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U.S. Abortion Rate Up Slightly After Years of Decline
Published January 11, 2011
Associated Press
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NEW YORK – The long-term decline in the U.S. abortion rate stalled as the recession took hold, according to the latest comprehensive survey of America's abortion providers.
The Guttmacher Institute, which periodically surveys U.S. abortion providers, reported Tuesday that there were 1.21 million abortions in 2008 and a rate of 19.6 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15-44.
Both figures were up slightly from the previous 2005 survey, ending a steady decline since 1990, when U.S. abortions peaked at 1.6 million and the abortion rate was 27.4.
One possible factor was the recession that hit in 2008, altering the financial prospects for many families.
"Abortion numbers go down when the economy is good and go up when the economy is bad, so the stalling may be a function of a weaker economy," said University of Alabama political science professor Michael New. "If the economy does better, you'll see numbers trending down again."
The Guttmacher Institute supports abortion rights, but its surveys are widely considered to be the most comprehensive available because federal agencies rely on incomplete data from state governments.
Sharon Camp, the institute's president, said the stalled numbers should serve as an "urgent message" to policymakers that access to contraceptive services should be increased to prevent unintended pregnancy.
Many anti-abortion activists have opposed this approach, saying abortion rates can best be lowered through abstinence-only sex education and tougher state-level restrictions on abortion.
Many states have expanded restrictions in recent years, and others will be considering such steps in the aftermath of conservative gains in legislatures in the Nov. 2 elections. For example, lawmakers in several states would like to emulate Nebraska in outlawing abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy based on the premise that fetuses can feel pain after that point.
"We know that it makes a difference what the law says in any particular state," said Charmaine Yoest, president of Americans United for Life. "You can see dramatic decreases in abortion."
Elizabeth Nash, a Guttmacher public policy associate, said the restrictive state laws tend to have little impact on affluent and middle-class women.
"What they end up doing is targeting the most vulnerable women -- the ones without resources to go other places," she said.
The new Guttmacher report documented sharp variations by state -- with abortion rates over 30 per 1,000 in Delaware, New York and New Jersey and at or below 6 per 1,000 in Wyoming, Mississippi, Kentucky, South Dakota and Idaho.
The report also documented a significant increase in early medication abortion, entailing use of the so-called abortion pill. The number of such procedures performed in clinics -- which provide 94 percent of all abortions -- rose from 161,000 to 199,000 between 2005 and 2008, accounting for about 17 percent of abortions.
Initially known as RU-486, the pill was approved for use in the U.S. in September 2000. Affording women more privacy than a surgical abortion, the pill marketed as Mifeprex now accounts for about one-quarter of U.S. abortions performed in the first nine weeks of pregnancy.
"U.S. government reports have shown that abortions are increasingly occurring earlier in pregnancy, when the procedure is safest," said Rachel Jones, lead author of the Guttmacher study. "Increased access to medication abortion is helping to accelerate that trend."
According to the new study, the number of abortion providers changed little -- from 1,787 to 1,793 -- between 2005 and 2008. As was the case before, 87 percent of U.S. counties -- home to 35 percent of women of reproductive age -- had no abortion provider.
The new report did not provide demographic details on the ages, ethnicity and socio-economic status of women obtaining abortions, but Sharon Camp said it was clear that African-American and Hispanic women continued to account for a disproportionate share of abortions because they had relatively high rates of unintended pregnancies.
She remarked that abortion, since it was legalized nationwide in 1973, has become one of the most common surgical procedures.
"Yet after all these years," she said, "it remains maybe the most highly sensitive issue in our country on the personal and political level."
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/01/10/abortion-rate-stalls-years-decline/?test=latestnews
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Move it to decline of America thread!!!
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Obama: "I don't want them [his daughters] punished with a baby."
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Thank goodness... Too many idiots on earth as is.
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Thank goodness... Too many idiots on earth as is.
you ever wonder why when discussing abortion people think that this is a completely acceptable statement?
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you ever wonder why when discussing abortion people think that this is a completely acceptable statement?
Nope... It works for me.
Either you think all life is sacred, or you think none is... I'm not hypocritical about it.
Most pro-lifers are ok with the death penalty and wars, and are gun people.
I think that's very odd... I'm just honest in that I don't think that one life is more important than the other.
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Nope... It works for me.
Either you think all life is sacred, or you think none is... I'm not hypocritical about it.
Most pro-lifers are ok with the death penalty and wars, and are gun people.
I think that's very odd... I'm just honest in that I don't think that one life is more important than the other.
LOL you ever wonder about the differences there?
Thank goodness... Too many idiots on earth as is.
do you feel the same way about the deaths in arizona?
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LOL you ever wonder about the differences there?
do you feel the same way about the deaths in arizona?
Nope... I think that if they are alive and living, then taking their liberty to live is wrong.
I simply see a fetus as not alive until they form some higher brain functions... I'm not a fan of the late term abortions at all.
I just think that if you get an abortion in the first tri-mester, that you're not taking a life.
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Nope... It works for me.
Either you think all life is sacred, or you think none is... I'm not hypocritical about it.
Most pro-lifers are ok with the death penalty and wars, and are gun people.
I think that's very odd... I'm just honest in that I don't think that one life is more important than the other.
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yeah OK. you're obviously full of shit. you would never use that type of statement in a thread about the victims of 9/11 or the victims in Tuscon. if you would or did i might actually believe you. but please don't backpedal and hold yourself out as "principled" when in fact you're just being an asshole.
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Nope... I think that if they are alive and living, then taking their liberty to live is wrong.
I simply see a fetus as not alive until they form some higher brain functions... I'm not a fan of the late term abortions at all.
I just think that if you get an abortion in the first tri-mester, that you're not taking a life.
backpedaling again. you just said that you think no life is sacred. now you're recanting.
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Nope... I think that if they are alive and living, then taking their liberty to live is wrong.
I simply see a fetus as not alive until they form some higher brain functions... I'm not a fan of the late term abortions at all.
I just think that if you get an abortion in the first tri-mester, that you're not taking a life.
so its brain function that distinguishes alive and dead for you?
what of those that are extremely mentally disabled?
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so its brain function that distinguishes alive and dead for you?
what of those that are extremely mentally disabled?
why bother even ask? you know he thinks they are beneath him and all should have been aborted.
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so its brain function that distinguishes alive and dead for you?
what of those that are extremely mentally disabled?
Are they vegetables? If not, then they're cool.
backpedaling again. you just said that you think no life is sacred. now you're recanting.
I'm not recanting... perhaps "sacred" in your term is different than mine.
I mean that no life is more special than the other... Is that more clear?
Sacred and "more special".
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why bother even ask? you know he thinks they are beneath him and all should have been aborted.
Haha... You truly think that your simply pigeon holes can describe what I think or feel?
Sounds very simple minded.
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As mentioned in the article, I would also guess that the ressession is a major factor. Not to excuse anything. Just saying...
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As mentioned in the article, I would also guess that the ressession is a major factor. Not to excuse anything. Just saying...
People can't afford kids man... It's always been part of it.
So since we have some extra data, in about 20 years we can use it to help determine if crime went down even more after some criminals were not born that would have otherwise been so.
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Are they vegetables? If not, then they're cool.
are fetus's vegtables?
some mentally disabled cant take car of themselves same for elderly...does that mean youre ok with killing them?
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are fetus's vegtables?
some mentally disabled cant take car of themselves same for elderly...does that mean youre ok with killing them?
1. Depends on how far along they are.
2. There's a difference between unable to take care of yourself and "vegetable".
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Trimesters, brain activity, viability, etc were all poorly included in Roe v. Wade. Medical advancements have pushed the viablility determination way earlier and they can detect brain activity at far earlier stages. Wouldn't surprise me if medicine go to the point where they could detect the activity of a single brain cell in a fetus (maybe they already can).
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Trimesters, brain activity, viability, etc were all poorly included in Roe v. Wade. Medical advancements have pushed the viablility determination way earlier and they can detect brain activity at far earlier stages. Wouldn't surprise me if medicine go to the point where they could detect the activity of a single brain cell in a fetus (maybe they already can).
Well, I think that we are pretty far along right now. If they can make the determination of when some of those brain functions occur, then I think you would have a pretty good ground to have abortion limits, but no one has show that yet.
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Well, I think that we are pretty far along right now. If they can make the determination of when some of those brain functions occur, then I think you would have a pretty good ground to have abortion limits, but no one has show that yet.
I'd disagree. It suggests that the fetus may have rights that trumps the mothers.
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1. Depends on how far along they are.
2. There's a difference between unable to take care of yourself and "vegetable".
please explain the difference as you see it
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People can't afford kids man... It's always been part of it.
So since we have some extra data, in about 20 years we can use it to help determine if crime went down even more after some criminals were not born that would have otherwise been so.
Go fuck yourself, that's the most retarded shit I've read yet.
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As mentioned in the article, I would also guess that the ressession is a major factor. Not to excuse anything. Just saying...
I agree with that, if im not mistaken the birth rate has also gone up since the recession started as well.
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Nope... It works for me.
Either you think all life is sacred, or you think none is... I'm not hypocritical about it.
Most pro-lifers are ok with the death penalty and wars, and are gun people.
I think that's very odd... I'm just honest in that I don't think that one life is more important than the other.
Don't buy this at all. To compare an innocent life to someone who has commited a heinous crime is beyond moronic. The war thing is debatable, but not the death penalty. That life earned it's sentence... BIG difference.
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BB, why did you recently block me from sending PM's? I thought we had made some progress toward normal mod relations again? Yet I see in that last few days that you've blocked me which can only relate to what I've been saying on the board. Is this over me posting the "even jesus hates you" pic? I was just fucking with you after you clearly tried to relate CTrs here with this nutcase jared loughner. I guess that hurt your feelers pretty bad huh...
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Go fuck yourself, that's the most retarded shit I've read yet.
If you say so... I'm not the only person who has wondered if there is some sort of connection.
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Don't buy this at all. To compare an innocent life to someone who has commited a heinous crime is beyond moronic. The war thing is debatable, but not the death penalty. That life earned it's sentence... BIG difference.
If you say so man... You're putting a value on life just by saying that though.
I'm saying that the value of those lives are the same.
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If you say so... I'm not the only person who has wondered if there is some sort of connection.
I say so... now fuck off....
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I say so... now fuck off....
So I shouldn't post on this board anymore? Ok.
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So I shouldn't post on this board anymore? Ok.
no, I'm not speaking as I mod when I post. Take me as any other person posting. When I post as mod, I'll make it clear. My "fuck off now" is the same as any other bloke would post. I'm not ordering you off the board, I'm just talking as a regular on the board. No mod directive intended..
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so what is your definition of a vegetable holmes?
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BB, why did you recently block me from sending PM's? I thought we had made some progress toward normal mod relations again? Yet I see in that last few days that you've blocked me which can only relate to what I've been saying on the board. Is this over me posting the "even jesus hates you" pic? I was just fucking with you after you clearly tried to relate CTrs here with this nutcase jared loughner. I guess that hurt your feelers pretty bad huh...
Nice try Hugo. I sent you a courtesy PM in October and explained why I deleted some posts in a thread, including one of yours. In response, you acted like a little kid and threatened to start "having fun" with my posts on the board. When I tried to respond, you had blocked my PMs. That is about the third time you have done that to me (sent a PM with some foolishness and then blocked any response). You've done the same thing to Ozmo.
So, I decided that you will not do that again. I blocked your PMs in October so I don't have to deal with your childish nonsense. At least by PMs. :)
And please keep in mind this is not a job. It's only the internet. I don't have any animosity towards you, or anyone else I don't know. This is not real life.
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its because sex is cheap and fun, but kids are expensive......not a whole lot to figure out here...
benhc
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Nice try Hugo. I sent you a courtesy PM in October and explained why I deleted some posts in a thread, including one of yours. In response, you acted like a little kid and threatened to start "having fun" with my posts on the board. When I tried to respond, you had blocked my PMs. That is about the third time you have done that to me (sent a PM with some foolishness and then blocked any response). You've done the same thing to Ozmo.
So, I decided that you will not do that again. I blocked your PMs in October so I don't have to deal with your childish nonsense. At least by PMs. :)
And please keep in mind this is not a job. It's only the internet. I don't have any animosity towards you, or anyone else I don't know. This is not real life.
what crap is this? I've had no problems with you recently. The last time I blocked you guys was after the episode that I wanted to leave the board as mod and tried to set up a suggestion for a replacement for me. That's the last time I've ever added you or ozmo to my block list. I pm'd you long after that and long since removed both you and ozmo from my block list.
PS. I'm not trying to do anything... I don't know what you're doing...
You have clearly added me in recently. We've talked via pm well after the time we had issues.
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what crap is this? I've had no problems with you recently. The last time I blocked you guys was after the episode that I wanted to leave the board as mod and tried to set up a suggestion for a replacement for me. That's the last time I've ever added you or ozmo to my block list. I pm'd you long after that and long since removed both you and ozmo from my block list.
You have clearly added me in recently. We've talked via pm well after the time we had issues.
Whatever you say Hugo. ::) Because you are still an active member of the board, I will not post the PMs. Here is as far as I'll go: I sent you a PM on 24 Oct. You responded on 24 Oct. I tried to respond, and you had blocked my PMs, like you had done more than once in the past. It's a very juvenile tactic you have used before. I then blocked your PMs on 24 Oct., and we have (obviously) not exchanged any messages since then.
I'm happy to communicate with you on the board, but you won't be pulling that blocking PM crap with me anymore.
Now, can't we all just get along? :)
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Whatever you say Hugo. ::) Because you are still an active member of the board, I will not post the PMs. Here is as far as I'll go: I sent you a PM on 24 Oct. You responded on 24 Oct. I tried to respond, and you had blocked my PMs, like you had done more than once in the past. It's a very juvenile tactic you have used before. I then blocked your PMs on 24 Oct., and we have (obviously) not exchanged any messages since then.
I'm happy to communicate with you on the board, but you won't be pulling that blocking PM crap with me anymore.
Now, can't we all just get along? :)
fuck you, keep me blocked... I've just put you back on my block list.... You're full of shit, we were doing great recently until the last few days. I had long ago taken you off of my block list and I thought we were progressing back to some normal state, but you clearly prove to me now that was a joke.
Let the mod wars begin... ;)
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Oh, by the way and for the record, I have settled things with Ozmo. Just in case all of a sudden I'm also accused of still holding a beef with Ozmo. I have recently in the last few months contacted him on this and my understanding was that things are ok. I thought this was also the case with BB but tonight I learned way different.
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fuck you, keep me blocked... I've just put you back on my block list.... You're full of shit, we were doing great recently until the last few days. I had long ago taken you off of my block list and I thought we were progressing back to some normal state, but you clearly prove to me now that was a joke.
Let the mod wars begin... ;)
lol. You're already blocked dum dum. :) You'll be at war with yourself. I've never had an abnormal state with you. lol . . . . Oh Lord. lol . . . .
This is only the internet Hugo.
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Oh, by the way and for the record, I have settled things with Ozmo. Just in case all of a sudden I'm also accused of still holding a beef with Ozmo. I have recently in the last few months contacted him on this and my understanding was that things are ok. I thought this was also the case with BB but tonight I learned way different.
Great! lol. Dude you take this stuff way too seriously.
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Hey now - lets keep it clean folks. ;D
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BB, you have to be the single biggest douchbag ever... I honestly don't think there is a chance in hell I can ever trust you again.
LOL! Grow up.
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Hey now - lets keep it clean folks. ;D
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I'm blocking you both.
Even though I don't know how and neither one of you ever PM's me. >:(