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Was watching the 94 "O" and of course made me realize how Great the physiques of the 90's were. What a great lineup...
Wanted to post a few vids of my favorites that are never really talked about:
Therry Pastel - Best ABs ever...phenomenal arms as well
Sonny Schmidt RIP
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Cziurlock aka GH 15
Clairemont - another one of my personal favorites
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Porter
Top 6
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you should have added aron paker too!!..
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Always makes me laugh when people say Ray was a clear winner. Levrone and Dillett could (should?) have placed higher than him that year. I think even Dorian said to Levrone that he thought it was going to be between the two of them like in '92.
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imo P. C. too didnt deserve his 5th place.. there were some better bbs who came after him!!..
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Dorian destroyed everyone in the contest, with a torn arm no less
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Dorian destroyed everyone in the contest, with a torn arm no less
One clear thing is that he was considerably thicker than anyone else. When they're walking around during the posedown, he's litterally making everyone look like fax papers.
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Czurlock was the big surprise and a a crowd favorite at the 94 O. I saw Roland before the prejudigng in the lobby, he was wearing fake tan and pacing around like an animal. I thought he was just some Bucket Head that had came to watch the show. He made a big impression on the audience.
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The real winner of the 1994 Olympia:
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I think the Sandow's still at Dorian's place. The midget looked pathetic next to Dorian (fuck, look at the shoulder width difference), Levrone and even Dillett as I said could have place higher than him. I sincerely don't see how they placed him ahead of Levrone.
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Rewatched many time 94 O, Doryan was the clear winner and Tierry Pastel should have been in the top 6.
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let's nasserise this thread ;D
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Bull fucking shit...Shawn should have one...Yates had zero taper on his waist and a fucked up arm...Shawn was complete...This contest was the beginning of the end of being complete vs. being a huge blob of shit....Shawn got robbed.
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Considering Dorian had his torn bicep and his tan was running he was still hard enough to smoke everyone in the contest.
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Pastel has some of the best arms I've ever seen. full bis, full tris no weaknesses....better than heath's overall.
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Pastel has some of the best arms I've ever seen. full bis, full tris no weaknesses....better than heath's overall.
Good physique when standing alone, but the fact he was only about 5'2 would be considered a weakness in my book.
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The real winner of the 1994 Olympia:
True..if they had used the same judging criteria as back in the late 70's, when a complete physique with the least amount of flaws couple with an artful posing routine was deemed the best, Sean ray would have won. Which means if they used the 94 judging criteria back in the 70's, Zane would have gotten beat by guys like Ken Waller or Mike Katz...just because they were bigger..
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Good physique when standing alone, but the fact he was only about 5'2 would be considered a weakness in my book.
Holy shit, I just googled it. He really was only 5'2.... :-X :-X :-X
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Holy shit, I just googled it. He really was only 5'2.... :-X :-X :-X
Yep - even shorter than Lee Priest. (if that's possible)
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True..if they had used the same judging criteria as back in the late 70's, when a complete physique with the least amount of flaws couple with an artful posing routine was deemed the best, Sean ray would have won. Which means if they used the 94 judging criteria back in the 70's, Zane would have gotten beat by guys like Ken Waller or Mike Katz...just because they were bigger..
Kidding I see. Sure, Arnole was real complete (half a body just not there), even Oliva before wasn't exactly complete. Columbu? Let's all laugh together. Zane I won't disagree but the first real complete physique to be rewarded was Bannout. And then even Haney wasn't exactly complete. Judges almsot never rewarded the most complete physique but actually Bbers with one or two outstanding parts (since Haney's days, preferably a back). Dorian was ten times as complete as Arnold ever was. Not as aesthetic but that has nothing to do with being complete.
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Kidding I see. Sure, Arnole was real complete (half a body just not there), even Oliva before wasn't exactly complete. Columbu? Let's all laugh together. Zane I won't disagree but the first real complete physique to be rewarded was Bannout. And then even Haney wasn't exactly complete. Judges almsot never rewarded the most complete physique but actually Bbers with one or two outstanding parts (since Haney's days, preferably a back). Dorian was ten times as complete as Arnold ever was. Not as aesthetic but that has nothing to do with being complete.
What are you talking about..as far as Arnold having half a body? Have you seen his legs in 73 and 74..as good as anyone competing back then and way more separated. Yes, in 75 and 80 they were light because he came in smaller (75..had to lose 30 pounds for "Stay Hungry" and then only a few months to regain.. and 80 after a 5 year layoff. ) Oliva was pretty complete..just needed to come in more cut. Columbu wasn't bad untill his comeback in 81 and then his legs were bad because he destroyed his knee a few years befor that. Haney's arms were pretty weak untill after 84 when he brought them almost up to par with the rest of him. You know as well as I do, the guys today with the bloated guts and syntholed arms and crappy calves would never place high with 70's judging standards. The judging was better back then in my opinion.
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What are you talking about..as far as Arnold having half a body? Have you seen his legs in 73 and 74..as good as anyone competing back then and way more separated. Yes, in 75 and 80 they were light because he came in smaller (75..had to lose 30 pounds for "Stay Hungry" and then only a few months to regain.. and 80 after a 5 year layoff. ) Oliva was pretty complete..just needed to come in more cut. Columbu wasn't bad untill his comeback in 81 and then his legs were bad because he destroyed his knee a few years befor that. Haney's arms were pretty weak untill after 84 when he brought them almost up to par with the rest of him. You know as well as I do, the guys today with the bloated guts and syntholed arms and crappy calves would never place high with 70's judging standards. The judging was better back then in my opinion.
I agree with the bloated guts and synthol arms but those flaws (and the fact that aestethics have been thrown out of the window) doesn't change the fact that whatever era you're talkINg about there was always very few "complete" Bbers and they rarely got rewarded. Arnold had just decent/good legs in '73 and '74 but not on par with his arms and pecs (even his shoulders were lacking compared to the rest of the upper front). Columbu wasn't bad (though his much praised back were just big lats with no detail whatsoever) but was he better and more complete than Zane? Labrada in his day and time was more complete and balanced than Haney but who won? Haney's legs would vary a lot from one year to another (his best being in '91, otherwise he would have lost to Dorian) and no, his arms were never on par with neither his pecs or his back. And how do you think the '70s Bbers would fare with todays or the 90's judging standards.
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All of them 2nd on down should be happy Flex wasn't there...It means that their places were bumped up. Flex said that he went to the 94 O, and said thar he thought that that there was no way he could compete with these "Monsters"...
And Pastel to me, had the best arms of any short guy, bar none---better than Priest's.
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All of them 2nd on down should be happy Flex wasn't there...It means that their places were bumped up. Flex said that he went to the 94 O, and said thar he thought that that there was no way he could compete with these "Monsters"...
And Pastel to me, had the best arms of any short guy, bar none---better than Priest's.
Histrory is history. Pastel was better than Porter Cotrell, no racist bullshit!
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Histrory is history. Pastel was better than Porter Cotrell, no racist bullshit!
Cottrell, I believe was from the East Coast (MD?) and had that fireman image, they (the powers that be) wanted him included because they wanted that image. Pastel was a Frenchman, and the IFBB has a habit in shafting Frechman a la Serge Nubret...or it could have been, that he was a 5'2 foreigner who for poltical reasons didn't stack up to a 5'7 (if that) fireman...
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True..if they had used the same judging criteria as back in the late 70's, when a complete physique with the least amount of flaws couple with an artful posing routine was deemed the best, Sean ray would have won. Which means if they used the 94 judging criteria back in the 70's, Zane would have gotten beat by guys like Ken Waller or Mike Katz...just because they were bigger..
Exactly how I think, they rewarded size and width over everything else.
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Not Olympia but I don't know why this guy didn't go farther:
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Anyone on the top 6 in 94' could have taken the Mr.O this year !
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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The physiques looked fuller, not as dried out and as GH15 says..."synthetic" muscles....more natural, rounder bellies...
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Pastel should have won. Has everthing bar height.
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Pastel should have won. Has everthing bar height.
He was the clear winner.
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He was the clear winner.
very good calves for a black man!!..
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I honestly think Levrone shouldve won (not Yates' fault, but he couldnt train upper body for 6 weeks prior to the show)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39793&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
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The real winner of the 1994 Olympia:
He looked like a little boy next to Yates. Only pose he came close to beating Doz was in the FDB and that was in the prejudging. All other poses, Yates blew him and everyone else away, both in the prejudging as well as the finals, in which he looked a lot better.
And Shawn himself said he was happy with 2nd place after the contest, which is what he deserved, all said and done.
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I honestly think Levrone shouldve won (not Yates' fault, but he couldnt train upper body for 6 weeks prior to the show)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39793&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
seeing dillett hitting any pose makes me nervous :-X
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He looked like a little boy next to Yates. Only pose he came close to beating Doz was in the FDB and that was in the prejudging. All other poses, Yates blew him and everyone else away, both in the prejudging as well as the finals, in which he looked a lot better.
And Shawn himself said he was happy with 2nd place after the contest, which is what he deserved, all said and done.
yes shawn said this on the day of the show but years later he saw himself the man who should have won ;D
but dorian didnt blow everyone in the other 6 poses kiwi,.. dont exaggerate!!..
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Cottrell, I believe was from the East Coast (MD?) and had that fireman image, they (the powers that be) wanted him included because they wanted that image. Pastel was a Frenchman, and the IFBB has a habit in shafting Frechman a la Serge Nubret...or it could have been, that he was a 5'2 foreigner who for poltical reasons didn't stack up to a 5'7 (if that) fireman...
aron paker, sonbaty, clairmont, pastel, chris cormier, and, sony were all better than cottrell imo!!.. he seemed to be a very nice guy but his bb genetics were not that great.. he was always in a great condition but condition is not everything!..
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yes shawn said this on the day of the show but years later he saw himself the man who should have won ;D
Maybe he thought that if could repeat a lie enough times, people would accept it as the truth. It was very close between him and KLo in the 94 Olympia and he edged Kevin out because of his conditioning. But it was night and day between him and Dorian.
Dorian won all the other poses handily - the FLS, side tri, both the back poses and the abs n thighs. The most muscular wasn't a mandatory pose back then and I can see both Kevin and Dillett looking better than Yates in that one. Side chest was between Dorian and Kevin.
95 onwards, Nasser matched up to Dorian and beat him in one or more of the front poses, but no one did that in 94.
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I think kevin said in his m3 video at the end that he should have been the one winning that show
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Cziurlock aka GH 15
Clairemont - another one of my personal favorites
Absolutely!
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Maybe he thought that if could repeat a lie enough times, people would accept it as the truth. It was very close between him and KLo in the 94 Olympia and he edged Kevin out because of his conditioning. But it was night and day between him and Dorian.
Dorian won all the other poses handily - the FLS, side tri, both the back poses and the abs n thighs. The most muscular wasn't a mandatory pose back then and I can see both Kevin and Dillett looking better than Yates in that one. Side chest was between Dorian and Kevin.
95 onwards, Nasser matched up to Dorian and beat him in one or more of the front poses, but no one did that in 94.
yes in 94 (and imo in general) kevin's side chest was better than yates.. also the side tri was close and i give it to kevin,.. in general at his best yates was better in this pose but in 94 with his pregnant gut it was not the same story!..
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39872&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Levrone wins side chest pose in 94
Yates wins side chest in 1995
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SuYlTX2sm9I/AAAAAAAABGM/zsuHZ3dj-9o/s400/Mr+Olympia+1995+(MUSCLEBASE)+22.JPG)
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39872&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Levrone wins side chest pose in 94
Yates wins side chest in 1995
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SuYlTX2sm9I/AAAAAAAABGM/zsuHZ3dj-9o/s400/Mr+Olympia+1995+(MUSCLEBASE)+22.JPG)
if nasser hit it right he would have been better than both of them!!..
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All to do with who the names are, that dictates whether you are in contention.
Someone like Pastel was complete, zero weaknesses.
Kevin and Shawn look to be making Dorian look like the bloated mess that he is, as always. Pictures and film don't capture Dorian's star quality though...
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All I can say is...what the fuck happened to bodybuilding? Not even gonna argue about placings and who should have won in '94. Just amazed about the overall quality of the physiques in general. PLENTY of size, with great conditioning, overall better posing, and most of all, no stupid distended guts! Which defeats the whole purpose of bodybuilding in the first place! Who the fuck in their right minds would think the physiques of today are an improvement? Boggles my mind... :-[
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Cottrell, I believe was from the East Coast (MD?) and had that fireman image, they (the powers that be) wanted him included because they wanted that image. Pastel was a Frenchman, and the IFBB has a habit in shafting Frechman a la Serge Nubret...or it could have been, that he was a 5'2 foreigner who for poltical reasons didn't stack up to a 5'7 (if that) fireman...
He was from Kentucky.
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imo P. C. too didnt deserve his 5th place.. there were some better bbs who came after him!!..
totally agree there, Porter COtrell was very overrated and basically just another All American poster boy like Mike Francois
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seeing dillett hitting any pose makes me nervous :-X
bump.
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no boo's as yates is announced the winner.
all this talk about how yates should not have won.
was everyone in attendance blind?
yates the easy winner
as always too big AND too hard.
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Not Olympia but I don't know why this guy didn't go farther:
I agree, he looks great.
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another victim of the blind judges on that day!!.. aron came in 12th after many guys who were clearly worse than him!!.. he should have been in the top 8 or 6!!..
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another victim of the blind judges on that day!!.. aron came in 12th after many guys who were clearly worse than him!!.. he should have been in the top 8 or 6!!..
He's tenure with the WBF fucked him, like others.
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another victim of the blind judges on that day!!.. aron came in 12th after many guys who were clearly worse than him!!.. he should have been in the top 8 or 6!!..
That's Aaron Baker. So flaming, you get burnt if you go within 10 feet of him.
He enjoys long walks on the beach, and plowing men up the ass.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2462/3652691260_1bf90e908a.jpg)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=360788.0;attach=396034;image)
crazy separation on that arm.. :o
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He looked like a little boy next to Yates. Only pose he came close to beating Doz was in the FDB and that was in the prejudging. All other poses, Yates blew him and everyone else away, both in the prejudging as well as the finals, in which he looked a lot better.
And Shawn himself said he was happy with 2nd place after the contest, which is what he deserved, all said and done.
Shawn was 9/10 Excellent in his Presentation, his posing, stage presence, transitions were Excellent, for those that have been around awhile you would remember that shawns back was once seen as a WEAK POINT when he won the Nationals in 1987 his Conditioning in his Back was seen as something he REALLY needed to bring up if he was to do well in the Pro ranks...as can be seen here his Back was as GREAT as he was EVER going to get it........ :o :o :o
was shawn ever going to beat Yates?... ??? ??? ???....IMO his best chance was Here in 94 where Yates had the Freshly torn Bicep and a little water retention, and in 1996 when Yates was somewhat Depleted, could he have Beaten Yates?....Probably not IMO 2 Completely Different Structures and the Bottom line Unfortunately For Shawn IMO was Like Haney before Yates They Just Flat-out DOMINATED him with there Massive Size, Presence,and given they both outweighed shawn by 40-50lbs there Conditioning was Outstanding given there size Difference next to him etc
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The real winner of the 1994 Olympia:
is there a special midget Mr O?
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I honestly think Levrone shouldve won (not Yates' fault, but he couldnt train upper body for 6 weeks prior to the show)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39793&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
oh sure, in one out of 20 poses all-arms-levrone looks better LOL
should have trained legs and backe not only 6weeks out (while yates wasn t able to train upper at all) ;)
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another victim of the blind judges on that day!!.. aron came in 12th after many guys who were clearly worse than him!!.. he should have been in the top 8 or 6!!..
AB looked small and narrow next to almost all the other guys
don t just judge on those pics and belive for one second you know better than the judges as the other i-net pros do - it s not even funny
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AB looked small and narrow next to almost all the other guys
don t just judge on those pics and belive for one second you know better than the judges as the other i-net pros do - it s not even funny
so according to you potrel cotrell looked big and wide next to almost all the other guys?!.. :-\
you are very funny :-X
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so according to you potrel cotrell looked big and wide next to almost all the other guys?!.. :-\
you are very funny :-X
no - same as AB
(i wrote - almost...)
learn to read
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Shawn was 9/10 Excellent in his Presentation, his posing, stage presence, transitions were Excellent, for those that have been around awhile you would remember that shawns back was once seen as a WEAK POINT when he won the Nationals in 1987 his Conditioning in his Back was seen as something he REALLY needed to bring up if he was to do well in the Pro ranks...as can be seen here his Back was as GREAT as he was EVER going to get it........ :o :o :o
was shawn ever going to beat Yates?... ??? ??? ???....IMO his best chance was Here in 94 where Yates had the Freshly torn Bicep and a little water retention, and in 1996 when Yates was somewhat Depleted, could he have Beaten Yates?....Probably not IMO 2 Completely Different Structures and the Bottom line Unfortunately For Shawn IMO was Like Haney before Yates They Just Flat-out DOMINATED him with there Massive Size, Presence,and given they both outweighed shawn by 40-50lbs there Conditioning was Outstanding given there size Difference next to him etc
imo shawn deserved to beat dorian in 1997 more than in 94 and 96!!.. in 94 and 96 i too still see dorian better than him but in 97 shawn and nasser and may be kevin too all were better than dorian!!..
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no - same as AB
(i wrote - almost...)
learn to read
what you wrote meant that aron didnt deserve a better position because he was small and narrow so i just gave you potrel cotrell as an example because he was smaller and narrower than aron and not as good shape wise but still came in 5th!!..
learn to have a point before posting any shit!!..
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i agree dorian dominated in 94,even with the torn bicep,96 was the closest ray,would ever be to dorian,only cause dorian was a little depleted.
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i agree dorian dominated in 94,even with the torn bicep,96 was the closest ray,would ever be to dorian,only cause dorian was a little depleted.
yes - dorian was great in 94, just the tan was off, but he had great mass and hardness
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imo shawn deserved to beat dorian in 1997 more than in 94 and 96!!.. in 94 and 96 i too still see dorian better than him but in 97 shawn and nasser and may be kevin too all were better than dorian!!..
1997 is the one Time the Title was there for the Taking..........it didnt happen, not for Shawn, Nasser, Kevin, Ronnie etc etc, Yes Dorian had the Badly torn Bicep, a Quad tear, Triceps tear in the FDB he looked Terrible....1 of the MANDATORY"S .............and he STILL WON his CONDITIONING @ 270lbs from both the Front and back was Very Good, Sherief i STILL dont buy into the Politics Issue however that's my opinion, the Judges made the call and History can not be changed.
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1997 is the one Time the Title was there for the Taking..........it didnt happen, not for Shawn, Nasser, Kevin, Ronnie etc etc, Yes Dorian had the Badly torn Bicep, a Quad tear, Triceps tear in the FDB he looked Terrible....1 of the MANDATORY"S .............and he STILL WON his CONDITIONING @ 270lbs from both the Front and back was Very Good, Sherief i STILL dont buy into the Politics Issue however that's my opinion, the Judges made the call and History can not be changed.
1997 was the only year of Yates' career where he looked bad. He dominated all his other Olympia wins.
Shawn however looked great every year of his career. '97 is the only year Shawn debatablely won. Nasser and Levrone were smooth that year.
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39872&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Levrone wins side chest pose in 94
Yates wins side chest in 1995
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SuYlTX2sm9I/AAAAAAAABGM/zsuHZ3dj-9o/s400/Mr+Olympia+1995+(MUSCLEBASE)+22.JPG)
Shawn is winning the first shot. :)
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He looked like a little boy next to Yates. Only pose he came close to beating Doz was in the FDB and that was in the prejudging. All other poses, Yates blew him and everyone else away, both in the prejudging as well as the finals, in which he looked a lot better.
And Shawn himself said he was happy with 2nd place after the contest, which is what he deserved, all said and done.
He looked like a little boy next to Yates in terms of size only...unfortunately that is what bodybuilding had become. Dorian won that year because judges were all for size and width and forgot about everything else that makes a complete bodybuilder.
In my opinion Shawn was the most complete bodybuilder in 94....physique, posing, presentation, everything. But bodybuilding had already become a mass game so...
I've read plenty of things Shawn said about this contest and believe me he was not happy about the outcome.
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He looked like a little boy next to Yates in terms of size only...unfortunately that is what bodybuilding had become. Dorian won that year because judges were all for size and width and forgot about everything else that makes a complete bodybuilder.
In my opinion Shawn was the most complete bodybuilder in 94....physique, posing, presentation, everything. But bodybuilding had already become a mass game so...
I've read plenty of things Shawn said about this contest and believe me he was not happy about the outcome.
Nope. Dorian had him beat on conditioning (maybe not during the prejudging, but definitely in the finals) and was just as good at posing and presentation, if not better than Shawn.
Shawn had a VERY weak FLS and RLS, both of which were Dorian's strong poses. Plus, he was narrow and had no thickness when seen from the side, which is the opposite of Dorian's case.
He didn't come anywhere near beating Dorian in that Olympia or any other. He had a slight advantage over Dorian in the FDB pose, but Dorian beat him by a much bigger margin in thickness and muscularity. Just because he was angry and outspoken about it (as were lots of others, like Paul Dillett) doesn't mean there was any truth to it.
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oh sure, in one out of 20 poses all-arms-levrone looks better LOL
should have trained legs and backe not only 6weeks out (while yates wasn t able to train upper at all) ;)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/StpEXBgTiqI/AAAAAAAAA38/MOKbuZGxbN8/s400/1994-mr-olympia-bw-31.JPG)
levrone was about 12-15lbs lighter than Yates, and one inch shorter. So size wise, he was close to Dorian in 94.
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levrone was about 12-15lbs lighter than Yates, and one inch shorter. So size wise, he was close to Dorian in 94.
The only time Levrone actually had the hard look Yates always had was in '92. Too bad he had to play the size game.
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AB looked small and narrow next to almost all the other guys
don t just judge on those pics and belive for one second you know better than the judges as the other i-net pros do - it s not even funny
Yeah, what's the criteria for being a judge anyway? Being some fag schmoe who is on the bankroll... ::)
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Nope. Dorian had him beat on conditioning (maybe not during the prejudging, but definitely in the finals) and was just as good at posing and presentation, if not better than Shawn.
Shawn had a VERY weak FLS and RLS, both of which were Dorian's strong poses. Plus, he was narrow and had no thickness when seen from the side, which is the opposite of Dorian's case.
He didn't come anywhere near beating Dorian in that Olympia or any other. He had a slight advantage over Dorian in the FDB pose, but Dorian beat him by a much bigger margin in thickness and muscularity. Just because he was angry and outspoken about it (as were lots of others, like Paul Dillett) doesn't mean there was any truth to it.
Come on bro, Dorian's posing was atrocious, unbelievably bad.
Shawn had a few weaker poses beyond question but so did Dorian. The issue of thickness is moot, Dorian was thick in all of the wrong places, bodybuilding should not be about rewarding blockyness.
The only clear flaw i can see with Shawn was his width (forgetting the fact that he was a midget)...
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Come on bro, Dorian's posing was atrocious, unbelievably bad.
Shawn had a few weaker poses beyond question but so did Dorian. The issue of thickness is moot, Dorian was thick in all of the wrong places, bodybuilding should not be about rewarding blockyness.
The only clear flaw i can see with Shawn was his width (forgetting the fact that he was a midget)...
Dorians posing was bad?
LOL.
His routines may not have had a lot of artistic value, but Dorian was an EXCELLENT poser as far as actually hitting the poses correctly, and hiding his weakness.
Dorian was complete head to toe, thick as fuck back to front, his only weakness was his torn bi. You are the most biased poster Ive seen in quite a while, you come up with a lot of reasons to suit your argument that come out of no where.
There is a set judging criteria, believe it or not, and Dorian does match those better than shawn.
Muscular Bulk, Conditioning, Balance and propotion, posing.
Contrary to what all the Shawn nuthuggers like to say, Dorians balance and propotion is unmatched. No missing or overpowering bodyparts. Only flaw was his biceps. Thats it. And in the mandatory poses, (where his excellent posing showed), the ONLY pose he arguably lost is the FDB. Everyone else Dorian slaughtered.
FBD - Shawn
RDB - Dorian
RLS - Dorian
Side Tri- Dorian (one of the greatest ever)
Ab and Thigh (Dorian, superior width, thickness. His ab-thigh was epic)
Side Chest - Dorian (Shawn looked like a cardboard cutout when he turned sideways)
FLS - Dorian (best lat spread in history)
Unless you just hate Dorian from the get go, when you actually look at his mandatory poses, he was almost unmatched in his prime in EVERY mandatory except the FDB.
People always go on and on about the bodyparts. Bodyparts dont matter, its how the poses look, not "So and so has a better chest and arms so hes better". ::)
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let's nasserise this thread ;D
"If this guy puts on more size, has a back transplant, puts the synth down AND matches my condition he may push me a little more!"
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Dorians posing was bad?
LOL.
His routines may not have had a lot of artistic value, but Dorian was an EXCELLENT poser as far as actually hitting the poses correctly, and hiding his weakness.
Dorian was complete head to toe, thick as fuck back to front, his only weakness was his torn bi. You are the most biased poster Ive seen in quite a while, you come up with a lot of reasons to suit your argument that come out of no where.
There is a set judging criteria, believe it or not, and Dorian does match those better than shawn.
Muscular Bulk, Conditioning, Balance and propotion, posing.
Contrary to what all the Shawn nuthuggers like to say, Dorians balance and propotion is unmatched. No missing or overpowering bodyparts. Only flaw was his biceps. Thats it. And in the mandatory poses, (where his excellent posing showed), the ONLY pose he arguably lost is the FDB. Everyone else Dorian slaughtered.
FBD - Shawn
RDB - Dorian
RLS - Dorian
Side Tri- Dorian (one of the greatest ever)
Ab and Thigh (Dorian, superior width, thickness. His ab-thigh was epic)
Side Chest - Dorian (Shawn looked like a cardboard cutout when he turned sideways)
FLS - Dorian (best lat spread in history)
Unless you just hate Dorian from the get go, when you actually look at his mandatory poses, he was almost unmatched in his prime in EVERY mandatory except the FDB.
People always go on and on about the bodyparts. Bodyparts dont matter, its how the poses look, not "So and so has a better chest and arms so hes better". ::)
Dorian was one of the worst posers ever. Completely mechanical, zero rythm, zero flow, he just looked awkward.
If you really think that Dorian had better balance or proportion than Shawn then so be it, i find it beyond implausible but each to their own. His biceps were terrible, his calves overpowered his quads, he had a very blocky waist, his gut was distended the majority of his career, lacked cuts in quads, chest was small relative to his size and so on. He had a lot more muscular bulk and generally edged conditioning i will concede.
Not a fan of his physique just as i'm not a fan of Ronnie's, they helped to derail the whole sport. Ideology is all wrong.
I know you are a massive fanboy and thats fine. Funny enough i have a lot of respect for him as a person, he was a guy that did things his own way and was a lot more grounded and intelligent than the majority of the other idiots of the time.
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Was watching the 94 "O" and of course made me realize how Great the physiques of the 90's were. What a great lineup...
Wanted to post a few vids of my favorites that are never really talked about:
Therry Pastel - Best ABs ever...phenomenal arms as well
thierry quads n lates too big
Sonny Schmidt RIP
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Thierry had a pretty impressive track record for the most part
1989
Grand Prix England - IFBB, 5th
Grand Prix France - IFBB, 5th
Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 7th
Grand Prix Holland - IFBB, 8th
Grand Prix Spain (2) - IFBB, 7th
Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 7th
Grand Prix Sweden - IFBB, 6th
1990
Grand Prix France - IFBB, 3rd
Grand Prix Holland - IFBB, Winner
Night of Champions - IFBB, 9th
1991
Arnold Classic - IFBB, 5th
Grand Prix Denmark - IFBB, 4th
Grand Prix England - IFBB, 6th
Grand Prix Finland - IFBB, 3rd
Grand Prix Italy - IFBB, 4th
Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 4th
Grand Prix Switzerland - IFBB, 3rd
Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, 4th
Musclefest Grand Prix - IFBB, 2nd
Night of Champions - IFBB, 4th
Olympia - IFBB, 8th
Pittsburgh Pro Invitational - IFBB, 3rd
1992
Arnold Classic - IFBB, 6th
Chicago Pro Invitational - IFBB, 2nd
Grand Prix England - IFBB, 6th
Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 6th
Grand Prix Holland - IFBB, 3rd
Grand Prix Italy - IFBB, 6th
Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, 4th
Night of Champions - IFBB, 4th
Olympia - IFBB, 10th
Pittsburgh Pro Invitational - IFBB, 3rd
1993
Arnold Classic - IFBB, 13th
Chicago Pro Invitational - IFBB, 11th
Grand Prix France (2) - IFBB, 2nd
Grand Prix France - IFBB, 6th
Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 11th
Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, 12th
Night of Champions - IFBB, Did not place
Pittsburgh Pro Invitational - IFBB, 10th
1994
Arnold Classic - IFBB, 11th
Grand Prix France (2) - IFBB, 4th
Grand Prix France - IFBB, 6th
Night of Champions - IFBB, 11th
Olympia - IFBB, 14th
1995
Grand Prix France - IFBB, 6th
Grand Prix Ukraine - IFBB, 6th
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