dozen or so... What I said does infact apply to a large faction of people running away from there, nowhere did I say it applies to everyone who doesn't like Hugo. Why would I have to say that? Would it not be stupid as fuck to assume I was talking about everyone? Why would I do that? I can't even fathom one would assume what I said must apply to every situtation.
You cherry picked one single word, "coward" out of my entire post in order to redirect what I said to what you wanted to focus on... DID YOU NOT? DID YOU ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS THE MAIN POINTS OF MY POST? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....
Relax! I never said you said that about me. I was using me as an example that being anti Hugo Chavez doesn't translate into going to the US to lobby the American government to take down Hugo. Most Venezuelans just want to get out of here in search for a better future and simply to avoid being murdered.
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Relax! I never said you said that about me. I was using me as an example that being anti Hugo Chavez doesn't translate into going to the US to lobby the American government to take down Hugo. Most Venezuelans just want to get out of here in search for a better future and simply to avoid being murdered.
Yes you did imply that and nailed it down by saying that I was jumping to conclusions which is a direct accusation of what you said before that right...... Are you fucking kidding me? lol... Not to mention your post does not even fucking apply or address what you quoted from me... Yes, I am fucking royally ticked off.... I am sick and tired of these goddamned games played everytime I try to have an honest debate.
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Yes you did imply that and nailed it down by saying that I was jumping to conclusions which is a direct accusation of what you said before that right...... Are you fucking kidding me? lol... Not to mention your post does not even fucking apply or address what you quoted from me... Yes, I am fucking royally ticked off.... I am sick and tired of these goddamned games played everytime I try to have an honest debate.
Yes, you did jump to conclusions with the Venezuelan woman mentioned in this thread, that just because she is anti Hugo Chavez, it follows that she is lobbying the US government to take out Hugo and it follows that she is a coward. ::)
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Yes, you did jump to conclusions with the Venezuelan woman mentioned in this thread, that just because she is anti Hugo Chavez, it follows that she is lobbying the US government to take out Hugo and it follows that she is a coward. ::)
Oh well no shit but it's not like that... It was based on what he told me... From his original post for all I knew he just sent money to people asking and helped them get over here. My reply was based on the info he told me. It's not like I was making conclusions out of malace... I was replying to the information given which is an opinion that I stand by.
Should you be yelling at me or yelling at 3333 for not giving all the details?
A general statement gets a general answer... no shit huh... why nail me for that?
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Oh well no shit but it's not like that... It was based on what he told me... From his original post for all I knew he just sent money to people asking and helped them get over here. My reply was based on the info he told me. It's not like I was making conclusions out of malace... I was replying to the information given which is an opinion that I stand by.
Should you be yelling at me or yelling at 3333 for not giving all the details?
A general statement gets a general answer... no shit huh... why nail me for that?
She was not a political person at all but saw what the thugocracy was doing and how it was intentionally destroying the middle class and creating a wave of terror over small businesses, etc, etc.
Her coming to her views was after seeing the results of the policies, not the other way around.
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She was not a political person at all but saw what the thugocracy was doing and how it was intentionally destroying the middle class and creating a wave of terror over small businesses, etc, etc.
Her coming to her views was after seeing the results of the policies, not the other way around.
3333, why do you hate Ron Paul?
I can debate like you guys do too....
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3333, why do you hate Ron Paul?
I can debate like you guys do too....
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I like Ron Paul, but he s the opposite of Chavez.
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I like Ron Paul, but he s the opposite of Chavez.
no, from everything you have said you hate Ron Paul... I would like to know why? The main principlies, minus some little offensive comments in what I have said absolutely align with Ron Paul yet you oppose what I have said... so why do you hate Ron Paul?...
If you boil down what I say, it's that Hugo is not our business and we don't need to be fucking around with them, they will figure it out on their own and we will probably make things worse if we keep getting involved... I can show you countless videos of Ron Paul saying this same thing... Yet you call me out for essentially saying the same thing...
Thus, you hate Ron Paul or you don't understand Ron Paul....
Why do you hate Ron Paul? ;D
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no, from everything you have said you hate Ron Paul... I would like to know why? The main principlies, minus some little offensive comments in what I have said absolutely align with Ron Paul yet you oppose what I have said... so why do you hate Ron Paul?...
If you boil down what I say, it's that Hugo is not our business and we don't need to be fucking around with them, they will figure it out on their own and we will probably make things worse if we keep getting involved... I can show you countless videos of Ron Paul saying this same thing... Yet you call me out for essentially saying the same thing...
Thus, you hate Ron Paul or you don't understand Ron Paul....
Why do you hate Ron Paul? ;D
bro - did you pull an all nighter or something?
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no, from everything you have said you hate Ron Paul... I would like to know why? The main principlies, minus some little offensive comments in what I have said absolutely align with Ron Paul yet you oppose what I have said... so why do you hate Ron Paul?...
If you boil down what I say, it's that Hugo is not our business and we don't need to be fucking around with them, they will figure it out on their own and we will probably make things worse if we keep getting involved... I can show you countless videos of Ron Paul saying this same thing... Yet you call me out for essentially saying the same thing...
Thus, you hate Ron Paul or you don't understand Ron Paul....
Why do you hate Ron Paul? ;D
Correct! Ron Paul would say "leave the Venezuelans alone and allow them to workout their own problems. The US should not intervene in their affairs."
However, how is sponsoring an immigrant to the US from any country in contradiction with Ron Paul's foreign policy?
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Chavez defends plan for Internet regulations
The Associated Press
Sunday, December 19, 2010; 4:10 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/19/AR2010121902461.html
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CARACAS, Venezuela -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez defended plans for a law that would impose broadcast-type regulations on the Internet, saying Sunday that his government should protect citizens against online crimes.
Chavez's congressional allies are considering extending the "Social Responsibility Law" for broadcast media to the Internet, banning messages that "disrespect public authorities," "incite or promote hatred" or crimes, or are aimed at creating "anxiety" in the population.
Government opponents and press freedom groups have been critical of the plan, saying it is one of several measures being considered that could restrict freedoms in Venezuela.
"We aren't eliminating the Internet here ... nor censoring the Internet," Chavez said during his weekly television and radio program, "Hello, President." "What we're doing is protecting ourselves against crimes, cybercrimes, through a law."
As examples, Chavez mentioned messages promoting drug use, prostitution and other crimes, and said his government has an obligation to take a stand. Questions remain about how the measures would be enforced.
Chavez also rebuffed criticism over the National Assembly's vote on Friday granting him special powers to enact laws by decree in a range of areas for the next year and a half.
Critics called it a power grab, noting that Chavez will be able to largely bypass the incoming National Assembly that takes office next month with a larger opposition contingent.
"They're calling me a dictator?" Chavez said, dismissing the criticism. "They're the dictators, those who are crazy for installing the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie once again in Venezuela - but we'll never again allow them."