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335 pass attempts without an INT - nfl record
where do you guys rank him all-time?
I put him top 3 all-time.
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34 td's to 4 int's throwing to rookies and average wr's. Imo, his best year ever (2007 was crazy, but this year is more impressive, because they completely changed their offensive direction and ran the ball a lot.) Infact, BJGE was the first pats rusher since Corey Dillon to go over 1000 yards.
When it's all is said and done, he will the best ever, imo. I feel both Manning and Brady will be 1a - 1b. Manning being 9/10 in the playoffs will hurt him.
The crazy part? He's been sacked 10 more times than Payton Manning, this year.
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335 pass attempts without an INT - nfl record
where do you guys rank him all-time?
I put him top 3 all-time.
baseball has cole hamels aka pert plus, brady is football's version.
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One more title and for me he's number 1 of all time.
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One more title and for me he's number 1 of all time.
Tough to argue against that.
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Tough to argue against that.
I thought next year was the year it was going to happen. Might happen this year.
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He's already one of the best ever, but everyone is chasing Montana. Elway, Favre, Aikman, Manning, and others are in the conversation too.
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He's also a 6th round draft choice and it's amazing that so many teams slept on him on draft day. Wasn't Montana a late round draft chpice? 3rd rounder out of Notre Dame?
Must have been has 5.3 sec 40 yard dash at the combine that these expert pro scouts didn't like ::)
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I'd say he's top 5 if he retired today.. Of the guys i've seen play..
Montana
Brady
Elway
Manning
Marino
Favre
Young
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I'd say he's top 5 if he retired today.. Of the guys i've seen play..
Montana
Brady
Elway
Manning
Marino
Favre
Young
I put Young above Favre.
Where the fuck is Bradshaw....GRRRRRRRRR
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I put Young above Favre.
Where the fuck is Bradshaw....GRRRRRRRRR
I'm not that old ;D
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How many bowls does Brady have?
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How many bowls does Brady have?
Three as well as two superbowl mvp's. Another notable record Brady holds is the best single season for any qb ever. He threw 52 td's to 8 int's in 2007.
Currently, Joe Montana is thought of as the best ever. Brady will likely overtake him when it's all said and done.
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Terry B baby.. Steelers dominated the 70's.. Big Ben will get 4-5 also
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I forgot Aikman. I loved watching that guy play.
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STAUBACH
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No question Brady is one of the greatest of all-time. I just have a hard time claiming one over the other in different eras. Passing numbers are bloated big time since they took out so much of the db's ability to make contact, etc... some of you young whipper-snappers go back and watch Lester Hayes, etc... mugging WR's up and down the field.... much easier to get big passing numbers in todays NFL, even with the bigger/faster defenders. But with winning in the playoffs and SB's being the standard for QB's, there is no denying Brady.
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No question Brady is one of the greatest of all-time. I just have a hard time claiming one over the other in different eras. Passing numbers are bloated big time since they took out so much of the db's ability to make contact, etc... some of you young whipper-snappers go back and watch Lester Hayes, etc... mugging WR's up and down the field.... much easier to get big passing numbers in todays NFL, even with the bigger/faster defenders. But with winning in the playoffs and SB's being the standard for QB's, there is no denying Brady.
i think it was Marino Kelly or Elway that said they would throw for 5000 yards in todays nfl.. i beleive them. 1 the DBs cant breathe on WRS. and the Strategies are all about passing.. Remember running the ball was the norm and a team coming out flinging it all over the place was rare.. now there are about 5 teams that run the ball while the rest do a shit load of passing.. ill tell you how the game changed. 15 years ago you would never see a qb in shotgun empty on the 3 yardline..
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i think it was Marino Kelly or Elway that said they would throw for 5000 yards in todays nfl.. i beleive them. 1 the DBs cant breathe on WRS. and the Strategies are all about passing.. Remember running the ball was the norm and a team coming out flinging it all over the place was rare.. now there are about 5 teams that run the ball while the rest do a shit load of passing.. ill tell you how the game changed. 15 years ago you would never see a qb in shotgun empty on the 3 yardline..
All 100% correct. Throwing for 3000 yds used to be for only the elite QB's and now its basically expected from every starting QB in the NFL. Can you imagine the prima-donna WR's of today playing in the 70's or 80's? haha, they would be crying constantly.
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All 100% correct. Throwing for 3000 yds used to be for only the elite QB's and now its basically expected from every starting QB in the NFL. Can you imagine the prima-donna WR's of today playing in the 70's or 80's? haha, they would be crying constantly.
WOW Exactly right
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WOW Exactly right
I watched a show on Sonny Jurgenson one day.....guy had a little pot-belly but man oh man could he deliver the ball with touch.....with a shitty football that was probably not even balance and who knows how much air in it half the time and he was putting the ball in some incredible spots.....awesome to watch.
Plus he liked to party and chase the women folk pretty hard....
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I watched a show on Sonny Jurgenson one day.....guy had a little pot-belly but man oh man could he deliver the ball with touch.....with a shitty football that was probably not even balance and who knows how much air in it half the time and he was putting the ball in some incredible spots.....awesome to watch.
Plus he liked to party and chase the women folk pretty hard....
Do you remember how they had to pass block back then.. lord
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Do you remember how they had to pass block back then.. lord
Are you talking about before they allowed them to extend their arms? hahaha, oh brother....
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Are you talking about before they allowed them to extend their arms? hahaha, oh brother....
Fists together, elbows out.. WTF..
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johnny unitas belongs on this and any list of QB's
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34 td's to 4 int's throwing to rookies and average wr's. Imo, his best year ever (2007 was crazy, but this year is more impressive, because they completely changed their offensive direction and ran the ball a lot.) Infact, BJGE was the first pats rusher since Corey Dillon to go over 1000 yards.
When it's all is said and done, he will the best ever, imo. I feel both Manning and Brady will be 1a - 1b. Manning being 9/10 in the playoffs will hurt him.
The crazy part? He's been sacked 10 more times than Payton Manning, this year.
Eh, Montana's the best ever. Never lost a Superbowl game. ;)
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Eh, Montana's the best ever. Never lost a Superbowl game. ;)
Montana has never thrown an interception in a superbowl game, either. If Brady's career ended today, Montana was still the better QB. After another few years, who knows?
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:o, either. If Brady's career ended today, Montana was still the better QB. After another few years, who knows?
i didnt know that.. thats amazing
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Eh, Montana's the best ever. Never lost a Superbowl game. ;)
That's why I said "when it's all said and done" I think Brady will be the best ever.
If you compare Brady to Montana (year to year from when they both started), AT THIS POINT, Brady is the better player. Win wise, state wise, title wise. Of course, Montana is better overall, but Brady is still in his prime, and if he keeps going to way he's going, he will likely overtake Montana as the best ever (subjective anyways).
Montana is currently the best ever, imo.
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Brady has done more with less then Montana.
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Brady has done more with less then Montana.
You're joking, right?
Let's play that mediocre receiver angle some more. I can think of a couple dozen teams that would love to have mediocre receivers like Wes Welker. Fact of the matter is that the Patriots do not function well with all-star players. They are a team that works because of the role players. For proof of this, look at the failed Randy Moss experiment. Not one title while he was there. Not even going to get into the terrific defensive teams Brady's had the pleasure of having (something Manning has never had). Or a coach of Bill B's caliber.
He'll be top 3-5 when all is said and done. If Peyton wins one more SB then he passes Brady.
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You're joking, right?
Let's play that mediocre receiver angle some more. I can think of a couple dozen teams that would love to have mediocre receivers like Wes Welker. Fact of the matter is that the Patriots do not function well with all-star players. They are a team that works because of the role players. For proof of this, look at the failed Randy Moss experiment. Not one title while he was there. Not even going to get into the terrific defensive teams Brady's had the pleasure of having (something Manning has never had). Or a coach of Bill B's caliber.
He'll be top 3-5 when all is said and done. If Peyton wins one more SB then he passes Brady.
Graig,Harper,Clark....and some guy named Rice.
...never mind you just answered me :D
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In addition to Montana never losing a Super Bowl and never throwing an INT in the Super Bowl, he took the Chiefs to the AFC Championship as an old man after being traded by the Niners.
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You're joking, right?
Let's play that mediocre receiver angle some more. I can think of a couple dozen teams that would love to have mediocre receivers like Wes Welker. Fact of the matter is that the Patriots do not function well with all-star players. They are a team that works because of the role players. For proof of this, look at the failed Randy Moss experiment. Not one title while he was there. Not even going to get into the terrific defensive teams Brady's had the pleasure of having (something Manning has never had). Or a coach of Bill B's caliber.
He'll be top 3-5 when all is said and done. If Peyton wins one more SB then he passes Brady.
Tell us, other than Randy Moss, who has Brady had that has been a hof level offensive weapon? There is no one. Wes Welker is a tremendous player, but acting like he is a number one hof caliber wr is foolish. He’s a slot wr, not a number one. The Moss experiment was a “failure”, if you consider 23 td’s in 07 and over 1000 yards every season thereafter “failed”. Not to mention, they gave up a fourth for him, got some of his best years out of him, and then got a third for him when he left. He’s been shit w/o Brady.
The defense argument is old and weak. Payton manning’s offensive advantages cancel that out. The Colts have just as many wins over the last ten years as the Patriots, and Manning's been to the playoffs 19 times (more than Brady) so your premise is flawed. There was no “advantage”. The advantage comes from Brady being 14/3 in the playoff and Manning being 9/10. Lastly, Mannings one title is largly because of his defense. If you remember, Manning played AWFUL during that sb run.
Lastly, if I read your comments about Moss correctly, you’re saying that he failed because he/the pats didn’t win a title. Brady has 3 titles to Manning’s one. By your logic, manning needs two more titles to surpass Brady.
Both are great QB’s and it will be 1a -1b when it’s all said and done.
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Tell us, other than Randy Moss, who has Brady had that has been a hof level offensive weapon? There is no one. Wes Welker is a tremendous player, but acting like he is a number one hof caliber wr is foolish. He’s a slot wr, not a number one. The Moss experiment was a “failure”, if you consider 23 td’s in 07 and over 1000 yards every season thereafter “failed”. Not to mention, they gave up a fourth for him, got some of his best years out of him, and then got a third for him when he left. He’s been shit w/o Brady.
The defense argument is old and weak. Payton manning’s offensive advantages cancel that out. The Colts have just as many wins over the last ten years as the Patriots, and they’ve been to the playoffs 19 times (more than the Pats) so your premise is flawed. There was no “advantage”. The advantage comes from Brady being 14/2 in the playoff and Manning being 9/10. Lastly, Mannings one title is because of his defense. If you remember, Manning played AWFUL during that sb run.
Lastly, if I read your comments about Moss correctly, you’re saying that he failed because he/the pats didn’t win a title. Brady has 3 titles to Manning’s one. By your logic, manning needs two more titles to surpass Brady.
Whatever.. 2 words BIG BEN...
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Whatever.. 2 words BIG BEN...
LOL, that pic so wrong......yet so right...... ;D
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Ben will get 5
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he is now #2 all time
only joe montana has any claim
standard brady play in current NFL etc applies but I do respect joe montana
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i think it was Marino Kelly or Elway that said they would throw for 5000 yards in todays nfl.. i beleive them. 1 the DBs cant breathe on WRS. and the Strategies are all about passing.. Remember running the ball was the norm and a team coming out flinging it all over the place was rare.. now there are about 5 teams that run the ball while the rest do a shit load of passing.. ill tell you how the game changed. 15 years ago you would never see a qb in shotgun empty on the 3 yardline..
Marino throw for more than just about everyone anyways and still couldn't win. And Kelly was good but in the end, he was not a winner. These two QB's in todays game still wouldn't be able to win because winners find a way to win and losers find a way to lose. Marino's arm was incredible but he was his own worst enemy. Its no surprise that he was rumored to be a major coke head for decades.
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Jets are whipping Tom's ass !!! ;D
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Jets are whipping Tom's ass !!! ;D
THIS
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Montana????
NAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jets are whipping Tom's ass !!! ;D
There's some conspiracy talk going on that Rex threw the 2nd game blow out against the Pats. And that in Rex's press conferances he was basically driving the point home to Bill B by saying things like its between Bill B. and me. The road to the super bowl goes through the Patriots. Could REX really be that smart? Is/was that the only way to make Bill B. study bogus film on a team that was playing sheep? And Bill didn't know it? Has a team ever laid down on purpose with the sole reason to give the other team really bad film. How does a defense so good(JETs) give up that many points to the Pats(game 2) without a deep threat? I personally don't buy any of this. But it is some info floating around in no mans land(interwebz)