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This stems back from his 2005-2006 part time WWE run...
In regards to the public reaction to Summerslam, and his treatment as an employee, he said:
“ Last year at SummerSlam, I fought Randy Orton – and me and Vince had some problems with the money. Before SummerSlam, I was a little worried because instead of being a main event match I was on fourth against Randy Orton. When I heard about the first three matches at the Fleet Center in Boston and it sounded like a funeral. And when I listened to the crowd reactions to those matches, it did sound like a funeral. Then, when my music came on it was like the old days people were stood up. It was electric. Randy is a great hard working wrestler and we fought an old school style match. That was the most exciting match I've ever had in the Fleet Centre. I wrestled Steve Borden in a cage, which was a great match in my opinion at least, but this one was better as after second-guessing I was like 'Oh my god, it still works'. Then Vince went out with his son and wrestled Triple H and Shawn Michaels and it was dead against. John Cena went on for the main event, and people started leaving for God sake.”
He also spoke extensively on his payment (rightfully so... he only carried the company and put WWE on the map for the entire decade of the eighties and into the ninties), and his concerns of not being a top priority to Vince McMahon, despite the fact that he felt he was the company's biggest draw:
“ I felt bad when the night ended, as they should have put me on later, but it was the money that really got to me. I swore I would never talk about the money again with Vince because that's what we always argue about. But when I saw the amount I got, it was like one of my driver's paychecks, so I had to say something. He replied, 'Well you're not the only big guy any more, there are now 12 big guys.' I said, 'Well if that's the case let me explain something to you, I heard the first three matches and nothing. I wrestled and I heard what happened. And then I heard your match Vince and nothing. And I saw Cena, and people were leaving. I had a hard time getting out the building because of all the people marching through. 'So who are the other 11 big guys you're splitting my money with?'
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I don't know all the details.
Maybe Hogan has a legitimate gripe.
But, he also needs to rembember that THIS AIN'T 1986 ANYMORE...BROTHER!!!
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I don't know all the details.
Maybe Hogan has a legitimate gripe.
But, he also needs to rembember that THIS AIN'T 1986 ANYMORE...BROTHER!!!
I bet Hogan could still draw more than Cena. :)
Maybe not put on a better match, but he could outdraw Cena right now.
Most guys these days don't seem like they know how to work. I think Randy Orton is probably one of the best in that company, on the mic and in the ring.
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I bet Hogan could still draw more than Cena. :)
Maybe not put on a better match, but he could outdraw Cena right now.
Most guys these days don't seem like they know how to work. I think Randy Orton is probably one of the best in that company, on the mic and in the ring.
Cena is over with the crowd they have.
Hogan would be over with a much bigger crowd that he would attract.
Yes - Hogan would easily outdraw Cena; even in his decrepitly geriatric state, but as a special attraction.
I don't think Hogan's superior drawing power would last as a member of the regular roster.
And, I'm not very "into" the character, but I also agree with you about Orton.
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Cena is over with the crowd they have.
Hogan would be over with a much bigger crowd that he would attract.
Yes - Hogan would easily outdraw Cena; even in his decrepitly geriatric state, but as a special attraction.
I don't think Hogan's superior drawing power would last as a member of the regular roster.
And, I'm not very "into" the character, but I also agree with you about Orton.
I haven't watched recently, but Ortons heel character reminded me or HHH back in his heel days.
I can't even begin to tell you anything about these "Nexus" guys or any of the newer guys. I can't remember the last guy I saw that stood out to me the way Orton does.
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I haven't watched recently, but Ortons heel character reminded me or HHH back in his heel days.
I can't even begin to tell you anything about these "Nexus" guys or any of the newer guys. I can't remember the last guy I saw that stood out to me the way Orton does.
Orton is a great heel because the stories are stacking up about his backstage behaviour and arrogance. He is a heel in real life too. Bet his coworkers must throw up in their mouths when he turns baby face. He is the complete package in a wrestler and the only thing standing in his way is some bad wiring in his head. I guess if he manages it and avoids career ending injuries he should be fine.
He feels like royalty I guess. Entitled and untouchable. Or he's a great guy fooling everyone by playing a bastard persona 24/7.
As for Nexus, mixed bunch with only Wade Barrett showing any personality. The rest are just goons, but I think the redhead is purty. Bloody weird accent on him though.
Vince cobbling Hulk Hogan over money wouldn't surprise me. He didn't get the billions by being nice.
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I bet Hogan could still draw more than Cena. :)
Maybe not put on a better match, but he could outdraw Cena right now.
Most guys these days don't seem like they know how to work. I think Randy Orton is probably one of the best in that company, on the mic and in the ring.
I agree 100%. But at least he didn't hold Vince up or refuse to go out like the other face painted ding bat.
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I agree 100%. But at least he didn't hold Vince up or refuse to go out like the other face painted ding bat.
Excellent point.
It seemed that Hogan was always professional in such matters with Vince.
However, it still bugs me how he stormed out of the WCW arena with the belt, the night Russo wanted him to job to Booker T.
That was the night Booker defeated Jarrett (instead), and they had to give him a replica belt from the souvenir stand.
However Hogan felt was wrong, but what he did wasn't right, either, and was very unfair to Booker, who'd worked his ass off and deserved his push.
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Excellent point.
It seemed that Hogan was always professional in such matters with Vince.
However, it still bugs me how he stormed out of the WCW arena with the belt, the night Russo wanted him to job to Booker T.
That was the night Booker defeated Jarrett (instead), and they had to give him a replica belt from the souvenir stand.
However Hogan felt was wrong, but what he did wasn't right, either, and was very unfair to Booker, who'd worked his ass off and deserved his push.
Creative Control.....can you dig it sucka!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LOL!!!
I guess you can't blame him for exercising his "too much power."
But, Russo was a total dick, so I suppose when they couldn't reach an agreement...
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Hogan seem right in this incident, but like Monty said about the WCW deal, he has long thought of himself as way above the business.
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Hogan seem right in this incident, but like Monty said about the WCW deal, he has long thought of himself as way above the business.
Yep.
And, when you have two guys being assholes who won't budge in either direction...
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Yep.
And, when you have two guys being assholes who won't budge in either direction...
I was always surprised that Hogan and VKM could work together as much as they did.....would pay to hear some of those conversations/negotiations...
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Hogan seem right in this incident, but like Monty said about the WCW deal, he has long thought of himself as way above the business.
As he should as he is the one who put pro wrestling on the map. He made alot of people very rich and was recognized by millions. But aside from that, he was a nice guy. Even Bobby Heenan commented that Hogan although had his own dressing room he would let the boys change withhim or he would change with the boys and other perks like his limo service which he let some of the guys ride in with him. He wasn't a prick. Russo was a jackass in general. Who else would make David Arquette champion and expect people to eat it. Hogan should have cracked him one.
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I believe that Russo was the bigger asshole in that case.
Everybody has their moments, though.
Hogan refused to drop the WWF belt to Bret before leaving for WCW, which I suspect still pisses off Bret to this day.
There was a lot of emotion in that section of his book.
Bret also refused to put Shawn over for the belt after Shawn refused to put Bret over, etc.
There are many cases where guys have had "that moment."
It's always interesting to see how they ultimately play out.
There's always at least one person left unhappy in the end, and EVERYBODY feels that they were in the right.
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I believe that Russo was the bigger asshole in that case.
Everybody has their moments, though.
Hogan refused to drop the WWF belt to Bret before leaving for WCW, which I suspect still pisses off Bret to this day.
There was a lot of emotion in that section of his book.
Bret also refused to put Shawn over for the belt after Shawn refused to put Bret over, etc.
There are many cases where guys have had "that moment."
It's always interesting to see how they ultimately play out.
There's always at least one person left unhappy in the end, and EVERYBODY feels that they were in the right.
Warrior takes the cake...."I won't go out there unless you give me half a million dollars upfront" .... tell me that's not asking to be "spoken to" by the boys. Lol..
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Warrior takes the cake...."I won't go out there unless you give me half a million dollars upfront" .... tell me that's not asking to be "spoken to" by the boys. Lol..
Had he played his cards right and was opened to evolving as a character and ring worker, Hellwig could have ended up an industry legend.
Instead, he is a legend only in his own mind; and maybe to a couple hundred uneducated UW marks sprinkled throughout the universe.
I believe he had a great deal of potential, but was too damn dumb and stubborn to nurture & develop it.
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Had he played his cards right and was opened to evolving as a character and ring worker, Hellwig could have ended up an industry legend.
Instead, he is a legend only in his own mind; and maybe to a couple hundred uneducated UW marks sprinkled throughout the universe.
I believe he had a great deal of potential, but was too damn dumb and stubborn to nurture & develop it.
And he still made millions through his stupid lawsuits, wrestling, etc. He is only one to have ever stuck it to Vince.
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And he still made millions through his stupid lawsuits, wrestling, etc. He is only one to have ever stuck it to Vince.
The only wrestler to have come close was Jesse Ventura.
He successfully sued Vince for, I think, around $800K over Coliseum Home Video royalties.
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As he should as he is the one who put pro wrestling on the map. He made alot of people very rich and was recognized by millions. But aside from that, he was a nice guy. Even Bobby Heenan commented that Hogan although had his own dressing room he would let the boys change withhim or he would change with the boys and other perks like his limo service which he let some of the guys ride in with him. He wasn't a prick. Russo was a jackass in general. Who else would make David Arquette champion and expect people to eat it. Hogan should have cracked him one.
I don't really see it that Hogan is "above the business." He would have NOTHING without it....playing bass guitar in some shitty band, hanging out at the beach..... he at least owes wrestling as much as it does him. He certainly made himself, and some people, a boatload of money and some would argue he is what opened the door for the boom of the 90's, but I guess I don't see it as much because growing up in the Mid-Atlantic area I always thought wrestling was a big deal and viewed the WWF of the 80's as silly, comic book shit.
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I don't really see it that Hogan is "above the business." He would have NOTHING without it....playing bass guitar in some shitty band, hanging out at the beach..... he at least owes wrestling as much as it does him. He certainly made himself, and some people, a boatload of money and some would argue he is what opened the door for the boom of the 90's, but I guess I don't see it as much because growing up in the Mid-Atlantic area I always thought wrestling was a big deal and viewed the WWF of the 80's as silly, comic book shit.
I think Hogan was a big popular name that HELPED pro wrestling and made it mainstream collectively with guys like Rick Flair, Randy Savage, etc, etc. But he definately should ever be greatful to his successes to the business. Likeyou said, Show, he was a big kid playing base guitar working as a longshoreman on and off. What pisses me off is how Rick Flair isn't as recognized for those same attributes just because he was in Mid -Atlantic.
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Wrestling historians recognize Flair for his attributes.
I think a lot has to do with Hogan's reach beyond wrestling.
If Flair had done the appearances on SNL, Sports Illustrated, MTV, movies, national TV commercials, etc., then I believe he would have gotten more of the Hogan-type notoriety.
Flair was huge in the industry.
Hogan was huge in and also beyond the industry.
You can thank the old man (VKM) for that.
It took his visions and aspirations to allow Hogan's abilities to reach their heights, and it took Hogan to enable Vince's visions to come to fruition.
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Flair is like the DeNiro of wrestling, at least the DeNiro of old. Those in the "know" recognize his incredible ability.
Hogan is like Arnie......boat load of hit movies and cash, but not recognized for his "craft" like others.
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Flair is like the DeNiro of wrestling, at least the DeNiro of old. Those in the "know" recognize his incredible ability.
Hogan is like Arnie......boat load of hit movies and cash, but not recognized for his "craft" like others.
That's probably the best analogy I've ever read regarding those two.
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That's probably the best analogy I've ever read regarding those two.
Lol....I was about to say the same thing.
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Thanks fellas. ;D
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Thanks fellas. ;D
Show, your the official "analyst" of the situations posted.
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Flair is like the DeNiro of wrestling, at least the DeNiro of old. Those in the "know" recognize his incredible ability.
Hogan is like Arnie......boat load of hit movies and cash, but not recognized for his "craft" like others.
Please, please tell me you did not just compare Hogan to Arnold.
Back on topic, sure he might get a pop like that one time. It happens quite often. Let him stick around a while and listen to the silence when he comes out.
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Please, please tell me you did not just compare Hogan to Arnold.
Back on topic, sure he might get a pop like that one time. It happens quite often. Let him stick around a while and listen to the silence when he comes out.
Uh, I meant that his work in wrestling is comparable to Arnie's in movies......both made a shitload of money, but they are not considered masters of their craft by people within their fields.
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Uh, I meant that his work in wrestling is comparable to Arnie's in movies......both made a shitload of money, but they are not considered masters of their craft by people within their fields.
I know what you meant, but it still hurt.
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Cena is over with the crowd they have.
Hogan would be over with a much bigger crowd that he would attract.
Yes - Hogan would easily outdraw Cena; even in his decrepitly geriatric state, but as a special attraction.
I don't think Hogan's superior drawing power would last as a member of the regular roster.
And, I'm not very "into" the character, but I also agree with you about Orton.
If Hogan could outdraw Cena, TNA would be on top of WWE. At some point, the new stars have to be born. Hogan can hardly WALK, much less wrestle these days.
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If Hogan could outdraw Cena, TNA would be on top of WWE. At some point, the new stars have to be born. Hogan can hardly WALK, much less wrestle these days.
That's why I added the qualifier, "as a special attraction."
In my post you quoted, I admitted that it's doubtful that Hogan's superior drawing power would last as a member of the regular roster, which is exactly what he is in TNA.
I've always maintained that Dixie should reserve her "north of 60 stars" for special occasions...and even then, know how to use them.
That means realizing that you can't put Hogan & Flair into a regular match and expect to recreate the "Monday Night Wars."
Remember the 1st episode of IMPACT! that aired live?
The Hogan/Flair match was painful.
Actually, I believe that having guys like Hogan & Flair around on a regular basis in any capacity diminishes their value.
Hogan needs to realize that, too.
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That's why I added the qualifier, "as a special attraction."
In my post you quoted, I admitted that it's doubtful that Hogan's superior drawing power would last as a member of the regular roster, which is exactly what he is in TNA.
I've always maintained that Dixie should reserve her "north of 60 stars" for special occasions...and even then, know how to use them.
That means realizing that you can't put Hogan & Flair into a regular match and expect to recreate the "Monday Night Wars."
Remember the 1st episode of IMPACT! that aired live?
The Hogan/Flair match was painful.
Actually, I believe that having guys like Hogan & Flair around on a regular basis in any capacity diminishes their value.
Hogan needs to realize that, too.
Didn't Hogan just come off a second back surgury?
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Didn't Hogan just come off a second back surgury?
I believe you're correct.
That may be the one he talked about in interviews, in which he threw out his back picking up seashells with his (then) fiance.
Or, maybe this was the surgery after that.
Still, if used properly (and sparingly) Hogan could bring in money.
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I believe you're correct.
That may be the one he talked about in interviews, in which he threw out his back picking up seashells with his (then) fiance.
Or, maybe this was the surgery after that.
Still, if used properly (and sparingly) Hogan could bring in money.
Very easily. Same with Flair. TNA needs to use these guys sporiodically just like Vince McMahon did with Andre back in the mid to late eighties and early nineties so they don't wear out their welcome so to speak.
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I've always wanted them to give Flair a shot at being a color analyst. He could get over so many guys that way. i mean, he is the greatest shit-talker of all-time, no question. Wrestle only on occasion, if at all.
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I've always wanted them to give Flair a shot at being a color analyst. He could get over so many guys that way. i mean, he is the greatest shit-talker of all-time, no question. Wrestle only on occasion, if at all.
And he's got a limosiene a mile long with 25 women sitting in it waiting for him to go "Whoa whoa!" ;D
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Very easily. Same with Flair. TNA needs to use these guys sporiodically just like Vince McMahon did with Andre back in the mid to late eighties and early nineties so they don't wear out their welcome so to speak.
...and bodies, for that matter.
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And he's got a limosiene a mile long with 25 women sitting in it waiting for him to go "Whoa whoa!" ;D
Exactly. Flair may not have the "look" anymore, which would be perfect to just hear him more. Talking trash, throwing in old-school references, etc... would be gold imo.
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...and bodies, for that matter.
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Absolutely :) I wonder though just how bad Hogan's back is. Flair has been wrestling since the early seventies and he's had somewhat lady luck on his side when it comes to injuries. Never really had any that I could recall unless you wanna bring up the 1975 plane crash that put him out for a year but aside from that?
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Exactly. Flair may not have the "look" anymore, which would be perfect to just hear him more. Talking trash, throwing in old-school references, etc... would be gold imo.
"You give this 200 dollar shirt to Magnum TA and you tell him that I will absorb the costs of getting it fitted just right because I want him to be a class act when he gets in the ring with me." Lol ;D
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"You give this 200 dollar shirt to Magnum TA and you tell him that I will absorb the costs of getting it fitted just right because I want him to be a class act when he gets in the ring with me." Lol ;D
haha....he just had a million of them....new fans would get them for the first time and we vets would probably love them even more now......just a win/win. "Lookin' as only i can look....whooooooo !!!!"
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haha....he just had a million of them....new fans would get them for the first time and we vets would probably love them even more now......just a win/win. "Lookin' as only i can look....whooooooo !!!!"
I love the story he told on his dvd when he elaborated that in one promo he cut with the horsemen that after the show he was staying at the Marriot hotel accross the street in room 308 and sure enough, after the show all the women flooded the hotel and he had women coming and going from his suite. He said it cost him his first marriage when his wife found out. Lol..
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I love the story he told on his dvd when he elaborated that in one promo he cut with the horsemen that after the show he was staying at the Marriot hotel accross the street in room 308 and sure enough, after the show all the women flooded the hotel and he had women coming and going from his suite. He said it cost him his first marriage when his wife found out. Lol..
haha, i've heard that story.....i think that is one KEY thing that is missing in todays wrestling.....a real connection with the fans....I mean Flair and the Horseman LIVED their "gimmick" day and night.....so did Dusty, etc... people just don't relate to the wrestlers on that level anymore. Everybody is a "superstar" ::)
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haha, i've heard that story.....i think that is one KEY thing that is missing in todays wrestling.....a real connection with the fans....I mean Flair and the Horseman LIVED their "gimmick" day and night.....so did Dusty, etc... people just don't relate to the wrestlers on that level anymore. Everybody is a "superstar" ::)
What do you mean?
Cena Tweets kayfabe on Twitter.
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What do you mean?
Cena Tweets kayfabe on Twitter.
i think I just threw-up in my mouth a little..... :-X
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That's why I added the qualifier, "as a special attraction."
In my post you quoted, I admitted that it's doubtful that Hogan's superior drawing power would last as a member of the regular roster, which is exactly what he is in TNA.
I've always maintained that Dixie should reserve her "north of 60 stars" for special occasions...and even then, know how to use them.
That means realizing that you can't put Hogan & Flair into a regular match and expect to recreate the "Monday Night Wars."
Remember the 1st episode of IMPACT! that aired live?
The Hogan/Flair match was painful.
Actually, I believe that having guys like Hogan & Flair around on a regular basis in any capacity diminishes their value.
Hogan needs to realize that, too.
WWE is doing that with the Undertaker. That's why he's still popular, after all these years. Wait another month or two. Just when things start getting too out of hand, with a certain heel, those lights will go out and......BONG!!!!!
At this point, it's simply about the streak, for the Deadman.
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Undertaker is also a broken down mess with years of injury and he's had a hip replacement and now shoulder surgery.