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An excerpt from Obama's speech at the memorial service:
And if, as has been discussed in recent days, their death helps usher in more civility in our public discourse, let us remember it is not because a simple lack of civility caused this tragedy -- it did not -- but rather because only a more civil and honest public discourse can help us face up to the challenges of our nation in a way that would make them proud.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/13/transcript-obama-address-tucson-memorial-service/
So now that the president says political discourse didn't cause the shooting, the shooter was a registered independent, was described by friends as apolitical or liberal, did not listen to political radio, and there is zero evidence he was influenced by Republicans, conservatives, political ads, etc., I think Keith Olbermann owes all 25 of his viewers an apology.
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bump for blacken to respond to this...
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He's offereing his own opinion and he's entitled to do that just like anyone else.
He also admitted and apologized for his own careless rhetoric (ever here Rush or O'Reilly or Beck do that?)
http://lybio.net/keith-olbermann-special-comment-on-gabrielle-giffords-shooting/people/
[Keith Olbermann - Special Comment On Gabrielle Giffords Shooting]
[Keith Theodore Olbermann January 27, 1959]
Finally tonight, as promised, a Special Comment on the attempted assassination of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona. We need to put the guns down. Just as importantly we need to put the gun metaphors away and permanently.
Left, right, middle – politicians and citizens – sane and insane. This morning in Arizona, this age in which this country would accept “targeting” of political opponents and putting bullseyes over their faces and of the dangerous blurring between political rallies and gun shows, ended.
This morning in Arizona, this time of the ever-escalating, borderline-ecstatic invocation of violence in fact or in fantasy in our political discourse, closed. It is essential tonight not to demand revenge, but to demand justice; to insist not upon payback against those politicians and commentators who have so irresponsibly brought us to this time of domestic terrorism, but to work to change the minds of them and their supporters – or if those minds tonight are too closed, or if those minds tonight are too unmoved, or if those minds tonight are too triumphant, to make sure by peaceful means that those politicians and commentators and supporters have no further place in our system of government.
At this news conference this evening, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik took the extraordinary step of reporting details of not the crime scene alone but rather of the political and cultural climate. I think it’s time as a country to do soul searching because I think rhetoric we hear day in and day out from the people in the radio business and some people in the tv business. And what we see on tv and how our youngsters are being raised. It may be free speech but without consequences. Arizona is the mecca of prejudice and bigotry. Source: LYBIO.net
If Sarah Palin, whose website put and today scrubbed bullseye targets on 20 Representatives including Gabby Giffords, does not repudiate her own part however, tangential in amplifying violence and violent imagery in politics, she must be dismissed from politics – she must be repudiated by the members of her own party, and if they fail to do so, each one of them must be judged to have silently defended this tactic that today proved so awfully foretelling, and they must in turn be dismissed by the responsible members of their own party.
If Jesse Kelly, whose campaign against Congresswoman Giffords included an event in which he encouraged his supporters to join him firing machine guns, does not repudiate this, does not admit that even if it was solely indirectly, or solely coincidentally, it contributed to the black cloud of violence that has enveloped our politics, he must be repudiated by Arizona’s Republican Party.
If Congressman Allen West, who during his successful campaign told his supporters that they should make his opponent afraid to come out of his own home, does not repudiate those remarks and all other suggestions of violence or forced fear, he should be repudiated by his constituents and the Republican Congressional Caucus.
If Sharron Angle, who spoke of “Second Amendment remedies,” does not repudiate that remark and urge her supporters to think anew of the terrible reality of what her words implied, she must be repudiated by her supporters in Nevada.
If the Tea Party leaders who took out of context a Jefferson quote about blood and tyranny and the tree of liberty do not understand – do not understand tonight, now, what that really means, and these leaders do not tell their followers to abhor violence and all threat of violence, then those Tea Party leaders must be repudiated by the Republican Party.
If Glenn Beck, who obsesses nearly as strangely as Mr. Loughner did about gold and debt and who wistfully joked about killing Michael Moore, and Bill O’Reilly, who blithely repeated “Tiller the Killer” until the phrase was burned into the minds of his viewers, if do not begin their next broadcasts with solemn apologies for ever turning to the death-fantasies and the dreams of blood-lust, for ever having provided just the oxygen to those deep in madness to whom violence is an acceptable solution, then those commentators and the others must be repudiated by their viewers and listeners, and by all politicians, who appear on their programs, including President Obama and his planned interview with Fox on Super Bowl Sunday and repudiated by the sponsors, and by the networks that employ them. And if all of these are not responsible for what happened in Tucson, they must now be responsible for doing everything they can to make Tucson does not happen again.
And if those of us considered to be “on the left” do not re-dedicate ourselves to our vigilance to eliminate all our own suggestions of violence – how ever inadvertent they might have been, then we too deserve the repudiation of the more sober and peaceful of our politicians and our viewers and our networks.
Here, once, in a clumsy metaphor, I made such an unintended statement about the candidacy of then-Senator Clinton. It sounded as if it was a call to physical violence. It was wrong, then. It is even more wrong tonight. I apologize for it again, and I urge politicians and commentators and citizens of every political conviction to use my comment as a means to recognize the insidiousness of violent imagery, that if it can go so easily and slip into the comments of one as opposed to violence as me, how easily, how pervasively, how disastrously it can slip into the already-violent or deranged mind?
For tonight we stand at one of the clichéd crossroads of American history. Even if the alleged terrorist Jared Lee Loughner was merely shooting into a political crowd because he wanted to shoot into a political crowd, even if he was somehow unaware who was in the crowd, we have nevertheless for years been building up to a moment like this. Despite the Youtube videos in what it appears to be Loughner referring specifically to the eighth Congress District of Arizona, Gabby Giffords District, assume the details are coincidence. The violence is not. The rhetoric has devolved and descended, past the ugly and past the threatening and past the fantastic and into the imminently murderous.
We will not return to the 1850s, when a pro-slavery Congressman nearly beat to death an anti-slavery Senator; when an anti-slavery madman cut to death with broadswords pro-slavery advocates.
We will not return to the 1960s, when with rationalizations of an insane desire for fame, or of hatred, or of political opposition, a President was assassinated and an ultra-Conservative would-be president shot at and paralyzed, and a leader of peace was murdered on a balcony. We will not.
Because tonight, what Mrs. Palin, and what Mr. Kelly, and what Congressman West, and what Ms. Angle, and what Mr. Beck, and what Mr. O’Reilly, and what you and I must understand, was that the man who fired today did not fire at a Democratic Congresswoman and her supporters. Source: LYBIO.net
He was not just a mad-man incited by a thousand daily temptations by slightly less-mad-men to do things they would not rationally condone.
He fired today into our liberty and our rights to live and to agree or disagree in safety and in freedom from fear that our support or opposition will cost us our lives or our health or our sense of safety. The bulls-eye might just as well have been on Mrs. Palin, or Mr. Kelly, or you, or me. The wrong, the horror, would have been – could still be just as real and just as unacceptable.
At a time of such urgency and impact, we as Americans – conservative or liberal – should pour our hearts and souls into our politics. We should not – none of us, not Gabby Giffords and not any Conservative – ever have to pour our blood. And every politician and commentator who hints otherwise, or worse still stays silent now, should have no place in our political system, and should be denied that place, not by violence, but by being shunned and ignored.
It is a simple pledge, it is to the point, and it is essential that every American politician and commentator and activist and partisan and take it and take it now, I say it first, and freely:
Violence, or the threat of violence, has no place in our Democracy, and I apologize for and repudiate any act or any thing in my past that may have even inadvertently encouraged violence. Because for whatever else each of us may be, we all are Americans. Good night and good luck
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bump for blacken to respond to this...
sounds politically correct to me :o
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sounds politically correct to me :o
so you think obama thinks palin is to blame, like you do?
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don't know if palins word had anything to do with it, can't tell you what obama thinks ::)
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An excerpt from Obama's speech at the memorial service:
And if, as has been discussed in recent days, their death helps usher in more civility in our public discourse, let us remember it is not because a simple lack of civility caused this tragedy -- it did not -- but rather because only a more civil and honest public discourse can help us face up to the challenges of our nation in a way that would make them proud.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/13/transcript-obama-address-tucson-memorial-service/
So now that the president says political discourse didn't cause the shooting, the shooter was a registered independent, was described by friends as apolitical or liberal, did not listen to political radio, and there is zero evidence he was influenced by Republicans, conservatives, political ads, etc., I think Keith Olbermann owes all 25 of his viewers an apology.
He also did not vote in the mid terms and probabl voted for bama or bob barr in 2008. .
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don't know if palins word had anything to do with it, can't tell you what obama thinks ::)
then why do you continually post things that insinuate that palin had something to do with it?
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He also did not vote in the mid terms and probabl voted for bama or bob barr in 2008. .
your just guessing right
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your just guessing right
same as you maybe?
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then why do you continually post things that insinuate that palin had something to do with it?
I can't find anyone (pundit, politician, etc.) who has said Palin "had something to to with this"
why do you continually keep saying that with absolutely no proof?
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I can't find anyone (pundit, politician, etc.) who has said Palin "had something to to with this"
why do you continually keep saying that with absolutely no proof?
why even bring her up straw but to insinuate that she had something to do with it?
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I think Keith Olbermann owes all 25 of his viewers an apology.
lol
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why even bring her up straw but to insinuate that she had something to do with it?
If you're referrin to Olberman - he also brought up Angle, Allen West, Beck, O'Reily and Himself.
Hard to see how you figure he targeting Palin much less blaming her for this specific event.
You've had a bug up your ass about for 3 days and yet can't find anything to support your erroneous belief.
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If you're referrin to Olberman - he also brought up Angle, Allen West, Beck, O'Reily and Himself.
Hard to see how you figure he targeting Palin much less blaming her for this specific event.
You've had a bug up your ass about for 3 days and yet can't find anything to support your erroneous belief.
post the transcript again and ill highlight if for your dumb ass
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why even bring her up straw but to insinuate that she had something to do with it?
we all know why.
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post the transcript again and ill highlight if for your dumb ass
why don't you scroll up genius
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we all know why.
lol yes we do right, independent, left
everyone except the far far left...
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we all know why.
why bring up Angles name
she's not even an elected politician
why bring up Beck or O'Reily or HIMSELF
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why don't you scroll up genius
its not in this thread
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its not in this thread
what transcript are you talking about then
if it's not the one I posted on this thread then go find it yourelf.
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Please Straw - you are part of th fringe left who refuses to see anything relating to this matter as it related to the conduct of the far left.
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what transcript are you talking about then
if it's not the one I posted on this thread then go find it yourelf.
I appologize it is...
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[Keith Olbermann - Special Comment On Gabrielle Giffords Shooting]
[Keith Theodore Olbermann January 27, 1959]
Finally tonight, as promised, a Special Comment on the attempted assassination of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona. We need to put the guns down. Just as importantly we need to put the gun metaphors away and permanently.
Left, right, middle – politicians and citizens – sane and insane. This morning in Arizona, this age in which this country would accept “targeting” of political opponents and putting bullseyes over their faces and of the dangerous blurring between political rallies and gun shows, ended.
This morning in Arizona, this time of the ever-escalating, borderline-ecstatic invocation of violence in fact or in fantasy in our political discourse, closed. It is essential tonight not to demand revenge, but to demand justice; to insist not upon payback against those politicians and commentators who have so irresponsibly brought us to this time of domestic terrorism,
FACT: nothing at all has pointed to this being in anyway related to politics...
why do you think they put quotations on the word targeting straw?
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FACT: nothing at all has pointed to this being in anyway related to politics...
why do you think they put quotations on the word targeting straw?
I've told her before
that red bar thing makes it harder to read - not easier
try red text instead
I asked you last night
Did Palin put bulleyes on peoples faces?
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I've told her before
that red bar thing makes it harder to read - not easier
try red text instead
I asked you last night
Did Palin put bulleyes on peoples faces?
ok i will try that...
she put "cross hairs" on ppls districts...
why do you think there are quotations around the word target?
is there any evidence what so ever to back up olbeirmanns claim that any political talk lead to this incident?
"to insist not upon payback against those politicians and commentators who have so irresponsibly brought us to this time of domestic terrorism,"
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This asshole did not even vote in 2010!
So obviously he most likelynever even saw the stupid map.
You left wing communists trying to attach this to Palin are disgusting.
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The point I believe most people have against those politicizing this is that it should have never happened in the first place. Fine, apologize for it, but the fact is it should have never been said in the first place. It's clear the people guilty of this were doing it for their own agenda, putting aside the sheer tragedy of this to further their own will. It's disgusting and the people who did it should be utterly ashamed of themselves and be fired from their jobs.
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ok i will try that...
she put "cross hairs" on ppls districts...
why do you think there are quotations around the word target?
is there any evidence what so ever to back up olbeirmanns claim that any political talk lead to this incident?
"to insist not upon payback against those politicians and commentators who have so irresponsibly brought us to this time of domestic terrorism,"
so no cross hairs on peoples faces?
maybe he's talking about someone else
btw - he mentioned his own poor choice or words and actually apologizes
maybe he's blaming himself and admitting guilt
I still no direct blame of Palin and in fact I've seen people go out of their way to say they are not blaming her
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ok i will try that...
she put "cross hairs" on ppls districts...
why do you think there are quotations around the word target?
is there any evidence what so ever to back up olbeirmanns claim that any political talk lead to this incident?
"to insist not upon payback against those politicians and commentators who have so irresponsibly brought us to this time of domestic terrorism,"
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The so called "climate of hate" is utter bullshit maufactured by the far left communists/progressives to try to hang thisaroud the tea party and palin when in fact this was not a political event at all.
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The so called "climate of hate" is utter bullshit maufactured by the far left communists/progressives to try to hang thisaroud the tea party and palin when in fact this was not a political event at all.
you'd have to an idiot or truly delusional to believe that
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you'd have to an idiot or truly delusional to believe that
Read the thread i just posted from the Washington Post you useful idiot and moron.
Its only far left hacks and dopes like yourself who fall for that malarchy.
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Read the thread i just posted from the Washington Post you useful idiot and moron.
Its only far left hacks and dopes like yourself who fall for that malarchy.
what about it ?
All it does it talk about how Loughner is nuts
I said that's what they would find out before we even knew who he was
how do you think that proves that the climate of hate is manufactured by the left
I must say you have an "interesting" defense strategy.
You bring evidence that has nothing to do with the argument you're trying to make
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what about it ?
All it does it talk about how Loughner is nuts
I said that's what they would find out before we even knew who he was
how do you think that proves that the climate of hate is manufactured by the left
I must say you have an "interesting" defense strategy.
You bring evidence that has nothing to do with the argument you're trying to make
::) ::)
Since 60 minuts after the shooting, the far left has been beating te same drum and lies ENDLESSLY 24/7 and now that the RELEVANT facts are coming out that tthey are wrong, now theyare claiming innocence to this trash. ::) ::)
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::) ::)
Since 60 minuts after the shooting, the far left has been beating te same drum and lies ENDLESSLY 24/7 and now that the RELEVANT facts are coming out that tthey are wrong, now theyare claiming innocence to this trash. ::) ::)
no they haven't
but when you filter realty through that house of mirrors inside your skull you always seem to arrive at the same weird result
I'm honestly suprised you haven't blamed Obama yet.... or maybe I just missed it in one of your 50 daily threads
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no they haven't
but when you filter realty through that house of mirrors inside your skull you always seem to arrive at the same weird result
I'm honestly suprised you haven't blamed Obama yet.... or maybe I just missed it in one of your 50 daily threads
This freak of nature probably voted for Bama, but that is a different story.
Bama has nothing to do with this anymore than Palin does, unless you want to claim that the horrible economic misery Obama is causing gave this kid a sense of hopelessness and drove him to this.
Sounds as plausible to me as the Palin theories no?
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This freak of nature probably voted for Bama, but that is a different story.
Bama has nothing to do with this anymore than Palin does, unless you want to claim that the horrible economic misery Obama is causing gave this kid a sense of hopelessness and drove him to this.
Sounds as plausible to me as the Palin theories no?
Wouldn't surprise me. The millions of Americans who have had their lives turned upside down by the incompetency of this administration while also watching it pander to illegal immigrants and other non-citizens can't be feeling too hot about about Obama.
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This freak of nature probably voted for Bama, but that is a different story.
Bama has nothing to do with this anymore than Palin does, unless you want to claim that the horrible economic misery Obama is causing gave this kid a sense of hopelessness and drove him to this.
Sounds as plausible to me as the Palin theories no?
WHAT !!!
this is the first thing I can recall where you didn't find some ridiculous way to blame Obama
Are you feeling OK?
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WHAT !!!
this is the first thing I can recall where you didn't find some ridiculous way to blame Obama
Are you feeling OK?
I'm feeling fine, the same way as I always do. The fact is that this was not a political event in the least bit. It was a mentaly ill deranged loon obsessed with this woman since 2007 as a result of their meeting and a combo of drugs, booze, dreams, etc. .