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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Religious Debates & Threads => Topic started by: spinnis on February 03, 2011, 12:01:48 PM
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I know alot of you love your "god" so?
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I don't care if you are liberal or conservative. Bill O'Riely is a pompas ass. I hate his tone of voice.
However, it's pretty cool when he gets mad. ;D
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I don't care if you are liberal or conservative. Bill O'Riely is a pompas ass. I hate his tone of voice.
However, it's pretty cool when he gets mad. ;D
so most americans would think he comes across as a fucking Ass in the first vid or that hes right?
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haha, that settles it, hes like most americans ;D
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I know alot of you love your "god" so?
hahahahah it takes more faith to believe everything is the result of ' luck ' who said anything about luck? when you say God created everything you've explained absolutely NOTHING at all , where did the moon come from? where the fuck did God come from? we live in a universe where everything relies on creation except God ::)
fuck O'Reily , fucking douche
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so most americans would think he comes across as a fucking Ass in the first vid or that hes right?
LOL Little brother swede! I got to stop reading your posts before my IQ drops any lower!
O'Reilly has the highest rated cable news program now for the last .. of 6 years running---> in a country that voted a lazy socialist as president.
Yea ok Little Brother Swede we're all just here by mistake ::) ::) ::)
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O'Reilly has the highest rated cable news program now for the last .. of 6 years running---> in a country that voted a lazy socialist as president.
So hes popular , which means alot of people agrees? omg.
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hahahahah it takes more faith to believe everything is the result of ' luck ' who said anything about luck? when you say God created everything you've explained absolutely NOTHING at all , where did the moon come from? where the fuck did God come from? we live in a universe where everything relies on creation except God ::)
fuck O'Reily , fucking douche
LOL ok boss, we're all just here by coincidence ::) ::)
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So hes popular , which means alot of people agrees? omg.
He has the highest rated cable news program because he is fair and balanced.
Any human with an IQ over 50 realizes the EArth, universe , people etc etc diddn't just happen by "mistake"
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LOL ok boss, we're all just here by coincidence ::) ::)
No we're here to jump through hoops for ' God's ' entertainment until we go to another magical special place where everyone is happy and feels no pain and we meet up with dead relative ::) and he ' created ' an entire Universe just to watch us play his game to do so ::)
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He has the highest rated cable news program because he is fair and balanced.
Any human with an IQ over 50 realizes the EArth, universe , people etc etc diddn't just happen by "mistake"
LOL.
No ones saying it did? Earth is a product of evolution. Read Dawkins work. And with that evidence of animals evolving you think everything evolves execpt the begining of the begining of the planet? because god made that? lol.
Whatever happeened in the Begining we will find out eventually, if there even is a "begining" might just be a a fluke in our universe the whole begnining/ending
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He has the highest rated cable news program because he is fair and balanced.
Any human with an IQ over 50 realizes the EArth, universe , people etc etc diddn't just happen by "mistake"
Who are you quoting ' mistake ' ? who ever claimed we're here by mistake? or ' luck ' or ' accident ' ? who?
science doesn't tackle the topic of why just how , that's left for philosophers but we do know how things evolved the Universe and life and it's a much more satisfying answer than some ' God ' willing us into existence
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people need their god so they can stop worrying and just pretend instead lol.
...which is ok, just dont talk about the big questions and answer with that made up thing lol.
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Who are you quoting ' mistake ' ? who ever claimed we're here by mistake? or ' luck ' or ' accident ' ? who?
science doesn't tackle the topic of why just how , that's left for philosophers but we do know how things evolved the Universe and life and it's a much more satisfying answer than some ' God ' willing us into existence
For the record....I disagree with you.
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LOL Little brother swede! I got to stop reading your posts before my IQ drops any lower!
O'Reilly has the highest rated cable news program now for the last .. of 6 years running---> in a country that voted a lazy socialist as president.
Yea ok Little Brother Swede we're all just here by mistake ::) ::) ::)
Your either a mighty fine troll or a complete fucking idiot.
Obama is alright for very left of center, but he just picked the worst time in history to become pres, not to mention pres of a country that is fuck in terms of it`s social welfare.
I believe in god(well sorta), I`m fucking conservative as fuck, but I try to stay balanced.
But the US makes russia look bad in terms of fucked up news.They very deliberately dumb down public opinion.
The fact that any new agency would let a guy like him on the air says it all. There`s simply no journalistic ethics in the country fucking zero.
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hahahahah it takes more faith to believe everything is the result of ' luck ' who said anything about luck? when you say God created everything you've explained absolutely NOTHING at all , where did the moon come from? where the fuck did God come from? we live in a universe where everything relies on creation except God ::)
fuck O'Reily , fucking douche
The stupidity of religious people never ceases to amaze me.
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The stupidity of religious people never ceases to amaze me.
is your iq closer to the grey alien or jaguarenterprises?
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LOL ok boss, we're all just here by coincidence ::) ::)
Nah, a huge bearded floating head created us all. Have you even read any old testament, it reads like it was written by a five year old.
The three core religions existed for thousands of years. Paganism and the like existed for 100,000's of years. What's more pertinent.
What mysticism that does exist in this universe has zero to do with something as childish as christianity.
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I'm going to go meditate...that way I can access the Akashic Records and ask about God...or can one not "view" those records?
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I know alot of you love your "god" so?
O'reilly can't be serious. If so, he's needs to go back and finish elementary school.
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The stupidity of religious people never ceases to amaze me.
I think if you were half as smart as you imagine yourself, you wouldn't be amazed at all.
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First of all i think the number of ppl that watch cable new is less than 1% of th entire population of the US. So o'reilly being the number 1 rated cable TV show(which is true) doesnt mean the majority of ppl believe as he does...doesnt mean they dont either though...
any person claiming to know for a certainty about God is an idiot and that means you too swede and diety....
you are the same fools who back in time would have thought the earth was flat etc...b/c that was the prevelant belief of the day...
evolution doesnt disprove God...charles darwin...
In 1879 John Fordyce wrote asking if Darwin believed in God, and if theism and evolution were compatible. Darwin replied that a man "can be an ardent Theist and an evolutionist", citing Charles Kingsley and Asa Gray as examples, and for himself, "In my most extreme fluctuations I have never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God.— I think that generally (& more and more so as I grow older) but not always, that an agnostic would be the most correct description of my state of mind."[70]
if any of you morons claims to be more intelligent than him...go ahead and say so...if not STFU already!!!
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any person claiming to know for a certainty about God is an idiot and that means you too swede and diety....
Dont put words in my mouth f*ggot
When have I claimed I KNOW? I have Never ever done that. why? because NO ONE DOES. thats actually one of the points I have mentioned a bunch, of times.
With the evidence provided however of evolution and the not a single evidence ever on "god" im leaning towards MAN created god.
If "god" came down from "heaven" and talked to us yesterday, then for sure I might consides changing my opinion. Until then alot of religion is horrible. Especially for super weak minded poeple that take it too far.
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Dont put words in my mouth f*ggot
When have I claimed I KNOW? I have Never ever done that. why? because NO ONE DOES. thats actually one of the points I have mentioned a bunch, of times.
With the evidence provided however of evolution and the not a single evidence ever on "god" im leaning towards MAN created god.
If "god" came down from "heaven" and talked to us yesterday, then for sure I might consides changing my opinion. Until then alot of religion is horrible. Especially for super weak minded poeple that take it too far.
Do you know who charles darwin is son?
well if he can believe in a god or God then why even bring evolution in to the conversation?
EVOLUTION DOESNT DISPROVE GOD
AGAIN you guys are the same idiots who would think that the earth is flat back in the day b/c it was the prevelant thought of the time...
so youre saying you need incontrivertable proof that God exists for you to believe and youre calling other ppl weak minded?
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Do you know who charles darwin is son?
well if he can believe in a god or God then why even bring evolution in to the conversation?
EVOLUTION DOESNT DISPROVE GOD
AGAIN you guys are the same idiots who would think that the earth is flat back in the day b/c it was the prevelant thought of the time...
so youre saying you need incontrivertable proof that God exists for you to believe and youre calling other ppl weak minded?
I'd be happy to debate if you have time. Not to prove a point or for you to change your beliefs, but just to ask questions, raise questions, and understand what thoughts we hold
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I'd be happy to debate if you have time. Not to prove a point or for you to change your beliefs, but just to ask questions, raise questions, and understand what thoughts we hold
without a doubt my man, i like your attitude
always up for a good conversation
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without a doubt my man, i like your attitude
always up for a good conversation
I just reread your posts on this thread and I'm not 100% sure I understand your position
you claim it is wrong for anyone to be certain about whether God does or does not exist, and you also believe that evolution does not disprove God. Is this correct? Do you believe in God (God of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam)? I couldn't tell by your statements if you do. If so, is it by faith and not evidence?
To go back quickly to the claim you made that evolution does not disprove God. This is a common viewpoint for catholics. I agree that God could have started evolution and I think a strong case can be made for that. But how do you interpret Genesis now? Do you discount it because the writers could have not known about evolution, or do you interpret the story itself in a different way? If you discount the story entirely, do you feel it will soon be common to discount other parts of the Bible, and will this lead to a slippery slope for religion?
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I just reread your posts on this thread and I'm not 100% sure I understand your position
you claim it is wrong for anyone to be certain about whether God does or does not exist, and you also believe that evolution does not disprove God. Is this correct? Do you believe in God (God of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam)? I couldn't tell by your statements if you do. If so, is it by faith and not evidence?
To go back quickly to the claim you made that evolution does not disprove God. This is a common viewpoint for catholics. I agree that God could have started evolution and I think a strong case can be made for that. But how do you interpret Genesis now? Do you discount it because the writers could have not known about evolution, or do you interpret the story itself in a different way? If you discount the story entirely, do you feel it will soon be common to discount other parts of the Bible, and will this lead to a slippery slope for religion?
I do believe in God, Jesus Christ more specifically but the meaning of those posts where not in terms of a specific god. I was more arguing the idea that evolution does not disprove the idea of a god or higher being and in my mind that would be my personal savior.
Good question, I would say by both faith and evidence. Every form of belief takes some degree of evidence and some degree of faith even in science faith is used in theories. The difference is the varying degrees and what constitutes evidence to you. When the world was thought to be flat there was "science" that backed that up and the faith that if you sailed to far you would fall off the edge of the world. Religion too has evidence although some things may not be considered evidence by everyone and yes a good amount of faith is required as well.
The concept that evolution doesnt disprove god is quite popular in both secular and non secular arenas. If Charles Darwin the founder of natural selection and its processes can reconcile the ideas then I dont think it should be to hard of a jump for others.
I look at many of the stories in the bible as ways that those at the time viewed the events or were able to write about the events in a manner that was acceptable to their time. I do not necissarily take a literal view of the Bible thats not to say that I dont take anything literal in the Bible. It not nor should it be one way or the other if you ask me, think about playing a 2000 year long game of telephone...the exact wording you started with isnt necissarily going to be the exact wording you end up with. There are also translations between languages that need to be accounted for. My mother is japanese and even to this day when i hear or read something in japanese and ask what it means she sometimes says that there isnt really a word for that in english of that is doesnt translate well. Can you imagine the amount if translation problems between the many different languages and 2000 years of vernacular/slang?
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I would have quoted your post but the damn message box or whatever keeps scrolling when a message is long and you quote it and then type.
Since you mentioned Jesus, I think I'll take the conversation this direction. I think i'll leave the evolution stuff for now since we agree that religion can coexist with evolution. How do you believe a person becomes saved? I assume it's the traditional "Trust on the lord Jesus Christ and tho shalt be saved". Let's examine that if you don't mind. Of course I'm willing to start a new thread if you want.
Let's say there is a person here named Bob. How does Bob get to heaven? Is it Be convinced that Jesus came and died for his sins and that he'll spend eternity in heaven with Jesus and fellow believers if he trusts on Jesus as his savior? What if Bob lived before Jesus? What if Bob lived after Jesus but never heard of Jesus. What if Bob died while Jesus was alive. What if Bob is mentally handicapped. What if Bob is a child.
Let's say Bob is 3 years old right now (below the age of accountability if you believe in that). I keep Bob locked in a room for 12 years and bring him food and water every day. When Bob turns 15, I kill Bob. Bob was above the age of accountability (I think we can agree on that, again assuming that you follow the traditional route), and he did not believe on Jesus Christ as his savior, so he died in his sins. Does Bob go to hell? I, on the other hand, could have been saved the whole time when i killed Bob (but not a good christian). So does Bob go to hell while I go to heaven?
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I would have quoted your post but the damn message box or whatever keeps scrolling when a message is long and you quote it and then type.
Since you mentioned Jesus, I think I'll take the conversation this direction. I think i'll leave the evolution stuff for now since we agree that religion can coexist with evolution. How do you believe a person becomes saved? I assume it's the traditional "Trust on the lord Jesus Christ and tho shalt be saved". Let's examine that if you don't mind. Of course I'm willing to start a new thread if you want.
Let's say there is a person here named Bob. How does Bob get to heaven? Is it Be convinced that Jesus came and died for his sins and that he'll spend eternity in heaven with Jesus and fellow believers if he trusts on Jesus as his savior? What if Bob lived before Jesus? What if Bob lived after Jesus but never heard of Jesus. What if Bob died while Jesus was alive. What if Bob is mentally handicapped. What if Bob is a child.
Let's say Bob is 3 years old right now (below the age of accountability if you believe in that). I keep Bob locked in a room for 12 years and bring him food and water every day. When Bob turns 15, I kill Bob. Bob was above the age of accountability (I think we can agree on that, again assuming that you follow the traditional route), and he did not believe on Jesus Christ as his savior, so he died in his sins. Does Bob go to hell? I, on the other hand, could have been saved the whole time when i killed Bob (but not a good christian). So does Bob go to hell while I go to heaven?
LOL i think you may be the only other person on getbig that has that problem...every other person i tell that to has no idea what im talking about. Thats ok as long as swede and BB dont mind us jacking this thread its fine with me.
All good questions and all questions ive asked myself at some point in my life and my path with God. The short answer is I dont know and I dont know how anybody can presume to say they do for a certainty to be honest. There are ideas that lead me to believe that a good and benevolent God would take their circumstances into consideration. I also believe that simply knowing of God and believing in him doesnt grant you access to Heaven. Simply believing in God and asking forgiveness with your tongue is not the same as repenting from your sins.
other good question is that if man is made in Gods image and is capable of evil, does that mean God is capable of evil?
or if God is really all good and all powerful would he create a being that is capable of evil?
iono man, I think you live your life the best you can with the information you have available and thats really all you can do.
question for you, you dont quite seem like an atheist...perhaps an agnostic...if so what is keeping you from commiting to one religion?
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The evil question is a very tricky one and I've thought about it a lot
God had to knowingly create evil with the capability to not create evil and he also gave us the power to understand what he created as "evil". If this leads some men away from God (i.e. "How can an all good God create evil when God knew what would happen, could have prevented it from happening, and not wanted it to happen? (omnipredicates)) then why did he do it if he intends on us not to be lead away from him (using "him" as a general, not as a male).
Your sentence that says "I think you live your life the best you can with the information you have available and that's really all you can do". So do you believe other religions will be in heaven too? By the way, your belief there is basically what Thomas Jefferson believe. He believed it was the (if i can remember correctly), the search for truth and not where that search might lead you that was important. Instead of happening to put ones money on the right bet, it was the journey of searching and understanding that's important.
And in response to your question to me. I am not an atheist, it's impossible to prove that God (or Gods) does not exist. As for what religion I commit to. It's very confusing. The mere fact of committing to one religion entails that I'm claiming knowledge which is impossible for me to have. The truth is, any religion is most likely filled with a ton of inaccuracies (of course that brings up the question: Why would God allow inaccuracies on something so crucial as this). I'll just say that it's very confusing and I've spent a lot of time thinking about it and learning as much as I can.