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http://www.news.com.au/national/desperate-couple-abort-twin-boys-in-desperate-bid-for-ivf-girl/story-e6frfkvr-1225983907853
REALLY? i mean REALLY?
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Not sure what's worse: the sick decision to kill a baby because it's the wrong sex, or the fact a "panel" makes the decision. :-\
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goodness gracious I think even those that are pro choice would be appalled by this...
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very very sick :-X
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http://www.news.com.au/national/desperate-couple-abort-twin-boys-in-desperate-bid-for-ivf-girl/story-e6frfkvr-1225983907853
REALLY? i mean REALLY?
She wants to claim mental distress as a reason to qualify for having this procedure done to manipulate the gender of the next child? She is psychologically stressed at NOT having a girl, but is not bothered psychologically at all at murdering two children in the womb in order to NOT have to have more boys? Someone get a straight jacket, a padded room and plenty of anti depressants for this person...her husband should be held as guilty as her in this.
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why?
it's perfect pro choice.
they chose.
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She didn't break any laws so I can't see how it's anyones business on this board or anywhere what she and her husband chose to do.
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Revolting how cavaliere you leftists are with this issue.
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She didn't break any laws so I can't see how it's anyones business on this board or anywhere what she and her husband chose to do.
ethical and legal arent always the same...
slavery was once legal but it was never ethical
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Revolting how cavaliere you leftists are with this issue.
none of my business what two people in Australia decide to do
real live fully formed human chldren die all over this planet every day and most people couldnt' give less of shit so I don't see why anyone here has the moral authority to criticize this couple decision or try to paint every person on the left with you predetermined guilt for what was and is a completely legal choice on their part
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none of my business what two people in Australia decide to do
real live fully formed human chldren die all over this planet every day and most people couldnt' give less of shit so I don't see why anyone here has the moral authority to criticize this couple decision or try to paint every person on the left with you predetermined guilt for what was and is a completely legal choice on their part
we didnt have a hand in those children dying, these two had a direct hand in the killing of these two...
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we didnt have a hand in those children dying, these two had a direct hand in the killing of these two...
you could have prevented some if you cared to try
what "hand" did you have in the abortion of a fetus in Australia
What business is it of your what some couple in Australia chooses to do
they are no different then any other couple anywhere else who chooses to get an abortion
you (or some people) just don't like their reason but....so what
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you could have prevented some if you cared to try
what "hand" did you have in the abortion of a fetus in Australia
What business is it of your what some couple in Australia chooses to do
they are no different then any other couple anywhere else who chooses to get an abortion
you (or some people) just don't like their reason but....so what
LOL so youre active in everything youre for or against?
LOL b/c its unethical...
me owning automatic weapons shouldnt be anyone elses decision other than myself but it is...the same could be said for any type of legislation...
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LOL so youre active in everything youre for or against?
LOL b/c its unethical...
me owning automatic weapons shouldnt be anyone elses decision other than myself but it is...the same could be said for any type of legislation...
who cares if you own an automatic weapon (I presume you mean something that is legal) and what does it have to do with this couple?
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who cares if you own an automatic weapon (I presume you mean something that is legal) and what does it have to do with this couple?
legality doesnt make something right straw...
again slavery was legal, that didnt make it right...
the US govt cares if I own an automatic weapon...
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legality doesnt make something right straw...
again slavery was legal, that didnt make it right...
the US govt cares if I own an automatic weapon...
I assume when you say automatic you actually mean fully automatic
I know you've got a bug up your ass about abortion but the fact is that it's legal and unless it involves you or your potential child then I can't see how it's any business of yours
abortion is not slavery so if you want to make some argument for or against something try to do it with the topic at hand rather than bringing in some totally unrelated topic.
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I assume when you say automatic you actually mean fully automatic
I know you've got a bug up your ass about abortion but the fact is that it's legal and unless it involves you or your potential child then I can't see how it's any business of yours
abortion is not slavery so if you want to make some argument for or against something try to do it with the topic at hand rather than bringing in some totally unrelated topic.
goodness youre a fuking moron i never said abortion was slavery, but you seem to think simply b/c it is legal that makes it ok...
again legality doesnt make something right
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goodness youre a fuking moron i never said abortion was slavery, but you seem to think simply b/c it is legal that makes it ok...
again legality doesnt make something right
didn't say it was OK
I said it was none of your busines and I also said that this whole moral outrage is bullshit because the same people that are so upset when a cluster of cells is sucked out of a womb don't show the same worries over fully formed human beings who actually feel pain, suffer and die in horrible and completely preventable ways ever day. If the same peopel that are so morally outraged over this also made post about babies dying from malnutrition, dysentary, cholera etc... then I might actually take them seriously
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didn't say it was OK
I said it was none of your busines and I also said that this whole moral outrage is bullshit because the same people that are so upset when a cluster of cells is sucked out of a womb don't show the same worries over fully formed human beings who actually feel pain, suffer and die in horrible and completely preventable ways ever day. If the same peopel that are so morally outraged over this also made post about babies dying from malnutrition, dysentary, cholera etc... then I might actually take them seriously
not true at all im sure if you asked those ppl their views on those issues they would be against them...lol ::)
you are for a persons right to choose...this is what this leads to straw...
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not true at all im sure if you asked those ppl their views on those issues they would be against them...lol ::)
you are for a persons right to choose...this is what this leads to straw...
why do you think the "reason" is significant
would it be any different if they just didn't want a kid
the result is the same
they chose to get an abortion
so what
how is this your business again?
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why do you think the "reason" is significant
would it be any different if they just didn't want a kid
the result is the same
they chose to get an abortion
so what
how is this your business again?
b.c its unethical....
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b.c its unethical....
which part
the abortion or their reason?
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which part
the abortion or their reason?
the abortion is unethical b/c of the reason...
all abortions arent unethical
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the abortion is unethical b/c of the reason...
all abortions arent unethical
aside from the fact that you're in no position to decide what is ethical for another person I don't see how this reason is any different then any other reason.
what if they just didn't want a kid (isn't that what prolifers claim is 98% of the cases of abortion)
is that any more or less ethical than not wanting a certain gender
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aside from the fact that you're in no position to decide what is ethical for another person I don't see how this reason is any different then any other reason.
what if they just didn't want a kid (isn't that what prolifers claim is 98% of the cases of abortion)
is that any more or less ethical than not wanting a certain gender
LOL why am i in no position?
you were passing judgement on the shooter in AZ whats your authority to pass judgment on him?
if you dont want a kid there are tons of ways to prevent it, that is unethical as well....
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LOL why am i in no position?
you were passing judgement on the shooter in AZ whats your authority to pass judgment on him?
if you dont want a kid there are tons of ways to prevent it, that is unethical as well....
what if they just didn't want a kid (isn't that what prolifers claim is 98% of the cases of abortion)
is that any more or less ethical than not wanting a certain gender
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what if they just didn't want a kid (isn't that what prolifers claim is 98% of the cases of abortion)
is that any more or less ethical than not wanting a certain gender
iono about the profilers so lets drop that...
unethical is unethical i wasnt aware there were degrees, both are unethical...
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iono about the profilers so lets drop that...
unethical is unethical i wasnt aware there were degrees, both are unethical...
what if they just didn't want a kid
is that any more or less ethical than not wanting a certain gender
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what if they just didn't want a kid
is that any more or less ethical than not wanting a certain gender
explain to me the varying degrees of unethical behavior...
to me unethical is unethical...both are unethical
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explain to me the varying degrees of unethical behavior...
to me unethical is unethical...both are unethical
is one more unethical than the other ?
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Straw - if the govt legalized murder - would it be ethical to go out and kill people?
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Straw - if the govt legalized murder - would it be ethical to go out and kill people?
the government has legalized murder
it's called the Death Penalty
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is one more unethical than the other ?
can you explain the varying degrees of unethical behavior?
no, well then i guess we will just have to agree both are unethical...
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the government has legalized murder
it's called the Death Penalty
Are you really that stupid ? Seriously? Do you even know the definition of murder?
Second, mky question is in terms of private citizens killing people, not the govt.
Answer the question.
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can you explain the varying degrees of unethical behavior?
no, well then i guess we will just have to agree both are unethical...
I don't see the difference.....remember?
I'm asking you if you see a difference?
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Are you really that stupid ? Seriously? Do you even know the definition of murder?
Second, mky question is in terms of private citizens killing people, not the govt.
Answer the question.
you don't see Capital Punishment as legalzed murder
what would you call it
to your question - there are circumstances where it would be ethical (in my eyes) for me to kill someone
For example if they are trying to harm me and using deadly force
what does the cirucumstamce me killing a fully formed human being have with this couple choice to abort a pregnancy due to the gender of the fetus?
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Hey moron - I said what if the govt legalized murder by private citzens. Would it be ethical do so just because it would be legal to do so?
hhhhmmmm? ? ?
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I don't see the difference.....remember?
I'm asking you if you see a difference?
and i answered brain child ::)
I wasnt aware of varying degrees of unethical behavior, they are both unethical...
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and i answered brain child ::)
I wasnt aware of varying degrees of unethical behavior, they are both unethical...
ok - if they are both unethical (in your opinio) then what's the point of this thread and why all the outrage over this couple for their specific reason for making this choice
it would be no different than if they just didn't want another kid
It's a distinction without a difference
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ok - if they are both unethical (in your opinio) then what's the point of this thread and why all the outrage over this couple for their specific reason for making this choice
it would be no different than if they just didn't want another kid
It's a distinction without a difference
no there is a difference...THESE PPL INTENTIONALLY GOT PREGNANT...
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ok - if they are both unethical (in your opinio) then what's the point of this thread and why all the outrage over this couple for their specific reason for making this choice
it would be no different than if they just didn't want another kid
It's a distinction without a difference
And if the govt legalized murder and I decided I am sick of your posts and kill you - would that be ethical ?
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no there is a difference...THESE PPL INTENTIONALLY GOT PREGNANT...
I just gave you two reasons why a person might abort a pregnancy and you said there was no difference
make up your mind
I wasnt aware of varying degrees of unethical behavior, they are both unethical...
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I just gave you two reasons why a person might abort a pregnancy and you said there was no difference
make up your mind
in unethical behaviour they are both unethical but that doesnt mean each situation is the same... ::)
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in unethical behaviour they are both unethical but that doesnt mean each situation is the same... ::)
again - distinction without a difference.
Why not make a thread every time anyone chooses to have an abortion anywhere the world becaseu they don't want the eventual baby?
whats the difference what the reason is that they don't want it?
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again - distinction without a difference.
Why not make a thread every time anyone chooses to have an abortion anywhere the world becaseu they don't want the eventual baby?
whats the difference what the reason is that they don't want it?
lol there isnt a difference really in why they abort
but to get pregnant on PURPOSE, is different my friend...
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And if the govt legalized murder and I decided I am sick of your posts and kill you - would that be ethical ?
im interested in your answer to this...
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lol there isnt a difference really in why they abort
but to get pregnant on PURPOSE, is different my friend...
isn't this thread about the reason why they aborted?
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isn't this thread about the reason why they aborted?
lol wasnt the thread about the congress woman being shot about that?
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lol wasnt the thread about the congress woman being shot about that?
yep and then you tried to argue the shooter was making valid arguments and therefore might be sane
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this is a great debate.
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again - distinction without a difference.
Why not make a thread every time anyone chooses to have an abortion anywhere the world becaseu they don't want the eventual baby?
whats the difference what the reason is that they don't want it?
Because Roe v Wade was never intended to turn into this. Even the most liberal democrats back in the 1970's would abhor this type of behavior in the name of Roe v Wade. If the most liberal, most staunch proponent of Roe v Wade back in the 1970's, read your post, they would be disgusted.
The reality of the situation is that society will take the laws given to them as far as they possibly can. That is why people need to use a little bit of foresight, a little bit of sensitivity, and a lot of knowledge of our country's history when voting. Your post is a perfect example of what conservatives were saying Roe v Wade would eventually turn into and a perfect example of what liberals were saying that it wasn't.
You seem to think that you're staying true to what your liberal ideals are by defending everything that has to do with killing unborn babies. What you are really doing is turning the good hearted liberals who fought for Roe v Wade in an effort to help those who could not help themselves into liars.
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Because Roe v Wade was never intended to turn into this. Even the most liberal democrats back in the 1970's would abhor this type of behavior in the name of Roe v Wade. If the most liberal, most staunch proponent of Roe v Wade back in the 1970's, read your post, they would be disgusted.
The reality of the situation is that society will take the laws given to them as far as they possibly can. That is why people need to use a little bit of foresight, a little bit of sensitivity, and a lot of knowledge of our country's history when voting. Your post is a perfect example of what conservatives were saying Roe v Wade would eventually turn into and a perfect example of what liberals were saying that it wasn't.
You seem to think that you're staying true to what your liberal ideals are by defending everything that has to do with killing unborn babies. What you are really doing is turning the good hearted liberals who fought for Roe v Wade in an effort to help those who could not help themselves into liars.
this couple is in Australia so Roe v. Wade has nothing to do with them.
the article also says if they are not given the option to choose the sex of their child that they will come to the US to do it so apparently we allow that.
IF you're going to do IVF then I don's see why they can't do something as simple as choose the sex of their child
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this couple is in Australia so Roe v. Wade has nothing to do with them.
the article also says if they are not given the option to choose the sex of their child that they will come to the US to do it so apparently we allow that.
IF you're going to do IVF then I don's see why they can't do something as simple as choose the sex of their child
if youre going to have unprotected sex then I dont see why they cant do something as simple as have the baby... ::)
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if youre going to have unprotected sex then I dont see why they cant do something as simple as have the baby... ::)
? - no idea how this relates the the topic
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? - no idea how this relates the the topic
lol bet you dont ;D
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this couple is in Australia so Roe v. Wade has nothing to do with them.
the article also says if they are not given the option to choose the sex of their child that they will come to the US to do it so apparently we allow that.
IF you're going to do IVF then I don's see why they can't do something as simple as choose the sex of their child
OK but the debate is still the same. One side saying that an unborn baby has a right to live and the other side saying that it is no one's business what a woman does with her body. The debate is obviously alive and well in Australia just like it has been in the US, hence the reason the article was written in the first place. However, it seems that the Australian people haven't quite bought into the liberal lies about why people actually want abortion. they still see it as a last resort option. they still see it as a lesser evil.
The US on the other hand, has been overrun by leftist ideology and they know that we don't give a fuck why someone wants an abortion. if you want a baby dead, we'll find a way to rationalize the killing of it.
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? - no idea how this relates the the topic
its called personal responsibility. it's some conservative thing.
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lol bet you dont ;D
I don't have time wade through that that house of mirrors inside your skull so go ahead and explain it for me professor
when I get home tonight we can review how your attempt to explain valid form while simultaneosly misunderstanding the very wiki page you used to support your argument
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OK but the debate is still the same. One side saying that an unborn baby has a right to live and the other side saying that it is no one's business what a woman does with her body. The debate is obviously alive and well in Australia just like it has been in the US, hence the reason the article was written in the first place. However, it seems that the Australian people haven't quite bought into the liberal lies about why people actually want abortion. they still see it as a last resort option. they still see it as a lesser evil.
The US on the other hand, has been overrun by leftist ideology and they know that we don't give a fuck why someone wants an abortion. if you want a baby dead, we'll find a way to rationalize the killing of it.
This couple lives in Victoria who only recently changed their abortion laws so I don't really see what business it is of ours to tell someone in another country how to conduct their life or how to write their laws.
This couple will have to live with their decision. It has no effect whatsoever on your or me
Victoria: Until 2008, Victorian abortion law was based on the Victorian Crimes Act as interpreted by the Menhennitt ruling of 1969, in the case of R v Davidson. Under the ruling, abortions were legal if necessary to preserve the woman from a serious danger to her life or health – beyond the normal dangers of pregnancy and childbirth – that would result if the pregnancy continued, and is not disproportionate to the danger being averted. Sweeping changes to abortion laws were legislated in 2008 after Premier John Brumby announced "our existing laws are out of step with community sentiment."[6] Legislation to decriminalise abortion up to 24 weeks (with abortions after that time requiring two doctors to agree that it is appropriate, based on the women's current and future physical, psychological and social circumstances[7]) passed the Lower House 49–32 after a conscience vote. It then proceeded to the Upper House[8] where it was passed unamended (23 votes to 17).[9]
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I don't have time wade through that that house of mirrors inside your skull so go ahead and explain it for me professor
when I get home tonight we can review how your attempt to explain valid form while simultaneosly misunderstanding the very wiki page you used to support your argument
yesss yesss run out and go buy your post office stock ;)
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yesss yesss run out and go buy your post office stock ;)
while I'm doing that go back and re-read the thread from last night and see if you can figure how you got completely twisted around and confused by the very source you used to try to make your argument
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while I'm doing that go back and re-read the thread from last night and see if you can figure how you got completely twisted around and confused by the very source you used to try to make your argument
lol hahahahah nice try....
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lol hahahahah nice try....
I'm serious
go study your posts and I'll catch up with you tonight
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This couple lives in Victoria who only recently changed their abortion laws so I don't really see what business it is of ours to tell someone in another country how to conduct their life or how to write their laws.
This couple will have to live with their decision. It has no effect whatsoever on your or me
now thats just a silly post. i'm giving my OPINION. i'm not telling them how to conduct their life. we are on a political message board. i'm fairly certain that every topic you have ever discussed on this board has not been because it has had a DIRECT effect upon you.
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And if the govt legalized murder and I decided I am sick of your posts and kill you - would that be ethical ?
BUMP
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one more thing that I want to add. Straw Man is giving very typical responses from someone on the left. I am giving very typical responses from someone on the right.
Here's something to think about. 100 years from now, maybe even 50 years from now when thousands of babies are being aborted every year because they carry the homosexual gene, the leftist rhetoric as it comes to abortion will change. The right's will not. On this particular issue the right stands on firm ground. The left dances around and directs their moral compass in the direction that feels comfortable to them at the time.
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one more thing that I want to add. Straw Man is giving very typical responses from someone on the left. I am giving very typical responses from someone on the right.
Here's something to think about. 100 years from now, maybe even 50 years from now when thousands of babies are being aborted every year because they carry the homosexual gene, the leftist rhetoric as it comes to abortion will change. The right's will not. On this particular issue the right stands on firm ground. The left dances around and directs their moral compass in the direction that feels comfortable to them at the time.
100/50/20/0 years from now no one will give a shit if you're homosexual or not
And I expect that even when they do find a gay gene that religious kooks will still claim it's a choice (as it it even mattered what other people choose to do in their private lives)
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100/50/20/0 years from now no one will give a shit if you're homosexual or not
And I expect that even when they do find a gay gene that religious kooks will still claim it's a choice (as it it even mattered what other people choose to do in their private lives)
lol ppl are genetically predisposed to being violent, is it still not a choice to go hit someone?
genetic predisposition doesnt take away the choice
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lol ppl are genetically predisposed to being violent, is it still not a choice to go hit someone?
genetic predisposition doesnt take away the choice
they are
I wasn't aware they found a violence gene and had proven such a thing as you're saying. They might have clues, like they have clues about a lot of things but I wasn't aware it was a proven fact.
btw - I couldn't care less if being gay is 100% choice. I don't see how that makes any difference
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BUMP
bump
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100/50/20/0 years from now no one will give a shit if you're homosexual or not
And I expect that even when they do find a gay gene that religious kooks will still claim it's a choice (as it it even mattered what other people choose to do in their private lives)
really? no one will give a shit? you know that for sure? bottom line is you're guessing for the sake of your argument with me. and the bottom line is if people start aborting because the child will be born with a predisposition to homosexuality the left will have something to say about it. all of a sudden abortion will be a wrong choice and they will insist on "placing laws on women's bodies". and the hypocrisy will be palpable.
also there is a plethora of evidence showing that there is a genetic predisposition towards violence and criminal behavior. you are WRONG about that. again you are refuting certain things simply for arguments sake.
my friend works for a bioethics non profit company that researches where we are headed with regards to all of this. these are all issues that they are discussing. that NEED to be discussed. because they are a reality. No one fighting for the freedom to have an abortion in this country ever fathomed that there would be 1.5 million a year, every year, for the next 40 years. no one.
fortunately there are people out there who remember that and take it into account when they decide on current and future legislation. you don't sound like you do.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/genetics/article6919130.ece
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straw man why won't you answer 333's question?
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/genetics/article6919130.ece
it is scary to think that this defense could soon enter american courthouses
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really? no one will give a shit? you know that for sure? bottom line is you're guessing for the sake of your argument with me. and the bottom line is if people start aborting because the child will be born with a predisposition to homosexuality the left will have something to say about it. all of a sudden abortion will be a wrong choice and they will insist on "placing laws on women's bodies". and the hypocrisy will be palpable.
also there is a plethora of evidence showing that there is a genetic predisposition towards violence and criminal behavior. you are WRONG about that. again you are refuting certain things simply for arguments sake.
my friend works for a bioethics non profit company that researches where we are headed with regards to all of this. these are all issues that they are discussing. that NEED to be discussed. because they are a reality. No one fighting for the freedom to have an abortion in this country ever fathomed that there would be 1.5 million a year, every year, for the next 40 years. no one.
fortunately there are people out there who remember that and take it into account when they decide on current and future legislation. you don't sound like you do.
Almost no one gives a shit now so I don't see why that would change in the future. Also if were able to pick genetic traits in the future then so be it. I don't give a shit what some future couple wants in there private life and I doubt anyone will either. If people want there kids to be blond blue eyed and straight then that's their business
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Almost no one gives a shit now so I don't see why that would change in the future. Also if were able to pick genetic traits in the future then so be it. I don't give a shit what some future couple wants in there private life and I doubt anyone will either. If people want there kids to be blond blue eyed and straight then that's their business
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