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Title: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Marty Champions on January 31, 2011, 05:34:40 AM
since all the squats and behined the back barbell deadlifts(hack squats) have gotten me stronger but lower back doesnt feel comfortable hitting these lifts. but nothing else on me is sore

so right now im doing lunges with my 65 pound dumbells. not going down all the way to where knee is hitting the ground but close! i feel this greatly on quads and no stress on lower back!!! my lower back will take some time to heal so ill do plenty of these heavy lunges...i guess a reason why lower back is sore is because it was a weak point in all the exercises but thats no reason to quit lifting!
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Marty Champions on January 31, 2011, 05:45:51 AM
i notice my lower back becomes magically unsore doing the lunges too!
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Tapeworm on January 31, 2011, 05:51:55 AM
Good call, JF.  I've been doing db split squats too + leg press to let some aches get out of the back.  Check out an inversion table, broflies.
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: dj181 on January 31, 2011, 06:13:25 AM
How many reps are ya getting wit dem 65 pound bells?
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Marty Champions on January 31, 2011, 06:15:31 AM
How many reps are ya getting wit dem 65 pound bells?

sets of 15 right now 8 per leg, im having to consume alot of calories, but i like the feel of lunges they seem to dig deep into the quad . i seem to be able to do the weighted pushups no matter what, only mild soreness in chest i just need to do a shitload of volume, i dont always feel up for the one armed pushups
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Marty Champions on January 31, 2011, 06:16:44 AM
How many reps are ya getting wit dem 65 pound bells?

the key for me is not slacking on calories either, there is no growth without epic calories, nor is there epic energy CONSISTENT DAILY ENERGY. NOT STIMULATED IMMEDIATE ONE DAY ONLY ENERGY from COFFEE
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Mr Nobody on January 31, 2011, 06:21:22 AM
i notice my lower back becomes magically unsore doing the lunges too!
Pushing off the heel of your foot will release the pressure even more off the lower back and hit the glutes more which hoes tend to like.
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: The Showstoppa on January 31, 2011, 06:22:36 AM
Pushing off the heel of your foot will release the pressure even more off the lower back and hit the glutes more which hoes tend to like.

Yes, flexibility in the achilles tendon is key...
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: dj181 on January 31, 2011, 06:28:59 AM
Well man, if you consume more calories than your body needs then you will just become a fatass FACT Also, it is possible to gain lean muscle tissue on a calorie deficent diet FACT
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Marty Champions on January 31, 2011, 06:34:48 AM
Well man, if you consume more calories than your body needs then you will just become a fatass FACT. You dont know exactly how much you burn you can make a good estimate but eating more is putting you on the safe and LIKELY side of growth


 Also, it is possible to gain lean muscle tissue on a calorie deficent diet FACT this happens more so after a layoff or happens to a beginner, where are the building materials when in a deficit?

also im not worried about getting fat, this is where "overtraining" and volume come in

overtraining just means your muscles havent been fully rebuilt, either by rest or by food

so doing volume on chest and legs even when they are not full recoverd equals possible more growth stimulation and enhanced fat burning , because everything you eat well be desired by your muscles in an 'overtrained' state. of course some will go to fat too. Some 'experts' call this something like glucose supercompensation or intramuscular supercompensation, this results in more size and more energy

but when you have been overeating for a while and training for a while you dont get fatter , you just maintain what you got or slowly get leaner and stronger
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on January 31, 2011, 07:32:00 AM
Lower back is sometimes like that but don't give up. Keep on soaring high in the sky Johnnay.
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: kevcat on January 31, 2011, 08:02:27 AM
Im in the same boat my friend.Back pains for a while now, so realising i had to stop doing squats for a while to see if it heals up, i tried sets of heavy lunges, and Damn my legs were aching next day much more than they do after squatting the day before :)
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Natural Man on January 31, 2011, 08:16:10 AM
good idea, destroying your back for no purpose, considering nobody cares about the size of your legs "muscles" but you.
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Alex23 on January 31, 2011, 08:21:15 AM
Dear Falclunges,

Most likely your back pain was caused by your piriformis muscle being tensed from all exercises mentioned above and irritating your sciatic nerve which often causes lower back pain but no pain in the legs

Lunges have a gentle way to stretch it and make it and relieve the inflammation almost instantly.

LungesSpeed.
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Marty Champions on February 01, 2011, 04:39:37 AM
Dear Falclunges,

Most likely your back pain was caused by your piriformis muscle being tensed from all exercises mentioned above and irritating your sciatic nerve which often causes lower back pain but no pain in the legs

Lunges have a gentle way to stretch it and make it and relieve the inflammation almost instantly.

LungesSpeed.

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Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: WillGrant on February 01, 2011, 05:06:53 AM
My falcon poo's are looking awesome daddy falcone...god bless lubing my ass pipe with olives oil - take the falcones advice seriously folks
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: tonymctones on February 01, 2011, 05:29:32 AM
sets of 15 right now 8 per leg, im having to consume alot of calories, but i like the feel of lunges they seem to dig deep into the quad . i seem to be able to do the weighted pushups no matter what, only mild soreness in chest i just need to do a shitload of volume, i dont always feel up for the one armed pushups
hmmmm, is this failcon math?
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Marty Champions on February 01, 2011, 05:33:05 AM
hmmmm, is this failcon math?

hahah
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Marty Champions on February 01, 2011, 05:36:15 AM
its stil dificult to do more than 8 sets of 10-15 on dumbell lunges with 65 ppounders

and you get even less reps when doing weighted pushups. its very difficult now i seem to be at a sticking point

i know my max volume for chest has be 120 reps total on weighted pushups with a 40 pound weight on, it takes a good while to do that many and i feel it will be a record thats difficult to break but i dont want to spend al freaking day doing them
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 01, 2011, 05:42:33 AM
its stil dificult to do more than 8 sets of 10-15 on dumbell lunges with 65 ppounders

and you get even less reps when doing weighted pushups. its very difficult now i seem to be at a sticking point

i know my max volume for chest has be 120 reps total on weighted pushups with a 40 pound weight on, it takes a good while to do that many and i feel it will be a record thats difficult to break but i dont want to spend al freaking day doing them
Put another 20 pounds in the backpack.
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: flinstones1 on February 01, 2011, 05:54:32 AM
the key for me is not slacking on calories either, there is no growth without epic calories, nor is there epic energy CONSISTENT DAILY ENERGY. NOT STIMULATED IMMEDIATE ONE DAY ONLY ENERGY from COFFEE

johnny, muscle growth would  be just as efficient with a couple hundred extra calories no? 
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: dj181 on February 01, 2011, 06:55:33 AM
Fvck dat volume horseshit Falcon, it makes no goddamn sense to keep stimulating the same muscle fibers over and over. This volume training can help you to get leaner by burning calories, but it's not the most efficent means for building size and strength. Stick with not more than 2 working sets per exercise, son.
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Marty Champions on February 01, 2011, 07:08:18 AM
Fvck dat volume horseshit Falcon, it makes no goddamn sense to keep stimulating the same muscle fibers over and over. This volume training can help you to get leaner by burning calories, but it's not the most efficent means for building size and strength. Stick with not more than 2 working sets per exercise, son.

well today i did sets of one arm pushups with 10 reps per hand, thats a vast improvement but i think my technique is a little better as well

first set of lunges got 17 reps then 15 then 12


Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Marty Champions on February 01, 2011, 07:09:32 AM
johnny, muscle growth would  be just as efficient with a couple hundred extra calories no? 

seems right but the thing is we dont know for sure. but there is much more potential energy when injesting 1000 calories more  no? if eatin 1000 calories more your likely to do an extra 5 more sets no?
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 01, 2011, 07:10:27 AM
well today i did sets of one arm pushups with 10 reps per hand, thats a vast improvement but i think my technique is a little better as well

first set of lunges got 17 reps then 15 then 12



You got a hoe standing by counting the reps for you Johnny?
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Marty Champions on February 01, 2011, 07:10:55 AM
Put another 20 pounds in the backpack.

it would rip, i might have to link two back packs together or just get under the heavy barbell that il have to stack on a cynder block underneath the weight so i can get under it, and do pushups with the barbell on my back
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: The Showstoppa on February 01, 2011, 07:14:43 AM
it would rip, i might have to link two back packs together or just get under the heavy barbell that il have to stack on a cynder block underneath the weight so i can get under it, and do pushups with the barbell on my back

duct tape is awesome !!!
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: US MUSL on February 01, 2011, 07:19:27 AM
Falcon you talk alot about calories. What is your daily food intake (list)? To maintain ~275 lbs I would think it would be quite high.
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: dj181 on February 01, 2011, 07:24:16 AM
Remember Falcon, calories are not the only energy source availible. Caffine is a very good source of energy, and it's calorie free to boot ;D Remember man, if you consume too many calories then you will just get fatter.
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 01, 2011, 07:37:26 AM
it would rip, i might have to link two back packs together or just get under the heavy barbell that il have to stack on a cynder block underneath the weight so i can get under it, and do pushups with the barbell on my back
Great innovation on the cynder block John Grimek used to workout with those looked pretty decent back in the day.
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: wes on February 01, 2011, 07:42:35 AM
it would rip, i might have to link two back packs together or just get under the heavy barbell that il have to stack on a cynder block underneath the weight so i can get under it, and do pushups with the barbell on my back
Why not just join a fucking gym?  ???
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Marty Champions on February 01, 2011, 07:43:04 AM
Remember Falcon, calories are not the only energy source availible. Caffine is a very good source of energy, and it's calorie free to boot ;D Remember man, if you consume too many calories then you will just get fatter.

na ma man caffiene its a stimulant and can kill you, you dont know when your time will come when you get overly sensitive to it and you get dizzy spells and panic from it fuck that. it CONSTRICTS BLOOD FLOW anything that constricts like that is BAD NEWS MA MAN
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Marty Champions on February 01, 2011, 07:44:45 AM
Why not just join a fucking gym?  ???

maybe in the future but right now not conveinent enough. ill join a gym when i have remasterd my body and show everyone how its done on a massive scale of knowledge projection
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: dr.chimps on February 01, 2011, 07:46:16 AM
maybe in the future but right now not conveinent enough. ill join a gym when i have remasterd my body and show everyone how its done on a massive scale of knowledge projection
Yes!
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: wes on February 01, 2011, 07:53:05 AM
Yes!
::)




 



;D
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Marty Champions on February 01, 2011, 02:01:28 PM
Falcon you talk alot about calories. What is your daily food intake (list)? To maintain ~275 lbs I would think it would be quite high.

i dont think my calories are nothing super high or rediculuous

a typical day
64 ounces of juice bout 1000 calories of juice
120 ounces of water
some walnuts and raisons 300-400 calories
beans and rice 2-3 servings 250 calories per serving
peanutbutter sandwiches maybe 2 or 3 maybe 350-400 calories a sandwich
32 ounces of more juice 500 calories
more water

so maybe 3500 calories a day or 4000 calories

i should keep better track though those sandwiches add up, but that doesnt mean i will reduce calories. i eat food as needed or when hungry
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: US MUSL on February 01, 2011, 02:08:30 PM
I know what you are saying on those PB sandwiches!! I rediscovered natural peanut butter a few years ago, and can't get enough of it now.
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Marty Champions on February 01, 2011, 02:23:41 PM
I know what you are saying on those PB sandwiches!! I rediscovered natural peanut butter a few years ago, and can't get enough of it now.

yes i slop it on so much its running all over the sides n shit

Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Rami on February 01, 2011, 06:01:48 PM
After notoriously doing lunges for a period of time last year I suddenly realized I had accidentally built up paramount sprinting abilities.

It was such notable I almost didn't want tell anyone in case I was planing to break the 100m sprint record sometime in the future.
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 02, 2011, 04:56:33 AM
To all Falcon asscoiate scientists.  8)
Title: Best way to Drop IQ pts?
Post by: Devon97 on February 03, 2011, 05:56:29 AM
1) Smake what JohnnyFailcon smokes

or

2) Read JohnnyFailcons threads


Toss up....?
Title: Re: Best way to Drop IQ pts?
Post by: spinnis on February 03, 2011, 05:58:40 AM
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Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Marty Champions on February 03, 2011, 06:21:26 AM
After notoriously doing lunges for a period of time last year I suddenly realized I had accidentally built up paramount sprinting abilities.

It was such notable I almost didn't want tell anyone in case I was planing to break the 100m sprint record sometime in the future.

yes when i played basketball last year after doing lunges pre game i would easily dart past everyone, i really felt great remorse for those who didnt have this knowledge
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: CalvinH on February 03, 2011, 06:42:38 AM
duct tape is awesome !!!



I'm not sure some of the women in your life would agree....
Title: Re: Best way to Drop IQ pts?
Post by: CalvinH on February 03, 2011, 06:45:25 AM
Get Big.
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Marty Champions on February 03, 2011, 07:18:03 AM
today im doing step ups with weights they seem to be much easier to do and you can add a good amount of weight but dont have to balance yourself as much as when doing lunges on the floor. stepping up onto 1.5 feet or 2 feet high is perfect leg workout
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: The Showstoppa on February 03, 2011, 07:19:37 AM


I'm not sure some of the women in your life would agree....

 ;D  Rope, duct tape, cloth, ether......
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: dj181 on February 03, 2011, 08:36:38 AM
Step-ups ain't bad Falcon, but me thinks dat lunges is better, son 8)
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Rami on February 03, 2011, 11:33:02 AM
Step-ups ain't bad Falcon, but me thinks dat lunges is better, son 8)

variation is good though

I like to take, for example lunges, as far as I can, then as soon as there is a peak, it's time to set forth on a new project. your body feels what it is, and then you maximize that till you peak and so forth.
 

building experience because you really focus and explore everything to the full.


you can later come back to what you did again, and next time you peak you are often better even thought it's been a long time,


you can sort of feel what your body want to do.

Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: dj181 on February 03, 2011, 11:51:44 AM
That's quite similar to what Louie Simmions from Westside Barbell says about 3 week mini-cycles and using this method to break through training plateaus, interesting.
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Meso_z on February 03, 2011, 11:57:04 AM
since all the squats and behined the back barbell deadlifts(hack squats) have gotten me stronger but lower back doesnt feel comfortable hitting these lifts. but nothing else on me is sore

so right now im doing lunges with my 65 pound dumbells. not going down all the way to where knee is hitting the ground but close! i feel this greatly on quads and no stress on lower back!!! my lower back will take some time to heal so ill do plenty of these heavy lunges...i guess a reason why lower back is sore is because it was a weak point in all the exercises but thats no reason to quit lifting!
No, it means you should get hit by a truck
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Alex23 on February 03, 2011, 01:57:46 PM
You got a hoe standing by counting the reps for you Johnny?

Falcanomicon recommends one on each side
Title: Re: ok had a sore lower back for few days so that means lunges
Post by: Mr Nobody on February 03, 2011, 04:59:36 PM
Falcanomicon recommends one on each side

Exactly although finding hoes the same weight could be a task I'm sure he doesnt want one leg bigger than the other... 8)