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Muslim husbands with more than one wife to get extra benefits as ministers recognise polygamy
London Evening Standard ^ | January 13, 2011
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Husbands living in a "harem" with multiple wives have been cleared to claim state benefits for all their different partners. A Muslim man with four spouses - which is permitted under Islamic law - could receive £10,000 a year in income support alone. He could also be entitled to more generous housing and council tax benefit, to reflect the fact his household needs a bigger property.
Ministers have decided that, even though bigamy is a crime in Britain, polygamous marriages can be recognised formally by the state - provided they took place overseas, in countries where they are legal. The outcome will chiefly benefit Muslim men with more than one wife...
Income support for all of the wives may be paid directly into the husband's bank account, if the family so choose. Chris Grayling, the shadow work and pensions secretary, said that the decision was "completely unjustifiable".
He added: "You are not allowed to have multiple marriages in the UK, so to have a situation where the benefits system is treating people in different ways is totally unacceptable and will serve to undermine confidence in the system.
"This sets a precedent that will lead to more demands for the culture of other countries to be reflected in UK law and the benefits system."
(Excerpt) Read more at thisislondon.co.uk ...
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Unreal. coming to the USA eventually.
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Stop it! You are not allowed to talk bad about Muslims, only Christians.
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Churchill just rolled over in his grave.....again....
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Churchill just rolled over in his grave.....again....
I'm sure KC, 240, & blacken support this.
BezerkFury? Not so much. ;D ;D
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British govt.: We're broke so we're going to triple tuition costs while also continue to give jobless Muslim asylum seekers with 230 kids $2+ million homes, pay for their kids private school tuition and then some extra money on top because your religion, while violating centuries old British laws regarding marriage, exploits women through polygamy.
British people: We'll burn shit but still cry racism anytime someone criticizes Islam.
Churchill: An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last.
WINSTON CHURCHILL ON ISLAM - IN 1899!
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia
in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many
countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods
of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet
rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the
next of its dignity and sanctity.
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as
his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must
delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased
to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid
qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social
development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists
in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and
proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa,
raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity
is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it
had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell
the civilization of ancient Rome."
In 1899 nonetheless.
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But, Europeans are smarter because they can locate places easily on a map.
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But, Europeans are smarter because they can locate places easily on a map.
Hahaha! The only Europeans whose opinions are even worth entertaining are the Scandinavian countries and Germany.
How smart can Europeans be when they repeat history over and over and over?
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Hahaha! The only Europeans whose opinions are even worth entertaining are the Scandinavian countries and Germany.
How smart can Europeans be when they repeat history over and over and over?
Look at Sweden recently...
Take a look at how many muslims are in Denmark..
And what about Germany with 5m+ Turks and how many more muslims of (various ethnicities)..
All of Europe is doomed because instead of enforcing strict immigration policies they gave all these illegals more rights than their citizens by instilling a feeling of "racist guilt" on the whole (indigenous) population.
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British people: We'll burn shit but still cry racism anytime someone criticizes Islam.
lololol...sometimes the truth is just too damn funny.
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That's a pretty crap ruling. Polygamous relationships are certainly not usual or legal in western countries. Until a majority want a referendum on it, keep it illegal.
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Look at Sweden recently...
Take a look at how many muslims are in Denmark..
And what about Germany with 5m+ Turks and how many more muslims of (various ethnicities)..
All of Europe is doomed because instead of enforcing strict immigration policies they gave all these illegals more rights than their citizens by instilling a feeling of "racist guilt" on the whole (indigenous) population.
Actually, you're completely right. Germany has at least admitted the problem . Of course, they were quickly labeled as 'islamophobes' for speaking the truth. ::)
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Actually, you're completely right. Germany has at least admitted the problem . Of course, they were quickly labeled as 'islamophobes' for speaking the truth. ::)
You are an islamophobe! Leave the Muslims alone and go insult some Christians now! >:(
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You are an islamophobe! Leave the Muslims alone and go insult some Christians now! >:(
According to apologists like Blacken posting a news story about something like Muslims blowing up 20+ Coptic Christians outside their church in Egypt = islamophobia.
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That's a pretty crap ruling. Polygamous relationships are certainly not usual or legal in western countries. Until a majority want a referendum on it, keep it illegal.
A part of the mormons practice polygamy in the US. Since it is illegal though the "extra" wives usually appear as single mothers (and who knows if they reap benefits for that).
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A part of the mormons practice polygamy in the US. Since it is illegal though the "extra" wives usually appear as single mothers (and who knows if they reap benefits for that).
Those mormons are breakaways from the LDS church. There is an interesting supreme court case going on in Canada right now regarding polygamy. A ruling that it is legal could lead to a mass exodus north for those in the US.
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Englan is on the road to national suicide with these policies coddling and placating these heathens.
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Muslim husbands with more than one wife to get extra benefits as ministers recognise polygamy
London Evening Standard ^ | January 13, 2011
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Husbands living in a "harem" with multiple wives have been cleared to claim state benefits for all their different partners. A Muslim man with four spouses - which is permitted under Islamic law - could receive £10,000 a year in income support alone. He could also be entitled to more generous housing and council tax benefit, to reflect the fact his household needs a bigger property.
Ministers have decided that, even though bigamy is a crime in Britain, polygamous marriages can be recognised formally by the state - provided they took place overseas, in countries where they are legal. The outcome will chiefly benefit Muslim men with more than one wife...
Income support for all of the wives may be paid directly into the husband's bank account, if the family so choose. Chris Grayling, the shadow work and pensions secretary, said that the decision was "completely unjustifiable".
He added: "You are not allowed to have multiple marriages in the UK, so to have a situation where the benefits system is treating people in different ways is totally unacceptable and will serve to undermine confidence in the system.
"This sets a precedent that will lead to more demands for the culture of other countries to be reflected in UK law and the benefits system."
(Excerpt) Read more at thisislondon.co.uk ...
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Unreal. coming to the USA eventually.
Apparently, pimpin' IS easy in the UK.
But, but, but, legalizing gay "marriage" and civil unions won't lead to legalizing polygamy. Isn't that what liberals and gay activists have been telling us for years.
First the Netherlands, now the UK.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/301 (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/301)
Five or ten more years, before they start bowing the knee to Allah.
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Apparently, pimpin' IS easy in the UK.
But, but, but, legalizing gay "marriage" and civil unions won't lead to legalizing polygamy. Isn't that what liberals and gay activists have been telling us for years.
First the Netherlands, now the UK.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/301 (http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/301)
Five or ten more years, before they start bowing the knee to Allah.
To draw a correlation from same sex marriage to polygamy is quite the stretch.
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To draw a correlation from same sex marriage to polygamy is quite the stretch.
Not really! Both redefine marriage as something other than a union of ONE man and ONE woman.
A number of the countries that legalize gay "marriage" went on to legalize polygamy. But, those supporting gay "marriage" swear that such wouldn't happen and that their opponents, claiming the "slippery slope" argument didn't hold any water.
Well, now you have it. It started with the Netherlands. Now, the UK is doing it.
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Not really! Both redefine marriage as something other than a union of ONE man and ONE woman.
A number of the countries that legalize gay "marriage" went on to legalize polygamy. But, those supporting gay "marriage" swear that such wouldn't happen and that their opponents, claiming the "slippery slope" argument didn't hold any water.
Well, now you have it. It started with the Netherlands. Now, the UK is doing it.
Can you please name these "number of countries that legalize gay "marriage" went on to legalize polygamy"
Because as far as i have seen and read, the countries that allow polygamy also have some of the worst same sex rights records. Namely Middle Eastern and African countries.
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Darn it! Jesus said
“But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.’" So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Mark 10:6-8
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Darn it! Jesus said
“But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh with the other fleshes of the woman he so chooses to bone as well.’" So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Mark 10:6-8
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Can you please name these "number of countries that legalize gay "marriage" went on to legalize polygamy"
Because as far as i have seen and read, the countries that allow polygamy also have some of the worst same sex rights records. Namely Middle Eastern and African countries.
I just named them: The Netherlands and now, the UK.
Plus, I didn't say that polygamy led to gay "marriage". The trend seems to be the other way around. Even here in the USA, polygamists are suing for the right to engage in their practices.
The Middle Eastern countries and a significant chunk of African countries (particularly in NE Africa) are Islamic. That would explain the polygamy thing. But, they aren't all that fond of homosexuality.
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I just named them: The Netherlands (and Belgium) and now, the UK.
Plus, I didn't say that polygamy led to gay "marriage". The trend seems to be the other way around. Even here in the USA, polygamists are suing for the right to engage in their practices.
The Middle Eastern countries and a significant chunk of African countries (particularly in NE Africa) are Islamic. That would explain the polygamy thing. But, they aren't all that fond of homosexuality.
So this 'number of countries' is in fact 3? hahahahahahahahahahahaha haha brutal!
out of 37 countries that recognize it or have civil unions only 3 have gone the way you have said. Brutal % rate there! hahahahahaha
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So this 'number of countries' is in fact 3? hahahahahahahahahahahaha haha brutal!
out of 37 countries that recognize it or have civil unions only 3 have gone the way you have said. Brutal % rate there! hahahahahaha
Ummm....when did I say that what I listed was exhaustive?
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And, lest some people think that this won't hit close to home anytime soon.....
I hate to say I told you so, but….c’mon folks, this one was so predictable…
The gay marriage issue has been a hotbed of controversy. Anyone who opposes same-sex marriage has been called a multitude of names by those who scream “equality” and “fairness.” I have been one of those people who opposes using the word “marriage” for same-sex unions, not because I don’t feel gays should be united and have equal rights, but because I can see the slippery slope.
You always have to look for the slippery slope.
It’s easy to see that once the term “marriage” can be used for anything other than what was intended for hundreds of years – a union of one man and one woman- that there would be others, specifically polygamists, who would jump on the bandwagon and demand their rights to marriage.
Why not? Once the foot is in the door, it takes but a shove to get it open.
Well, it seems that the door is about to be shoved open in Canada, where they began recognizing same-sex marriage in 2005. Five, short years later, the issue of polygamy- the issue that everyone who is pushing for gay marriage in the U.S. says “will never happen because THAT’S different”- is at the forefront of the Canadian courts.
It only took five years.
Zoe Duff, a Canadian polygamy activist- she’s the director of the Canadian Polyamory Advocacy Association- has taken this issue to court. Zoe has two male, common-law partners and is upset because the current Canadian laws don’t allow her to live her chosen lifestyle. She wants to officially be married to both of these men. The British Columbia Supreme Court has agreed to hear her case, with testimony scheduled to begin within a few weeks.
It’s expected to pass, if not this time, then the next......
This is all happening behind the scenes in our own country whether we want it to or not. Proposition 8 was supposed to allow the people of California to decide the gay marriage issue in their state. Once the votes were counted, the folks in California let it be known that they overwhelmingly wanted marriage to stay man-woman.
Yet, that didn’t seem to matter, did it?
One, lone judge, a gay man by the name of Judge Vaughn Walker, didn’t agree with the will of the people and overturned the vote- which means that this issue will end up going to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals to decide. Californians have been taken out of the equation. The issue of marriage is now in the hands of a few justices, most of whom are extremely liberal.
Can this happen with polygamy? Well, look to Canada. The majority of Canadians certainly don’t condone polygamy, yet if you ask the Canadian “experts” on this issue, they will tell you that they fully expect polygamy to become legal. Not only that, they believe there is a “strong probability of Canada quickly becoming overrun with Muslims if Canada’s polygamy and bigamy laws are overturned.”
Doesn’t anyone think it’s strange that Muslims, people who actually stone gays to death in Sharia-complicit countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia, are helping to push the gay marriage issue in America? Is it because they suddenly have an affinity for the gays or is it a means to their own end of polygamy?
http://looktruenorth.com/family/marriage/14777-the-slippery-slope-of-gay-marriage-has-arrived.html (http://looktruenorth.com/family/marriage/14777-the-slippery-slope-of-gay-marriage-has-arrived.html)
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Darn it! Jesus said
“But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.’" So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Mark 10:6-8
kcballer, why did you quote me without saying anything else?
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Haha totally false account by that article.
The BC Attorney General asked the supreme court to rule on polygamy being a charter right for Canadians, as they had tried to prosecute polygamists and failed. Both sides for and against are having their day or days in court so to say that pro-polygamy forces started that is completely and utterly false. I spend a lot of time in Canada as i live in the PNW so i do follow and know what is going down. From what i have read about this case, there is almost no chance of it being found legal.
To say this is because of gay marriage is not only false but ridiculous.
This is from a pretty liberal paper too and the angle they are taking is definitely against polygamy
http://www.vancouversun.com/life/polygamy+case+hears+tradition+monogamous+unions/4087160/story.html (http://www.vancouversun.com/life/polygamy+case+hears+tradition+monogamous+unions/4087160/story.html)
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Here is more as to why the article you posted was complete sh*t -
http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Babies+often+tortured+fundamentalist+polygamists+Witness/4100427/story.html (http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Babies+often+tortured+fundamentalist+polygamists+Witness/4100427/story.html)
Water torture of babies is one way some members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints instil fear of authority, a former member testified Wednesday.
“It’s quite common,” Carolyn Blackmore Jessop said.
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Decriminalizing+polygamy+would+breach+Canadian+obligations/4071986/story.html (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Decriminalizing+polygamy+would+breach+Canadian+obligations/4071986/story.html)
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Unreal. coming to the USA eventually.
...and probably starting in Utah