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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Meso_z on January 13, 2011, 02:14:07 AM
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If so, then why its sooo toxic and potent as they say? I have never used masteron but i always thought it was a "mild" injectable.
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Some can argue that there's no such thing, but when you look at the chemistry or read about it and it's make up, yes it is oral masteron. Or as close as you can make masteron in an oral form. That's why i cry tears of blood when people say it's a "pro-hormone!"
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If so, then why its sooo toxic and potent as they say? I have never used masteron but i always thought it was a "mild" injectable.
Because the Superdrol is Methylated it's more toxic to the liver than the injectable.
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Because the Superdrol is Methylated it's more toxic to the liver than the injectable.
it also sends your blood lipids on a death spiral
I'm wondering if M1T might be safer, even if it feels like your body is rotting inside. :)
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it also sends your blood lipids on a death spiral
I'm wondering if M1T might be safer, even if it feels like your body is rotting inside. :)
all pro hormones are poison with the side effect of muscle growth.....
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all pro hormones are poison with the side effect of muscle growth.....
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That's correct, more or less.
Orals can have the same structure as injectable steroids but adjustments at certain positions change the way we react to them hardcore. Take a look at shit like equipina and dianabolas. Very different affect on the muscle from the different methods of ingestion and preparation of the drugs.
It's hard to ignore though. They do help you put on sheaths of very hard and dry mass. Some like Superdrol seem to really pull a modest but appreciable amount of water from adipose and increases it, along with glycogen in the muscle. You get so hard on that stuff. I occasionally take it on days where I want to pick up lagging parts. Or if I'm dieting and my ego is shot, I do what most bodybuilders do and take some orals pre workout and fill out without spilling over. Although it's not so advantageous for overall mass taking it this way and it's too much of a detriment to do long term. Much better to take some orals, blast the injectables and use it to jumpstart a new growth phase.
Being on some test, tren and an oral like Superdrol or m1t creates a feeling that almost no other steroids can rival. I don't need equipina or masterona though because even when I'm fat I'm veiny as a cock. I wish there was a safe injectable version of these drugs that I could pin everyday.
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No superdrol is not oral masteron. dont let the name methasteron fool you. they called it superdrol short for "super anadrol". The first company who brought it out was desiger supplements used to be owned buy a guy who had the screename sledge or sledgehammer on some forums. They used to sell the pure powder and it was super strong. stronger than any of the sealed bottle caps. That raw powder worked very well. I think british dragon or another ugl did make oral masteron at one point but why use oral masteron when their is a injectable version. I personally think M1T blows all orals away very potent stuff. the key is to use just a little bit. dome guys would use 40-50mg and get bad side effects but at 20-30mg those side effects wouldnt be very noticible. Alot of people rag on M1T because it was a legal supplement for awhile but it is nothing to play around with. If used correctly you can seriously blow up on M1T. superdrol as well. but all depends on the quality of the raw material. both are no joke IMO.
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No superdrol is not oral masteron. dont let the name methasteron fool you. they called it superdrol short for "super anadrol". The first company who brought it out was desiger supplements used to be owned buy a guy who had the screename sledge or sledgehammer on some forums. They used to sell the pure powder and it was super strong. stronger than any of the sealed bottle caps. That raw powder worked very well. I think british dragon or another ugl did make oral masteron at one point but why use oral masteron when their is a injectable version. I personally think M1T blows all orals away very potent stuff. the key is to use just a little bit. dome guys would use 40-50mg and get bad side effects but at 20-30mg those side effects wouldnt be very noticible. Alot of people rag on M1T because it was a legal supplement for awhile but it is nothing to play around with. If used correctly you can seriously blow up on M1T. superdrol as well. but all depends on the quality of the raw material. both are no joke IMO.
Yep. The little fags on here still laugh like it's creatine or something. The pussies probably don't run any gear, or they do run gear but don't look like it.
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I like superdrol a lot. I dont use much of it though. I kind of pulse it during an injectible cycle.
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I like superdrol a lot. I dont use much of it though. I kind of pulse it during an injectible cycle.
on workout days or like 1 week on, one week off?
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Whats up with taking it on "workout days" or "preworkout"? either you take the stuff or not..
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after a week on the sd my low back is wrecked. i get a pump tying my shoes. shit works
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how about gains in lean bw? Im going to try it when im going to diet near april..i hope it will work on low calories..
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all pro hormones are poison with the side effect of muscle growth.....
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100% Correct !!!
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just tried sdrol recently, results: pretty much similar results with dbol except dbol gives more water retention, but if you control estro you shouldnt have much retention.. and sdrol after 2 weeks made me feel like shit, probably because i bumped the dose to 40mg, so i lowered it to 20mg but still feel like shit so stopped it after 3 weeks. so it works but dbol works just as good and is less dangerous.. if you use sdrol dont go over 20mg
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what should a pct look like for a s drol cycle and do you need a blocker during.. i've got some at the house but want to do my homework on this compound before running it.. No, I am not taking any injectables right now.. Might just run the s drol by itself
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Superdrol and masteron are nothing alike...masteron gives me hard lean gains...superdrol makes me bloated
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Superdrol and masteron are nothing alike...masteron gives me hard lean gains...superdrol makes me bloated
I haven't heard of anyone getting bloated from Superdrol. It gives you pumps like dbol or anadrol without any bloat whatsoever.
GI distress is something it can cause though, if that's what you meant. The stuff is damn toxic lol
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what should a pct look like for a s drol cycle and do you need a blocker during.. i've got some at the house but want to do my homework on this compound before running it.. No, I am not taking any injectables right now.. Might just run the s drol by itself
The PCT crowd will hate this but I would do 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off and 2 weeks on again with no PCT. I've done this M1T but not Superdrol, so buyer beware.
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I totally disagree with that method
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The PCT crowd will hate this but I would do 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off and 2 weeks on again with no PCT. I've done this M1T but not Superdrol, so buyer beware.
That's the Bill Roberts method and it works pretty well, but during the off weeks he recommends AI or at least a serm.
I totally disagree with that method
I can understand that and it's very unconventional method, but your meant to use only the very fast acting steroids and it does actually work, many mma guys like this method too. If done correctly very few if any sides.
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Do they still make M1T and Superdrol???
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That's the Bill Roberts method and it works pretty well, but during the off weeks he recommends AI or at least a serm.
I can understand that and it's very unconventional method, but your meant to use only the very fast acting steroids and it does actually work, many mma guys like this method too. If done correctly very few if any sides.
Ive heard 2 weeks in the beggining of a cycle and 2 weeks at the end of a cycle works well. For sdrol.
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Ive heard 2 weeks in the beginning of a cycle and 2 weeks at the end of a cycle works well. For sdrol.
Sure, but that's just because you get an active steroid flowing in your blood stream from day 1. so you don't have to wait for the longer esters to kick in, also you keep gaining at the end straight to the pct when the slower ester "wean off". This can be done with pretty much any oral.
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Sure, but that's just because you get an active steroid flowing in your blood stream from day 1. so you don't have to wait for the longer esters to kick in, also you keep gaining at the end straight to the pct when the slower ester "wean off". This can be done with pretty much any oral.
how much sdrol? is 10mg is the standard dose..up to 20mg maybe?
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how much sdrol? is 10mg is the standard dose..up to 20mg maybe?
You can use 20 mg per day if you want to.
The 2 on 2 off week system is a bit different so if you want to use it just at the beginning and end of say 12-16 cycle you could easily do it for 3 or even 4 weeks.
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You can use 20 mg per day if you want to.
The 2 on 2 off week system is a bit different so if you want to use it just at the beginning and end of say 12-16 cycle you could easily do it for 3 or even 4 weeks.
this sounds cool, think ima try it with dbol soon
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2nd week of sdrol yesterday.. I got VERY dizzy late at night my legs felt weak and shaking.
I paniced to be honest. what a pussy ;D
I went to bed immediately in the fear of binging with carbs all night. This morning im feeling better.
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hahaha i still have 3 unopened bottles in the fridge, have used it and do not be fooled it works but yes it will fuck up the liver values and quick.
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hahaha i still have 3 unopened bottles in the fridge, have used it and do not be fooled it works but yes it will fuck up the liver values and quick.
I use 20 mg..is 4 weeks ok?
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I use 20 mg..is 4 weeks ok?
Yes, absolutely.
Actually that's pretty optimal.
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Yes, absolutely.
Actually that's pretty optimal.
phew.... :) I feel better now. Im gonna live. ;D
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ive just started reading up on all these clones and designer steriods, seems like ive had my head in the sand for years as its all new to me, alot of 'naturals' out there getting good results tho.... am i wrong in thinking you could sail through most drug tests on most of these?
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ive just started reading up on all these clones and designer steriods, seems like ive had my head in the sand for years as its all new to me, alot of 'naturals' out there getting good results tho.... am i wrong in thinking you could sail through most drug tests on most of these?
There are steroids, so yes.
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There are steroids, so yes.
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:o @ m1t.
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:o @ m1t.
Yes, strongest oral steroid there is, LMAO @ people calling it a "prohormone".
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so im guessing any of the guys competing in sports right now could cycle these along side all the new peptides and show up squeeky clean with out even having to even mask them....
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ive just started reading up on all these clones and designer steriods, seems like ive had my head in the sand for years as its all new to me, alot of 'naturals' out there getting good results tho.... am i wrong in thinking you could sail through most drug tests on most of these?
If i understud you right, you are asking if you could pass a doping test while on these "common" designer steroids. The answer in no, since the metabolites of these steroids would instantly show positive. One cyclist used ATD which is a very weak muscle builder, for some it doesn't build any. It's commonly used as an AI which it is, anyway he was caught because he tested positive for boldenone metabolites (ATD metabolites into EQ with very low conversion rate).
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so im guessing any of the guys competing in sports right now could cycle these along side all the new peptides and show up squeeky clean with out even having to even mask them....
No, i am pretty sure they are banned by the WADA and other organizations.
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No, i am pretty sure they are banned by the WADA and other organizations.
And even the ones that aren't banned by name they are since, like i said before the metabolites of common steroids would be there and even if it weren't the ratio of testosterone to epi-testosterone would be wrong (out of limits).
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ahh i see... how did conte get round that then?
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And even the ones that aren't banned by name they are since, like i said before the metabolites of common steroids would be there and even if it weren't the ratio of testosterone to epi-testosterone would be wrong (out of limits).
You're right with that.
As for "undetectable Steroids", have a look at these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrogestrinone
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norbolethone
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ahh i see... how did conte get round that then?
If i remember right, he tweaked the base hormone so much that it wasn't detectable by the usual doping tests. Apparently the clear did not metabolite to other steroids and didn't alter the testosterone to epi-testosterone ratio. The clear isn't really that strong of steroid anyways, but it did what they wanted out of it, mostly enhanced recovery. So in that regard it was OK, but nothing compared to old school steroids. It might still be the "secret" if someone wouldn't had sent the WADA a sample with an attached note: "includes a new doping agent!"
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If i remember right, he tweaked the base hormone so much that it wasn't detectable by the usual doping tests. Apparently the clear did not metabolite to other steroids and didn't alter the testosterone to epi-testosterone ratio. The clear isn't really that strong of steroid anyways, but it did what they wanted out of it, mostly enhanced recovery. So in that regard it was OK, but nothing compared to old school steroids. It might still be the "secret" if someone wouldn't had sent the WADA a sample with an attached note: "includes a new doping agent!"
Well, dopers will always be ahead of the WADA, it's always been like this.
And actually the low number of positive doping tests in comparison to athletes in an event like the Olympic games shows that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_at_the_Olympic_Games#2008_Beijing
Out of the 4,500 samples that were collected from participating athletes at the games, six athletes with positive specimens were ousted from the competition.
LMAO, do they really believe all the others were clean?
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On another side note: I really want to know what the Chinese are taking, they never seem to get caught at all....
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One more thing these what we call designer steroids are just that, but only because of legal issues. As in tweak something old like Turinabol, (which ironically was a real designer steroid made the DDR). Anyways, the halodrol and h-drol clones are just a two molecules away from Turinabol so it was legal and in somewhere still is since it's not identified as a known steroid. But if i were to use h-drol and piss in a cup, I'd get caught instantly.
PS. Having used real Turinabol and h-drol i can honestly say that there's really no difference in results. As in i couldn't tell them apart from each other. "Real" t-bol is supposed to be stronger by few % but most real t-bol comes in 10 mg tabs and h-drol in 25 mg caps. + The odd ugl concoctions.
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On another side note: I really want to know what the Chinese are taking, they never seem to get caught at all....
Propably just the new peptides and maybe insulin, at least for the new peptides there even isn't one single reliable test, yet any school kid could have access to them, that is if they now ho to use google.
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Well, dopers will always be ahead of the WADA, it's always been like this.
And actually the low number of positive doping tests in comparison to athletes in an event like the Olympic games shows that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_at_the_Olympic_Games#2008_Beijing
LMAO, do they really believe all the others were clean?
YEAH, and that's why the whole doping program is an absolute joke... The ones that are unfortunate to get caught are the ones who don't know what they are doing or are piss ass poor.
PS. There's really no point in testing anything for the 2016 games and perhaps even the next games in London in 2012 because of gene-doping, which will make any tests obsolete.
ATHLETES 9 - WADA 1
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Propably just the new peptides and maybe insulin, at least for the new peptides there even isn't one single reliable test, yet any school kid could have access to them, that is if they now ho to use google.
Well, chinese also don't really have off-season testing afaik, and they are the biggest raw hormone suppliers in the world, so go figure.
But i am sure they have some specialities they keep to themselves, after all they are Chinese AND communists.
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YEAH, and that's why the whole doping program is an absolute joke... The ones that are unfortunate to get caught are the ones who don't know what they are doing or are piss ass poor.
PS. There's really no point in testing anything for the 2016 games and perhaps even the next games in London in 2012 because of gene-doping, which will make any tests obsolete.
ATHLETES 9 - WADA 1
Gene doping, that's also my take on the Chinese.... ;D ;D
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Gene doping, that's also my take on the Chinese.... ;D ;D
Yep for the real, i also believe that the Koreans will be doing much better. Even if they could make a test that would show the definitive tweaks in DNA they couldn't use it, legally at least since, many people have all sorts of gene mutations. We remember the German boy who was born with twice the muscle mass than his peers and still carries it without reported health issues. :D
Man if there's one thing i love, it's fucking with the WADA/IOC (hypothetically of course)... :D
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Gene doping, that's also my take on the Chinese.... ;D ;D
Oh wait, I thought they were on plazmosis?
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Yep for the real, i also believe that the Koreans will be doing much better. Even if they could make a test that would show the definitive tweaks in DNA they couldn't use it, legally at least since, many people have all sorts of gene mutations. We remember the German boy who was born with twice the muscle mass than his peers and still carries it without reported health issues. :D
Man if there's one thing i love, it's fucking with the WADA/IOC (hypothetically of course)... :D
Yeah, fuck WADA, a lot their officials are corrupt and take bribes to let people pass tests, like you said the only ones who test positive and get banned are the retarded and poor ones who cant afford a big enough bribe.
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Yeah, fuck WADA, a lot their officials are corrupt and take bribes to let people pass tests, like you said the only ones who test positive and get banned are the retarded and poor ones who cant afford a big enough bribe.
Very true.
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Yeah, fuck WADA, a lot their officials are corrupt and take bribes to let people pass tests, like you said the only ones who test positive and get banned are the retarded and poor ones who cant afford a big enough bribe.
It's really funny how in some countries off season testing doesn't exist at all, i.e. Jamaica, China, even parts of the US.
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It's really funny how in some countries off season testing doesn't exist at all, i.e. Jamaica, China, even parts of the US.
Im sure the excuse is lack of funds ::) in China they never test the top athletes just test a few local nobodies then ban them to look like they have a real anti doping program ::)
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Im sure the excuse is lack of funds ::) in China they never test the top athletes just test a few local nobodies then ban them to look like they have a real anti doping program ::)
LOL, i mean Chinese authorities even go so far as to give out fake passports to athletes to make them older so they can compete, so it wouldn't even wonder me if they had some factory somewhere in that big country where they make experiments on people like in a horror movie.
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LOL, i mean Chinese authorities even go so far as to give out fake passports to athletes to make them older so they can compete, so it wouldn't even wonder me if they had some factory somewhere in that big country where they make experiments on people like in a horror movie.
Genetic human experiments have been going on for decades in the PRC, if you go to some small towns or villages you can see the discarded mutants begging on the street, really terrible.
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Genetic human experiments have been going on for decades in the PRC, if you go to some small towns or villages you can see the discarded mutants begging on the street, really terrible.
One thing is sure, the PRC gives a shit about its "citizens".
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One thing is sure, the PRC gives a shit about its "citizens".
Yes very much a caring state
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gyno in a bottle
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gyno in a bottle
I didnt get any gyno fom it..
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gyno in a bottle
bogus claim there buddy
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I didnt get any gyno fom it..
me neither lol
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Some people get a bit of gyno, not from estrogen but from prolactin. Fags on bb.com called it a "delayed gyno" phenomenon. It's just that these little fag boys did their cookie cutter cycles and took nolvadex for weeks following their cycle. Once the estrogen suppression was stopped, that and prolactin would lead to a bit of gyno in folks that have really high estrogen and/or prolactin.
Same changes of gyno as with other steroids. It's more than just estrogen at play. That's why the cookie cutter cycles and steroid advice needs to stop. Understand what the fuck you're taking and it's not fucking rocket science.
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bogus claim there buddy
Got it two different times after coming off, ran just about everything out there to get rid of it
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Isn't Superdrol banned now? Confused.. someone fill me in.
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Isn't Superdrol banned now? Confused.. someone fill me in.
It is in the US, but not in many European countries...
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Isn't Superdrol banned now? Confused.. someone fill me in.
some clone available, basicaly same thing as superdrol but with a different name, like beastdrol