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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41149562/ns/politics-more_politics/?gt1=43001
BIRMINGHAM, Alabama — Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley told a church crowd just moments into his new administration that those who have not accepted Jesus as their savior are not his brothers and sisters, shocking some critics who questioned whether he can be fair to non-Christians.
"Anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, I'm telling you, you're not my brother and you're not my sister, and I want to be your brother," Bentley said Monday, his inauguration day, according to The Birmingham News.
The Anti-Defamation League on Tuesday called Bentley's remarks shocking.
"His comments are not only offensive, but also raise serious questions as to whether non-Christians can expect to receive equal treatment during his tenure as governor," said Bill Nigut, the ADL's regional director.
Speaking at Dexter Avenue King Memorial Church after the official inaugural ceremony, Bentley told the crowd that he considered anyone who believed in Jesus to be his brothers and sisters regardless of color, but anyone who isn't a Christian doesn't have that same relationship to him.
"If the Holy Spirit lives in you that makes you my brothers and sisters. Anyone who has not accepted Jesus, I want to be your brothers and sisters, too," Bentley said.
After his speech, Bentley said he did not mean to insult anyoneResponding to questions about it, Bentley's office released a statement Tuesday saying he believes "he is the governor of all of Alabama."
"The governor clearly stated that he will be the governor of all Alabamians — Democrat, Republican and Independent, young, old, black and white, rich and poor. As stated in his (inaugural) address, Gov. Bentley believes his job is to make everyone's lives better," the statement said.
Ashfaq Taufique, president of the Birmingham Islamic Society, told The Birmingham News he wasn't sure how Bentley's remarks were intended.
"Does it mean that those who according to him are not saved are less important than those who are saved?" Taufique said.
"Does he want those of us who do not belong to the Christian faith to adopt his faith? That should be toned down," he added. "That's not what we need. If he means that, I hope he changes it. We don't want evangelical politicians. They can be whatever in their private life."
The official with the Anti-Defamation League, which fights discrimination against Jewish people, said it sounded like Bentley was using the office of governor to advocate for Christian conversion.
"If he does so, he is dancing dangerously close to a violation of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which forbids government from promoting the establishment of any religion," Nigut said.
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Insane.
What a fucking ass.
People like this make me want to puke.
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Anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, I'm telling you, you're not my brother and you're not my sister, and I want to be your brother," Bentley said Monday, his inauguration day, according to The Birmingham News.
And I want to be your brother-
Big deal. Sounds like a typical Evangelist. Unless he straps a bomb to his chest and blows up a supermarket frequented by non Christians, I couldn't care less about this story.
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Anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, I'm telling you, you're not my brother and you're not my sister, and I want to be your brother," Bentley said Monday, his inauguration day, according to The Birmingham News.
And I want to be your brother-
Big deal. Sounds like a typical Evangelist. Unless he straps a bomb to his chest and blows up a supermarket frequented by non Christians, I couldn't care less about this story.
yeah but he's not an evagelist - he's the governor
just change the religion to Judaism, Islam or even change it to an atheist and imagine him making a similar comment in that same context
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I realy just ont think people in a Gov position shouldbe saying shit like that, even if they believe it.
Total crap IMHO. I might agree with this guy on 90% of other issues, bu if e tries this nonsense with me, would it really be worth alienating a guy like me over something like this?
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Disgusting. Of course many xian zealots will choose to (selectively) ignore this or silently support it.
As a governor he should focus on running his state, not acting like the Pope.
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Bad timing maybe, poor choice of words perhaps, but what he said is simply part of Christianity and you can't expect a devote Christian not to believe these things:
Jesus said:
'For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
Matthew 12:50 (New International Version, ©2010)
"Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
John 6:28-29
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"
Matthew 28:19
“But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you."
Luke 6:27-28
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yeah but he's not an evagelist - he's the governor
just change the religion to Judaism, Islam or even change it to an atheist and imagine him making a similar comment in that same context
The two are not mutually exclusive. Evangelicals are a branch of Christianity. Many (if not most) Christians down south share the same views. He is the governor of Alabama- elected by the people of Alabama. I'm sure that they knew he was an evangelist before the elected him. When people like Cynthia McKinney and Bernie Sanders are elected to office (among others who are convicted criminals, tax cheats, atheists, etc.) and make statements most people find reprehensible, its the same story. The constituents who elected them into office agreed with their point of view or didn't care about it. It cuts both ways.
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Anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, I'm telling you, you're not my brother and you're not my sister, and I want to be your brother," Bentley said Monday, his inauguration day, according to The Birmingham News.
And I want to be your brother-
Big deal. Sounds like a typical Evangelist. Unless he straps a bomb to his chest and blows up a supermarket frequented by non Christians, I couldn't care less about this story.
Apologists tell me that blowing yourself up in a market full of women and children is no different from this guy's words. In-fact, his actions might even be worse. ::)
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Look at this guy! How dare he?
John Jay, one of the framers of the Constitution, was appointed by George Washington in 1789 to be the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States (and later served two terms as governor of New York). He wrote, in a private letter(1797) to clergyman Jedidiah Morse:
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.
It is to be regretted, but so I believe the fact to be, that except the Bible there is not a true history in the world. Whatever may be the virtue, discernment, and industry of the writers, I am persuaded that truth and error (though in different degrees) will imperceptibly become and remain mixed and blended until they shall be separated forever by the great and last refining fire."
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Look at this guy! How dare he?
John Jay, one of the framers of the Constitution, was appointed by George Washington in 1789 to be the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States (and later served two terms as governor of New York). He wrote, in a private letter(1797) to clergyman Jedidiah Morse:
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.
It is to be regretted, but so I believe the fact to be, that except the Bible there is not a true history in the world. Whatever may be the virtue, discernment, and industry of the writers, I am persuaded that truth and error (though in different degrees) will imperceptibly become and remain mixed and blended until they shall be separated forever by the great and last refining fire."
one is a private letter
the other is an inaugural address
There is a Muslim congressman from Minnesota
If he made a comment like this Fox New would be covering it 24/7 as a sign of the apocolypse and Glen Beck would do nothing but weep for an entire show
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Oh please Dear God, don't make me agree with Straw on something. Please, please please please.
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Loco on everything except the illegal immigrant menace, I think we are in complete agreement on political issues. I'd like to present you with a dual honorary degree in poly/sci- public relations from the Getbig.Com's Online Institute For Advanced Conservative Studies. This prestigious Online University is the first of its kind and was founded at 2:45pm eastern standard time on January 19th, 2011.
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one is a private letter
the other is an inaugural address
There is a Muslim congressman from Minnesota
If he made a comment like this Fox New would be covering it 24/7 as a sign of the apocolypse and Glen Beck would do nothing but weep for an entire show
He would never make such a comment because he is on thin ice to begin with and Muslims are inherently dangerous and violent people.
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Oh please Dear God, don't make me agree with Straw on something. Please, please please please.
it's just one of your brief moments of sanity
don't worry - it will pass soon
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one is a private letter
the other is an inaugural address
There is a Muslim congressman from Minnesota
If he made a comment like this Fox New would be covering it 24/7 as a sign of the apocolypse and Glen Beck would do nothing but weep for an entire show
Keith Ellison has ties to more than one Islamic supremacist group that should probably be labeled terrorist organizations.
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Keith Ellison has ties to more than one Islamic supremacist group that should probably be labeled terrorist organizations.
Straw has ties to a genital washing military dictatorship in the Congo. Allegedly their mission is simple; force all Africans to wash their genitals under threat of violence. Straw travels from village to village with his rainbow clad band of mercenaries carrying a sponge and a scrub bucket filled with tepid water and Mr.Clean. I'm not sure if you can designate an armed resistance group enacting a "social program" funded by the stimulus bill as a terrorist organization, but matters are clearly leaning in that direction.
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one is a private letter
the other is an inaugural address
There is a Muslim congressman from Minnesota
If he made a comment like this Fox New would be covering it 24/7 as a sign of the apocolypse and Glen Beck would do nothing but weep for an entire show
What about this guy? How dare he?
George Washington
Circular letter of farewell to the Army, 8 June 1783:
I now make it my earnest prayer, that God would have you, and the State over which you preside, in his holy protection, that he would incline the hearts of the Citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to Government, to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another, for their fellow Citizens of the United States at large, and particularly for their brethren who have served in the Field, and finally, that he would most graciously be pleased to dispose us all, to do Justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that Charity, humility and pacific temper of mind, which were the Characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion, and without an humble imitation of whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy Nation.
First Inaugural Address, 30 April 1789:
No people can be bound to acknowledge and adore the invisible hand, which conducts the Affairs of men more than the People of the United States. Every step, by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation, seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency.
First Inaugural Address, 30 April 1789:
The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained.
Farewell Address, 1796:
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens.… And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion.… Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.
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Straw has ties to a genital washing military dictatorship in the Congo. Allegedly their mission is simple; force all Africans to wash their genitals under threat of violence. Straw travels from village to village with his rainbow clad band of mercenaries carrying a sponge and a scrub bucket filled with tepid water and Mr.Clean. I'm not sure if you can designate an armed resistance group enacting a "social program" funded by the stimulus bill as a terrorist organization, but matters are clearly leaning in that direction.
;D
You're going to make him cry.
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Loco on everything except the illegal immigrant menace, I think we are in complete agreement on political issues. I'd like to present you with a dual honorary degree in poly/sci- public relations from the Getbig.Com's Online Institute For Advanced Conservative Studies. This prestigious Online University is the first of its kind and was founded at 2:45pm eastern standard time on January 19th, 2011.
Well, thank you very much, Chancellor George Whorewell! :)
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What about this guy? How dare he?
George Washington
Circular letter of farewell to the Army, 8 June 1783:
I now make it my earnest prayer, that God would have you, and the State over which you preside, in his holy protection, that he would incline the hearts of the Citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to Government, to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another, for their fellow Citizens of the United States at large, and particularly for their brethren who have served in the Field, and finally, that he would most graciously be pleased to dispose us all, to do Justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that Charity, humility and pacific temper of mind, which were the Characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion, and without an humble imitation of whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy Nation.
First Inaugural Address, 30 April 1789:
No people can be bound to acknowledge and adore the invisible hand, which conducts the Affairs of men more than the People of the United States. Every step, by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation, seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency.
First Inaugural Address, 30 April 1789:
The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained.
Farewell Address, 1796:
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens.… And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion.… Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.
Pffffft, "George Washington...." ::)
;D
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Straw has ties to a genital washing military dictatorship in the Congo. Allegedly their mission is simple; force all Africans to wash their genitals under threat of violence. Straw travels from village to village with his rainbow clad band of mercenaries carrying a sponge and a scrub bucket filled with tepid water and Mr.Clean. I'm not sure if you can designate an armed resistance group enacting a "social program" funded by the stimulus bill as a terrorist organization, but matters are clearly leaning in that direction.
LoL. I was wondering how long it would take to run out of something relevent to say.
You just can't stop thinking about washing male genitals. Why don't you just come out of the closet already. No one will think any less of you than they already do.
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Well, at least he's up front about....
But, being that many Latino's and W. Africans are overwhelmingly Christian---how does he feel about deporting a illegal who is his "brother" or "sister"? ;)
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I still think this is one of those things you just STFU about even if you feel that way.
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What about this guy? How dare he?
George Washington
Circular letter of farewell to the Army, 8 June 1783:
I now make it my earnest prayer, that God would have you, and the State over which you preside, in his holy protection, that he would incline the hearts of the Citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to Government, to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another, for their fellow Citizens of the United States at large, and particularly for their brethren who have served in the Field, and finally, that he would most graciously be pleased to dispose us all, to do Justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that Charity, humility and pacific temper of mind, which were the Characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion, and without an humble imitation of whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy Nation.
First Inaugural Address, 30 April 1789:
No people can be bound to acknowledge and adore the invisible hand, which conducts the Affairs of men more than the People of the United States. Every step, by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation, seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency.
First Inaugural Address, 30 April 1789:
The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained.
Farewell Address, 1796:
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens.… And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion.… Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.
None of those comments are divisive
The governor is telling the citizens of his stae that unless you share his thoughts and beliefs he will view you disticntly different from those who do. The "good news" is that all you have to do is adopt his beliefs and then he will consider you a brother/sister
Very concilliatory of him
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I would say to him - "hey asshole - how are you cutting spending, regulation, mandates and taxes?"
If he piped up with the Jesus stuff, "Ceasar wanted 10%, why should anyone pay a dime more?"
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I still think this is one of those things you just STFU about even if you feel that way.
Well, he comes from a long line of Souther Governors/Statesman who have either inserted foot into mouth or went off on a tangent...Strom Thurmon and George Wallace come to mind...
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I would say to him - "hey asshole - how are you cutting spending, regulation, mandates and taxes?"
If he piped up with the Jesus stuff, "Ceasar wanted 10%, why should anyone pay a dime more?"
Racist post reported.
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Racist post reported.
Ha ha ha ha - it is what it is.
I am not big on the holy rollers. I can tolerate them as most o the time I am 90% on the same page on other issues, but some things should just be left alone.
I'm a live and let live type. Leave me the fuck alone, and I will leave you the hell alone too.
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What about this guy? How dare he?
George Washington
Circular letter of farewell to the Army, 8 June 1783:
I now make it my earnest prayer, that God would have you, and the State over which you preside, in his holy protection, that he would incline the hearts of the Citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to Government, to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another, for their fellow Citizens of the United States at large, and particularly for their brethren who have served in the Field, and finally, that he would most graciously be pleased to dispose us all, to do Justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that Charity, humility and pacific temper of mind, which were the Characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion, and without an humble imitation of whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy Nation.
First Inaugural Address, 30 April 1789:
No people can be bound to acknowledge and adore the invisible hand, which conducts the Affairs of men more than the People of the United States. Every step, by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation, seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency.
First Inaugural Address, 30 April 1789:
The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained.
Farewell Address, 1796:
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens.… And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion.… Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.
You are the man lolo. :)
How about Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address:
Fellow-Countrymen:
AT this second appearing to take the oath of the Presidential office there is less occasion for an extended address than there was at the first. Then a statement somewhat in detail of a course to be pursued seemed fitting and proper. Now, at the expiration of four years, during which public declarations have been constantly called forth on every point and phase of the great contest which still absorbs the attention and engrosses the energies of the nation, little that is new could be presented. The progress of our arms, upon which all else chiefly depends, is as well known to the public as to myself, and it is, I trust, reasonably satisfactory and encouraging to all. With high hope for the future, no prediction in regard to it is ventured.
On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it, all sought to avert it. While the inaugural address was being delivered from this place, devoted altogether to saving the Union without war, urgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war—seeking to dissolve the Union and divide effects by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war, but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish, and the war came.
One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."
With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.
http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres32.html
Pretty sad that we've gone from a man as great as Lincoln who acknowledges the important role faith plays in the lives of Americans, to a president who omits faith-based phrases from the Declaration of Independence.
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Again. None of the other examples of references to religious beliefs are divisive statements
This governor is telling all the citizens of his state that if they don't share his specific religious belief then he views them differently than those citizens who do share his religious belief. This guy is so utterly tone deaf that he appears unaware how offensive and divisive such a statement is.
Hey, all you have to do is abandon your own "false" beliefs and start believing exactly what he believes and he think of you as a brother/sister too
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If this were a muslim governor and he said that non muslims should be killed I bet none of the liberal goof troop would say a word.
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If this were a muslim governor and he said that non muslims should be killed I bet none of the liberal goof troop would say a word.
That's absurd