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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: closeline on January 10, 2011, 06:26:45 AM
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look at the improvenents the IFBB Pro Savolainen made within one year
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if legit, its the craziest biceps development i ve ever seen
you be the judge
unbeliveable growth of his jaw also
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OMG - only one person had the matching triceps
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No its not possible...ive spoken once or twice with Marko at the gym after all those kidney etc operations he had...when he had lost most of his size it was easy to see there definitely was some external filling in his arms...a bit like flex wheeler
I also have to say after meeting the guy he truly is one of the most stupid pro bb'ers there's ever been...he spoke pretty honestly about his drug use and it was completely out of control...he didnt have a clue about that side of bb'ing so he simply took anything and everything in sight, including alk kinds of rec drugs, guess that's way he ended up in those troubles...Still a tough guy though, probably the best known finnish bodybuilder of all time...training hard as well and givin advice to youngsters...don't know if i'm interested in his tips, however... ::)
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cool rat tail :D
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"is it possible without oil?".....No
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I do not want to live in a world without supplements :)
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I think it's easy to spot to be honest. Just the way it sits , difference in density visually to real muscle.
Flex, Marko, Nasser, Dillett, Kev, Jay....the list goes on.
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I do not want to live in a world without supplements :)
fuckin A man...
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I do not want to live in a world without supplements :)
Team EG.
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No its not possible...ive spoken once or twice with Marko at the gym after all those kidney etc operations he had...when he had lost most of his size it was easy to see there definitely was some external filling in his arms...a bit like flex wheeler
I also have to say after meeting the guy he truly is one of the most stupid pro bb'ers there's ever been...he spoke pretty honestly about his drug use and it was completely out of control...he didnt have a clue about that side of bb'ing so he simply took anything and everything in sight, including alk kinds of rec drugs, guess that's way he ended up in those troubles...Still a tough guy though, probably the best known finnish bodybuilder of all time...training hard as well and givin advice to youngsters...don't know if i'm interested in his tips, however... ::)
Did he mention what he took?
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Did he mention what he took?
Ye he did..However, it's more than possible he left something out...but trust me, it wasnt just weed he was smoking on top of his peds...not gonna give exact facts, though...ask gh15... ::)
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By the way spude, did you ever see or meet Riku Kiri over there in Finland?
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well this marco fella, i dont recon he was bodybuilding, rather practicing cosmetic surgury.
his haircut was disturbing as well.
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By the way spude, did you ever see or meet Riku Kiri over there in Finland?
Well I've seen him but not actually met...kinda strong fella...i train at the gym full of old pl and bb'ing fellas, there's quite many stories and rumours floating around about him and all the other legendary brothas of iron...one fella there, at his 60s now, used to work as a reporter for a bb'ing magazine called "Bodaus"...he has some kinda wild stories from the "good old days"
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My friend, JM Blakley (one of bays favs ;D ) was over there in Finland, back in the late 90s, and he had his pic taken with Riku, and Riku made him look like a little boy ;D FYI, JM was bout 290 or so at the time, wit a 700 pound bp to his credit
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Ye he did..However, it's more than possible he left something out...but trust me, it wasnt just weed he was smoking on top of his peds...not gonna give exact facts, though...ask gh15... ::)
Well share with us what he took.
Its also known he was addicted to speed.
dude was a beast.
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drugs r one thing,,, not condoning just stating that at least drugs help ppl build actually muscle tissue9retain water too),, whether u keep it or not well what ev but oil has to b the ruination of bb'n,,, thats really a temp fake fix,,, fill er up for a few days thn gone,,, at least guys that sauce get som real muscle tissue along with water bloat,,, those oil guys r just getting oil bloat and imagine how much they hav to keep putting in there to maintain or increase that size
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No its not possible...ive spoken once or twice with Marko at the gym after all those kidney etc operations he had...when he had lost most of his size it was easy to see there definitely was some external filling in his arms...a bit like flex wheeler
I also have to say after meeting the guy he truly is one of the most stupid pro bb'ers there's ever been...he spoke pretty honestly about his drug use and it was completely out of control...he didnt have a clue about that side of bb'ing so he simply took anything and everything in sight, including alk kinds of rec drugs, guess that's way he ended up in those troubles...Still a tough guy though, probably the best known finnish bodybuilder of all time...training hard as well and givin advice to youngsters...don't know if i'm interested in his tips, however... ::)
I think that would be the case for a large majority of the pros (except that they don't speak honestly).
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Well apart from the fact that his biceps were disproportionally H.U.G.E beyond belief, there is NO other indication he used synthol. His double headed biceps simply had one of the best shape in the whole bodybuilding history. And also, Synthol was barely being invented circa 93.
I say the guy just had some of the best and most amazing biceps genetics in the game ever, and juiced to the gills, and thats it.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rw_U1LlrOFE/SluRo0e_fNI/AAAAAAAABwk/aN3U5B0vRTY/s400/Marko-Savolainen-4.jpg)
a truly freak of nature, one of my favs back in the 90s
(http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/attachment.php?s=8a7dd05edc722c2c5dca9f5a22f3be25&attachmentid=1590&stc=1&d=1104817166)
(http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/attachment.php?s=8a7dd05edc722c2c5dca9f5a22f3be25&attachmentid=1598&stc=1&d=1104817535)
(http://www.bigmusclegallery.net/images/marko.jpg)
and before he started playing the size game too much he used to have a very aesthetic physique:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rkrsh9eV4oQ/TMRlCUSr2tI/AAAAAAAAAGE/zODcAEsvTbU/s1600/Marko02.jpg)
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You guys are silly.... Synthol... possibly yes. But what this really is is spot injections. These guys take so many injections you have to move to different muscle groups. You are hitting bi's, tri's, pecs, quads, delts, and thats just to name a few. This isn't your typical 2 ccs of testosterona a week. This is gram upon gram. Think about it. You got a cubic centimeter blob of oil in your bicep stretch muscle fascia and then training with that heavy and contracting that muscle as hard as you can. It's gunna grow.
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You guys are silly.... Synthol... possibly yes. But what this really is is spot injections. These guys take so many injections you have to move to different muscle groups. You are hitting bi's, tri's, pecs, quads, delts, and thats just to name a few. This isn't your typical 2 ccs of testosterona a week. This is gram upon gram. Think about it. You got a cubic centimeter blob of oil in your bicep stretch muscle fascia and then training with that heavy and contracting that muscle as hard as you can. It's gunna grow.
If you still have a visible peak on your bicep with your arm fully extended, something is amiss.
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How is his biceps bigger than his triceps? Bi's are suppose to be smaller. People like this, ruin and tarnish the sport of bodybuilding.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Guy was a complete oil bag (or whatever they happen to fill the muscle with - God fucking knows)... LOL @ those bi’s - what a fucking joke.
This is what his arms looked like in 92, pre oil.
By 93 his bi’s were oil bags; bulging balloons with a completely different shape and visible abscess in the right bi.
After 93 he never looked back.
O I L B A G . . . just like the rest. They use that shit in ALL muscle groups.
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Guy was a complete oil bag (or whatever they happen to fill the muscle with - God fucking knows)... LOL @ those bi’s - what a fucking joke.
This is what his arms looked like in 92, pre oil.
By 93 his bi’s were oil bags; bulging balloons with a completely different shape and visible abscess in the right bi.
After 93 he never looked back.
O I L B A G . . . just like the rest. They use that shit in ALL muscle groups.
and that my friends,, is the absolit truth!
this is the exact problem gh15 has been talking about,,you sit on diff boardings and hear all the liars,,liar priest ,,liar mike arnold,,liar ron heris ,,liar milos,,liar you name it,,they all keep say some anabolic steoids not a lot,,little gh not a lot,,well you alredy know about the high doses of gh from my advance classes to you ,,but! you are not aware of the use and abuse of ATHE OIL the pure oil that go on ,,
you dont understand that ohilp heath woudnt even hav e19 inch arm if only gh and steroid,,jason cutler would be stuck at 19-20 at the absolit max,, what take them the extra inch or 2 is the pure oil,,some of them go way way more,,some of them can only get to 17-18 inch and need oil to bring it up to 20-21 like this fella here in this posting that you mention ,,
this is the bg lie behind bodybuildg,, this is it right here,,and peopel keep lieing ,,its not only the skip lacour that lie about being natural or clean while hormonized to the max,,its the actual people who admit to use of gh and steroid who lie about the dosses ,,about the duration about the product and about the use and abuse of SYNTETIC OIL!! it is not real muscle,,
real muscle stopped with the lion from lebanon,,thats where it stop!
and thats why i despize thoe individals and will bring them down till the last breath in me,,i will drag them along the thunderdome and make them example for my pupils ,,so my pupils know how it was and how it is ,,and dont need to live in this fake illusion they are told from the dantas ant the such ,,
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Well apart from the fact that his biceps were disproportionally H.U.G.E beyond belief, there is NO other indication he used synthol. His double headed biceps simply had one of the best shape in the whole bodybuilding history. And also, Synthol was barely being invented circa 93.
I say the guy just had some of the best and most amazing biceps genetics in the game ever, and juiced to the gills, and thats it.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rw_U1LlrOFE/SluRo0e_fNI/AAAAAAAABwk/aN3U5B0vRTY/s400/Marko-Savolainen-4.jpg)
a truly freak of nature, one of my favs back in the 90s
(http://forum.ilovespam.com/attachment.php?s=8a7dd05edc722c2c5dca9f5a22f3be25&attachmentid=1590&stc=1&d=1104817166)
(http://forum.ilovespam.com/attachment.php?s=8a7dd05edc722c2c5dca9f5a22f3be25&attachmentid=1598&stc=1&d=1104817535)
(http://www.bigmusclegallery.net/images/marko.jpg)
and before he started playing the size game too much he used to have a very aesthetic physique:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rkrsh9eV4oQ/TMRlCUSr2tI/AAAAAAAAAGE/zODcAEsvTbU/s1600/Marko02.jpg)
Boyer Coe and Ronnie Coleman both have double peaked biceps (as you call them double headed) and Melvin Anthony has one bicep like that. So, it is not uncommon...
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have you fellas ever tried to put oil into muscle ,,deep into it,,the ones who realy like injection ,,and there are many bodybuilder who wait forward for injection ,,they addictd to it ,,they like it more than to train ,,they wil stop at nothing,,they like injecting into the bicep,,deeeep ,,they are pro at that,,they know where how what,,they tried it many years,,they are their own doctors,,they take oilllllllllllllllllll put it into syrange,,and through needle deep into muscle ,,if you tried it you would know the muscle will grow from within ,,it will baloon ,,and if done properly it will baloon right ,,propely mean at the right spot when you have LOW BODY FAT AND SEE SEPERATION ,,thats why all the liars do,,alllllll the ones with what you consider huge arms,,you dont get it,,its the leannnnnnn look from high dosing hgh that mistakly make you think their msucle is real ,,,the muscle is syntetic result of hgh and due to them beiing lean enough they can pull the oil from within the muscle to add few more inches,,,
this is how it is ,,period,, again i would be shot if i told it under real name,,becausew im tellin you right here and now the core most importsant secrets of the cult called bodybuliding
hopefuly the next generation which is majority my pupils will remember me kindly,,
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why don t they put the oil in their weeker bodyparts, why had ernie from englang no calfs but those unhuman tris?
why has marko or ruhl huge bis but not so big tris?
why had lee no pecs?
is it more difficult to inject in tris and calfs than in biceps ?
don t you belive that there are some talents out there with the genetics for 23 inch arms without oil? (bertil fox, coleman, levrone, dillet....)
give us your view gh, please
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why don t they put the oil in their weeker bodyparts, why had ernie from englang no calfs but those unhuman tris?
why has marko or ruhl huge bis but not so big tris?
why had lee no pecs?
is it more difficult to inject in tris and calfs than in biceps ?
don t you belive that there are some talents out there with the genetics for 23 inch arms without oil? (bertil fox, coleman, levrone, dillet....)
give us your view gh, please
Ernie Taylor wanted the freak look...and he had a great physiwue without the outsized arms...I bet Flex magazine (and MD) is embarassed to have run those Ernie Taylor pictorials and training pics...he first got his mainstream bbing article in MD I believe, where they talked about his then 22 inch arms...
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What's so special about synthol? Isn't it just MCT oil? With all the injecting pros have to do why waste a shot shooting dead oil? Why not just inject the equipona, masterona, trenbolona, and testosterona right into the muscle? And don't say that MCT oil breaks down slower than other oils. Why would it?
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why don t they put the oil in their weeker bodyparts, why had ernie from englang no calfs but those unhuman tris?
why has marko or ruhl huge bis but not so big tris?
why had lee no pecs?
is it more difficult to inject in tris and calfs than in biceps ?
don t you belive that there are some talents out there with the genetics for 23 inch arms without oil? (bertil fox, coleman, levrone, dillet....)
give us your view gh, please
Really. Ruhl is always accused of injecting synthol in his bis but why would he do that when it was his tris that needed it?
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all i can tell you si this,, do what you want with it,,back in 2003 ,,at the height of the mexicana fever,,whenevery one was a bodybulder in americana and you could actually see bodybuilder because hormones were available to every joe very easy and everyone did it ,,EVERYONE,,back then,,guys were the biggest possible ...example ron colman 2003,,,any case,,during those time i have trained the most gifter 6'1 with the biggest arms ever on a 6;1 hormonized lifter that was only on aas gh and slin ,,no oil,,
now i want drum rolling,,
that fella ,,great bodybuildr competed super heavy had the huge arms that mesured the huge number offfffffffffffffffffffff ffffffffffff
21.75 inch flexed at 7% ,,you got that right friends,,21.75 inches pumped and flexed no not at 4% but at 7% and no not at 5'8 but at 6;1 !
now he was the best bodybuildr arm wise i have ever trained with or traind,, his arms looked so big he made legs look small,,
21.75 inches pumped flexed at 6'1 and a half...
there you have it friends,,
now you understand why i hate and dispize liar priest,,,,now you get it
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all i can tell you si this,, do what you want with it,,back in 2003 ,,at the height of the mexicana fever,,whenevery one was a bodybulder in americana and you could actually see bodybuilder because hormones were available to every joe very easy and everyone did it ,,EVERYONE,,back then,,guys were the biggest possible ...example ron colman 2003,,,any case,,during those time i have trained the most gifter 6'1 with the biggest arms ever on a 6;1 hormonized lifter that was only on aas gh and slin ,,no oil,,
now i want drum rolling,,
that fella ,,great bodybuildr competed super heavy had the huge arms that mesured the huge number offfffffffffffffffffffff ffffffffffff
21.75 inch flexed at 7% ,,you got that right friends,,21.75 inches pumped and flexed no not at 4% but at 7% and no not at 5'8 but at 6;1 !
now he was the best bodybuildr arm wise i have ever trained with or traind,, his arms looked so big he made legs look small,,
21.75 inches pumped flexed at 6'1 and a half...
there you have it friends,,
now you understand why i hate and dispize liar priest,,,,now you get it
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according to the time you are posting, you are definetly not in the US...
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How is his biceps bigger than his triceps? Bi's are suppose to be smaller. People like this, ruin and tarnish the sport of the freak show called bodybuilding.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sport.. LOL ::) ::) ::)
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55cm / 22 inch without pumping up after 2 month without training an less juice (as past prime ronnie usually did jan /feb)
19'' ifbb pro craig richardson
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24'' on hulkster
28'' on jacko
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Boyer Coe and Ronnie Coleman both have double peaked biceps (as you call them double headed) and Melvin Anthony has one bicep like that. So, it is not uncommon...
To have a double peaked one with that size IS uncommon, thats the point. Marko had a perfectly shaped bis - or, put it the other way, his biceps had ZERO synthol shape. Being the size of bowling balls is not enough evicende of synthol injections.
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the ron colman arm is 21.5 inch not 22,, and ron colman was the only bodybuld in history that had it,,ONLY ONE,,and he is pumped and hormonized in picture,,but he is the only one in history that had it only on hormones,,and also ONLY 21,5 going on 22 ....no one else had it i worked with tons of them 21.75 on 6;1 top amatuer was biggest arm i worked with that didnt have oil in them,,ron did pull 21,5 but then again ron colmen was not jason cutler,,he was freak of nature inregard to arm ,,and liar priest is not ron colman not any other bodybuilder ever
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take a look at philip heath arm,,,and the diff between ron colman and philip heath arms,,,heath arm has oil in them ,,they are not true muscle,,,thast why they mesure the big size,,ron colman at best was 21.5 touching 22 at times,,phillip heath arms were never freak shape,,never high peak,,never really freaky persay,,more of slabs of meat that held low body fat,,and the oil brought them up to the size talked about today ,,
the detail you see is because he is low body fat,,thats it,,
so yes there can be very very few freak like the 6;1 21.75 ,,ron colman 5;10 5;11 21.5 both on maga dosing hormones,,,but anything over those numbers especially on stage,,is immposible with out oil,,
ron colman when mesuyre 21.5 and 22 is not on stage,,his body fat is not 4% he is sitting in those video at good 7-8%
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take a look at philip heath arm,,,and the diff between ron colman and philip heath arms,,,heath arm has oil in them ,,they are not true muscle,,,thast why they mesure the big size,,ron colman at best was 21.5 touching 22 at times,,phillip heath arms were never freak shape,,never high peak,,never really freaky persay,,more of slabs of meat that held low body fat,,and the oil brought them up to the size talked about today ,,
the detail you see is because he is low body fat,,thats it,,
so yes there can be very very few freak like the 6;1 21.75 ,,ron colman 5;10 5;11 21.5 both on maga dosing hormones,,,but anything over those numbers especially on stage,,is immposible with out oil,,
ron colman when mesuyre 21.5 and 22 is not on stage,,his body fat is not 4% he is sitting in those video at good 7-8%
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but his arms look much smaller (at last one inch) than they looked on stage in 2004 or 2003
and he s known for loosing some size in the offseason and going back to heavy lifting just 3-4 month out of his mr o showings
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he use exactly what kevin used,,escilene,, nolotil ,,oil into muscle ,,fella i thin fella ,,he can hardly hold muscle with out hormones,,have you ever stood next to him ,,fella has no width ,,he is like a female! why do you think they coudnt give him o ,,his condition was beter than jason,,the judges coudnt do it because they knew they cant let someone so narrow and so fragile win no matter how good muscle bellie and gh respond he has,,they look for something better,,they realy water kai but kai fucked it up bad,,they wanted deniis but denis has no lower back ,,they resaly want someone else,,but no one to be found,,heath is what we call the best out of the worst team ,,and this is just doesn sit right with head judge or with any judge as you could tell,,thts why jason stillc compete,,
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take a look at philip heath arm,,,and the diff between ron colman and philip heath arms,,,heath arm has oil in them ,,they are not true muscle,,,thast why they mesure the big size,,ron colman at best was 21.5 touching 22 at times,,phillip heath arms were never freak shape,,never high peak,,never really freaky persay,,more of slabs of meat that held low body fat,,and the oil brought them up to the size talked about today ,,
the detail you see is because he is low body fat,,thats it,,
so yes there can be very very few freak like the 6;1 21.75 ,,ron colman 5;10 5;11 21.5 both on maga dosing hormones,,,but anything over those numbers especially on stage,,is immposible with out oil,,
ron colman when mesuyre 21.5 and 22 is not on stage,,his body fat is not 4% he is sitting in those video at good 7-8%
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Young Phil Heath---you can see the striations in his triceps
(http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/attachments/professional-muscle-forum/21861d1222899953-damn-phil-heath-young-heath.jpg)
Phil Heath with Darrem Charles
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Young Phil Heath---you can see the striations in his triceps
(http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/attachments/professional-muscle-forum/21861d1222899953-damn-phil-heath-young-heath.jpg)
Phil Heath with Darrem Charles
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=243297.0;attach=283423;image)
phil heath is not that old,,those pictures are when he is deep deep into hormones already ,,in the hormone and bodybuilding world,,i hav etold yhou over and over that his addiction been for years,,,its only that he became professional not immediate after he started hormonizing,,its a process,,
in the pictue with darem you can tell how much smaller his ams are with out the oil ,,there is no oil there,,but when he is preping he has oil in them like kevin escilense,,he has it in specific times,,thats why deflainting and inflating,,his arm on hormones and only hormones is nto even 20 inches,,phil heath has 19 inch arms on hormone only 19 to 19.5 and this is with all the gh and aas in the world
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according to the time you are posting, you are definetly not in the US...
The second shift of gh15 is in Australia the first is in California.
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heath arms really seem to be small even compared to dareem who s not a true havyweight by himself
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heath arms really seem to be small even compared to dareem who s not a true havyweight by himself
Darrem's arms are up there with the best...
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yes ,,heath is a 18/5-19 inch arm fella,,its the insulin gh and seo that got him anythign bigger,,heath is actually a 200lb bodybuild that try to be mr o,,he is really the mostr fragile fella on o stage ,,almost all of him is syntetic muscle ,,very little foundation,,if you look at tors and take arms off with computer program you fella shave ,,you will see he resemble the width and torse of female fitness girls,,ofcourse somewhat thicker since he is male,,but width of a woman and size fo many woman,,
im sorry if he read it but this is the truth
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Guy was a complete oil bag (or whatever they happen to fill the muscle with - God fucking knows)... LOL @ those bi’s - what a fucking joke.
This is what his arms looked like in 92, pre oil.
By 93 his bi’s were oil bags; bulging balloons with a completely different shape and visible abscess in the right bi.
After 93 he never looked back.
O I L B A G . . . just like the rest. They use that shit in ALL muscle groups.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=361913.0;attach=397260;image)
way to prove your point, posting a pic of the guy in his teens ::)
look here, his back got freakynglish bigger too since that time, was he injecting synthol in his lats too?? ::)
(http://www.iform.no/images/artikkel/profiler_andre/marko6.jpg)
why is it that difficult to admit that some of these dudes actually are genectically gifted? (hormone abusers too, but gemectically gifted mofos nonetheless)
According to getbig, EVERYONE is either at or bellow average, and guess what einstein, this is mathematically impossible, lol
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(http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/attachments/professional-muscle-forum/21861d1222899953-damn-phil-heath-young-heath.jpg)
kinda nice hammie drop for such a small fella...brotha knows how to do this pose so that judges and audience can't see how narrow he is...props...
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way to prove your point, posting a pic of the guy in his teens ::)
look here, his back got freakynglish bigger too since that time, was he injecting synthol in his lats too?? ::)
(http://www.iform.no/images/artikkel/profiler_andre/marko6.jpg)
why is it that difficult to admit that some of these dudes actually are genectically gifted? (hormone abusers too, but gemectically gifted mofos nonetheless)
According to getbig, EVERYONE is either at or bellow average, and guess what einstein, this is mathematically impossible, lol
listen bambam bigalo,,
it sis important you are here now since i have ksome free ime to write next few minutes,,before i have to go ,,i hav e meal to make it to ,,so listen
dont you see that we all look alike? ,,dont you see that somethig happen to use ,,this fin fella,,kuklo,,the no where to be placed bodybuilder tropopinos,,the phil heaths,,the 250lb gym rat with low bodyfat and down syndrom face,,kevin when he was competing,,liar priest,,pauli dillet,, jason ,,list go on and on ,,
dont you see we all look alike? we all has this thick swole same skin tecture type of muscle ,,syntetic blow up from within due to hgh and insulin that adding to sterodis,,then jump on seo for site injects,,cant you tell it after so long of gh15 bible and gh15 lectures and all this time i invest in you kids,,
i mean you need to be blind to not tell we all look alike,,,
take a look at this fella in this posting here,,his back got thicker wider bigger ,,the muscle blow up with water from within ,,from the inside of it,,it grew more muscle fiber dye to hgh that blew up by steroid and insulin and then final site enhancing oil into part to make it feeakish,,,this is the secret bam bam bigalo ,,
i risk my life on here to get it to you kids,,i absolitly risk my life,,the amount of threats i get in one week is bordering insanity,,i risk my life so you understand it and stop this worshiping and start becoming bodybuilder yourself,,
time for you to get it bam bam
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kinda nice hammie drop for such a small fella...brotha knows how to do this pose so that judges and audience can't see how narrow he is...props...
you can tell he is VERY narow and highly influenced by sean ray,,but ray had something thid fella doesnt,,he had FOUNDATION,,phil heath is part of cursed generation called
generation nothingness,,
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gh15, what about darrem? his peaks are crazy to the point you wonder if he puts something in there.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=42501&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=43565&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=35528&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
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take a look at picture of sean ray at this stage of age and development ,,you will see what im talking about,,its like phil heath is all gh and steroid,,then lower dose gh now high dose gh ,,then boom into insulin and climbing to a point now he is maxed and lost,,he is at the top ,,he will never look like ron colman because he is at the max,,he cant get any better because the muscle are done ,,took all his frame,,they are at biggest size and dont look freaky ,,he is just maxed out unlike colman that had more and more to add to to his frame and due to him having FOUNDATION
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6'1" @ 7% with 21.75 inch arms fully pumped, so what would his arms measure cold on the first flex? FYI, nearly 40 years ago, Olivia's arms measured 20.25 inches cold, on the first flex, with ABSOLUTELY NO PUMP
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I actually appreciate shawn ray for the fact he had guts to shrink to a shit looking skinny fat, a shadow of his prime...you truly ned some cojones to go and interview current pros looking like an ordinary fat fella picked up from the street...i couldnt do that...i'm pretty damn sure i'm going to be "on" for the rest of my life...the more i have money the more i will be using...props for shawnie, "the uncrowned 94&97 mr olympia"!!!
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the two 6-1 guys with 21 ich arms i know
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both german both the greatest of their time
which one of them worked wit gh15?
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i was wearing here clothes on the way to go out ,,and i was thinking to myseflf i have to say this,, this is for my pupils ,,its out of class information
i do it only because i despeize liar priest so much,,
remember when liar priest come to you every tuesday and say he take 100mg trenolona one every 4 days,, or some infantil statment such as this,,
you fellas need to understand the severity of the lie you are being fed,,
and i want someone here to attach it to bible saying whenever you quote me on other boards,,when you throw stuff i say at other boards on their boards,,
WHEN LIAR PRIEST SAY HE TOOK 100MG EVERY 4 DAY OF TRENBOLONA ,,OR 5 DAY OR WHAYTEVER OTHE LIE HE SPIT,,HE RISK YOURSELF SO MUCH BY DEVELOPING TITTIES! ,,IM STANDING HERE DRESSING UP ANDI NEED TO LAUGH BUT I DONT,,BECAUSE LIAR PRIEST DOES NOT TELL YOU THAT WHEN YOU TAKE SUCH A STRONG MUTATING DRUG A TRENBOLONA ,,THE PROGESTERONA AND ESTROGENA ASPECTS ARE GOING NUTS IN YOUR BODY IF YOU DONT DO IT ON VERY VERY TIGHT SCHEDULE,,MEANINNNNNNNG YOU NEED IT IN THE BLOOD CONSTANT EVERY DAY OR 2 ,,NO 4 NO 5 NO NOTHING,,A DAY OR 2 CONSTANT DOSES ,,SIMILAR DOSES,,IF YOU DO NOT FOLLOW IT ,,YOU WILL START FEELING SOMETHING COMING UP UNDER THE NIPPLE ,,HARD THAT HURT TO THE TOUCH ,, THIS SOMEHIN IS CALL A DEVELOPMENT OF GYNO,,ITS NTO FULLY GYNO ITS JUST HORMONAL IMBALANCE,,SO LIAR PRIEST IS FUCKING RISKING!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1000S OF INNOCENT BODYBUILDER WHO STARTED HORMONIZING THEMSELF WITH HIS SHIT,,HE DESERVE TO BE OUT OF BODYBUILDING ,,HE SHOULD NEVER SEE STAGE AGAIN ,,
I AM VERY VERY MAD AT THIS DWARF FOR THE LIES HE FEED YOU,,THIS IS JUST SOMETHIG I WAS THIKNING NOW WHEN I DRESS UP,,BUT THE SEVERITY OF THIS DRUG TRENBOLONA IF NOT TAKEN RIGHT ,,IS GREAT! IT WILL CREATE GYNO EVEN ON THE MOST TOUGHEST TITS OF YOU ALL,,IT WILL CREATE THIS HARDEN SURFACE THAT WILL NOT BREAK UNLESS YOU INJECT AGAIN TRENBOLONA SO THE HORMONE ANDROGEN IS BALANCE ITSELF OUT,,AND YES YOU CAN TAKE ANTI ESTROGEN AND AI AND EVEN BROMO ANTI PROLACTIN BUT THOSE ARE NOT NESASERY IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING,,WHICH IS EXACT OPPOSITE OF THE SHIT LIAR PRIEST SAY ,,
THAT FELLA NEED TO BE NEVER LET EVEN MARKET SUPPLEMENT IN THE LEGAL VENUE,,HE IS LETHAL
now let me go eat my meal
gh15 approved
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i was wearing here clothes on the way to go out ,,and i was thinking to myseflf i have to say this,, this is for my pupils ,,its out of class information
i do it only because i despeize liar priest so much,,
remember when liar priest come to you every tuesday and say he take 100mg trenolona one every 4 days,, or some infantil statment such as this,,
you fellas need to understand the severity of the lie you are being fed,,
and i want someone here to attach it to bible saying whenever you quote me on other boards,,when you throw stuff i say at other boards on their boards,,
WHEN LIAR PRIEST SAY HE TOOK 100MG EVERY 4 DAY OF TRENBOLONA ,,OR 5 DAY OR WHAYTEVER OTHE LIE HE SPIT,,HE RISK YOURSELF SO MUCH BY DEVELOPING TITTIES! ,,IM STANDING HERE DRESSING UP ANDI NEED TO LAUGH BUT I DONT,,BECAUSE LIAR PRIEST DOES NOT TELL YOU THAT WHEN YOU TAKE SUCH A STRONG MUTATING DRUG A TRENBOLONA ,,THE PROGESTERONA AND ESTROGENA ASPECTS ARE GOING NUTS IN YOUR BODY IF YOU DONT DO IT ON VERY VERY TIGHT SCHEDULE,,MEANINNNNNNNG YOU NEED IT IN THE BLOOD CONSTANT EVERY DAY OR 2 ,,NO 4 NO 5 NO NOTHING,,A DAY OR 2 CONSTANT DOSES ,,SIMILAR DOSES,,IF YOU DO NOT FOLLOW IT ,,YOU WILL START FEELING SOMETHING COMING UP UNDER THE NIPPLE ,,HARD THAT HURT TO THE TOUCH ,, THIS SOMEHIN IS CALL A DEVELOPMENT OF GYNO,,ITS NTO FULLY GYNO ITS JUST HORMONAL IMBALANCE,,SO LIAR PRIEST IS FUCKING RISKING!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1000S OF INNOCENT BODYBUILDER WHO STARTED HORMONIZING THEMSELF WITH HIS SHIT,,HE DESERVE TO BE OUT OF BODYBUILDING ,,HE SHOULD NEVER SEE STAGE AGAIN ,,
I AM VERY VERY MAD AT THIS DWARF FOR THE LIES HE FEED YOU,,THIS IS JUST SOMETHIG I WAS THIKNING NOW WHEN I DRESS UP,,BUT THE SEVERITY OF THIS DRUG TRENBOLONA IF NOT TAKEN RIGHT ,,IS GREAT! IT WILL CREATE GYNO EVEN ON THE MOST TOUGHEST TITS OF YOU ALL,,IT WILL CREATE THIS HARDEN SURFACE THAT WILL NOT BREAK UNLESS YOU INJECT AGAIN TRENBOLONA SO THE HORMONE ANDROGEN IS BALANCE ITSELF OUT,,AND YES YOU CAN TAKE ANTI ESTROGEN AND AI AND EVEN BROMO ANTI PROLACTIN BUT THOSE ARE NOT NESASERY IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING,,WHICH IS EXACT OPPOSITE OF THE SHIT LIAR PRIEST SAY ,,
THAT FELLA NEED TO BE NEVER LET EVEN MARKET SUPPLEMENT IN THE LEGAL VENUE,,HE IS LETHAL
now let me go eat my meal
gh15 approved
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way to prove your point, posting a pic of the guy in his teens ::)
My point, moron, was that by 93... the guy was an oil bag.
Like I said -
This is what his arms looked like in 92, pre oil.
By 93 his bi’s were oil bags; bulging balloons with a completely different shape and visible abscess in the right bi.
The pic I posted was from 92... by his next show, in 93, the guy was an oil bag that added 5+ (abnormally shaped) inches to his arms.. and they looked like balloons with visible abscess, lumps and bumps.
As demonstrated in the vids posted.. I guess you didn't watch them?
Let me illustrate my point -
(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/6010/preoil.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9899/96830604.jpg)
(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2563/923f.jpg) (http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/5930/933u.jpg)
(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5509/922r.jpg) (http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/9091/932oi.jpg)
The pics on the left are from 92... the pics on the right are from 93.
Get the picture?
By 93 his bi’s, tri’s and shoulders were full of a shit load of oil (especially the bi's).
And after 93?
Like I said -
After 93 he never looked back.
O I L B A G . . . just like the rest. They use that shit in ALL muscle groups.
Or.. Uh.. maybe you’re right. The guy magically added 5+ inches to his arms in between contests over a time span several months between 92 and 93 all due to his stellar genetics.
why is it that difficult to admit that some of these dudes actually are genectically gifted?
::)
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8 months after his kidney transplant.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs193.snc1/6496_1180580828265_1040497189_574123_190613_n.jpg)
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8 months after his kidney transplant.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs193.snc1/6496_1180580828265_1040497189_574123_190613_n.jpg)
and 7 months and 29 days after going back on the gear
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8 months after his kidney transplant.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs193.snc1/6496_1180580828265_1040497189_574123_190613_n.jpg)
:P
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8 months after his kidney transplant.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs193.snc1/6496_1180580828265_1040497189_574123_190613_n.jpg)
all bosu training
(https://www.physique.co.uk/large_catalogue_images/bosu.jpg)
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My point, moron, was that by 93... the guy was an oil bag.
Like I said -
The pic I posted was from 92... by his next show, in 93, the guy was an oil bag that added 5+ (abnormally shaped) inches to his arms.. and they looked like balloons with visible abscess, lumps and bumps.
As demonstrated in the vids posted.. I guess you didn't watch them?
Let me illustrate my point -
(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/6010/preoil.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9899/96830604.jpg)
(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2563/923f.jpg) (http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/5930/933u.jpg)
(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5509/922r.jpg) (http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/9091/932oi.jpg)
The pics on the left are from 92... the pics on the right are from 93.
Get the picture?
By 93 his bi’s, tri’s and shoulders were full of a shit load of oil (especially the bi's).
And after 93?
Like I said -
Or.. Uh.. maybe you’re right. The guy magically added 5+ inches to his arms in between contests over a time span several months between 92 and 93 all due to his stellar genetics.
::)
Those pics show it...he was an oil bag.
bam bam don't be so naive.
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spot injections yes, but NOT synthol.
Marko said that he injected his anabolics in his bis and tris (3cc each) 30 minutes proir training.
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I've always liked this guy but his jawline is, well... :-\
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I actually appreciate shawn ray for the fact he had guts to shrink to a shit looking skinny fat, a shadow of his prime...you truly ned some cojones to go and interview current pros looking like an ordinary fat fella picked up from the street...i couldnt do that...i'm pretty damn sure i'm going to be "on" for the rest of my life...the more i have money the more i will be using...props for shawnie, "the uncrowned 94&97 mr olympia"!!!
I DONT GET THAT...HES STILL YOUNGE AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT JUST TAKING A COUPLE ccs of test and a cc or 2 of deca every ten days and actually lift heavy weights , and eat like a lifter he could be built awesume foir a long long time and be perfectly healthy...lets not lose sight of that simple fact..
i mean why ever quit i dont get that
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spot injections yes, but NOT synthol.
Some of you guys are a lost cause.
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I DONT GET THAT...HES STILL YOUNGE AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT JUST TAKING A COUPLE ccs of test and a cc or 2 of deca every ten days and actually lift heavy weights , and eat like a lifter he could be built awesume foir a long long time and be perfectly healthy...lets not lose sight of that simple fact..
i mean why ever quit i dont get that
...for kids... ???...guess it's his personal choice, i would never do that...i'm an addict, can admit that...anonymously at least..;)
but still i appreciate how shawnie was able to take bb'ing as a "sport"...and after done with it continue his life normally...unlike ronnie, richie g, cziurlok who are all still juiced to the gills...unlike fellas like marko, silvio and kris dim who had health problems and went back to juice immediately when healed...but on the other hand, i appreciate everything shawn does...da mass with class, size and shape, human perfection...well maybe a bit short but other than that... ;D
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i dont knwo how blind can you be but this fella is after post surgery on china generic gh,,this physiqe is china legit generic gh with anabolic steroids mix,,infact hsi excuse to everyone is that the doctir put him on hgh and testosterona and doctor want him to be on it for the kidny problem so he heal better,,
this is in and out icu for few years,,then shrink ,,then pre mature death ,,many like that around,,
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I DONT GET THAT...HES STILL YOUNGE AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT JUST TAKING A COUPLE ccs of test and a cc or 2 of deca every ten days and actually lift heavy weights , and eat like a lifter he could be built awesume foir a long long time and be perfectly healthy...lets not lose sight of that simple fact..
i mean why ever quit i dont get that
i totaly get it, he wont train and doesnt know how to train unless he's on,,, he more or less told us that a few yrs back in a semina
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why woudl anynone train if nto on gh and steroid?
to be walkign stiff 180 10%? or walking bloofy 210 15%-20%,,why ,,no need,,,maybe if younger than 30 you can do somehting if no gh and only steroid ,,,but over 30 have ot have gh and steroid together to advance otherwize bye bye bodybuildg
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have you fellas ever tried to put oil into muscle ,,deep into it,,the ones who realy like injection ,,and there are many bodybuilder who wait forward for injection ,,they addictd to it ,,they like it more than to train ,,they wil stop at nothing,,they like injecting into the bicep,,deeeep ,,they are pro at that,,they know where how what,,they tried it many years,,they are their own doctors,,they take oilllllllllllllllllll put it into syrange,,and through needle deep into muscle ,,if you tried it you would know the muscle will grow from within ,,it will baloon ,,and if done properly it will baloon right ,,propely mean at the right spot when you have LOW BODY FAT AND SEE SEPERATION ,,thats why all the liars do,,alllllll the ones with what you consider huge arms,,you dont get it,,its the leannnnnnn look from high dosing hgh that mistakly make you think their msucle is real ,,,the muscle is syntetic result of hgh and due to them beiing lean enough they can pull the oil from within the muscle to add few more inches,,,
this is how it is...because i'm tellin you right here and now the core most important secrets..."
gh15 approved
I don't think many people are reading closely enough. This is a subject that is rarely talked about. Yes, Synthol has been discussed over and over, but nobody ever discusses the fact that either Synthol, Test or whatever oil can be injected DEEPLY into the tissue. A lot of guys are too scared to even think about it. A doctor may even be paid to do it correctly. The syringe goes so deep into the muscle that you have to bypass arteries and tendons, ligaments, etc. Only a prp would know...a pro doctor or a taught (or stupidly brave and lucky) pro BB.
Not only do they have to inject extremely deep into the core of the muscle, they also have to use a horse-gauge sized needle. Most guys would only consider a needle this size for drawing from a bottle. This is an extremely dangerous practice and we have all heard about the "Pros" that have fucked up by not doing it correctly. An embolism can immediately flow to the heart if an artery is accidently stabbed.
It's amazing that more wanna be "bodybuilders" haven't heard of this practice. It is NOT the same as "site injection"... It's not like Greg Valvolino where everything is obviously pointy and lumpy on the outside. The oil goes so deep that it pushes the muscle outward from the inside so that the striations and definition are not disrupted. It is an extremely dangerous practice and only the brave and diligent can actually pull it off.
How many guys would actually dare to stick an 18 gauge needle 2 or 3 inches (or more) into their body and not worry that they might kill themselves?
Take a look at this pic. How many of these arrows do you think are accurately placed for deep tissue site injections?
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/jaysiteinj-1.jpg)
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I'm sorry God, but I must humbly disagree with your statement regarding not training naturally after 30. I'm 36, and just last year my waist measured 38.5 inches @ 175 and my bodyfat was probably near 20%, now I weigh 170 @ 12% and my waist is 32 inches, and I am a lifetime natural trainer. My goal is to shoot for you natural limit 5'11" 165 sub-6 FYI, my all-time best condition was 10 years ago when I was 154 @ sub-6 BTW, you yourself saw that photo, and you yourself claimed that I was sitting at sub-6
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...for kids... ???...guess it's his personal choice, i would never do that...i'm an addict, can admit that...anonymously at least..;)
but still i appreciate how shawnie was able to take bb'ing as a "sport"...and after done with it continue his life normally...unlike ronnie, richie g, cziurlok who are all still juiced to the gills...unlike fellas like marko, silvio and kris dim who had health problems and went back to juice immediately when healed...but on the other hand, i appreciate everything shawn does...da mass with class, size and shape, human perfection...well maybe a bit short but other than that... ;D
Hi Shawn's gimmick. ;D
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I don't think many people are reading closely enough. This is a subject that is rarely talked about. Yes, Synthol has been discussed over and over, but nobody ever discusses the fact that either Synthol, Test or whatever oil can be injected DEEPLY into the tissue. A lot of guys are too scared to even think about it. A doctor may even be paid to do it correctly. The syringe goes so deep into the muscle that you have to bypass arteries and tendons, ligaments, etc. Only a prp would know...a pro doctor or a taught (or stupidly brave and lucky) pro BB.
Not only do they have to inject extremely deep into the core of the muscle, they also have to use a horse-gauge sized needle. Most guys would only consider a needle this size for drawing from a bottle. This is an extremely dangerous practice and we have all heard about the "Pros" that have fucked up by not doing it correctly. An embolism can immediately flow to the heart if an artery is accidently stabbed.
It's amazing that more wanna be "bodybuilders" haven't heard of this practice. It is NOT the same as "site injection"... It's not like Greg Valvolino where everything is obviously pointy and lumpy on the outside. The oil goes so deep that it pushes the muscle outward from the inside so that the striations and definition are not disrupted. It is an extremely dangerous practice and only the brave and diligent can actually pull it off.
How many guys would actually dare to stick an 18 gauge needle 2 or 3 inches (or more) into their body and not worry that they might kill themselves?
Take a look at this pic. How many of these arrows do you think are accurately placed for deep tissue site injections?
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/jaysiteinj-1.jpg)
Damn....that pic shows the freak abomination show bodybuilding has become. :-\
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gotta find a pic of Zane for comparison...
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yes ,,heath is a 18/5-19 inch arm fella,,its the insulin gh and seo that got him anythign bigger,,heath is actually a 200lb bodybuild that try to be mr o,,he is really the mostr fragile fella on o stage ,,almost all of him is syntetic muscle ,,very little foundation,,if you look at tors and take arms off with computer program you fella shave ,,you will see he resemble the width and torse of female fitness girls,,ofcourse somewhat thicker since he is male,,but width of a woman and size fo many woman,,
im sorry if he read it but this is the truth
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Of course its the truth. Its easy to tell Heath is fragile and fake just by looking at him. Probably only does curls with 45lb dumbells lol even with huge "arms" like that.
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gotta find a pic of Zane for comparison...
Look in the Summer Olympics Freestyle or Backstroke
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way to prove your point, posting a pic of the guy in his teens ::)
look here, his back got freakynglish bigger too since that time, was he injecting synthol in his lats too?? ::)
(http://www.iform.no/images/artikkel/profiler_andre/marko6.jpg)
why is it that difficult to admit that some of these dudes actually are genectically gifted? (hormone abusers too, but gemectically gifted mofos nonetheless)
According to getbig, EVERYONE is either at or bellow average, and guess what einstein, this is mathematically impossible, lol
Guys arms look real to me. Seems around here if you have better arms than Flex, Levrone, Coleman or any of the top guys these days everyone calls sythol right away lol. I guess great biceps are impossible without it! ::)
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Of course its the truth. Its easy to tell Heath is fragile and fake just by looking at him. Probably only does curls with 45lb dumbells lol even with huge "arms" like that.
He said he doesn't train arms at all. Hany told him not to! Because his arms get too big! ::)
I guess he just injects them on a daily basis, no need to train at all. Might get too big.
All synthetic.
Guys arms look real to me. Seems around here if you have better arms than Flex, Levrone, Coleman or any of the top guys these days everyone calls sythol right away lol. I guess great biceps are impossible without it! ::)
:o
You're just playing stupid right?
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Guys arms look real to me. Seems around here if you have better arms than Flex, Levrone, Coleman or any of the top guys these days everyone calls sythol right away lol. I guess great biceps are impossible without it! ::)
Well, not everyone is a "genetic marvel" like you.. ::)
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Well, not everyone is a "genetic marvel" like you.. ::)
I spoke too soon. I just looked at those close up pics and I guess you guys are right, theres def something going on there my bad.
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I spoke too soon. I just looked at those close up pics and I guess you guys are right, theres def something going on there my bad.
People shouldn't even have to look so close.
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I met a few guys who hung around the scene for a long ass time and they told me all the about the progression of the oil era. It really is an art. You see guys like Kevin and Heath really up the doses and the oils around contest time. It's no problem for them though, they do it properly and it looks really good. They've got some of the best arms of all time and are a couple of my favorite lifters. They tolerate the drugs very well and respond to them equally well. All people focus on is the fuck ups with oil bags for bodyparts. If your oil use is distinguishable or even marginally questionable, you're doing it wrong and need to massage the muscle, let the oil dissipate and allow the inflammation to come down and blend in again. All our favorite pros from the last decade use oil or at least practice site injecting. If you're gonna put fuckloads of oil in your muscle, might as well do so proportionately and use it as another tool.
I always thought Heath was pretty synthetic though, but very genetically blessed as well. I'm a fan of his. It sucks that he's narrow but he's taking his God given genetics and pushed it to the max due to his amazing response to drugs. He also rolls with guys like Jay who are deep in the game and steering him in the right directions. You have to admit, he's played ABSOLUTELY EVERY CARD PERFECTLY!!! But I've always wondered what'd happen when he gets sick. I mean, really sick. Rejecting the drugs, crashed CNS and SNS, liver and kidneys failing to hold up, etc... poor fella would probably loose a lot of muscle and I'm sure he knows it. He's on mad GH and insulin which even a fag at bodybuilding.com can eyeball (the transformation was stupidly amazing), and I'm thinking he probably has more of a solid base with those drugs in the mix. But I'm sure he'd probably lose a lot of muscle because his foundation is primarily drugs. I sincerely hope he doesn't get sick though because I wouldn't want to see this.
Phil does seem pretty maxed out though. It will be years before he gets the density that guys like the Blade have. For a bloofy guy, I think Phil has an amazing physique with muscles that really pop out and look cartoonish. Again, the guy is fucking blessed. He works hard, responds well to the drugs and keeps doing everything correctly. I'd like to see him get more striated and keep doing all he can to create the illusion of having more width. I'm not a pro by any stretch but even a gym rat like myself has a pretty wide ass back all things considered. Not saying I'm better than Phil in the least, but for my structure and proportion it feels pretty good to be wide as shit, especially when viewed from the back. Having width from the back is something that'll garner admiration from all the juice heads in the gym, and for Mr. O competitors you get to take home Sandows.
Only thing I want to correct gh15 on though is he called bodybuilding a sport earlier. Everything else, I bow to him. ;D
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I met a few guys who hung around the scene for a long ass time and they told me all the about the progression of the oil era. It really is an art. You see guys like Kevin and Heath really up the doses and the oils around contest time. It's no problem for them though, they do it properly and it looks really good. They've got some of the best arms of all time and are a couple of my favorite lifters. They tolerate the drugs very well and respond to them equally well. All people focus on is the fuck ups with oil bags for bodyparts. If your oil use is distinguishable or even marginally questionable, you're doing it wrong and need to massage the muscle, let the oil dissipate and allow the inflammation to come down and blend in again. All our favorite pros from the last decade use oil or at least practice site injecting. If you're gonna put fuckloads of oil in your muscle, might as well do so proportionately and use it as another tool.
I always thought Heath was pretty synthetic though, but very genetically blessed as well. I'm a fan of his. It sucks that he's narrow but he's taking his God given genetics and pushed it to the max due to his amazing response to drugs. He also rolls with guys like Jay who are deep in the game and steering him in the right directions. You have to admit, he's played ABSOLUTELY EVERY CARD PERFECTLY!!! But I've always wondered what'd happen when he gets sick. I mean, really sick. Rejecting the drugs, crashed CNS and SNS, liver and kidneys failing to hold up, etc... poor fella would probably loose a lot of muscle and I'm sure he knows it. He's on mad GH and insulin which even a fag at bodybuilding.com can eyeball (the transformation was stupidly amazing), and I'm thinking he probably has more of a solid base with those drugs in the mix. But I'm sure he'd probably lose a lot of muscle because his foundation is primarily drugs. I sincerely hope he doesn't get sick though because I wouldn't want to see this.
Phil does seem pretty maxed out though. It will be years before he gets the density that guys like the Blade have. For a bloofy guy, I think Phil has an amazing physique with muscles that really pop out and look cartoonish. Again, the guy is fucking blessed. He works hard, responds well to the drugs and keeps doing everything correctly. I'd like to see him get more striated and keep doing all he can to create the illusion of having more width. I'm not a pro by any stretch but even a gym rat like myself has a pretty wide ass back all things considered. Not saying I'm better than Phil in the least, but for my structure and proportion it feels pretty good to be wide as shit, especially when viewed from the back. Having width from the back is something that'll garner admiration from all the juice heads in the gym, and for Mr. O competitors you get to take home Sandows.
Only thing I want to correct gh15 on though is he called bodybuilding a sport earlier. Everything else, I bow to him. ;D
Well, it would be true, but Heath's arms are big even in the offseason during guess posings (as evident with these pics). Kev did escilene
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_OwjlM7QTyok/SnapmT65H1I/AAAAAAAALSI/XKdR217jI34/phil-heath-02.jpg)
(http://orecordar.com/out.php/i518_2a8fd4x.jpg)
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i was wearing here clothes on the way to go out ,,
the only place to go out at 3.30am is mcdonalds 24hour, lol!
quick, someone find out if dennis james, nasser, gunter blah blah, is currently out of america... gh15 mystrey solved to who ever which one is currently out of the US, lol ;D
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the only place to go out at 3.30am is mcdonalds 24hour, lol!
quick, someone find out if dennis james, nasser, gunter blah blah, is currently out of america... gh15 mystrey solved to who ever which one is currently out of the US, lol ;D
I just crushed 3 bacon egg n cheese biscuits from mcdiesels and a few hash browns.....bout to smoke and go bang out shoulders..
east coasts its 10.42 brah
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People shouldn't even have to look so close.
The first few pics posted he looked pretty legit, then the last few made it easier to tell because of the muscle looking flexed at all times. The easiest way to find out is to put their asses in front of a bar and see how much they can curl. If they are real they should be able to put up a decent weight obviously.
When a guy like Heath struggles with 50lb dumbbell curls, pretty sure theres more oil than density there.
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look at the improvenents the IFBB Pro Savolainen made within one year
1992
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1993
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if legit, its the craziest biceps development i ve ever seen
you be the judge
unbeliveable growth of his jaw also
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OMG - only one person had the matching triceps
You should remember few things before you will judge he as an synthol freak. First of all, he is Finnish. Finland is that little dot between Russia and Sweden, and it has been and it still is a backwoods of bodybuilding. This simply means that at the time when Marko reach his peak, there was just a few guys in whole world using synthol in bodybuilding, so how he get the information and the gear? Literally poor Finnish guy without any sponsors? What was state of the Internet at that time? There was plenty of drug dealers and bodybuilding sites in the net, and you get anything you want from the web shop? That doesn't ad up with the timeline of the Internet, but facts are for geeks and losers.
Secondly, as far as I know, synthol doesn't make you stronger, so how come this synthol freak is known for his strength and his extra heavy duty training method. For example, is it common to synthol freaks to start their bench press from the 500lb, and do the drop set, taking off 40lb for every drop, down to the point where you can't lift even empty barbell and you have accomplish 60 to 75 reps? You can't find his training videos from the YouTube, because there was no digicams and digivideos at the time, and that is great pity. Instead of that, if you are curious enough, you will find clips where he is teaching training with The Hardcore team. Hardcore team is bunch of amateurs who want to build some muscles, and Marko is their mentor. With those clips you can learn how Marko has been training trough his life.
Finally, I have been spotting his sets, I have been counting his reps and I know the guy. As far as I know, he use a lot of any kind of help to get to the top, but synthol was not one of the bunch. He used all kind of gear, speed, ephedrine etc. to keep himself going, and finally he paid for it by losing his kidneys. He is great, honest and straight guy and if he had lived in the USA instead of the backwoods of Finland, he would have been one of the best ever.
In that clip he was training for his comeback just before his kidneys start to squeal. Here he isn't using so much weight than he used to, but enough to impress most of the people. This is teaser from his training DVD.
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You should remember few things before you will judge he as an synthol freak.
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i knwo the synthol thing going on deep in Niederbayern it the early 90s already
been living in the nowhere of finland of the early 90s proofes nothing
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i knwo the synthol thing going on deep in Niederbayern it the early 90s already
been living in the nowhere of finland of the early 90s proofes nothing
Oil bag - case c l o s e d . . .
The guy is a walking abscess, and has been since he was a kid.