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If so, how different does it feel from when you're lifting with normal test levels? What are the differences?
I would also be interested in hearing the difference in guys who juice, and then go off.
I always hear stuff like "I don't go as heavy when I'm off cycle," but I'm more interested in how you feel, rather than just stuff anyone could easily observe. For example: pump, soreness, joints, etc.
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I'm almost 50 years old...what do think?
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I'm almost 50 years old...what do think?
coach im not sure if he wants to include midgets as part of his study ;D
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Well according to this page: http://men.webmd.com/testosterone-15738?page=2
The typical levels for someone age fifty would be between 350-890 ng/dL, and for someone age twenty, 270-1,080 ng/dL, which doesn't seem like a huge difference to me.
I don't know anything about hormones though, really, so I'm interested in learning more about them. I'm wondering if I should get a blood test done because I'm having serious problems in the weight room, and it seems like no matter what I do I can't snap out of it. I always turn to training first, then diet whenever I have a problem, but now I'm starting to wonder if it isn't hormones that are really causing me all this grief.
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Well according to this page: http://men.webmd.com/testosterone-15738?page=2
The typical levels for someone age fifty would be between 350-890 ng/dL, and for someone age twenty, 270-1,080 ng/dL, which doesn't seem like a huge difference to me.
I don't know anything about hormones though, really, so I'm interested in learning more about them. I'm wondering if I should get a blood test done because I'm having serious problems in the weight room, and it seems like no matter what I do I can't snap out of it. I always turn to training first, then diet whenever I have a problem, but now I'm starting to wonder if it isn't hormones that are really causing me all this grief.
Maybe its some kind of mental burn out? You need to be inspired, not working out because you are scared to stop.
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Drinking alcohol?
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Your mom has low testosterone and I work her out all the time.
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Its sucks you feel like shit when you come off and have low test levels. If you eat good and use some good supplements it will make a big difference. Get a lot of rest to.
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Maybe its some kind of mental burn out? You need to be inspired, not working out because you are scared to stop.
This is another possibility. These are stressful and depressing times for me, for many reasons, but overall I don't feel like my mood is that different from a couple years ago, nor my troubles. And back then (maybe 3-4 years) I could go into the gym every time and just do insane workouts, huge pump and soreness every time, consistently make improvements. Compare this with the last two years, where I haven't had more than three consecutive good workouts -- and usually these are spaced out between months of no pump, joint pain, no consistency lifting sessions.
Also no I don't drink any alcohol or do drugs of any kind.
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Its sucks you feel like shit when you come off and have low test levels. If you eat good and use some good supplements it will make a big difference. Get a lot of rest to.
Can you be more specific? What is lifting like once you come off?
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When I had my test levels checked I think it was 177ng/dL. The range it showed on my results was something like low normal starts at 300ng/dL and goes up to high normal at 1200 ng/dL. Definately notice that I don't have the aggression when I train. Joints never hurt much. It was more a muscle soreness that wasn't a good muscle soreness like you get when i worked out when I was younger. Recovery isn't nearly as good. I would love to see what it would be like to have my test levels in the high normal range. Also harder to keep bodyfat level down.
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Its sucks you feel like shit when you come off and have low test levels. If you eat good and use some good supplements it will make a big difference. Get a lot of rest to.
Thats it right there ;)
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When your on testosterone your are much more focused on lifting weights., and you get excited to work out. You get better pumps, and once the blood is flowing you don't want to stop..
5-6 weeks after you stop, the pumps go away, and you don't really want to work out anymore,
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When I had my test levels checked I think it was 177ng/dL. The range it showed on my results was something like low normal starts at 300ng/dL and goes up to high normal at 1200 ng/dL. Definately notice that I don't have the aggression when I train. Joints never hurt much. It was more a muscle soreness that wasn't a good muscle soreness like you get when i worked out when I was younger. Recovery isn't nearly as good. I would love to see what it would be like to have my test levels in the high normal range. Also harder to keep bodyfat level down.
When your on testosterone your are much more focused on lifting weights., and you get excited to work out. You get better pumps, and once the blood is flowing you don't want to stop..
5-6 weeks after you stop, the pumps go away, and you don't really want to work out anymore,
Thanks for these responses! Very helpful. I definitely get the "soreness that isn't a good muscle soreness" in my back a lot these days. I think I'm going to go get checked.
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Spend some time do some research. Get yourself some good test boosters. Right now I'm using hcgenerate 5 caps a day and 25 mg of clomid before bed. I about 40 days out of pretty long test only cycle. I'm feeling good. Cycle the products that you use. When the time is right go to the doctore and get on some hrt.
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For me training drive increases when off. Yeah I know it should be just the opposite. ::) :D
On steroids I have to force myself to go to the gym, force myself to warm up... then I might hit a zone where I feel the drive to go mental. When it happens the workouts are fantastic. But basically, for me, steroids = lazy, sleepy and uninspired.
When off strength goes down of course but the major thing is endurance with heavy sets. On drugs I can do a set with heavy loads and then go again and again after resting with little drop in strength. When off strength plummets dramatically after the first 'working set'.
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cephissus sounds like your probably overtraining. try staying away from failure.
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For me training drive increases when off. Yeah I know it should be just the opposite. ::) :D
On steroids I have to force myself to go to the gym, force myself to warm up... then I might hit a zone where I feel the drive to go mental. When it happens the workouts are fantastic. But basically, for me, steroids = lazy, sleepy and uninspired.
When off strength goes down of course but the major thing is endurance with heavy sets. On drugs I can do a set with heavy loads and then go again and again after resting with little drop in strength. When off strength plummets dramatically after the first 'working set'.
Same thing happens to me man. Seems when Im on I feel more sluggish and lethargic.
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Well according to this page: http://men.webmd.com/testosterone-15738?page=2
The typical levels for someone age fifty would be between 350-890 ng/dL, and for someone age twenty, 270-1,080 ng/dL, which doesn't seem like a huge difference to me.
I don't know anything about hormones though, really, so I'm interested in learning more about them. I'm wondering if I should get a blood test done because I'm having serious problems in the weight room, and it seems like no matter what I do I can't snap out of it. I always turn to training first, then diet whenever I have a problem, but now I'm starting to wonder if it isn't hormones that are really causing me all this grief.
try 5000 mg of test a week for awhile,that will snap you out of it.
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cephissus sounds like your probably overtraining. try staying away from failure.
Last week I decided to cut my volume in half, essentially. Instead of hitting everything twice a week, I just do roughly the same workout but only once per week. Only lifting MWF and like one or two exercises per muscle group a couple top sets max. It might sound funny, but I can't even go to failure most of the time. My muscles don't even feel like they're working even though the weight is moving, and I just have to stop once my joints start hurting.
If "overtraining" is the problem, I would expect an improvement after dropping to once a week. Just got back from the gym though, and everything went even worse than last week! :'( Today was the worst I've felt in a while. Absolutely nothing worked. Muscles completely dead. Nevertheless I'll stick to this reduced training load for another month or so and see what happens.
I've heard of people "overtraining" for long periods of time, and then having to take months off or even years to recover. I really don't want to even think about that, but it does seem like a possibility. I hit it very, very hard for a long, long time before wising up. I've never actually met or talked to anyone who had this problem though, so I don't know how they diagnosed themselves.
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Sounds like low test to me, alright.
Bad psychological hits can cause you to feel like your test has crashed. Usually temporary, but it can be a long term problem if the mental hit was especially bad. I guess that's why test is a known medication for depression.
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Your mom has low testosterone and I work her out all the time.
focus on the task at hand please.
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For me training drive increases when off. Yeah I know it should be just the opposite. ::) :D
On steroids I have to force myself to go to the gym, force myself to warm up... then I might hit a zone where I feel the drive to go mental. When it happens the workouts are fantastic. But basically, for me, steroids = lazy, sleepy and uninspired.
When off strength goes down of course but the major thing is endurance with heavy sets. On drugs I can do a set with heavy loads and then go again and again after resting with little drop in strength. When off strength plummets dramatically after the first 'working set'.
THIS x 10
I've never worked out as insane as when I was single and drug free
No chix, no beer, no weed or roids = insane gym warrior
Thats when I did my ultra slow rep German volume training. Most insane workout I've ever done. Great results. :o
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If "overtraining" is the problem, I would expect an improvement after dropping to once a week. Just got back from the gym though, and everything went even worse than last week! :'( Today was the worst I've felt in a while. Absolutely nothing worked. Muscles completely dead. Nevertheless I'll stick to this reduced training load for another month or so and see what happens.
You need to get a burger and go for a walk. Time to chill and smell the roses, maybe go to a pub for a frosty beverage.
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coach im not sure if he wants to include midgets as part of his study ;D
Nor gigantic muslims? By the way, I am both very short and extremely old. My testosterone level is nearly nonexistent and I still train, albeit with moderate success. Nothing to write home about, but honesty is never unwelcome news. It can be done.
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Nor gigantic muslims? By the way, I am both very short and extremely old. My testosterone level is nearly nonexistent and I still train, albeit with moderate success. Nothing to write home about, but honesty is never unwelcome news. It can be done.
nope midget here too by amreekan standards ;)
don't be too hard on yourself old man, the 'testiness' toward us muslim folks comes from somewhere :P
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28 years old and it sucks ass. The overall aggressiveness is much less and when its really low say in the double diget count, you lose all ALPHA MALE type qualities and turn into a bitch.
Got testicular cancer and lost one of the boys in 08 and ever since levels never go over 200 amount and i get a 300MG test shot every other week (fuk the cream shit).
Weight ranges from 190-210 depending on food and work schedule but bodyfat levels probably around the 12-14%. Been hittin it non stop since 13 and never juiced up but think about doing it more and more every day.
Next doc visit Ima see if i can get him to up it to 300MG test shot a week and see what that does.
yup!
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cell tech twice a day one in morning and after workout,,,
4 protein shakes/day nitrotech before and after workout
novadex xt 3x/day
gasparia size on before workout
superpump advanced gasparir pre workout
plasmajet gasparia once/day
this will increase test levels 10x beyond normal for your age,,,do this for 6 weeks and come back on boards tell us how it is
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nope midget here too by amreekan standards ;)
don't be too hard on yourself old man, the 'testiness' toward us muslim folks comes from somewhere :P
My reason for said testiness is this: I have seen things that no human should do to another, and no so called "religion" should espouse. And I am short, old and deemed unattractive by the majority of women in the world. Sad, but true. ;)
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My reason for said testiness is this: I have seen things that no human should do to another, and no so called "religion" should espouse. And I am short, old and deemed unattractive by the majority of women in the world. Sad, but true. ;)
;D
sorry to hear, military man?
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cell tech twice a day one in morning and after workout,,,
4 protein shakes/day nitrotech before and after workout
novadex xt 3x/day
gasparia size on before workout
superpump advanced gasparir pre workout
plasmajet gasparia once/day
this will increase test levels 10x beyond normal for your age,,,do this for 6 weeks and come back on boards tell us how it is
Also be sure to wear "gasp" clothes, you'll be as huge as Branch.
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For me training drive increases when off. Yeah I know it should be just the opposite. ::) :D
On steroids I have to force myself to go to the gym, force myself to warm up... then I might hit a zone where I feel the drive to go mental. When it happens the workouts are fantastic. But basically, for me, steroids = lazy, sleepy and uninspired.
When off strength goes down of course but the major thing is endurance with heavy sets. On drugs I can do a set with heavy loads and then go again and again after resting with little drop in strength. When off strength plummets dramatically after the first 'working set'.
dbol makes me feel this way for sure. Test I feel great and energetic.
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When I had my test levels checked I think it was 177ng/dL. The range it showed on my results was something like low normal starts at 300ng/dL and goes up to high normal at 1200 ng/dL. Definately notice that I don't have the aggression when I train. Joints never hurt much. It was more a muscle soreness that wasn't a good muscle soreness like you get when i worked out when I was younger. Recovery isn't nearly as good. I would love to see what it would be like to have my test levels in the high normal range. Also harder to keep bodyfat level down.
are you able to get your dick up when you need to??...if not, then you have low test....you can still have insane workouts though without high test
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cell tech twice a day one in morning and after workout,,,
4 protein shakes/day nitrotech before and after workout
novadex xt 3x/day
gasparia size on before workout
superpump advanced gasparir pre workout
plasmajet gasparia once/day
this will increase test levels 10x beyond normal for your age,,,do this for 6 weeks and come back on boards tell us how it is
I seriously hope you are kidding.. :)
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For me training drive increases when off. Yeah I know it should be just the opposite. ::) :D
On steroids I have to force myself to go to the gym, force myself to warm up... then I might hit a zone where I feel the drive to go mental. When it happens the workouts are fantastic. But basically, for me, steroids = lazy, sleepy and uninspired.
When off strength goes down of course but the major thing is endurance with heavy sets. On drugs I can do a set with heavy loads and then go again and again after resting with little drop in strength. When off strength plummets dramatically after the first 'working set'.
Always feel better off gear, lower red blood cell count, less water retention, just feel cleaner and more relaxed. Only times i feel better while on is dieting, kind of like there's less in my system so it's running a bit better, and coming off a diet when the body is processing the food better.
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cephissus sounds like your probably overtraining. try staying away from failure.
+1
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I seriously hope you are kidding.. :)
all that sheit has been proven to e 99999...987% more effective in increasing hormone leves than nothing taken,,,
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Go to Dr.....get test....problem fixed.
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Test levels low?
Check out James` "Glorious Glutes" thread!